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September 17, 2008 5:15 PM PDT

Microsoft: Shift away from Seinfeld-Gates planned

by Ina Fried
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The next ad in Microsoft's massive Windows campaign won't feature Bill Gates and Jerry Seinfeld, but the move is part of a planned shift, Microsoft insisted on Wednesday.

An image from the first Seinfeld-Gates commercial.

(Credit: Microsoft)

"That was always the plan," a Microsoft spokesperson said late Wednesday. That followed a report on Valleywag that Seinfeld and Gates were getting the boot.

Microsoft had indicated even before the second ad debuted last week that a shift was coming.

In any case, Wednesday's coverage is more bad news for Microsoft, which is banking on this $300 million ad push to help restore Microsoft's image after years of bad press for Windows Vista and relentless attacks from rival Apple.

Reaction to the ads has been largely negative since the first one debuted two weeks ago.

Update: Later on Wednesday, a Microsoft spokesman added this official statement: "We will be executing the second phase of our advertising campaign tomorrow, as planned from the start."

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by exmsft September 17, 2008 5:56 PM PDT
Yes. Planned. Strategery. Sure.
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by CTO_Dude September 18, 2008 7:28 AM PDT
How many days do you think it takes to create these ads? I would guess months. So thinking that a campaign that just started three weeks ago when the next rev is coming out in a few days makes you look very wrong!
by Imalittleteapot September 18, 2008 9:05 PM PDT
I don't know CTO_Dude. There is something odd about this. Only two ads in the series and then on to something else? Not only that but normal ads usually runs months at a time or longer. How long did the Apple ads run? Are they still running?

Two ads that were only shown a week or two on the net and even fewer on TV and then all of sudden it's never mind! We're doing something else now! Doesn't sound like it's working to me. It was the same thing with Mojave. What happened to that?

Sounds to me like Mojave was plan A. Seinfeld was plan B. and now we're getting ready to see plan C with the overall plan being that MS is going to try lots of stuff. This looks like a brute force ad campaign to me. Try everything until something works.

It's good they have back up plans, but I hope we see something that makes sense before we run out of letters in the alphabet. Maybe if they had a backup plan for Vista we could just avoid all this nonsense.
by rosscbrown September 17, 2008 6:08 PM PDT
Okay. That's sad. I liked seeing Bill and Jerry in the Ads. They really wanted me to buy a Microsoft. I'm not quite sure what a Microsoft is or where I'd get one but those guys make me want one...
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by close5828 September 17, 2008 6:14 PM PDT
When you say nothing, there's doubt. When you say something, there's no doubt.

There's absolutely no doubt that the stitching is coming out of this marketing campaign, and they know it.
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by Penguinisto September 18, 2008 6:25 AM PDT
Pretty much... I'm thinking the ad agency and MSFT's marketing department figured out that nobody wants to have some long overly-complex and vague commercial interrupting their television shows.
by CTO_Dude September 18, 2008 7:29 AM PDT
How many days do you think it takes to create these ads? I would guess months. So thinking that a campaign that just started three weeks ago when the next rev is coming out in a few days makes you look very wrong!
by Penguinisto September 18, 2008 7:32 PM PDT
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if MSFT didn't have a back-up plan in place for this one. When you have 300 million bucks to put towards an overall marketing campaign, it wouldn't take much to have them all made out in advance, with Plan B sitting idle for later use, or you can put it to more immediate use when Plan A goes splat.
by jeromatron September 17, 2008 6:20 PM PDT
Hmmm... the "plan" eh? If they've spent as much as they say they have on this public relations "plan" then I would think that contingency plans are in the budget. So plan A didn't go all that well - it didn't take off. On to plan B.

I guess this just lets me know that this CNet blog operates within said "plan."
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by CTO_Dude September 18, 2008 7:29 AM PDT
How many days do you think it takes to create these ads? I would guess months. So thinking that a campaign that just started three weeks ago when the next rev is coming out in a few days makes you look very wrong!
by professionaladventurer September 17, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
Those ads were lame. Besides. everybody knows Microsoft suck and Apple rocks. Relax! They are all tools in the toolbox. You always use the right tool for the job. [insert punchline here]
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by timber2005 September 17, 2008 7:09 PM PDT
iPod firmware upgrade for new features...oh wait
OOPS, that doesn't happen anymore, unless it has a touch screen :D
by timber2005 September 17, 2008 7:10 PM PDT
And you also lose points for the "Apple" and "Rocks" pun from the ipod announcements this month. Wow xD

