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September 13, 2008 4:58 PM PDT

Apple blocks competitive products from iPhone App Store--surprised?

by Dave Rosenberg

With little clarity on what constitutes "duplicate functionality", Apple rejected the iPhone podcast client Podcaster on the grounds that "since Podcaster assists in the distribution of podcasts, it duplicates the functionality of the Podcast section of iTunes".

No one should expect Apple to include competitive applications in it's walled garden. That would be the equivalent to Salesforce.com putting other CRM apps on the AppExchange. It's bad business for them. And it's just not realistic.

Nonetheless, this calls into question just how you can have a "platform" when the platfrom vendor arbitrarily decides to eliminate competition. The company shouldn't encourage developers to embrace the iPhone as a way to make money without clear ground rules on how to interact with the company.

As developer Fraser Speirs writes:

Let's be clear: forbidding "duplication of functionality" is forbidding competition. The point of competition is to do the same thing, but better. Worse, Apple hasn't even said which functionality is off-limits. I'm not arguing about what's legally or morally right in some abstract sense. I'm talking about common sense -- talented developers are looking at what is going on with the App Store and choosing not to write iPhone apps, out of the fear that their efforts will be for naught. If good developers are afraid to write software for your platform, it is a problem.

I've banged this drum before in relation to Facebook, another walled-garden that encouraged development then immediately replicated the functions of the ecosystem and took the monetization opportunities into their own hands. Investors who put dollars into companies whose products only run on Facebook headed for the hills months ago. Sadly, the iPhone may be the next bubble unless Apple provides some clarity.

When a platform is not open you are at the mercy of the vendor who may/may not be interested in making your life easier or making you money. While it's hard to say that Apple has been purposely disingenuous , it's clear that the company hasn't accurately represented the rules for exclusion.

Nothing kills 3rd-party developer motivation faster than unclear rules of engagement.

Dave Rosenberg dishes up "Software, Interrupted" with nearly 15 years of technology and marketing experience that spans from Bell Labs to multiple start-up IPOs to open-source enterprise software companies. He is co-founder of MuleSource and currently serves as the general manager of Hardy Way. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. You can contact Dave via e-mail at softwareinterrupted@gmail.com or follow him on Twitter @daveofdoom.
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by almerica September 13, 2008 5:51 PM PDT
I am definatly not making anymore apps for the iPhone. At least not until I see some clear rules. I think I will head over to the Google Phone.
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by dul2405 November 22, 2008 10:49 PM PST
Well look at the Top Apps and you might change your mind
<a href="http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-paid-apps/">http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-paid-apps/</a>
by dul2405 November 22, 2008 10:56 PM PST
Here are the correct links...
[url]http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-paid-apps/[/url]
[url]http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-free-apps/[/url]
by dul2405 November 22, 2008 11:04 PM PST
[url=http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-paid-apps/]iTunes App Store Top Paid Apps[/url]
[url=http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-free-apps/]iTunes App Store Top Free Apps[/url]

Sorry about the extra posts...
by dul2405 November 22, 2008 11:06 PM PST
[url http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-paid-apps/]iTunes App Store Top Paid Apps[/url]
[url http://www.redrome.com/iphone-app-store/top-free-apps/]iTunes App Store Top Free Apps[/url]

