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October 20, 2008 9:00 PM PDT

Microsoft celebrates antipiracy day

by Ina Fried
Microsoft antipiracy map

Microsoft is touting its actions in 49 countries its Global Anti-Piracy Day. (Click on the map to go to a Microsoft site for the interactive aspects of the map.)

(Credit: Microsoft)

Microsoft plans on Tuesday to announce "Global Anti-Piracy Day," an effort to gain attention for the steps the company undertakes in order to thwart those who would profit from illegitimate software.

As part of the event, Microsoft is highlighting recent antipiracy efforts in 49 countries, ranging from the filing of lawsuits in the U.S. to a seminar for journalists in Pakistan.

It's the kind of thing that Microsoft does all the time, although the company is aiming for some added ink by grouping together so many actions at once.

"One of the things we want to illustrate with this announcement is the diverse nature of the work," associate general counsel David Finn said in an interview from Singapore.

The third pillar of Microsoft's efforts is its engineering work, adding programs like Windows Genuine Advantage that are designed to make it harder--and less rewarding--to copy Microsoft's products.

Whether it's a testament to tougher engineering or the lukewarm response to Vista, or some combination, Windows XP continues to be copied far more than its successor.

"We continue to see much more counterfeit Windows XP," said Finn, who actually says the company is predicting a rise in XP pirating as the last legitimate copies of the OS wind their way off retail shelves.

Overall, Finn said Microsoft and the software industry are making progress in some areas. He noted that the piracy rate in Western Europe has dropped to about 34 percent from the 78 percent level in 1991.

At the same time, however, rates still top 90 percent in some emerging markets. And even in the U.S., where rates are a relatively low 20 percent, that still means 1 in 5 software installations are illegitimate.

"It thwarts innovation," he said.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by Mr. Dee October 20, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
Will Kool and the Gangs Celebration be played at these events?

'There's a party going right here'
'A celebration to lock u up in jail'
'So bring bring that copied Vista and that Office too'
'We're gonna lock u up in jail and have a party 'bout u'
Celebrate good times come on!
Lets celebrate!
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by Lerianis October 21, 2008 12:00 AM PDT
The only 'impact' from piracy is that people who cannot afford the outrageous prices for Microsoft/Apple/etc.'s software products can now get them at a reasonable cost and reasonable safety level. That's it as to the impact of piracy.

Microsoft and the others can keep blathering all they want: the fact is that the only people who are actually making them lose money are the commercial counterfeiters, most of whom are supported tacitly by Russia, China, etc. (the countries that are supposed to be 'best trade partners' with the US).
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by iConquered October 21, 2008 7:17 AM PDT
Microsoft and Apple are at liberty to charge whatever prices they wish. That is the nature of capitalism. When it comes to price gouging on necessary items, there are government regulations on that (within reason). But when it comes to a proprietary luxury item (and computers are still technically a luxury item), then there is no "outrageous" price. There is merely the price you are unwilling to pay for a given item or service, or there is the price you can not afford. Either way, the prices they charge, are no reason to advocate piracy.

