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At the United States Air Force Academy on Thursday, 1,376 basic cadets arrived for initiation.

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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.--"Get off my bus!"

As the door opened, those words exploded out and it seemed that everyone within a few hundred feet must have heard them. But there was no doubt the two or three dozen on board did, as they came scurrying off at high speed.

These were one busload of the 1,376 members of the United States Air Force Academy's class of 2013, and, less glamorously, the brand new basic cadets who had arrived here Thursday, many just weeks out of high school.

Accustomed to being on top of their respective worlds--they had high grades, top SAT scores, and were chosen from among nearly 10,000 applicants to the Academy--these men and women were now reduced to being screamed at by fellow students just two years ahead of them.

As part of Road Trip 2009, I was on hand Thursday for what is known as "in-processing," the initiation of the new class of students and I can tell you that the scenes from all those movies of drill sergeants yelling at new recruits at the top of their lungs, blood vessels bulging out of their necks, are not far from the truth.

But that was later in the day. First, the 1,300-plus new students had shown up, many with parents and brothers and sisters in tow, and as an observer, it was hard to tell any difference between that scene and what you'd see at any college's first day.

Yet there was a sense of nervousness and seriousness palpable in the air. It was clear these new students were aware that they were in for something that would take their lives in a new and extremely difficult direction.

But you have to think it's what they wanted.

"I'm feeling a little, I'd say, anxious, nervous, and excited," said Joel Starkey, 18, of Atlanta. "I wanted to fly since I was in about third grade, and I want to be an officer in the military. I want to commit myself to something bigger."

Nearby, an interesting scene was under way. Twin girls were huddled with their family, and when I approached them, I discovered that the girls, Catherine and Irene Joyce, 18 and from Omaha, Neb., were joining up, as was their first cousin, Molly Bush. It turned out that Bush's father was an Academy graduate, as was her sister.

For Catherine Joyce, her first day at the academy--and whatever indignities it might bring--were clearly stepping stones to a career she seemed very certain she wanted.

"It's exciting and I'm honored, and it's a privilege to be here," Joyce said. "I learned about (the Academy) by visiting and speaking with cadets and officers, and everyone in the Air Force told me the best way to become an officer was to come to the Academy."

On the bus
I was allowed to ride one of the buses away from the intake hall and toward the actual grounds of the Academy. Onboard, the basic cadets looked tight and nervous. One of the more senior cadets had gotten on behind them and immediately began barking out commands to quickly find a seat. He leaned over to me at one point and whispered that "it's about to get loud." And then, without warning to the basic cadets, he began screaming out commands, telling them exactly where to hold their hands, not to speak unless spoken to, that they must recite the seven basic--and only--responses to questions they were now allowed and more.

"Have I made myself clear?" he bellowed.

"Yes, sir," the basic cadets called out.

"Have I made myself clear?" he shouted even louder.

"Yes, sir," they responded.

Soon, a woman cadet in the back of the bus began her own shouting, snidely calling out the names of West Point, Annapolis, and the Officer Candidates School, the officer training grounds of, respectively, the Army, Navy, and Marines. "Nobody even comes close," she yelled. "We are the service academy for the last superpower on the face of the planet. You have made the right choice."

By now, the bus had stopped. We were at our destination. But the door hadn't opened yet.

"If any of you are not a person of absolute integrity, stay on my bus," the first cadet hollered. "If you are not willing to sacrifice for your nation, stay on my bus. If you accept the minimum as your own personal standard, stay on my bus. If you are not ready to give your best...stay on my bus. (And) you'd better be ready to live up to the legacy in front of you...and that begins right now!"

With that, the doors opened, and the veteran cadets screamed some more, now ordering the newbies off the bus at an even higher volume than before (see video below).

The freshmen grabbed their gear and hustled off the bus. They ran to where a cluster of blue-uniformed cadets were waiting in front of a large mat emblazoned with footprints for them to stand on.

A fresh veteran cadet stood in front of the group of newbies and shouted out his commands. That they were to keep their feet each at a 22.5 degree angle from their head, meaning that their feet would be open at a 45 degree angle; that their hands should be held, cupped, at their sides, with their thumbs even with the seams of their pants. And then he ordered his cadre of veteran cadets to "correct" any mistakes they saw in how the new cadets were standing.

This, of course, was their excuse to loudly, energetically, and enthusiastically rush around and berate the newcomers. One by one, it seemed, they would be singled out and screamed at for this or that mistake (see video below). I could tell the veteran cadets were enjoying this, finally their opportunity to shift forward their revenge for when this happened to them two years ago.

It went on for a while, and then, finally and mercifully, it stopped, and the new cadets were ordered to grab their gear and head off up a ramp to begin the next rounds of processing.