Sorry about the extra posts...
by dul2405 November 22, 2008 11:06 PM PST
[url=http://www.redrome.com]Red Rome[/url]
by auramac September 14, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
Ahh.. a couple of Apple-haters- masquerading as developers. By the way, this is how you spell the word "definitely." It helps with your credibility as well as your programming. Apple is entitled to do what it wants, to maintain consistency and "definitely" protect its own interests.
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by ZetaZeta_ September 15, 2008 12:16 AM PDT
No one and no company is "entitled to do what it wants." That's called monopoly. Also, you don't have to be a developer to hate this. It's stifling advancement. If you forbid competition, you have less reason to make a better product or make better features. As an avid iPhone user, this makes me sad. I won't be able to try any developer made apps that do what iPhone does better because Apple won't let me.
by Rawnchie14 September 15, 2008 6:58 AM PDT
auramac - "masquerading as developers" LOL... typical self-righteous Apple "programmers" comment. Get off your high horse. As if non-coders aren't entitled to an opinion. Well at least these people have the sense to not spread cheek for the likes of Apple, programmer or not.
by puamana17 September 14, 2008 12:34 PM PDT
So why is it that you Apple fanboys are so touchy about Apple? Just because we don't agree with Apple's policies, you attack us? We all want rules and guidelines to follow so we know what we do is acceptable and all our hard work and money is not wasted. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You "definitely" need to chill.
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by lil-yankee September 14, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
dude, you put it in the right words, "definitely" eccentric.
by emschles September 14, 2008 1:21 PM PDT
Ironically, the validation of a platform's success is the arrival of products on that platform that compete directly with the platform provider's core applications. To be sure executives at salesforce.com would welcome a competitor's product on the AppExchange. That would mean more licenses would be sold. And, if the competitor's feature and functionality is so good that customers are tempted to switch then it is up to the platform provider to come up with solutions to serve their customers needs - not shut the competitor out.
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by AppleSuxLeo September 14, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
Apple ? I don`t use any of their products !
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by MickBurke September 14, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
Are you kidding? Apple is the worst monopoly in the world, here; buy our devices, give us your money (and sing songs about us) and then we'll control how you may use it. They make decent products, but that's no reason to let them treat you like fools.
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by dtrots September 14, 2008 3:52 PM PDT
I am a owner of an ipod touch. I have been waiting for someone to make this app, Apple or otherwise. I spend a lot of time at my girlfriend's away from my computer, would love to get podcast updates without a hard sync!
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by dkochheiser September 14, 2008 4:16 PM PDT
I agree with Mick, think if Microsoft did this. People wold go ballistic, call out yet a worse monopoly, file lawsuits, etc. So why hasn't this happened to Apple, it makes no sense. They control the hardware, and have complete control of the software, how is this even an American company? Sounds like something that a communist controlled country would do. (As I write this on my Macbook... sigh....)
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by Dalmatian28 September 14, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
hahaha...why has this come as surprise to anyone! It is Apple! (The "King of arrogance"!) "My way or highway!" remember!!!!!
They bundle their OS with hardware and charge 3X of production cost , they prevent Parallels and VMware from running their OS, they tell customers when and how they can update their hardware, change your battery (Apple force you to buy warranty because you can't change battery yourself) , how and where you buy and play your music ...should I continue???? Now this is not a such a big deal! Just write apps for other phones! Anybody actually surprised that this happen???
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by zato_3 September 14, 2008 4:59 PM PDT
CNet: "With little clarity on what constitutes "duplicate functionality", Apple rejected the iPhone podcast client Podcaster on the grounds that "since Podcaster assists in the distribution of podcasts, it duplicates the functionality of the Podcast section of iTunes".