just kidding.
by HlLLARY CLITON September 17, 2008 6:24 PM PDT
yea sure it was planned.....uh huh
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by CTO_Dude September 18, 2008 7:30 AM PDT
How many days do you think it takes to create these ads? I would guess months. So thinking that a campaign that just started three weeks ago when the next rev is coming out in a few days makes you look very wrong!
by ppgreat September 17, 2008 6:24 PM PDT
I have not, nor have I ever had relations with that ... with Vista.
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by rgmenke September 17, 2008 6:35 PM PDT
The ads were just stupid. They'd have done better replaying Ballmer's "monkey boy" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403 rant.
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by ismetd September 17, 2008 6:49 PM PDT
plan eh? hmm... i guess the "BillG shaking his ass to signal the future" didn't go very well.
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by CTO_Dude September 18, 2008 7:30 AM PDT
How many days do you think it takes to create these ads? I would guess months. So thinking that a campaign that just started three weeks ago when the next rev is coming out in a few days makes you look very wrong!
by Orion Blastar September 17, 2008 7:04 PM PDT
Shift away from comedy, shift towards Star Trek. Get William Shatner, Patrick Stewart, Kate Mulgrew, Avery Brooks, or Scott Bakula to promote Windows and Microsoft products using a "Star Trek" theme, better yet get them all. Have each one play a Starship Captain that talks about how Windows Vista or Microsoft Office has helped them do their jobs as a Starfleet Captain.

William Shatner used to shill for Commodore and the VIC-20 and Commodore 64 became the best selling home computers of the 1980's, so you know it works. Now he shills for Priceline.com and it works too!
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by The_happy_switcher September 17, 2008 11:10 PM PDT
You are one serious geek. Time to move out of mommy and daddy's basement.
by sythara September 18, 2008 7:00 AM PDT
That would be one of the best strategies M$ can do when it comes to advertising. While seeing Shatner hasnt made me play world of warcraft or use priceline, the commercials can be rather amusing.

Imagine, a star trek themed starship fighting klingons... and in the heat of battle you get blue screen of death...

or even better, a spin off "I'm a mac, I'm a PC guy" with same skinny dude as the mac guy and Michael Dorn as PC guy, ripping him apart with a klingon battlecry....
by The_Decider September 18, 2008 7:18 AM PDT
That is not a bad idea:

Vista: It might not suck by 2500.
by Perry_Clease September 17, 2008 8:02 PM PDT
Well at least wrap up the story before "shifting." I am not a MicroSoftFanBoy, but I was enjoying watching Bill and Jerry in the ads.
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by ralfthedog September 17, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
30 seconds ago I decided to run out and get some food. I can now say that I have had plans in the works to stop typing and start driving. The question is not if they had plans, the question is how long they have had plans.

I am not sure what I think about Microsoft's new plans. From what I understand they will put some fat man in a dress and have him run around with a vista banner while lots of people throw water balloons at him. The idea is to promote sympathy for Microsoft and it's poor abused operating systems.

"We know Vista is a bit strange, please don't bash it. Buy it and give it a good home."
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by nanisani September 17, 2008 8:18 PM PDT
I'm so glad they explained that this was all part of the original plan! Everyone in the ad biz knows that a really good ad campaign has to be accompanied by company spokespeople explaining it all.

Why are they doing this???????
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by ewelch September 17, 2008 8:31 PM PDT
George: I had so much promise. I was personable, I was bright. Oh, maybe not academically speaking, but ... I was perceptive. I always know when someone's uncomfortable at a party. It became very clear to me sitting out there today, that every decision I've ever made, in my entire life, has been wrong. My life is the opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have, in every of life, be it something to wear, something to eat ... It's all been wrong.

George: Excuse me, I couldn't help but notice that you were looking in my direction.

Victoria: Oh, yes I was, you just ordered the same exact lunch as me.

George: My name is George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents.

Victoria (with a huge smile): I'm Victoria, hi!
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by Vegaman_Dan September 17, 2008 8:45 PM PDT
I'm impressed that all the people posting here have such intimate knowledge of MIcrosoft's advertising plans that they can make such definitive statements on the process. I also wonder if they can share this secret information with the reporter? <p>
Or are you just all talking without any fact or basis for your comments other than the typical rambling of the tech trolls? So far, the second appears to be the case. <p>
I would like to see more of the Bill and Jerry exchange, but can see that having that be the sole focus would be a mistake. None of this is done on the spur of the moment, so I can totally believe that they planned this from the start. I'll be interested to see what they have up their sleeves. And by this time tomorrow, we'll all know.
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by The_happy_switcher September 17, 2008 11:12 PM PDT
Most of us just draw conclusions based upon the usually correct assumption that anything Microsoft does will be crap.
That's why it's easy to predict. You see?
by Kwasiowusu September 18, 2008 1:47 AM PDT
I don't need to know Microsoft's plans on this ad.
An ad is made to sell a product, or make peoploe go buy the product. An ad is not out to be cute or esoteric, or to win awards for being "way out".
When you make an ad, where the target audience (ordinary consumers), can't make any sense of it, much less go and buy the product you are advertising, then you have failed woefully in your aims, and are totally wasting the company's money.
Microsoft execs are totally out of touch with reality.
by Penguinisto September 18, 2008 6:27 AM PDT
Holy Crap - I actually agree with Kwasi on this one!