Box Boy
For many associated with the Air Force Academy, the most memorable basic cadet of the day--and maybe ever--was a tall brown-haired kid who emerged from the bus lugging a giant box on his shoulders. The scene was absurd, and he was immediately set upon by several of the cadre, who shouted out things like, "Are you kidding me," and, "Did you bring your Xbox and your TV?"

This new cadet will forever be known as 'Box Boy,' since he arrived with this giant box. The veteran cadets who welcomed him did so with insults, derision and incredulity.

(Credit: Daniel Terdiman/CNET)

Box Boy, as he quickly began to be called throughout the Academy, had clearly miscalculated, and not only would he likely never live down the shame of having brought this giant box with him, but he'd also have to spend the entire rest of the day carrying the box on his shoulders, as basic cadets have to lug their gear with them the entire first day.

Another basic cadet also had attracted a huge amount of attention from the group. At one point, I counted at least seven cadets circled around him, screaming at him and yelling and belittling him. I asked someone why he'd been singled out, and was told that this particular basic cadet had somehow let it be known that he planned on being the first man on Mars, and that his time at the Academy was little more than a brief stepping stone on his way to glory as an astronaut.

He may be right. But on this day, he was just fresh meat, and a prime target for ridicule.

From there, the new cadets went on through several more procedural steps toward actually joining the Air Force. They got immunized, they got haircuts, and then they had to take their formal oath (see video below) to the service. They gathered in a conference room, stood up, repeated the oath as recited to them by a woman officer who, when finished, said simply, "Congratulations, you're now in the Air Force."

Hard to believe it was three years ago
While waiting in the room where the men were getting their hair cut, I came across Cadet First Class--meaning, a senior--Frank Mercurio. He was talking about the new basic cadets and what they must be feeling.

"I think they're real scared, real worried about how hard it's going to be," Mercurio said. "It's going to be the hardest thing they've ever done in their lives up to this point...The first day is so overwhelming. You just get things thrown at you and you can fold up like a deck of cards, or carry through."

I asked him if any of the new cadets ever backed out, and he said that in fact he'd heard that just today, one had gotten off the bus, made it to the mat with the footprints, and "turned right back around and got back on the bus."

It turns out that a few dozen of the basic cadets will end up dropping out or leaving for one reason or another, but most will stick it out and eventually become Air Force officers.

But all that seems so far away when, for the first time, they're sitting in a barber's chair, having their hair shaved off.

I stood and watched as several of the kids went under the razor, going from shaggy-headed to buzz-cut. And then, as one of them got up to leave, his barber, a cheery, flamboyant woman named Hannah Love, said, "Oh, look at how cute you are. Bye."

Correction at 7:10 a.m. PDT: The name of the Marines officers school has been fixed

For the next several weeks, Geek Gestalt will be on Road Trip 2009. After driving more than 12,000 miles in the Pacific Northwest, the Southwest and the Southeast over the last three years, I'll be writing about and photographing the best in technology, science, military, nature, aviation, and more in Colorado, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, and South Dakota. If you have a suggestion for someplace to visit, drop me a line. And in the meantime, join the Road Trip 2009 Facebook page and follow my Twitter feed.

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by Guppy June 26, 2009 5:17 AM PDT
Yeah, I'd be kicked out the first day. Only time someone yelling at me gets me to move faster is in some sport, especially racing. Plus I hear they don't appreciate sarcasm :-)
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by Malenx June 26, 2009 6:25 AM PDT
Yeah, and the system is designed specifically to kick prideful people out, big deal.

It's like being proud that you failed a psychological examination.
by Guppy June 26, 2009 9:02 AM PDT
It's not even a pride thing with me though. I am just extremely unmotivated, relaxed, and firmly believe that I would be the biggest waste in the military. You can't force someone to get motivated, no matter how loud you yell. My mom even told me that I should go in the military to try to improve my life. I laughed and told her I'd be wasting everybody's time, plus I'd be the ******* who would fight back if anyone (including superiors) decided I need a good crack upside the head, so I'd end up doing jailtime or something stupid. Not gonna bother wasting my time or theirs.
by mikeua89 June 26, 2009 10:18 AM PDT
Yes, I'm that way, too, but you know going in that you'll be yelled at. But if being in the military something you want to do, you take it and get through it. When I enlisted in the Air Force, I would look the drill instructor square in the eye when I was being scolded. I'm sure it didn't intimidate the instructor, but it gave me at least a small sense of power.
by Random_Walk June 26, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
Compared to what recruits used to get? Well - we'll leave it at that.

The whole trick is to break everyone down to a common denominator, then slowly build everyone back up as a team. Play the game right, and you'll have no troubles.

"...plus I'd be the ******* who would fight back if anyone (including superiors) decided I need a good crack upside the head, so I'd end up doing jailtime or something stupid."

Actually, I saw that once. Big guy decides he was going to show the drill instructor who was boss... It took exactly four-and-a-half seconds for the 5'5" DI to show the 6" 3" recruit exactly why the recruit was not going to win that argument. The recruit spent two days nursing a broken nose (it bounced off the pavement fairly hard...)

