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October 13, 2008 5:20 PM PDT

Microsoft makes Windows 7 name final

by Ina Fried

For the first time in recent memory, Microsoft has chosen to stick with its code name for a final Windows release.

In a blog posting, general manager Mike Nash said that the next version of Windows will retain its Windows 7 code-name when it is released to the market--a date currently pegged as late 2009 or early 2010.

"Simply put, this is the seventh release of Windows, so therefore "Windows 7" just makes sense," Nash wrote.

Microsoft plans to give developers at the Professional Developer Conference later this month a pre-beta version of the software.

"For me, one of the most exciting times in the release of a new product is right before we show it to the world for the first time," Nash wrote. "In a few weeks we are going to be talking about the details of this release at the PDC and at WinHEC. We will be sharing a pre-beta 'developer only release' with attendees of both shows and giving them the first broad in-depth look at what we've been up to."

Nash said the decision to stick with the Windows 7 name is "about simplicity."

"Over the years, we have taken different approaches to naming Windows," Nash wrote. "We've used version numbers like Windows 3.11, or dates like Windows 98, or 'aspirational' monikers like Windows XP or Windows Vista. And since we do not ship new versions of Windows every year, using a date did not make sense. Likewise, coming up with an all-new 'aspirational' name does not do justice to what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows."

Microsoft has said precious little about what's actually in Windows 7. In a May interview, engineering chief Steven Sinofsky said it would use the same driver structure and underpinnings as Vista. The software maker has also talked about its multitouch capability.

Click here for more news on Windows 7.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.

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by hunter_jc October 13, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
seems like microsoft is finally doing a right thing this time.
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by Seanathome October 13, 2008 5:50 PM PDT
They're really trying to pull back the Mac-switchers, huh.
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by rccoffee October 14, 2008 12:22 AM PDT
Never! Win 3.1, 95, 98, XP, Jaguar now Leopard. Wow. I now enjoy using my computer instead of maintaining it. But, thanks anyway.

P.S. You should see Win XP on an i-Mac. It just flies. I use it for my genealogy program. LOL
by adversegecko October 13, 2008 6:05 PM PDT
im just waiting for win-x

they really could have gone with a less transparent strategy.

I suppose it saves money but why not just call it Windows 2009?
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by Michael too October 14, 2008 6:43 AM PDT
Because then it locks them in to a timeline (delivery in 2009).
by 1cg October 13, 2008 6:06 PM PDT
1. Windows 3
2. win95
3. win98
4. Millenium
5. 2000
6. XP
7. Vista . . . .
Yep figures someone at Microsoft cant count.
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by yayfrogs October 13, 2008 6:22 PM PDT
Don't forget NT in there. Unless business-focused releases don't count, in which case NT shouldn't be on the list.

But wait, didn't XP and 2000 use NT under the hood? And what about Windows 2 and 1? Let's try again:

1) 1; 2) 2; 3) 3; 4) NT; 5) 95; 6) 98; 7) Me; 8) 2000; 9) XP; 10) Vista

So I guess that would make this new one Windows 11, unless 98SE is considered its own release, in which case we're at Windows 12.

Maybe if they use Roman numerals it'll make more sense.
by Someone-else October 13, 2008 6:24 PM PDT
maybe they counted ME and 2000 as the same version.
so XP would be 5,
ME2, I mean, Vista, would be 6
and 7 would be 7
by SnowCrash8 October 13, 2008 6:52 PM PDT
2.5 -- Windows NT
by jeffbe232 October 13, 2008 7:07 PM PDT
Lest we forget windows 3.1 and 3.11, and should we be counting 98SE?
by Scooby_RT_dot_NET October 13, 2008 8:39 PM PDT
This isn't the 7th version of 'Windows' this is the 7th version of the 'NT' side of Windows.

http://www.oraxcel.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1194096605
NT 3.1 - Windows NT 3.1
NT 3.5 - Windows NT 3.5
NT 3.51 - Windows NT 3.51
NT 4.0 - Windows NT 4.0
NT 5.0 - Windows 2000
NT 5.1 - Windows XP, Windows Fundamentals for legacy PCs
NT 5.2 - Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, Windows Home Server
NT 6.0 - Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008
NT 7.0 - Windows 7 (codenamed Blackcomb, Vienna. Release date 2010?)

and the poster is correct on this one.
by gochichi October 14, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
Very interesting point you make... moreover, isn't Windows 3 the third version?