I would dare say that the person hurt most by piracy, is the consumer. Companies and artists are so leery of piracy, that they have developed preposterous means of detouring piracy (Spore and EA's Securom DRM come to mind). Look at the music industry that still regards iTunes as an enemy, not just because of its command of the music market, but because it still represents a business model that they view as being centered around the structure of piracy. The problems for consumers are never ending, in regards to piracy.
by cemmer October 21, 2008 1:22 AM PDT
Yep, Microsoft sure knows how to energize its customer base. It's like China having a celebration of their one-child policy after an earthquake...
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by Wookiee-1138 October 21, 2008 2:40 AM PDT
Where's Stallman and his katana when you need them?
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by aMUSICsite October 21, 2008 5:20 AM PDT
Make sure you are paying the MS tax...
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by inachu October 21, 2008 5:23 AM PDT
There should be a distinction between outright piracy VS innocent piracy even though they are one and the same they should be treated differently. Example. Bob who makes XP boot cd's available to bit torrent sites VS Lisa who lost her CD key for XP and refuses to pay $10 to get a new key. It used to be a free service to call and confirm you are a legit owner but Microsoft keeps nickel and diming us.
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by Kwasiowusu October 21, 2008 5:59 AM PDT
Microsoft can thank piracy for Windows dominance in huge, fast growing PC markets like China.
As the Chinese get richer, piracy will go down.
Meanwhile, Microsoft could do a lot more tp push their lower cost versions of Windows like the Windows XP Starter Edition, a slimmed-down, lower-cost, entry-level version of Windows in poorer countries like Thailand, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia and even Mexico and China.
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by iConquered October 21, 2008 7:20 AM PDT
I feel a better alternative, would be to develop a balanced and complete OS package. That is one thing I enjoy about OSX. It comes loaded with more useful (at least artistically/socially speaking) software, and all of the functions, right out of the box. There is no bloated or slimmed down version to be gouged or left out on. The whole "Vista Basic, Vista Home, Vista Ultimate" notion is really ridiculous. Why sell incomplete versions of your OS, just so you can gouge people who innocently purchase the lower priced version, expecting minimal difference?
by compudoc318 October 21, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
i liked the comment below from i conquered, but this one, not sure, didnt people say windows vista was bloated, i liked all the extras and got ultimate, yet on my business laptop, i have the business edition, didnt need all the extra stuff, ill admit, vista is bloated to some, but the diff versions offer a choice. and i wouldnt necessarily call someone who doesnt research an os purchase innocent.
by djcrazy-mpls October 22, 2008 4:53 AM PDT
"Microsoft can thank piracy for Windows dominance in huge, fast growing PC markets like China.
As the Chinese get richer, piracy will go down." LOL.As the Chinese get richer,along with greedy US corporations,piracy may go down in china but will rise here in the USA as people lose thier jobs,the middle class disappears,and wall street and government steal the rest.Main Street will be broke and have to pirate because no one has money to pay M$ thier outrageous license fees.
by Penguinisto October 21, 2008 6:52 AM PDT
Kwasi is correct in that MSFT is an empire built on piracy.

Ironic (but understandable) that MSFT is no longer interested in simply turning a blind eye to it anymore.

OTOH, and unlike 1995, there's actual competition out there that MSFT cannot control. Hope they realize that...
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by inachu October 21, 2008 7:57 AM PDT
I know so many people from India and china who have learned any and all of microsoft technologies using pirated software so they can earn their coveted Microsoft certifications. I bet more than half of all hires in the IT world have used pirate software to gain a leg up against the competition while the regular joe like us spend thousands of dollars for legit traning.

USA is offshoring for pirates.
by compudoc318 October 21, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
what competion??? lemme guess, from pen........osx i presume.....lol. i wouldnt call anyone a competitor til they have at least a 30% market share...
by Penguinisto October 23, 2008 6:51 AM PDT
Linux has (combined) well over 30% marketshare in the server room. Apples have something around 30% marketshare among laptops, and is at 10% and doubling every year w/ it's growth rate among PC's overall.

So I guess by your measurements, a sluggish corp growing at only 10-14% YoY is without competition just because Apple is growing at 30-40% YoY

You're going to be rather embarrassed come 5 years hence... ;)
by zanzzz October 21, 2008 7:05 AM PDT
Based on the underwhelming performance of Vista perhaps they have a valid point about piracy that "It thwarts innovation".
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by The_Decider October 24, 2008 5:04 PM PDT
Vista was born out of a primordial cesspool of incompetence and hubris.
by iConquered October 21, 2008 7:39 AM PDT
I do not believe that piracy thwarts innovation. In fact various entertainment and software industries have come up with innovative means of screwing over consumers, over the past couple of years. There was the Sony rootkit on their Audio CD's, that installed malware on the PC's of legitimate consumers. Then there is EA's Securom DRM, that installs itself to ring zero of your OS kernel, and allows itself total access to your machines operations.

I mean, those are some of the most innovative methods of driving legitimate customers away, that I have ever seen. Lets not forget the aggravation of dealing with Driver Signing, constantly checking for "secure" and "valid" drivers for all of your programs. Who would of thought that Microsoft could have developed a program that supposedly keeps consumers safe from malicious drivers, while simultaneously refusing to run unsigned drivers, which may be for legitimate use? I've seen nothing but creativity come from major industry players, all thanks to piracy.
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by anthony f wood October 22, 2008 5:03 AM PDT
The IT industry owes it's entire existence to literally thousands of hackers who microsoft dub as "pirates". These same types of smart, resilient AND persistent people are still around.
They can be found quietly working at all aspects of IT business, software, social & hardware. Some in bureaucracy, some underground (probably more fun), but microsoft and others will always find that there will be someone who"ll bloody their noses if at all possible. IT"S JUST ONE OF THE MORE FUN PARTS OF BEING HUMAN!!
by ppgreat October 21, 2008 7:44 AM PDT
It thwarts innovation???? I'd love a better explanation of how piracy of Windows XP is thwarting innovation, please. They lose money, therefore they can't pay developers?