Now, note that they usually don't have to touch you - they simply punish the entire squad ("we get to run five more miles today in full gear, and nobody gets phone privileges tonight, all courtesy of Private AssHat here..."), and they make very sure that everyone knows it's your fault. Now you have numerous angry roommates to apologize to, if they let you. Heh - sleep tight, because no amount of badassery is going to slow down a couple of dozen angry human beings looking to take a strip out of your hide - especially at night when the DI ain't around to stop 'em.
by viper396 June 26, 2009 1:35 PM PDT
Guppy, thanksfully someone with your lack of motivation and low self-worth would never be given the oppotunity to go to the Air Force academy.
by Guppy June 26, 2009 10:11 PM PDT
Viper, it's not 'thankfully I would never be given the opportunity' because I promise you they'd take me. I just know that I would get kicked out rather quickly by simply driving people insane because of how I am, which is why I wouldn't TAKE the opportunity to join. It'd almost be like telling my high school english teacher, "just go ahead and give me the F now, ignore my attendance for the semester, and we won't get in each other's way." Besides my personality and my lack of motivation to do anything these days, everything else about me would fit in perfectly with any part of the military. School work is cake for me, I'm physically fit, high endurance (6 years of cross-country, 4 years high school varsity), and I am a very fast learner. ACT score 32. Guaranteed getting accepted would be easy for me, it'd be the part of staying in I couldn't make any promises.

Btw, I have plenty of self-worth, I am just struggling to figure out what I want to do with my life. Most career paths I've considered (teaching, meteorology, and computer tech) pay about the same, if not less, than what I currently make in a distribution center. So it seems pointless to me to spend all that time and money in school to come out making the same amount. I actually think highly of myself and my potential, it's just figuring out what that potential is and in what direction.
by ikramerica--2008 June 27, 2009 1:28 AM PDT
I had a friend in grad school who was kicked out of the Academy for all the reasons stated by the bus screamer. He clearly should have stayed on that bus. Nice guy though, just not officer material.
by Lerianis3 June 27, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
by Malenx June 26, 2009 6:25 AM PDT
Yeah, and the system is designed specifically to kick prideful people out, big deal.

It's like being proud that you failed a psychological examination.
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Prideful? No, this system is meant to tear people down and make them into kittens lapping at the teat of the military and brainwash them into believing everything the military wants them to believe.
The simple fact is that the military is, besides the religious institutions, the NUMBER ONE creator of sociopathic people who believe that doing ANYTHING in the name of 'protecting the homefront' is okay.... that's how we got the ******** going on in Abu Ghraib!

It's time to realize that the military in this country is NOT necessary in the slightest. It's not really necessary in ANY country and just gives idiots who get into power the means to try to force 'change' on other countries through military force, which NEVER WORKS.
by a_shadow June 27, 2009 6:54 PM PDT
"School work is cake for me, I'm physically fit, high endurance (6 years of cross-country, 4 years high school varsity), and I am a very fast learner. ACT score 32. Guaranteed getting accepted would be easy for me, it'd be the part of staying in I couldn't make any promises."

Yeah. And that places you within somewhat acceptable ranges numerically, but it's certainly no guarantee of acceptance. I know people with higher numbers who got rejected their first time around, and had to try again the next year.
by a_shadow June 27, 2009 6:54 PM PDT
"School work is cake for me, I'm physically fit, high endurance (6 years of cross-country, 4 years high school varsity), and I am a very fast learner. ACT score 32. Guaranteed getting accepted would be easy for me, it'd be the part of staying in I couldn't make any promises."

Yeah. And that places you within somewhat acceptable ranges numerically, but it's certainly no guarantee of acceptance. I know people with higher numbers who got rejected their first time around, and had to try again the next year.
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by loki_racer June 26, 2009 5:54 AM PDT
Not to downplay the value of the Air Force Academy, but I find it highly unlikely that senior cadets have any idea how hard other military academies are.

I'd also like to point out that Office Training School (OTS) is not a school for Marines. OTS is a school run by Marines for personnel attempting to become officers in the Navy. Officer Candidate School (OCS) is the Marine Corps school for personnel attempting to become Marine Corps officers.
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by natalieweinstein June 26, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
Thanks for noting that! We fixed it.
by June 26, 2009 8:57 AM PDT
Actually many cadets per year are traded to the other military academies for a semester and are very familiar with the difficulties and the programs that each offer.
by Major_Kev June 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
Natalie / loki_racer - you guys still have it wrong: Officer Cadidate School (OCS) is a course run for prospective officers who have a degree, but did not go through ROTC or one of the Service Academies. The Army, the Navy, and the Marines each have their own OCS at different locations. The Air Force version of OCS is called Officer Training School (OTS), but it is the same thing as OCS. Navy OCS is not "run by Marines", but has Marine Drill Instructors to handle the military education part of the course.
by USNAmom July 3, 2009 9:03 PM PDT
Marine Corps officers do not always come from Officer Candidate School. The US Naval Academy, the Platoon Leaders course, and Naval ROTC (Marine Corps option) are additional ways for a young man or woman to be commissioned as a Marine Corps 2nd Lt.
by krizhek June 26, 2009 5:54 AM PDT
Alot of respect for these guys who stick it thru. It a great honor to serve for the greatest Nation in the World.
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by unknown unknown June 26, 2009 12:37 PM PDT
lol
by Malenx June 26, 2009 6:20 AM PDT
This is just like air-force basic training, except we were yelled at the moment we got off the planes in a private terminal. It really hits the fan when you get on the bus and onto the base though.