I think that just like, Windows 3, had many versions: there was Windows 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, 3.whatver Network edition... you know what I mean?
So I think they're talking about fundamental changes in the release, the underpinnings.

I think we could go as follows:
Windows 3.0, 3.11, etc. (third version)
Windows 95, 98, Millenium (forth version)
Windows 2000, XP (Fifth version)
Windows Vista (Sixth Version).
Windows 7 (Seventh Version)

I don't agree with blanket Microsoft bashing, it's a good (if not great even) company.
by AlvinTheNerd October 14, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
Windows ME, whats ME? You must have had a horrible dream about an pushing dos farther than it ever should have been pushed. We at Microsoft have long ago repressed any memory of the nightware of Windows ME
by skeeech October 14, 2008 4:57 PM PDT
There was also a Windows 1.x and 2.x ...
by killerb255 October 22, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
People, PEOPLE!

Don't forget the consumer AND business OSes before XP!!!!

NOTE: (C) = consumer line (B) = business line (CBW) = merged workstation line (CBS) = merged server line. If I don't have a notation, I don't know which line it came from. :)

1. Windows 1.0

2. Windows 2.0

3. Windows 2.1

4. Windows 3.0

5. (C) Windows 3.1

6. (C) Windows for Workgroups 3.11

7. (B) Windows NT 3.1

8. (C) Windows 95 Version a (OSR1)

9. (C) Windows 95 Version b (OSR2)

10. (C) Windows 95 Version b USB (OSR2.1)

11. (C) Windows 95 Version c (OSR2.5)

12. (B) Windows NT 3.5 (Workstation, Server)

13. (B) Windows NT 3.51 (Workstation, Server)

14. (B) Windows NT 4.0 (Workstation, Server) (BackOffice Small Business Server 4.5) (Service Packs 1-6 and 6a)

15. (C) Windows 98

16. (C) Windows 98 Second Edition

17. (B) Windows 2000 (Professional, Server, Advanced Server, Datacenter Server) (Small Business Server 2000) (Service Packs 1-4) [also known as NT 5.0]

18. (C) Windows Millennium Edition

19. (CBW) Windows XP (Starter, Home, Professional (including Tablet PC and the various Media Center Editions)) (Service Pack 1-3) [also known as NT 5.1]

20. (CBS) Windows Server 2003 (Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter (includes R2) (includes both 32 and 64-bit versions) (includes Windows XP 64-bit Edition*) (Small Business Server 2003 Standard and Premium) (Windows Home Server) (Service Packs 1-2) [also known as NT 5.2]

21. (CBW) Windows Vista (Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, Ultimate (including 'N' versions)) (Service Pack 1) [also known as NT 6.0, Build 6000 is no Service Pack, Build 6001 is SP1]

22. (CBS) Windows Server 2008 (Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter) (Small Business Server 2008 Standard, Premium) (Essential Business Server 2008 Standard, Premium) (starts at Service Pack 1 level already) [like Vista SP1, it's NT 6.0, Build 6001]

23. (CBW) Windows 7 (versions unknown at this point) [NT 6.1 or 7.0?]

Either way, if you count ONLY the consumer line or ONLY the business line, it still doesn't add up.

The NT version number would add up only if Windows 7 is NT 7.0 and not NT 6.1 or anything of that sort.
by michael775 November 4, 2009 11:24 AM PST
Windows 1.0
windows 2.0
windows 3.0
Windows 3.1
Windows 3.11 with work grupes
Windows 95
windows 95 OSR 2
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 98
Windows 98SE
Windows 2000 Pro
Windows xp
Windows sever 2003
Windows vista
windows server 2008
Windows 7
I am shour i left somthing out LOL WINDOWS 7 IS a JOKE
IT NEED A NEW NAME LOL
by SuFantasma October 13, 2008 6:14 PM PDT
Windows 00000111 Hmmm... lower order bits high ;-)
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by SuFantasma October 13, 2008 6:15 PM PDT
Or that could also be "Window 7 years of bad luck"
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by boran2 October 13, 2008 6:16 PM PDT
They have yet to work out all the bugs with the heavily flawed Windows Vista and yet here they are a year or so from the next POS O/S. More Microshaft.
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by The User October 14, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
Can you name a few flaws in Windows Vista?
by gmcbay October 13, 2008 6:22 PM PDT
Win3.1/95/98/ME aren't even counted in the current Windows version scheme because it originates from the NT kernel line which was a wholly separate fork from the old 9x line.