(now where are the other three horsemen of the apocalypse...?)
by The_Decider September 18, 2008 7:22 AM PDT
Of course you can believe this is planned, if MS told you the earth was flat you would believe it.

It was not planned, the ads were stupid and therefore bombing, like someone else said if they were succeeding they wouldn't need some brain-dead marketer to explain the shift.
by ServedUp September 17, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
MIcrosoft has lost touch with its consumer audience. This commercial fiasco only proves how ignorant the culture at Microsoft really is. Its kind of sad to see them brag about nothing and its equally sad to see Bill Gates getting old and still remain pretentious about himself and his company. Didn't he just retire?

The fact they're changing their ad strategy changes nothing, because they have nothing worth bragging about! They failed in acquiring Google. They failed in acquiring Yahoo. Zune media players haven't been selling well. The overheated-Xbox 360 gaming machines have seen a decrease in sales which they are barely breaking even on. The Surface computer is ridiculously expensive and does nothing useful for the average consumer, other than to continue the trend of professed "almighty" MS innovation. Windows Vista is an utter flop and doesn't work well for the average non-tech consumer which is a big chunk of the market. Oh and those ridiculous Windows Mojave ads - those people haven't used VIsta for more than a week, and there's something so pro-Microsoft about their attitude after discovering it was really Vista they were using. Yeesh!

At this present moment in time Microsoft is just grasping at straws. They are definitely sinking fast and most likely this3rd iteration of these commercials will probably be more liking to a baseball game than a charm.
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by stephen7144 September 19, 2008 9:06 AM PDT
I'm an 'average non-tech consumer' using Vista and find the statement that Vista doesn't work well absurd. The OS works. It does not have anything worth intentionally upgrading for but the system certainly works. No crashes. Extremely fast to startup. The only complaint I could possibly make is the fact that some other software makers have failed to update their products to work with Vista. But, whose 'fault' or responsibility is that? In addition, this one complaint about other software is the one primarly factor that all the apple pushers fail to note. Most of the software I enjoy using is not available for apple products, which in my view makes the apple computer useless. But to say that Vista does not work is just not true.
by Imalittleteapot September 17, 2008 9:03 PM PDT
Yeah, two ads that don't make any sense. Then bloggers say no no! They're really good ads and you'll see. Sorry I still don't see and now they're over? MS and the fan boys have the worst case of denial I've ever seen I think. At least the ad people are smart enough to try something else when their plans don't work. Except they lie and say it was a planned shift.

It's exactly that attitude that is hurting MS's image. If they want to relate to normal people perhaps they could admit that they make mistakes like every other normal human being on the planet does. Instead, every time they make a mistake they do every dance in the book to skirt around the issue or only apologize for some issue nobody even cares about. The big issues they continue to ignore. Add the robot to that list btw.

Instead of spending all this ad money on even more ads to relate to people they could just say, yeah you know what? It wasn't a planned shift. The ads sucked and we messed up. BAM! No more ads needed and they automatically relate to real people that screw up everyday. Unless of course they don't want to be screw ups, but MS hasn't figured that part out yet.
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by boe_d September 17, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
I'm not sure if I fully understood the ads. They really made me want to buy churros but didn't really make me interested in buying conquistador shoes or to shop at the shoe circus. I'm not sure when MS is holding their churo bake sale but maybe if they sell enough churros, they'll be able to hire some engineers who are skilled at optimization and efficiency, not bloating code and maybe a decent testing group so they can come up with a better OS than XP - Lord knows it sure as hell isn't Vista. What was the point of beta testing VIsta - everyone told them it was sluggish and they ignored the responses.

I don't think they should get into the shoe sales business I doubt it will be any more successful than Ballmer is at convincing IT professionals they should downgrade to Vista.
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by 62Sparkplug September 17, 2008 10:39 PM PDT
So Seinfeld collected his $10,000,000, went home, and continued using his Mac. Brilliant!
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by bhushan bhaagii September 18, 2008 6:03 AM PDT
Now, THAT s really telling!
by benjwah September 17, 2008 10:41 PM PDT
Microsoft are ******* idiots. I liked the ads, and I thought they had potential. Of course, it looks like they'll be doing what they do with everything that doesn't work immediately: Losing interest.
I like Microsoft (not as a blind supporter, I also like Apple and Linux), but when they drop things at the slightest hurdle (for instance, the grumblings of the blogosphere), they are extremely frustrating.
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