MS started throwing this word around after Jobs made a huge point of using it in keynote. And still there is no evidence of it coming out of Redmond.
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by sanenazok October 21, 2008 7:53 AM PDT
This ain't hard. MSFT gets money from licensed software...and nothing else (unlike Apple which gets its money from selling hardware). Pirated software means no income for MSFT.
by The_Decider October 24, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
And how many of those people using a pirated copy would have ponied up for it at a store?

5%?

1% is more likely. MS isn't losing anything but gaining another generation of ill-informed MS zombies.
by DigitalFrog October 21, 2008 7:49 AM PDT
What about "Talk like a software pirate day"?? DarrrrrrrrrrrrrrM!
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by sanenazok October 21, 2008 7:51 AM PDT
I'm celebrating anti-piracy day by downloading Open Office!
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by yelocab October 21, 2008 8:57 AM PDT
Yes, software piracy is wrong, but is it just me or is it hard to feel sorry about piracy from a company's whose founder is the world's richest man and which spent $500 MILLION to market Vista?
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by monkeyfun14 October 21, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
He's also the worlds most generous donator.

Apple has spend billions spreading lies.

And when has a dime left jobs pocket for charity?
by Penguinisto October 23, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
@Monkey: Forcing poor countries to buy Windows licenses in exchange for charity money is not "generous" by any stretch.
by The_Decider October 24, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
Gate's isn't generous. He does it out of a need for personal and corporate gain. Not altruism.
by aojunk October 21, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
People who are pirates DO NOT want vista!
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by Zayras October 21, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
Ahaha, honestly Microsoft is already rich as f***!

I can't believe they're actually complaining about piracy, but really with other big companies *cough* Ubisoft *cough* also complaining it was only expected.

Also by actually buying their products we'd actually be supporting our local community?? (France guy) ...I don't see the trail there.

One last thing: maybe if their products weren't so expensive people would actually buy them instead of having to pirate them.
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by Forked_Tongue October 21, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
If these companies want to really reduce piracy then they need to lower the price of many of their product or offer real support for it at the exorbitant prices they charge. I find it ridiculous that person that buy windows would have the same level of support as someone who downloads linux for free unless they pay money for it. When music CDs charge double-digits for maybe three good songs on them, when purchased DVDs force you to watch anti-piracy warnings and in some cases ads before viewing the actual content you purchased (Why can't I just watch the damn movie directly?), and some purchased software won't let you transfer it to another computer because you recently upgraded the hard drive, warranty exchanged, or replaced it with a newer model then what does this state about the business and consumer relationship? Like most one way relationships, the neglected party will feel the need to "cheat", in this case it's usually hard for a company to get public sympathy when it's viewed as the dominate, uncaring, selfish, and self-absorbed spouse in a made for TV drama.
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by compudoc318 October 21, 2008 12:46 PM PDT
people steal cars, should we lower the price of those too, its illegal no matter how you look at it, and its america, you dont like the price of something, dont buy it
by monkeyfun14 October 21, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
Lol Windows offers more support then linux ever will.

And its really not that expensive you can get a Ultimate OEM for what 100$?

No one complains when Adobe charges 700$ for Photoshop CS4 and thats only a image editor
by Penguinisto October 23, 2008 6:56 AM PDT
@compudoc: copying an item is not the same as taking a physical item. Learn the difference.

@Monkey: Windows only offers real support for a price (and it ain't cheap). The OEM do offer support for free, but it is limited and doesn't get you hot fixes. Also, no one complains about the price of Photoshop CS because they can get lighter editions of it for less, use the GIMP or PaintShopPro, or simply download P-Shop CS from the nearest torrent site.
by The_Decider October 24, 2008 5:10 PM PDT
Stealing a car is not the same thing as "stealing" a digital file. In the former, something is lost. Nothing is lost in the latter case.