The way the version scheme works is this:

NT 3.x
NT 4.0
Windows 2000 (Windows 5)
Windows XP (Windows 5.1)
Windows Vista (Windows 6.0)
Windows 7

You can argue this doesn't make sense from a consumer branding standpoint, but Microsoft has been consistent with this Windows version scheme for years and years so it isn't like they just invented the Windows 7 moniker out of thin air.
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by Imalittleteapot October 13, 2008 6:46 PM PDT
Yeah but the Vista kernel is different enough from NT that they may as well call it Windows 2. Still doesn't make any sense. Doesn't really have to though.
by jeffbe232 October 13, 2008 7:09 PM PDT
and what about ME, I know it shouldn't count but...
by Imalittleteapot October 13, 2008 8:45 PM PDT
Then again Windows XP is different enough from 2000 that it could just as well be Windows 6 instead of 5.1. I think XP is a little more change than just .1.

Where's NT 1.0? And XP should be 6 in my opinion. At least XP SP2 should be. Then Vista would be 7 and 7 8 and If there had been an NT 1 and 2 then 7 would be 10. That's not even counting 95, 98, 98SE, and ME. It's pretty obvious they only count when they want. It's not even the seventh version of the kernel that will run it. There is nothing about it that has anything to do with the number 7. It's just a made up number. Kind of like the 7 hundreded dollar bailout figure.
by Imalittleteapot October 13, 2008 9:12 PM PDT
Add the word billion somewhere in there too!
by timber2005 October 13, 2008 9:26 PM PDT
Can't go by kernal versions. Windows 7 kernal is 6.1.
by mooreoftom October 14, 2008 7:41 AM PDT
This is how I've always thought of the versions being:

1) 3.11
2) 95
3) 98, 98SE, ME
4) 2000
5) XP
6) Vista
7) 7
by Someone-else October 13, 2008 6:25 PM PDT
I really hope this one is good, or else I'll dual-boot with some kind of Linux.
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by MaLvaDo39 October 13, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
Why wait and hope something from this company that has consistently let you down?

Get the Mac and dual boot OS X and Linux on it already!
by slickuser October 13, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
Vista Service Pack #2 is renamed to Windows 7.

Nothing more than that folks!
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by karpenterskids October 13, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
Ooo...Microsoft 7.

Wanna bet the version AFTER that won't be Windows 8?
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by jaypres October 13, 2008 6:30 PM PDT
Windows 7 refers to the NT line, not the DOS line which ended with ME.
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by Imalittleteapot October 13, 2008 9:00 PM PDT
So, Windows 1, 2, NT 3, NT 4, 2000 (5), XP (6), Vista (7), Windows 7 (8?). Nope, that doesn't make any sense. Ah NT started at 3, that's right! You can't count anything that's not NT right? Sooooo,

Windows NT 3 (1), NT 4 (2), 2000 (3), XP (4), Vista (5), Windows 7 (6?) Nope that's not right either. I guess we are counting some non-NT versions.

Windows 1, Windows 2, NT 3 (3! Wait what happened to 1?), NT 4 (4), 2000 (5), XP (6), Vista (7), Windows 7 (8?) No No NO! that's still not right! One more time!

Windows 1 (but it's not NT!), Windows 2, NT 3 (Now it's NT) NT 4 (4), 2000 (5), XP (5.1? Just a point. That's all XP gets? Just a lousy friggin point?), Vista (6), Windows 7 (7). Oh now it makes sense. Wait, no it doesn't. Windows version numbers still don't make any sense.
by Laserdisc October 13, 2008 6:41 PM PDT
Go Ray OZZIE!!!
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by theantibush October 13, 2008 6:49 PM PDT
Finally.

Its like when you save Google advanced search to a favorite.
What you get? ?Google Advanced Search?, not :

?Google Advanced Search For Fast, Efficient Internet Searching and Information Locating with New and Improved Search Algorithms to Speed you on Your Way and Search Options for Full Text Searching in Multitudes of Languages?.