It's just psychological testing. The harder to accept would be knowing that those yelling at you are only 2 years ahead of you, but the school is very much about rank. They drill it into the students, because they will be responsible for others lives. Reality is the system cannot fail, or people will die.
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by Lerianis3 June 27, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
No, it is not 'psychological testing'.... it is trying to BEAT SOMEONE DOWN TO THEIR BARE BONES and 'build them back up'.... which just makes for 'perfect little killers on orders', which is basically all the military is today: hired killers who kill for a buck.
by dkovalak June 30, 2009 10:20 PM PDT
Lerianis3,

You're kidding right? That is some of the most offensive ******** I've seen in a while. Are you in the military? How do you have the slightest clue what the military is? You have clearly demonstrated that your vast knowledge and understanding of the military is nearly on par with a lemur and you haven't a clue what "Service Before Self" truly means.

If you cannot add anything constructive to this discussion then please go find the nearest soldier and ask him/her what it means to them to be a soldier. Pull your head out of your ass and figure it out. The military is there, every day of the year, saving your ass. On Christmas, almost a million soldiers fight the fight instead of spending time with their families. Why do they do it?

For you and your freedom to speak out against them. Figure it out.
by cvaldes1831 June 26, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
You know, I don't know if any reality TV show, newspaper article series, or blog could top Kubrick's "Full Metal Jacket".
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by mistergray June 26, 2009 8:18 AM PDT
Times have changes since the Viet Nam era. Not as tough as it used to be. Still tough though, Marines will always be an elite fighting force.
by DK June 26, 2009 8:56 AM PDT
So are those rabid Dominionist pseudo Christian officers still trying to mind rape the cadets into converting. From what I've read about the Academy over the past few years it's tough to be a Jew or Catholic there.
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by June 26, 2009 9:03 AM PDT
The Academy is very specific about not allowing teachers to preach religion in the classroom. Catholics are actually the second largest population of cadets next to protestants and there are regular jewish services in a part of the chapel specifically intended for that purpose.
by albertdr June 26, 2009 9:35 AM PDT
Where did you read that? Can you post links?
by June 26, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
I am a cadet at the Air Force ACademy.. Actually I am a Catholic cadet. I am very familiar with the religious history of the Academy and am very proud to say that the environment has become entirely religion neutral. I have friends of all religions ranging from Bhuddism to baptist to jews to agnostics and athiests. All are accepted and treated equally.
by nafhan June 26, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
I'm guessing you aren't speaking from experience. The military in general has a pretty strict policy against proseletyzing on the job. My experience was that most of the cadets and instructors were not very religious. I only remember one professor even mentioning his religious background, and that was a comment along the lines of "after church I did such and such unrelated activity", definitely not proselityzing. I knew several Mormons there, and they seemed most likely to mention there religious background out of anyone I met.
As someone else mentioned, they hold services in addition to Protestent. Other religious services at the Academy that I remember were Catholic, Jewish, Mormon, Hindu, Muslim, and Buddhist.
by June 26, 2009 12:04 PM PDT
Here you go

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_1_123/ai_n16133178/

5 sec on google
by DK June 26, 2009 3:39 PM PDT
Maybe they've cleaned up the mess. I know from reports that it was taking on some of the characteristics of the religious fanatics we disdain in other countries. If you want more information you might want to check out

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
by DK June 26, 2009 3:47 PM PDT
And this from Harpers' Magazine:

When Barack Obama moved into the Oval Office in January, he inherited a military not just drained by a two-front war overseas but fighting a third battle on the home front, a subtle civil war over its own soul. On one side are the majority of military personnel, professionals who regardless of their faith or lack thereof simply want to get their jobs done; on the other is a small but powerful movement of Christian soldiers concentrated in the officer corps. There?s Major General Johnny A. Weida, who as commandant at the Air Force Academy made its National Day of Prayer services exclusively Christian, and also created a code for evangelical cadets: whenever Weida said, ?Airpower,? they were to respond ?Rock Sir!??a reference to Matthew 7:25. (The general told them that when non-evangelical cadets asked about the mysterious call-and-response, they should share the gospel.) There?s Major General Robert Caslen?commander of the 25th Infantry Division, a.k.a. ?Tropic Lightning??who in 2007 was found by a Pentagon inspector general?s report to have violated military ethics by appearing in uniform, along with six other senior Pentagon officers, in a video for the Christian Embassy, a fundamentalist ministry to Washington elites. There?s Lieutenant General Robert Van Antwerp, the Army chief of engineers, who has also lent his uniform to the Christian cause, both in a Trinity Broadcasting Network tribute to Christian soldiers called Red, White, and Blue Spectacular and at a 2003 Billy Graham rally?televised around the world on the Armed Forces Network?at which he declared the baptisms of 700 soldiers under his command evidence of the Lord?s plan to ?raise up a godly army.?

