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August 23, 2008 10:32 PM PDT

Sarah Lacy takes on Gnomedex

by Daniel Terdiman

Tech journalist and author Sarah Lacy listens to a question from a Gnomedex participant during her presentation at the Seattle conference Saturday.

(Credit: Daniel Terdiman/CNET News)

SEATTLE--Since there is significant attendee crossover between the Gnomedex conference here and the South by Southwest (SXSW) festival in Austin, Texas, it's safe to say that when Sarah Lacy took the stage Saturday, a lot of the audience had some pretty strong memories of the last time they'd seen her.

Last March, it was Lacy whose SXSW keynote interview of Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg ended up in a Twitter-fueled mutiny by the audience. Many on hand in Austin had felt she conducted that session in an overtly flirty and self-promotional style that left little room for participation from a crowd eager to interact with the young billionaire.

With that recent history, then, the packed house on hand for Lacy's Gnomedex talk Saturday, "What happens when you get what you want: The growing blogosphere angst," was keyed up and wondering what kind of fireworks might erupt this time around.

And fireworks there were, though they came from uber-blogger Robert Scoble, who at one point during the session oddly got up out of his seat near the front of the auditorium and marched toward the back of the room to tensely confront author and entrepreneur Geoff Livingston.

But more on that later.

To her credit, Lacy, a journalist and author, eschewed the normal kind of conference presentation and instead chose to walk around the auditorium letting attendees ask and answer questions related to her topic. And while there were some in the room and online who expressed frustration with her subject matter and style, the crowd was extremely engaged, almost always a good thing, at least from the perspective of conference organizers. When it was over, Lacy got an energetic ovation.

Lacy began the session by posing the theory that in some ways, the PR industry has co-opted blogging--taking advantage of the fact that many bloggers trying to earn a living are so eager for page views that they will post just about anything they are spoon-fed.

Her theme was that because of that co-opting, blogging as a medium has become less and less distinguishable from technology journalism, as bloggers and traditional reporters alike find themselves too worried about pumping out content to focus on meeting people and finding good stories.

And while that is a well-established pattern among mainstream technology journalists, Lacy suggested, it's a growing--and unfortunate trend in the blogosphere.

As a result, she argued that some prominent bloggers are saying they've had enough and abandoning the medium.

Scoble is one such person she singled out, and given a chance to share his thoughts, he said that working with an ever-increasing number of unprofessional PR people has turned him off.

Still, some in the audience said they feel that people get too caught up in the specific word, "blog," and that people shouldn't try to "pin" down what the term means.

In contrast to the famous keynote interview she did with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg last March at SXSW, Lacy decided to spend much of her time Saturday engaging directly with the audience.

(Credit: Daniel Terdiman/CNET News)

"I just look at each one as an individual case," one person in the audience said. "People have blogs that become very popular....Maybe blogging is just the activity of posting content to the Web. Some blogs are journalism and some aren't."

Others agreed, saying that the problem is that while the architecture of blogging is fairly standard, what people do with it can be quite different: Some may write a small personal blog and TechCrunch may be a large media company, but both use similar tools and are therefore lumped together to the detriment of the terminology.

Lacy wanted one major focus of the discussion to be what bloggers need to do to, on the one hand, make money with their sites, and on the other, to build scalable community around quality.

To that point, one audience member agreed that the point is that community follows quality.

"It's about keeping an audience," the speaker said. "(Gnomedex founder) Chris Pirillo is good at keeping an audience. Why? Because he writes good (stuff). Either you write good (stuff) or you write crap. Bottom line."

The blog as loss leader
To Lacy, who wanted to continue talking about whether bloggers could make money using their sites, one point was that some people--herself included--may find that the blog itself is itself not a direct moneymaker but rather a means to an end.

"I consider my blog a loss leader for my other businesses," Lacy, who does some consulting and gives paid speeches in addition to her professional writing, said. "I do all of those things, but ultimately my blog is the heart of it."

In other words, she was saying that, in her opinion, her blog--which may not itself generate much income directly--builds the community that creates lucrative business for her elsewhere.

And that, she suggested, is precisely the point. By not worrying whether her blog is making money, she is free to write what she wants and not be concerned with how much traffic she gets--in that medium, at least.

Charlene Li, a well-known blogger who until recently was an analyst with Forrester Research, agreed.

