June 18, 2009 12:00 PM PDT

Crowdsourcing a video game's design

by Daniel Terdiman
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Roundhouse Interactive and Frima Studio are partnering to create what might be the first community-designed console game.

(Credit: Roundhouse Interactive)

Laughing in the face of the concepts of the "tragedy of the commons" and "don't-design-by-committee," a game publisher has decided to put nearly all of the design decisions for a forthcoming console video game in the hands of a large-scale community of users.

The publisher, Roundhouse Interactive, says it will work with programming partner Frima Studio, but will rely mainly on the whims of a potentially six-figure-large community for the major decisions in the game's creation. The game, which is currently going by the code name The Game Cartel, is expected to be a console game available in December 2010.

In the first interview Roundhouse has given on the subject, Mike Montanaro, the president of Roundhouse Interactive, talked to CNET News about the project, the challenges it faces, and why this project could change the way the games industry puts out new products.

To hear Montanaro tell it, The Game Cartel project--the community itself will be known as the Game Cartel--will allow the community to have a major say on just about every single important decision about the game. And that includes its name. The process is expected to begin sometime during the summer.

"It's going to be a democratic voting system and society," Montanaro said. "We place a bunch of ideas out to the cartel members, and they get to decide the direction it goes, everything from the name of the game straight to what platform, the genre of the game, storylines, playability (and) controls. We're going to guide the consumer through the full development of the game."

One goal of the project, he added, is that Roundhouse hopes to give the average game consumer a view inside the development process that he or she has never had before, "the behind-the-scenes of how a game is made."

"It's going to be a democratic voting system and society...We place a bunch of ideas out to the cartel members, and they get to decide the direction it goes.
--Mike Montanaro, president, Roundhouse Interactive

The idea is that at every step of the way, cartel members will be presented with a number of options--between five and eight--that they can vote on. The decision of the majority will rule, and as the programmers, Frima will implement those choices at every milestone. "We'll take that direction to the next level, and then open up another round (of choices) and ultimately create a game that is truly decided on by the members themselves," Montanaro said. "It basically gives gamers the opportunity to participate in the creation and direction of a full-scale game."

To begin with, those interested in joining the cartel will be asked to pay a $50 upfront fee that will guarantee them a copy of the game, as well as a series of incentives to participate at every step of the process. Montanaro said the more people get involved--in voting, and in regular discussions on the cartel's forums, on Facebook and in other venues--the more they will be rewarded. They'll also get their names listed in the game credits.

Further, Roundhouse hopes that within the community of cartel members, subgroups will form around specific directions members want to see the game take. Some, for example, may feel strongly that the game should be a first-person shooter, and may be willing to fight for that. Others may see it differently and argue for a different genre. The same will be true, the publisher hopes, at each step of the process.

Montanaro said Roundhouse is hoping to attract as many as 100,000 people to the cartel, figuring that that is enough people to provide a solid brain trust, but not too many to overwhelm the process. As well, of course, at $50 a pop, 100,000 members would mean a hefty $5 million in the bank, up front, for Roundhouse. And, given that Roundhouse hopes to keep the development budget to about $3 million, that would mean a nice profit from the get-go.

Of course, one could ask whether anyone, let alone 100,000 people, will reasonably be willing to pay $50 upfront for a game that won't be published for a year-and-a-half. But Montanaro said Roundhouse has run the number up the flagpole and he insisted that for a lot of gamers, $50 is an appropriate price to pay for getting "elite status" on a project like this. "They don't want it to be something that just anybody can be a part of."

That means, he added, that if Roundhouse can indeed sign up 100,000 cartel members, the list would be officially closed, and everyone else would have to wait for the game to publish to play it or be involved in any way.

To be sure, that's a very optimistic perspective and plan, and there's no way to know yet if Roundhouse is deluding itself or others in thinking that people really will be willing to pony up half a Benjamin for the right to be involved. There seems to be no precedent for such a project, and given the state of the economy, one has to wonder whether gamers--who have, in spite of the recession, proven they've still got the scratch to pay for the games they want--have the funds to pay for a role in such a project.

If it works, however, Roundhouse will have staked out a place in the industry that could pave the way for a lot of copycats. One reason is that the development of console games can often be a $20 million prospect these days, and for a publisher to put out such a game on a $3 million or so budget--Roundhouse is betting that the cartel members would serve as enthusiastic evangelists, saving the company money on marketing, not to mention that the cartel would pay for the right to be part of the development process, normally a very costly line item--would be a very attractive model. Further, said Montanaro, the project offers game consumers and the industry itself an antidote to the problem of never-ending sequels, franchise games, and a general lack of creativity.

Too many cooks?
On the other hand, the project risks drowning in input from too many captains. It's hard to imagine how a cohesive game could come out of such a massive development-by-committee project. Particularly when there's no advance road map. But Montanaro said that is one of the appealing elements of the project, and that Roundhouse is already thinking about a second, and third, go-round.

Still, Roundhouse isn't handing the reins entirely over to the community. Rather, it is employing what it calls a "celebrity" panel of arbiter judges who will help guide the community through the decision-making processes. Plus, one would expect that Frima will apply its development expertise to sticky situations caused by the community's choices, whatever they may be.