What men such as these have fomented is a quiet coup within the armed forces: not of generals encroaching on civilian rule but of religious authority displacing the military?s once staunchly secular code. Not a conspiracy but a cultural transformation, achieved gradually through promotions and prayer meetings, with personal faith replacing protocol according to the best intentions of commanders who conflate God with country. They see themselves not as subversives but as spiritual warriors??ambassadors for Christ in uniform,? according to Officers? Christian Fellowship; ?government paid missionaries,? according to Campus Crusade?s Military Ministry.

As a whole, the military is actually slightly less religious than the general population: 20 percent of the roughly 1.4 million active-duty personnel checked off a box for a 2008 Department of Defense survey that says ?no religious preference,? compared with the 16.1 percent of Americans who describe themselves as ?unaffiliated.? These ambivalent soldiers should not be confused with the actively irreligious, though. Only half of one percent of the military accepts the label ?atheist? or ?agnostic.? (Jews are even scarcer, accounting for only one servicemember in three hundred; Muslims are just one in four hundred.) Around 22 percent, meanwhile, identify themselves as affiliated with evangelical or Pentecostal denominations. But that number is misleading. It leaves out those attached to the traditional mainline denominations?about 7 percent of the military?who describe themselves as evangelical; George W. Bush, for instance, is a Methodist. Among the 19 percent of military members who are Roman Catholics, meanwhile, there is a small but vocal subset who tend politically to affiliate with conservative evangelicals. And then there is the 20 percent of the military who describe themselves simply as ?Christian,? a category that encompasses both those who give God little thought and the many evangelicals who reject denominational affiliation as divisive of the Body of Christ. ?I don?t like ?religion,?? a fundamentalist evangelical major told me. ?That?s what put my savior on the cross. The Pharisees.?

Within the fundamentalist front in the officer corps, the best organized group is Officers? Christian Fellowship, with 15,000 members active at 80 percent of military bases and an annual growth rate, in recent years, of 3 percent. Founded during World War II, OCF was for most of its history concerned mainly with the spiritual lives of those who sought it out, but since 9/11 it has moved in a more militant direction. According to the group?s current executive

Your can read the rest at http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
by DK June 26, 2009 4:12 PM PDT
And if you really want to get your panties in a twist check out the memorandum from Norman G. Lezy, Lieutenant General USAF, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Military Personnel Policy to the Chair of the Armed Forces Chaplains Board in which he describes material, originating with he head of an organization that supplies chaplains to the military, of promoting the idea of a military overthrow of the US Government.

Yes, it was dated 1997 but indications are that this kind of activity continues.

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/gates_letter.html
by think2bfree June 27, 2009 4:59 PM PDT
There was a religious prosthletetizing by instructors "scandal" at the Air Force Academy several years ago. What the comentor should remember is that what qualifies as a "scandal" at a U.S. military academy is a daily, weekly or monthly occurence at most public and private universities. Think of past national headlines about cheating or date rape at an academy. As the father of a cadet who is either agnostic or aetheist, I have never pressed her to define her beliefs, I can tell you that she has experienced no such problem. On the otherhand my other daughter, who attended a public state college was forced to sit through many hours of off subject political and philisophical tirades by wacked out tenured professors.
by a_shadow June 27, 2009 6:49 PM PDT
I'm guessing all you've ever read came from the MRFF. They're pretty far out of touch with the realities of USAFA, given all the stuff they're said when one of their speakers came out to talk to "balance the perspective" or whatever excuse they used to demand an audience. I'm a very recent grad, too, so I can speak to this.
by Dr_Zinj June 26, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
The USAF Academy is trying to instill a military mindset and commitment to young men and women while at the same time providing them the college education they are going to need. They are already fledgling leaders (you don't get nominated and selected for the academies unless you've previously proven that through school or community involvement.) The objective is to breakdown their personalities to the point that they retain the desired traits while eliminating the "me first" attitudes so prevelant in today's youth and so anti-thetical to military discipline, then have them built back up to functional people.

