August 13, 2009 8:20 PM PDT

IBM gaining Linux customers at Sun's expense

by Dave Rosenberg
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Despite all the hype associated with a never-ending Linux versus Windows battle, it's Unix, and specifically Sun Solaris that has felt the most pressure in the server operating system landscape.

While I doubt that Solaris will completely languish long-term under Oracle's watchful eye (in fact, it may well flourish), there is little question that Sun's ups and downs in the recent past have made customers look to alternatives.

At a recent IBM analyst meeting, Inna Kuznetsova, director, Linux strategy, told attendees that the Linux business is strong and growing.

  • In the past three years, over 1,800 customers have migrated from competitive platforms to IBM, and nearly 50 percent of those IBM wins included Linux.
  • IBM doubled their number of Sun customer wins between first quarter and second quarter 2009.

Much of the growth comes from IBM's close relationship with Red Hat, which allows IBM to play all sides of the fence in terms of OS suggestions to their customers.

This comes at a time when Novell has decided to invest further into OpenSUSE, adding full-time staff to the project team. As The Register noted, it's a bit shocking that it's taken this long for Novell to properly fund the effort, but it seems like an obvious time to take advantage of the market opportunity as Solaris and OpenSolaris are potentially on the ropes.

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by allruiz August 13, 2009 10:22 PM PDT
In fact, Solaris is one of the primary reasons of Sun acquisition by Oracle. Oracle want to build solutions from end to end, so the OS is a key piece.
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by Philips August 14, 2009 3:43 AM PDT
If you haven't heard that already - many insiders chimed in - Oracle is nearly 100% Linux house.

And not that Oracle had to buy the Sun to fork its (Open)Solaris.
by enovikoff August 13, 2009 11:50 PM PDT
As long as ZFS is in Solaris, it will have the advantage for many applications - especially storage appliances.
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by cabdriverjim August 19, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
I've used both Linux and Solaris for a very, very long time. From my perspective Solaris is a huge, steaming pile of garbage as it currently stands. OpenSolaris shows promise but they are essentially rewriting Solaris from scratch to implement OpenSolaris' ideals. Solaris has some neat features but nothing vital and nothing I'd bet my business on. Many of the features I really do feel I need are alpha quality, if that, in Solaris and only available in unsupported versions. Every time I report a bug I'm told I'm running an unsupported version of Solaris. And when/if the bug is fixed 6 months later I'm told to upgrade to yet another unsupported version of Solaris. There's essentially no patch management, no software management, no software/patch verification, etc. Official Sun software comes in the form of executable Installshield wizards that demolish your systems and leave only a vague 30MB log file of what they changed. If you need to run a business 10 years ago Solaris is awesome. Today, Linux is awesome.

For example, ZFS is unusable for anything except locally attached, integrated disks. Sun's "sales engineer" people will sell you all day long on ZFS as the holy grail but once you've spent the $100,000 and implemented your system the real Sun engineers scoff, "ZFS only works reliably on local storage. If you want to use it with SAN devices you wasted your money." This was after we spent months and tens of thousands of dollars implementing a ZFS-based SAN system, mind you. The very first time we tested the SAN failover the entire ZFS filesystem was utterly destroyed due to one or more bugs in the Solaris kernel. I spent 90 hours straight being transferred from time zone to time zone working on recovering my ZFS volumes. One of the ZFS engineers himself tried to help and declared it unrecoverable. Great. It did the one thing the Sun sales engineer assured me was never possible with ZFS: it completely destroyed _all_ of my data in a single act.

Sun makes awesome x86-64 servers. Software is not one of their strengths.
by cade_foster August 14, 2009 2:20 AM PDT
How about a reality check !
A UNIX-clone (e.g. Linux) is one thing ... but a real UNIX system (e.g. (Open)Solaris) is something much different.
e.g. Solaris had 64 CPU scalability (the real big iron stuff, not the wacky multi-computer clustering) back in 1996. Back then Linux was on entry level SMP systems.

While Linux was growing from someone's bedroom in northern Europe and then entering the commercial world through the back door (prior to IBM "embracing" Linux), Solaris was satisfying real world solutions backed by real world warranties. The good thing now is that the innovative OpenSolaris is open-source.

Linux attempts to clone technologies from Sun, not vice-versa.

(Open)Solaris is the preferred OS for all of Sun's hardware (workstation, low/mid/high-end servers, storage servers and enterprise servers) while the same cannot be said for IBM/AIX and HP/HP-UX combinations.
This just adds much more credibility to Sun.

Rather than trying to get Sun accounts on technical merit, IBM/HP were spreading FUD about Sun/Oracle merger to scare Sun clients away from Sun and towards IBM/HP.

How credible/desperate is IBM/HP now ?
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by David Gerard August 14, 2009 4:42 AM PDT
I've been a Solaris admin for the last eight years, with increasing Linux in there professionally. In my last job, we had a lot of Solaris 10 and RHEL/CentOS 4.

* Sun's x86 hardware is competitive on price and service with Dell.
* If the Sun x86 hardware is running Solaris, Sun really do support the whole stack properly.
* We were happily running Red Hat on Sun hardware and Solaris on Dell hardware in a few cases. It's fine, y'know.
* Solaris 10 shows Sun sees Linux as the competition.
* Solaris 10 has DTrace, ZFS and zones, which are really really cool and useful. Linux has various virtualisation schemes, but none as integrated as zones.
* Generic open source software tends to be written by people who think "cross-platform" means Red Hat *and* Ubuntu, so needs way, way too much kicking to get working on Solaris. After a while you just start keeping a Linux box handy even if you'd rather run it on Solaris.
* Using Sunfreeware packages and resolving dependencies by hand is a world of pain. Blastwave/OpenCSW is the only way to live, i.e. a Linux-like repository system. I'm extremely happy OpenSolaris is going in this direction too. Wish they'd just used .debs, but hey.

Summary: Solaris is still good and has fight in it. DTrace has no Linux equivalent. ZFS may be beaten by btrfs when that stabilises. This may or may not be enough to compete with Linux effectively.
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by August 14, 2009 6:07 AM PDT
Sure there will be shops that run it for decades to come, but Solaris has zero chance for long term success. Only a tiny percentage of people truly need features like DTrace. Linux is good enough for a large percentage of workloads currently served by Unix and is not standing still. As already shown, over time it will continue to improve and chomp away at more and more. It's unlikely that Oracle is not going to have to stomache to plow truckloads of cash into R&D to keep Solaris ahead of the competition.
by zvonr August 14, 2009 6:57 AM PDT
Here is a reality check:

Is Linux cheaper than solaris? NO
Is Linux more advanced than solaris? NO
(just read up on Linux Hugepages, even Solaris 8 was more advanced(10 yrs ago)... not to mention ZFS, Zones, DTRACE)

Every time I am on a Linux box I feel like going back in time.
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by daverosenberg August 14, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
I don't disagree that Solaris might be technically better. The issue is that customers want to move to an OS that is clearly supported in the future.
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by gggg sssss August 14, 2009 5:23 PM PDT
glad to see IBM getting some revenge on Oracle
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by aastinko August 19, 2009 7:49 AM PDT
Hey, as long as they are gaining them, that is all that matters!

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