"From the beginning of my blog (in 2004, I decided) it's not about driving traffic, it's about driving influence," Li said. "From the beginning, I said I wasn't going to overblog, I was only going to blog when I had something to say."

And because she's developed significant influence, she says even abandoning her official Forrester blog hasn't cost her her community.

"What's amazing to me," Li continued, "is that the audience is starting to follow me....It's really about people wanting to hear what I have to say."

A tense moment
By now, for reasons that were not entirely clear, the room had started to get very charged up. Afterward, people told me they couldn't understand why the tension had ratcheted up, but some of it seemed to have to do with the definition of the terms and whether some people thought the discussion itself was much ado about nothing.

Livingston argued that the people in the room who were debating the question--Lacy, Li, Scoble and others, were "people who already have influential positions."

And that's when the really odd developments began.

"Why should the average Joe Metroblogger care," Livingston asked.

Lacy suggested that there were plenty of people wanting to make a living as bloggers and that these questions were germane to them. Livingston seemed unconvinced.

But at that point, Scoble came marching up the aisle toward Livingston's row with a head of steam.

"When I was first coming to Gnomedex (in 2001)," Scoble said, "I was a nobody."

It was hard to follow exactly what happened next, for me at least, because I was stunned that Scoble had felt he couldn't make his point from his seat.

Suffice it to say that he and Livingston had words, disagreeing with each other's points. Finally, Scoble turned around and walked back to his seat, muttering, "That's (B.S.)"

From here, the conversation seemed to stall. Discussion continued for a bit longer, but it mainly was more people making the same points that had already been made.

Lacy said she wanted to change the topic to talk about new technologies that could be used for better blog commenting systems, but time was running out and there were still people who wanted to keep the discussion on the same track.

It still wasn't entirely clear why there had been so much tension, or precisely what people had been arguing about. For Pirillo, though, there's no doubt the experiment--having Lacy and the history of the SXSW imbroglio that she brought--paid off due to the engaged audience, and even the tense moment between Scoble and Livingston.

As Pirillo told me the night before Gnomedex started, what conference organizer wouldn't want that controversy.

Daniel Terdiman is a staff writer at CNET News covering games, Net culture, and everything in between. E-mail Daniel.
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by drewolanoffd August 23, 2008 11:53 PM PDT
That's actually not what happened with Robert. I poked him and suggested he go speak to him one on one basis since this presentation was in the style of a blog. Robert was being referred to as some higher power, and to show that he's just a normal guy, he came up to talk personally.
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by douglasdooley August 24, 2008 1:42 AM PDT
although i have her book in my bag, and can't seem to get out of Chapter 1, as Web 2.0 crud bores me compared with enterprise software, is there any longer any doubt that Sarah Lacy runs the industry...

she made Zuck look like the little punk-kid that he is, i will not forget him pouting about the questions she was asking, like he was above it all, what a worthless business-child, though i'm signed in to Facebook as i type...

with this performance, I hope sarah writes a new book ab/ something worthy of her talents and insights...
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by Geoff Livingston August 24, 2008 6:06 AM PDT
That's an interesting accounting, Drew. It was with respect that I mentioned Scoble, but it was with oversensitivity that he answered. He and I actually had a long discussion afterwards as he misinterpreted my words as being personal.

As to my points, moreon that tomorrow. But Lacy's performance demonstrated several weaknesses, and an over reliance on a journalism career that's over. Further, her topic was dated, and demonstrated a lack of actual social media experience. It was the usual Valley A-List schmooze, and none of us were interested.
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by egockel70 August 24, 2008 7:36 AM PDT
@Geoff,

"It was the usual Valley A-List schmooze, and none of us were interested."

then why were you there? Make a statement and don't attend.
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by ddmcd August 24, 2008 8:20 AM PDT
Interesting that no mention is made here of the fact that there was also plenty of Twitter traffic going on during Lacy's presentation, Livingston being a key contributor.

The silly Scoble-Livingston celebrity encounter story is another reason why blogging is starting to look to some people like another co-opted branch of PR. That's too bad.
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by Daniel Terdiman August 24, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
I made a subtle reference to the online traffic, but decided against delving into that because I wanted to focus on what was being said out loud. But it's a good point, especially in the context of what happened at SXSW.
by ddmcd August 24, 2008 8:20 AM PDT
Interesting that no mention is made here of the fact that there was also plenty of Twitter traffic going on during Lacy's presentation, Livingston being a key contributor.