I had several cadets as roommates during their summer orientations at various bases I was stationed at. All were fine young men. However, they were definately warped personalities, and unable to function well in normal social or work settings. Second lieutenants fresh out of the academies usually take a year or two to mellow out and fit in. ROTC and OTS graduates are much more socially adept; but often lack that intense dedication to the service; except in the rare cases where they were prior enlisted. On the other hand, a some prior enlisted officers are real workaholics and occasionally forget that they are the leaders and directors and not the grease monkeys anymore.

The point is, all of these routes are necessary to produce a well-rounded officer corps.
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by Lerianis3 June 27, 2009 11:37 AM PDT
No, they aren't trying to 'install a military mindset and commitment'. They are trying to tear people down and turn them into the perfect amoral people who will do ANYTHING on orders, no matter how disgusting a normal person would find it, such as killing children while trying to kill other people.

The fact is that our military is NOT NECESSARY in the world today, and we are just creating warped people who will do anything 'in the name of protecting the homefront', which is how we got the problems in Abu Ghraib.
by airforce16 June 29, 2009 10:36 AM PDT
Lerianis, why do you continue to spew that psycho babble bullcrap and make subintelligent claims that a military is not necessary? You're only grounds for attack seem to be Abu Ghraib, which is a mere smudge caused by a SMALL group that lost sight of what so many of us hold in front of us. I am also a cadet at the Air Force Academy, and I can attest that the place does have its fair share of folks that do NOT belong there. These folks are the ones that cause such incidents like Abu Ghraib and other problematic issues facing our military, but like any system it has faults. I just love how the public opinion can shift when folks like yourself have forgotten why we have a military, perhaps 9/11 should have just faded into a distant memory, but while you continue to be wholesomely ungrateful, the men and women who live to serve this nation remember that day quite clearly. Perhaps when Pearl Harbor was bombed, we should have asked the Japanese government to please not do that again, but not to worry, there will be no repercussions if they do.

Everyone should have to serve military time in my opinion. I could have gone to any school I wanted, but a full ride to Purdue University was merely overshadowed by the chance to be a part of something that is bigger than anything I had ever witnessed. When my classmate falls, I pick them the hell back up and push them farther. And when I fall, they do the exact same thing. That is our first instinct, and had it been anywhere else, the case would not be so.

So toot and hoot your horn, but if and when the people of America need protection (YOU), myself, and countless others, will jump at the chance to serve...
by Dr_Zinj June 29, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
Lerianis3, amoral usually is accepted to mean utterly lacking in morals (either good or bad), neither moral nor immoral. (Immoral means not moral and connotes evil or licentious behavior.) I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Air Force, Army, and Naval academies do NOT attempt to turn anyone into amoral creatures.

The USAFA has an honor code ?WE WILL NOT LIE, STEAL, OR CHEAT, NOR TOLERATE AMONG US ANYONE WHO DOES.? which is a moral statement that cadets live or are expelled by. Members of the USAF as a whole are required to live by three core values: Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence in All We Do; which are also statements of morality. The US Army has seven core values: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, Personal Courage. The Navy has core values of Honor, Courage, and Commitment.

Military discipline requires that orders be obeyed unless they are known to be unlawful. Orders violating the laws of war are not lawful orders, even if issued by the President. Failure to obey even unlawful orders can have extremely grave consequences to a person, especially if they are junior enlisted as they do not have the power to protect themselves from betrayal of those higher in rank. Members of the military, officers or enlisted, are only human. Those people tried and convicted of attrocities at Abu Ghraib are no different than anyone else in the United States.

It is a well known fact that people placed in positions of absolute power over others will abuse their power and those they have power over. Lynndie England, Charles Graner, Megan Ambuhl, Sabrina Harman, Ivan Frederick, Jeremy Sivits, Roman Krol, Armin Cruz and Javal Davis were all junior enlisted members. They were all issued what they had reason to believe were lawful orders to do whatever was necessary to soften up the prisoners. None of them were powerful enough politically to avoid being the scapegoats of the Administration. Not a single officer was convicted by courts martial of any wrong doing. No civilian leader has been held responsible. You have a problem with the way the military acts, start with the people at the top on the civilian side, not the worker bees in uniform.

If you think the military is no longer necessary in the world today, then I invite you to get the heck out of the United States for a few years and go live in Ethiopia, Afghanistan, or North Korea.
by RompStar_420 June 26, 2009 10:20 AM PDT
I rather read science books and work on creating solutions than on how to get ready for War. We need protection just in-case, but the military is not for everyone, I would be kicked out the first day too. I am not proud, just have no interests in guns or war or killing people.
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by screamapillar June 28, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
One would hope that 'guns or war or killing people' isn't the motivation for those that join any arm of the military. They merely want to serve the community and the larger country - and in many cases, they get the opportunity to serve those less fortunate in the world in a very real and immediate impact way. Have a look at peacekeeper troops and aid deployment units whose whole job is just to protect the aid and the community from militant groups set on killing them. They do the job that many of us, for one reason or another, cannot. It is not about guns, war and killing - those things can happen as part of it, yes, but it isn't the goal or big picture outcome. Generally it is about avoiding war, minimising deaths, redistribution of food/wealth to those that are starving, etc.