Sometimes less is a helleva lot more than more, and sometimes ?nuff said is ?nuff said.

Now...did u roll some heads for that Vista blunder?

BTW...kudos for axing Seinfeld.
Better to get a clue late than never.

Need I say, ?work on that ?late? part??
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by delf76 October 13, 2008 7:05 PM PDT
This actually makes some sense. Windows Mobile 7 and Windows 7 will be out roughly around the same time... so, this is a good thing.
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by October 13, 2008 7:21 PM PDT
aw come on guys...it's all about this: people have such a negative overall opinion of Vista that going with the number allows them to drop that (disassociation)...would anyone buy 'Vista 2' or whatever? Although the other question is why didn't they just chooose (yet another) name for the new version.
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by rccoffee October 14, 2008 12:26 AM PDT
Personally, I think Win Futura would be better than Win 7. After all, the vista isn't good in Vista and the future is not good with Futura unless MS really gets cracking and comes up with something besides the worst in each type of software.
by Imalittleteapot October 14, 2008 4:36 AM PDT
I think I'd rather see something like Windows FX instead of Futura. Maybe they should have used that for Vista though. I wouldn't put something like Futura on an OS like 7 that's basically just an update of Vista and not real hack and slash release though. That's just me.
by CrashPad63 October 14, 2008 6:04 AM PDT
What people have such a negative opinion? You? Maybe a few bloggers? I know you dont speak for the majority of the users out there. They already like it. They have bought Vista and are using Vista.
by kemblite October 13, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
"...what we are trying to achieve, which is to stay firmly rooted in our aspirations for Windows Vista, while evolving and refining the substantial investments in platform technology in Windows Vista into the next generation of Windows."
Windows 7=Windows Vista SP2 or SP3
I wish they had developed a new OS from ground zero, not just an "evolution" of the Vista failure. I guess we'll have to wait for Windows 20 for that.
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by killerb255 October 22, 2008 7:57 AM PDT
It'd be nice.

However, Vista and Server 2008 are both going to get an actual SP2, despite Windows 7.
by HlLLARY CLITON October 13, 2008 7:47 PM PDT
oh great....the same driver structure as Vista !!!!
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by 3rdalbum October 13, 2008 8:37 PM PDT
The driver structure for Vista is 95% fantastic as it puts printer, scanner and filesystem drivers into userspace where they can't crash the whole computer or be a target for malware. It's not Microsoft's fault that proprietary hardware companies couldn't get their act together and release Vista drivers when Vista actually shipped. Now that the drivers model is fully modern, Microsoft have no reason to change it for Windows 7.
by CrashPad63 October 14, 2008 6:04 AM PDT
Sounds to me like you dont even use Vista.
by gochichi October 14, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
I second that. This person clearly doesn't use Vista. To say that Vista is good to go driver-wise is the understatement of the year. Vista is slick, if not, it's just your run of the mill hardware vendor lack of support for their legacy products.

Wow, Microsoft stock wow.... with so many idiots hating on you for no reason based on reality, how will you ever come back?

Oh wait, Vista drivers suck right... oh oh oh....
compared to ... Linux?... Mac OS X? Windows XP? .... only PERHAPS worse than Windows XP AFTER 6 years. Vista is really awesome, unlike Vista bashers I actually know what I'm talking about. I've been using Ubuntu for a few years (and it's really good, and fun), been using Mac OS X since 10.2 (overrated to say the least, especially when it comes to driver support, I mean really).

I think most people need to get a new computer, they're going around bashing stuff not even realizing how good things have gotten since they spent thousands on their last computer. Now you can spend $800.00 and get a great laptop, $400.00 and get a great desktop (Vista in either case). ... times have never been better (and these prices are considerably lower than Macs... considerably).
by ajaypathak October 13, 2008 8:16 PM PDT
name does not make any sense for the consumer. if u renamed vista to xp it still behaves like vista.
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by CrashPad63 October 14, 2008 6:07 AM PDT
And you are some Svengali who can read the future? Do you have any other insight? How about my investments? What should I be going into?
by shadedecho October 13, 2008 8:49 PM PDT
how about "windows mojave!?" :)
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