Whatever happens, Roundhouse has guaranteed that people will be watching what happens with the project. If it succeeds, it will surely be much copied. If it fails, Roundhouse can argue that it was a (fairly) inexpensive experiment that was worth trying. Whatever happens, one imagines that the discussions over what happens at each step along the way will be highly entertaining.

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Daniel Terdiman is a staff writer at CNET News covering games, Net culture, and everything in between. E-mail Daniel.
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by krizhek June 18, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
Can I put $50 down on them overriding when the last boss end up being Stephen Colbert?
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by gsigas June 18, 2009 12:58 PM PDT
I imagine plenty of people would be willing to spend the $50, but I doubt it would be more than 10,000 people. I like the concept as an alternative way to help fund game development.
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by deepcrow June 18, 2009 1:02 PM PDT
This is gonna take some big time marketing to get off the ground. Someone who plonks down $50 will want the game to go the direction they want, and eventually if the votes go the wrong way for them enough times, they are gonna want their money back. Because of this, anyone who puts in about 10 seconds of thought into the whole process won't put up their money in the first place. The devs are going to need to put up some big time guarantees to get this project rolling.... IE "money back guarantee if you lose 5 votes within a week" or something similar. And then even if they do that, they will have to figure how many people they will have to redeem in their profitability calculation. IE 100,000 people but only 50,000 stay on = 2.5mm which means a $500,000 loss on 1.5 years of your life
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by Sourdust June 18, 2009 4:40 PM PDT
What will they do if a majority of participants get frustrated with the direction the game goes and decide to get their moneys worth by sabotaging the game? If the participant agreement says that the board can override the majority to prevent this situation then fewer people will participate.
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by DannyMD June 19, 2009 1:21 AM PDT
It's really sad the quality of writer at CNET has been declining over the years. The amount of mistakes and lack of research is really pitiful.

"There seems to be no precedent for such a project,"... hum i wonder what David Perry 'sTop Secret project was all about. Hum... I wonder!!!

Do your research mate. This has been done before and failed spectacularly.

So the answer the question. No 100.000 people will not be designing the game. 100.000 people might sign up, but about a dozen will be making all the final decisions, and actually designing the game. Crowdsourcing does not work for game design.
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by lance77777 June 19, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
I agree that this is only for a small club of people who will pay their 50$.

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by Commd June 19, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
You know what else functions as a committee? Government. Raise your hand if you think your government is doing a good job.

The problem here is that making games is as much a creative process as it is an engineering problem. Take, for example, going to a fancy restaurant. Do you want the patrons arguing about how your steak is going to be made, this information is then filtered through to a few sous chefs who then decide how your food is going to made using the decision making strategy of "making the least amount of people unhappy" or do you want the expert, the chef, deciding ahead of time how each dish is to be made and then his non-celebrity experts prepare the food?

Either you'll get a watered down mish-mash of first person-over-the-shoulder-GTA-sandbox-shooter-also-spiderman-super-powers-in-the-middle-east-fighting-terrorist-also-maybe-Osama-and-Saddam-underwater-and-finding-the-lost-treasure-of-the-arc-of-the-covenant-and-the-lead-is-a-big-breasted-treasure-super-model-from-the-future-in-tight-shorts. Or you'll get a game no at all designed by the fans because fans are fickle trend-chasers.

My suspicion is that Roundhouse is actually bereft of any ideas and is hoping that someone will do the creative work for them and cash in on the "recession proof" game industry.

I predict shovelware.
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by RoundHouse-Interactive June 22, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
As noted above, the game will have to be heavily marketed to make this concept viable, and to ensure it's ongoing survival as a true alternate to traditional game play. It is important that we show the gamers the value they get above and beyond game participation for their trusted investment. So where the fist game may be cheap to develop at 3 million+, there will be upfront marketing expenses to geneate that kind of interest. We see this as more of a break-even game changer than a money play as the article may read to some.
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by November 19, 2009 8:33 PM PST
Please correct your article, it is NOT likely to be some console game. The way voting is going now, it will likely be a multiplatform release focusing on the PC platform, with a port to a yet-to-be determined console. Being a paid member of the Cartel, my vote will be 100% PC and will devote all my persuasive ability to pushing the Cartel towards a PC release.

With that being said, I'm really looking forward to working with the Cartel on making a truly unique game in a market of re-makes, sequels, and shovelware.
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by ruby1235 December 8, 2009 7:43 AM PST
Please don't make the mistake I made and numerous others have made. This is a total scam! They are taking money and will release a horrible game and walk away with the profits. Someone working on the project told me that there are numerous 'plants' in the forums driving the direction of the game. They are staying away from costly and complicated features so they can save money. Just look at the new direction - what was initially an XBOX game is now a PC game? The list goes on and on.
The company behind it claims to have released games before but really never has. They also claim this game will be out 1 year from now. Anyone who has ever worked in the industry can tell you that a QUALITY game can not be made that fast, especially seeing as the direction has yet to be established.

At the end of the day it is your money and feel free to spend it as you see fit but please be careful. It is scams like this which hurt the industry and the notion of crowdsourcing.
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