This statement has never been verified. It's what Podcast says, not necessarily what Apple says. My guess is it's NOT what Apple said. I think Apple rejected to App because they don't want direct downloads to the iPhone because of the security risk. Podcasts downloaded from iTunes can be checked for malware by Apple.
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by posco2k8 September 14, 2008 7:36 PM PDT
Are there confirmed reports of any routines within iTunes that check if malware is present before content is transferred?
by lil-yankee September 14, 2008 5:50 PM PDT
Liberty is not a gift, is a responsibility. Yes my friend Apple is American and it should because here is where the consumers-citizens are capable of being treated like idiots and not care.
Our goverment does it and guess what, its on for the last 8 years, it lies it hides stuff and on and on and yet, not till the very end to americans react. Apple, as much of you know makes the hard and soft ware that runs in their computers, therefore they are hold accountable for whatever goes on in their macs unlike microsoft. The point is that to keep things running smooth they need to supervise-control what goes on to guarantee that their products work as they want, not us btw.
So yeah, dont see why there is so much surprise about this, it makes sense.
Im surprise you guys dont know why tower 7 of the wtc felt but this, come on, is not physics is business strategy.
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by blueOrbit September 14, 2008 6:43 PM PDT
Think of the world before the iPod. Who would ever have bought a CD player that dictated where we could buy our CD's from? Yet that's the overall business strategy of Apple and, when the iPod was a fresh idea, everyone bought into it. Over the years that the market has grown and Apple dominates it (sound familiar?) and everyone slowly starts to wake up. I've never owned an iPod, I bought the Creative Zen. Until the anti-trust laws catch them, Apple can do whatever they want and the people that buy into it and complain... are fools.
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by rouse51 September 14, 2008 7:56 PM PDT
Are you kidding me. Fanboy or not how can you call at a blow to compitition when someone wants to put an app together that does the same thing that your free software does. Apple is in the business of making money but it also has to avoid what has killed the Wii's rep shovelware. Microsoft and Sony have a thumbs up or down on software for there system. Verizon and the other phone companies do the same thing except the don't even allow people to develop for it. Go to Microsoft website and see if you can find Firefox or Opera there. Go to Fords website and see if you can purchase GM radios to put in your car. Go to Sony and see if you can find a XBox 360 or a Samsung TV. even though Samsung and Sony actually share a production plant.

For the people making points that apple is a monopoly. Let me give you a course in anti-trust 101. Microsoft told stores that if they carried apple or Amiga products they would not be able to carry a single computer with there operating system. Microsoft froze every browser out of there operating system. That is anti-trust.

Now Apple, you can find any MP3 player sitting beside an Apple. You can buy music from Amazon or any other DRM free store and put it on an apple. You can use Winamp to load any music on an Ipod. The have an App store with hundreds of developers on it with tons of apps given away on a device that was never promised to provide that ability. It is a music player and a phone that happens to do some cool stuff. Now ask all of those developers to go to Samsung and LG or Verizon T-Mobile and see if you can get the same respect. Find me any product besides the wii were you can shoval anything onto without them having the ability to turn you down. Try getting microsoft to let you replace there content delivery system. Ask them can you replace Xbox live. Now how about Sony, or Verizon, or even Zune. See if Garin will let you load Tom Toms maps on it. Why does apple have to be different.
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by Rawnchie14 September 15, 2008 6:54 AM PDT
rouse51, put away the koolaid. This is not right, it's software, not a piece of tech they have to accommodate their operating system for. They TAKE AWAY the ability to put software on the iPhone except through iTunes and the app store. THEN they limit what can be sold there.

That my friend, is sealing off competition. Looks like you need to take off your Apple rose-tinted sunglasses and wake up to smell the bacon. Apple is clearly equating the MS of old, thinking they can do w/e they want. If people want something else to do pod casts, THEN LET THEM USE IT.

That's like Nintendo shooting down all games that resemble Wii-Sports, b/c it's a "duplicate game software." Are they allowed? Sure. Should they? HELL NO.
by JaylikeBird September 14, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
I am so happy Apple weeds out all unneccesary crapplications from their product offerings. I use Apple hardware and software for very specific purposes (spare the details of my ambient visual symphonies), and for my hundreds of hours taking footage and editing and processing and preparing, I want that machine to work as near to 100% as possible. And if I'm experimenting with a new application (Junxion, currently) or plug-in, I want someone else to have done the debugging and testing before I have to. When I am in the middle of a live performance, that reliability becomes mission-critical. I don't have time for crap. I am not a 'computer hobbyist.' When I am done working, I go outside. Unless I'm, umm, wasting time reading the news...

Apple doesn't have to do anything for your substandard masturbatory programming, and they sure as heck aren't beholden to present that sticky mess to the world for you. Write a useful, innovative new application that works like the dickens and fills a clever niche, and who knows, they might just take it. Until then, keep working and stop complaining. "Oh, oowie, I'm so butt-hurt that Apple won't let me sell my buggy garbage. Fascists!!" Whatever. Reliability! If I'm making toast, I want a M*F~~ Black & Decker toaster, not a %$^ science experiment kit. Anyway, I think I've made my point. Do whatever you want, but don't complain about what Apple does. They make fine boxes that get the job done. They're more expensive because they are of more professional quality-- deal with it.