Yes government policy fails the military too and the military has some old skeletons in its closet (and lets face it elephants in the room too) but the idea behind it is a glorious thing.
by shygeek June 26, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
I loved this article because it brought back memories of my arrival at Lackland Air Force Base for the
beginning of a eight-week "boot Camp". We were regular enlistees and arrived on base at 3 A.M. in
the morning and the situation was the same. The Drill Sergeants harangueing us and calling us
everything but God's child, trying to get us squared away and introducing us to " creamed-chipped beef
on toast", affectionately known as "s**t on a shingle", which we soon developed an affinity for.
Yes there was a lot of confusion that morning but we eventually got it together and graduated from
boot camp and later on from technical training. And to prove that you never lose your military bearing,
listing to the Cadre barking out commands almost made me "snap to". Again Cnet, thanks for the
memories.
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by nafhan June 26, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
Brings back memories. I stayed at USAFA for two years. That first day was exhausting, but it didn't really get to me until about 3 or 4 days in when I realized that it was going to continue (at least to some degree) for most of our freshman year, and it did continue.
As far as saying they are the best service academy... I'm sure they say the exact same thing at West Point and Annapolis!
Those kids have no idea what they are in for, but best of luck to them. Their lives are going to change for better and worse.
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by whycali June 26, 2009 12:16 PM PDT
Worst part is they go through this stressful, academically challenging school at an exhausting pace for 4 years and all they have really learned from this curriculum is to feel morally and mentally superior to their subordinates, which they seldom are. But hey, somebody has to be in charge.
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by USNAmom July 3, 2009 8:59 PM PDT
I can't comment about the development process at USAFA, but are flat-out wrong about US Naval Academy Midshipmen coming out thinking that they are morally and mentally superior to their subordinates. Navy Petty Officers and Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeants (who will eventually be their subordiates) are mentors in their USNA training, and some are teachers in courses like Seamanship and Navigation. Midshipmen spend part of the summer after their first and second academic years living with the enlisted crew members of a US Navy ship, to make sure they know what it feels like when someone higher up gives the orders. Those types of training help the Midshipmen understand that each member of the team is important, and that their enlisted personnel bring critical skills and knowledge to the team.
by unknown unknown June 26, 2009 12:36 PM PDT
Must be a slow news days if you're covering this.
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by setjeff15081947 June 26, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
Henkies out! All Henkies out! Back in the kitchen, where you belong, with a goodly supply of masking tape for your big, !@#$%^& mouths.
And "Box Boy", snap to! And I'll just bet you'll be the first Man-on-Mars ... and not Braggart-Boy!
Go Guys! and Henkies ... Go Home!
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by willdryden June 26, 2009 1:33 PM PDT
There is one thing the Academy fails to instill in their grads. That is a fear of death. They fly like idiots and leave their aircraft spred over 20 acres.
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by richwales June 26, 2009 7:59 PM PDT
Can someone PLEASE calmly and rationally explain to me why all this shouting, intimidation, and tyrannical power-tripping accomplishes anything truly useful? As far as I can see, such behavior brings out the worst in people, and it's downright rude, and it has no place in ANY civilized institution. I'm not trying to question the fortitude or the patriotism of the people in our armed forces, but this sort of stuff just seems WRONG to me, and it always has, and until/unless someone can come up with a reasoned and respectful justification, I believe this is the way I will always feel about it. This is one BIG reason I would NEVER support a resumption of the draft -- it's bad enough that people who volunteer for the military get subjected to this kind of mistreatment during basic training, but ABSOLUTELY NO ONE should EVER be FORCED to undergo such torture, PERIOD.
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by June 26, 2009 10:06 PM PDT
The idea of the shouting and intimidation is to induce stress. introducing future officers to stress in a safe environment and requiring them to perform complicated tasks under this stress will prepare them for combat situations in which performing successfully under intense amounts of stress will save peoples lives. many of the battles we send aour men and women to fight in arent exactly civilised situations and many of our enemies do not feel any restraint in using real torture to kill americans. personally, i prefer knowing that those leading me into battle already know how to perform under stress.
by Lerianis3 June 27, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
Little problem, second commenter: that doesn't work. The fact is that as richwales says, NONE OF THIS IS NECESSARY, period and done with!