Windows can't come close to the support and feature set of Linux which costs 100% less than Windows.
by iConquered October 21, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
What is being missed here is that the consumer has the ultimate choice. The choice to not spend their money with a corporation (though that is rather tricky with the multitude of subsidiaries and expansions into other markets). I am appalled to see people advocating piracy because the prices are too high. It is absolutely poor logic. If a person can't afford a $250,000 Ferrari Enzo, does that then mean that people have the right to steal a Ferrari, because Ferrari charges too much for their vehicles?

If you can't afford a PlayStation 3, does that mean you just start stealing them? What is even more ludicrous is that you all seem to think that the company is at fault. They can't be blamed for your choice to steal. Could you imagine telling that to a police officer? "I wouldn't have stolen those Ray Ban's if they didn't cost so much. It's totally Ray Ban's fault for making such expensive glasses."

Computer technology and the related software is not a right. To bear arms, say what you want (within in reason) and pursue religious and financial goals to any extent (within reason) are rights. Owning a copy of Windows is not a right. You are not entitled to it. You are owed exactly jack-squat. I can't even begin to fathom where you have all derived this bloated sense of self-importance from. Microsoft doesn't have to cater to you just because you can't afford their price. It's tough cookies. Either save up, or pass on the product. But do not justify theft with erroneous logic.
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by compudoc318 October 21, 2008 12:51 PM PDT
nice comment, i totally agree, you dont like the price, dont buy it.
by iConquered October 21, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
Exactly. It is that simple. There are a lot of things I'd like to have, that I just can't afford. So I just don't own them. If you have your needs taken for, then it is already a blessing to have the extra things in life. For instance, I have my Mac Book and I have my Ibanez guitar. I would not advocate or justify the theft of things I do not have, merely because their prices are beyond my means. Some how, people think they have a right to a lower price, if they can't afford something they want. People really need to reassess their wants versus their needs.
by djcrazy-mpls October 22, 2008 5:06 AM PDT
"Owning a copy of Windows is not a right. You are not entitled to it" --- This seems to be true even if you paid for it.You never own it.Individual consumers who have paid for the product should be able to install on any and all of the computers they own. Thier overly restrictive EULA is a joke.
by iConquered October 22, 2008 7:30 AM PDT
That is one of the more ambiguous areas that remain difficult to properly take to task. I agree that the restrictions on Windows XP installations is grossly limiting. However, if they took the Ubuntu path, in which one disc could be used to setup a plethora of machines, they would in effect have no means of controlling the idea of "the number of computers you own." That would either become a nasty process of verification on the part of the consumer (most likely involving cal-ins and a bevy of receipts), or it would require something far worse that I lack the eloquence and measure to describe.

While the "one Windows to one PC" system is schematic, it is also their most logical and tolerable action, in regards to anti-piracy. The sanguine thing about it all, is that most humans are too disgusting to be honest. Sure there are the legitimate few who may have multiple computers, and would therefore like to avoid paying $250 per machine they own. After all, they are the same user, so they should be able to effectively use their purchase in a fashion that suits there needs. But there are far more individuals who would buy one copy and then install it on the PC of every friend they have.

The best possible solution would be similar to the iTunes model, in which there is a set number of approvable PCs. It may result in telling friends your user name and password, so that they can access the software, but it would at least limit the ability to indefinitely provide it to an unlimited number of users. It would also help out legitimate users who in fact do own more than one PC. The relationship between companies and consumers has become expeditiously strained, due to the advent of high speed information sharing.
by The_Decider October 24, 2008 5:11 PM PDT
You can not complain about poor logic and then use poor logic.

"If a person can't afford a $250,000 Ferrari Enzo, does that then mean that people have the right to steal a Ferrari, because Ferrari charges too much for their vehicles?"

Do you understand that if a digital copy is downloaded, then it still exists on the server?

It is not even close to the same thing as stealing something physical.
by monkeyfun14 November 10, 2008 5:44 PM PST
@djcrazy why doesn't anyone complain about the one for mac osx?
by October 21, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
I believe that zanzzz was making a Vista joke :-)

It's very true that the ease of pirating MS products is largely responsible for their adoption. Microsoft knows this (while completely not willing to acknowledge it) which is one of the reasons that they actually removed anti-piracy protection(s) from Vista with the release of SP1.

And yet, despite how much easier it is to pirate Vista (now) and get away with it, people would still rather have XP! I'd say that's pretty telling of the level of "enjoyment" that people are getting out of Vista ;-)
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by jtjt145 October 21, 2008 2:14 PM PDT
Any news from or about Micro$oft is bad news these days. Time for those twits to get off stage!
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