Anyway, I hear the new Microsoft ads were composited on Macs. tss!
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by hawaiiguy1969 September 14, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
Remember this ad from 1983?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8 (youtube search apple commercial 1984)

Apple seems to have lived long enough to become the villian...personally, as a consumer, I've found many comparable products that work on macs but cost a fraction, phone/organizers, software, peripherals, MUSIC/VIDEO DOWNLOADS etc. Work dictates Mac, but in my humble opinion, Jobs is a Jerk! (talented Jerk though he may be)

The only power Apple has is the power that we the consumer give to them in the form of our dollars! Remember that the next time you buy something! Shop around, there's better products out there! Stop the abuse!
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by vajradhara September 15, 2008 1:13 AM PDT
I have been a loyal Apple customer since 1986. I like some aspects of the software/hardware offers, and refuse to purchase Microsoft based priducts. I wish I did not feel the need to install Office, but what is the real alternative? I hate that Adobe Flash does not work on my iPhone, and I honestly feel that Apple blocks my access to video products and access to streaming news, by blocking Flash. And of course, Apple and ATT block my use of third party bandwidth providers - which I hope are soon Municiple real robust broadband networks. And here, Apple blocks market entry! The fact that the Government allows this block to market entry is collusion between corporations (ATT & Apple) and the Government. These facts are simple clear violations of the Sherman Anti-trust Act, and the Clayton Anti-trust Act. So where are the lawyers to protect the public interest - right to market entry? We won't see any public trust protection from Shrub and Cheney. Where are our legal defenders of our rights to purchase competitive products in a competitive market? I for one would leave ATT ASAP. And I would love to see Android Phones and Tablets (full size - not iPhone mini-micro-tabs) operating Chrome on Steriods via the Cloud!!!! I am not attached to the past. I welcome the future! And the future is not monopoly games by arrogants Gates and Jobs. Information demands freedom, as do markets, people, and creativity. Bring on public domain software running on competitive chipsets manufactured by competitive interests. This principle is why blocking market entry is illegal. Or, should we all line up for $100 pet gallon gas and cheer our monopoly oil cartel for the quality of the fluids?
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by Bryan Cooper September 15, 2008 7:45 AM PDT
I have only been a fan since Mac OS X. I have been a UNIX fan since 1978. When Mac retried Unix (remember Lisa), using NextStep, they had a PC that actually worked. Have 5 macs working for my store now.
Anyway, Flash player is not necessarily 'blocked' - it may be Apple chooses not to pay Adobe whatever fee Adobe charges to port it to the iPhone. That is their choice. Does make it hard to see certain sites. It may be that AT&T was worried too much bandwidth - hence limit the video to YouTube. Don't know the rationale. Maybe Apple isn't perfect in making decisions.
As to 'competitive software' - Apple has the right to block downloads on their website. Why not create a competitve site for downloads? Might be possible, maybe not - maybe not worth it. Apple says they put out 100 million apps- how many were 100% free of charge? I won't normally buy apps as they generally don't seem worth even $5. The apps are mostly toys in any case.
BTW, Microsoft is certified as a monopoly by the US Justice department with a judge making that determination in 1999. Apple is not a monopoly.
by Rawnchie14 September 15, 2008 6:45 AM PDT
monopoly... monopoly... monopoly...

Under these "grounds", Microsoft blocking other browsers to promote the use of Internet Explorer would be valid. Tsk tsk Apple, you're the next big antitrust.
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by limweiseng September 28, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
Developers said they will boycott and not building new apps.
If boycott is really their means, they should withdraw all the apps currently available in store.
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by dul2405 November 22, 2008 10:47 PM PST
You can finally get the Top Apps without iTunes
http://www.redrome.com/app-store/
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