This stuff does not have a place in any civilized institution, and it's about time to realize that UNTIL YOU ARE IN COMBAT, there is no freaking way to 'simulate the stresses of combat'. We would also do well to realize that there are a LOT of people like myself who would be very good in the military and who have VERY good codes of honor, yet would not stand this yelling at them for ONE FREAKING SECOND!
If a military person did that to me..... POW! Right in the jaw, laying his freaking ass out!
by think2bfree June 27, 2009 5:08 PM PDT
Seems like Lerianis3 went from being a passivist in previous comments to punching someone in the jaw. Your comments show such a small intellect I don't think you have to worry about what you might or might do in this case because you probably would have no chance of being accepted or perhaps you weren't and that's your beef. Whatever, ask the people of Tibet whether having a strong military is an important part of preserving freedom.
by screamapillar June 28, 2009 7:20 PM PDT
It is also instilling the concept of authority. Which is something a lot of people could use in this day and age. For example, a mother wants her child to obey her words without question - why? Kid playing with a ball in the front yard, ball bounces out to the road, kid runs after it - mother says 'stop'. Kid stops - stays alive. Kid doesn't respond to mother's authority - kid is dead. In addition, it establishes a heirachy for justice with siblings, they have a clear authority and escalation point. This leads to bonding of siblings. Lack of discipline is akin to child abuse and neglect. I won't go into that example further but if you are interested go look up neuroscience journals for the impact of this sort of neglect on brain development.

This is actually quite basic psychology that the military is utilising. It will put the cadet in a position of obeying their commanding officer even when an order may not make perfect sense. Why do we want that? Because time is often a major issue in a combat situation and there isn't enough of it to detail the whole big picture and the little part cadet A will play. By mimicking the process used naturally during parenting, it allows the cadets to bond (as they've all gone through the same experience with the same authority figure) as well as providing that authority structure.

Yes the yelling seems harsh, but it is something most cadets look back on with a degree of fondness as it helped build them into the stronger, more resilient people they are today.

Your pride, Lerianis3, is a real problem for which you may want to seek professional help - particularly when you think violence is justified in the face of a well documented process that you would've signed up for (ie being yelled at - the cadet signed up for that and doesn't walk in expecting to be handled with cotton wool).

The military serve many functions outside of war and those sensationalised in the media. I for one am an avid passifist and it is for that reason I believe the military are a necessary component of any free country. To expect freedom to be free is ignorance at its most frightening.
by airforce16 June 29, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
They tell us to always be observant of the leadership traits being displayed all around us. This is so that the next year, and following years, those numerous traits can be blended into "our" own style. Not every style works, but that is why it is introduced at a controlled environment, so that corrections can be made by the officer that is put in charge of each individual squadron.

Military discipline would do some good on a huge portion of today's society, especially the youth, and I am part of that youth. It is not torture nor is it cruel. When it is over, everyone will be different, but I never lost my true personality. And to say that you have made it through the toughtest weeks of your life, that builds character.

And now were punching people in the JAW? Enjoy one of two responses, getting the livin' crap kicked out of you for being an idiot (not allowed at the academy), or assault charges being filed against you and an entire wasted day that got you nothing but a criminal record or a disfigured face to show for it, either way, your military days would be over. :)
by marc 2 June 27, 2009 12:56 PM PDT
4 years in the Air Force in the '50's. Nothing has changed since the roman legions. The System works

Working in the civilian world for 40+ years, I could always tell which of my fellow workers had been thru the system. The training lasts for the rest of your life, and you will be better for it.

Marc
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by partner3 June 27, 2009 1:15 PM PDT
This kind of idiocy would not be permitted at Starfleet Academy.
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by hawgs0 June 29, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
From a personal standpoint, the Academy experience is nothing like many of the posts here accuse it of.
Yes, you are 'stripped down to the essentials, and built back up'; You don't lose 'self', but I'll have to admit
it gave me a better 'self'. Changed my core? Nope, still gay, still as liberal as Obama (more, probably), even became a 'secular humanist' while I was a cadet, and often a smartass when I saw things I didn't agree with ; but the experience taught me much.
There, I learned the real meaning of service before self, learned how to be a leader that moved into my life as a civilian, had an opportunity to serve and protect our nation and made a group of lifetime friends that I'll challenge anyone, anywhere to equal. Despite being
'different' than most of my classmates (indeed, most of them are quite religious and conservative), but in spite of that, their friendship and support in good times, and bad, has been 100%. 35 years and counting, I've been to back for every reunion and from what I can see, the system
continues to produce good, quality leaders that are anything but stamped out copies of one another....
For those of you that posted things like ' I couldn't make it there' ...hey, I was a smartass too. I didn't agree with everything I was fed, and often made it clear (and yeah, usually paid dearly for it ).
But I wouldn't trade the Academy experience for anything. Or trade the loyal and lifetime friends
I went through it with. Take that to the bank.
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by YarkElf July 27, 2009 7:29 PM PDT
screamapillar: I just wanted to correct your comment concerning the Abu Ghraib incident. I recently received resistance training and we discussed the issue. The events that occurred at Abu Ghraib were not governmentally or militarily sanctioned. Rather the event was caused by those individuals taking matters into their own hands and abusing their power. The reason it was such a concerning issue is because simply no one stopped them and there was no check on their power.
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