The silly Scoble-Livingston celebrity encounter story is another reason why blogging is starting to look to some people like another co-opted branch of PR. That's too bad.
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by merylteri August 24, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
No different than MSM, we do love a good fight. This seems to be much ado about nothing. Whatever one thinks of Sarah Lacy, she did a bang up job introducing a topic that is turned out to be both interesting & surprisingly controversial. I think the POVs expressed are worth pondering. Many seem to agree that blogging is a tool that can be used in many ways. Let's each try to go beyond who is *right* and who is *wrong*,and see how the ideas & suggestions can be used to further our purposes for business, for social welfare , for personal expression-- or whatever.
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by Daniel Terdiman August 24, 2008 10:40 AM PDT
Interesting. Thanks for pointing this out. However, from my vantage point, Scoble looked upset and there's no doubt that by the time he walked away, he was definitely upset.

Still, it's hard to interpret these things in the moment, as they unfold so quickly.
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by Geoff Livingston August 24, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
@egockel70 As a business owner, I do not attend events for sheer joy. I do not have enough time for that. I was there to conduct business on behalf of my client, network, and hold three new business meetings.

In between, I attended sessions, and stated my differing view, both on Twitter and in person. As someone who shelled out well over $2000 in travel, room, board and registration expenses, I feel like that's my right.

@ddmcd I don't see myself as a celeb. Comparing me to Scoble as a celebrity encounter is like comparing Manny Ramirez to a double A player. Same game, but not the same thing.
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by Jeff Putz August 24, 2008 12:20 PM PDT
Am I the only one who thinks that the same two dozen people who talk about this stuff are living for attention, and ultimately are becoming exactly the mainstream media they say they're replacing?
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by The_Decider August 24, 2008 3:30 PM PDT
What do you expect from a room full of people who make their living under the most pretentious, meaningless word around?

Intelligent discourse?
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by Mr. Dee August 24, 2008 6:44 PM PDT
What kinda good stuff does Pirillo write? Its the Gnome Forums with its multiple contributors. Chris Pirillo discuss the most irrelevant topics in blogsphere and he simply knows when to hitch on to a popular topic and scratch it till its worthless. Mac vs. PC, Leopard vs. Vista. But he doesn't offer any technical acumen when it comes to the topics, nothing of use to the reader or listener.
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by kegill August 24, 2008 10:25 PM PDT
Even the cNet article misses a key point: "blogger" is a meaningless phrase, as it rests solely on the technology. A person on LiveJournal writing for her friends is a "blogger" -- so are my students who use Wordpress to complete university assignments. So is a journalist -- citizen or paid -- who uses a blogging platform for publishing.

"Blogger" is a so-what term.

Much of the conversation Saturday morning revolved around "journalism" -- although no one seemed to want to use the word, including Sarah (except when she was talking about herself as a "tech journalist"). There were questions about ethics (that word wasn't used, either) and the advertising/editorial tension that's always going to be present when writing is accompanied by money.

NONE of these issues are new. Well, they aren't new to "journalism" ... paid or citizen ... although they certainly sounded new to "technical journalists."

The lead journalist ( blogger) for the West Seattle Blog sent me a tweet pointing to the June Media Giraffe Project as an example of a recent conference where these issues were discussed and called by their name.

The fact is that everyone is NOT motivated by money (see Wikipedia) ... that "bloggers" who want to be journalists who are paid are going to have to exercise ethical judgment (dealing with PR, for example) or else they'll lose their readers and their PR sponsors ... and that it's long past time to stop talking about the blog-space as though it's a homogeneous whole. It's not. Neither is your library. Or your cable (or satellite) TV line up. Or, come to think of it, YouTube.
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by penmachine.com August 25, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
It's actually a pity this story is the high-profile one of the conference, because while it was fine, it was the most average of the whole event.

I think the reason the room got testy is that, the previous day, Gnomedex saw some genuinely inspirational, important, and different stuff (and would again later this day). The whole "oh woe the blogosphere" subject in the discussion Lacy led was what we felt Gnomedex 2008 had managed to get away from, until this point. That argument, in some form, had already happened in previous years, where it had soured some sessions. It was worn out.

And especially after a talk about raising funds for Cambodian orphans, and before another about exploring Mars, angst about trying to monetize blogs seemed not only tired, but almost obscenely parochial. For man of us, THAT was the issue.

Can we see some more stories about what else happened at Gnomedex 8? Almost all of it was better.
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