June 24, 2008 6:56 AM PDT

Kid Rock's surprising take on illegal downloading

Kid Rock's sarcastic "just do it" YouTube rant on illegal downloading is funny and makes the point--illegal downloading is stealing. With a smile on his face Rock says, "I'm rich," so sure it's OK to steal my music. Oh, and while you're at it, "Steal everything." Steal an iPod, Steve Jobs is a billionaire, he'll never miss it. Get yourself a Toyota, "They're foreign" and the gas too, "You know how much money the oil companies make?" Rock shrugs it all off, "They're not going to miss $30 or $40 worth of gas." (Full video after the jump.)

Rock exaggerates to make the message is super clear, illegal downloading is stealing. At the end of the video he takes a long drag on his cigar and says "Stay in school and stay off the drugs." I will add that buying an iTune certainly isn't stealing, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Don Reisinger's recent blog, "The music industry abuses us and we're to blame" brilliantly illustrates the point. When you legally download music, you don't really own anything. Or as Reisinger put it, "When you 'buy' a song on iTunes, you're not really buying it. Instead, you're acquiring the license to listen to a song that can be taken away from you at any moment, can't be sent anywhere you'd like for it to be, and is subject to draconian copyright laws that see you paying too much for too little."

Come on people, wake up and buy CDs, LPs, or DRM-free downloads.

Recent posts from The Audiophiliac
The Audacity of Hope, Ark.: The $20,000 Klipsch Palladium P-39F speaker
Dolby Volume: The cure for uneven volume from TV, movies, and music
Two micro-mini satellite/subwoofer systems belt out big sounds!
Deflating overrated superstars, starting with Eric Clapton!
Multiple subwoofers: If one's good, two are even better
Add a Comment (Log in or register) 29 comments (Showing first 20 comments)
by hybridmachine June 24, 2008 7:21 AM PDT
When buying CDs/LPs/Tapes/etc you never bought the music, just the medium and a license to play the music privately. iTunes is no different except there is no physical media and it is theoretically easier to revoke your license to play the music. To get around that just burn your iTunes tracks to an audio CD and you're set. Once you do that you'll have media that you own with music you have licensed, just like in the past.
Reply to this comment View reply
by ryanmicj June 24, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
Or just do what the article says, buy DRM-free music. People shouldn't need to take needless steps, such as burning tracks to a CD, then re-ripping them in order to be able to listen to their music when and how they see fit.

Amazon sells all of their music DRM-free. As do other sites. Buy from them, not Apple.
Reply to this comment View reply
by LunaticSX June 24, 2008 7:55 AM PDT
"paying too much for too little"

Uh, what service pioneered reasonable priced, flat rate, non-subscription downloads that you didn't need to pay extra to burn to a CD, and allowed you to burn it as many times as you liked, and copy it to as many devices as you liked? (Sure, they're all devices from the same company, but with non-DRM-free music EVERYONE has ties to specific hardware.)

Which was the FIRST service to pioneer DRM-free downloads?

C'mon, before trying to beat up on that fruit company, realize that without them, we'd be stuck with the joys of *NO* DRM-free downloads, and a myriad of only semi-compatible, highly onerous DRM-laden music files.
Reply to this comment View reply
by squished June 24, 2008 8:08 AM PDT
When your employer direct deposits your paycheck to your bank, there's nothing tangible exchanged. No cash, paper check, or gold. Yet we *trust* the money deposited in the form of binary code will be there to spend when we need it. And that's exactly the issue with DRM. It's worth only as much as our *trust* that it will be playable years down the road as we expected at time of purchase. We don't trust iTunes because it's controlled by one company and who knows if they'll still be in business to support us in 2020. Most likely they will but I'm not willing to gamble $1000 of downloads on it. For now I prefer leased access to millions of songs for just $12/mo. For a relatively small price, I don't expect it to be playable next month unless I pay just another $12. No lock in, they don't own me. I get to play just about everything out there.
Reply to this comment
by rfelgueiras June 24, 2008 8:11 AM PDT
"When you 'buy' a song on iTunes, you're not really buying it. Instead, you're acquiring the license to listen to a song that can be taken away from you at any moment, can't be sent anywhere you'd like for it to be, and is subject to draconian copyright laws that see you paying too much for too little."

not true. you can burn the track(s) to a disk, which is not only allowed under apple's drm but recommend that you use this method to back up your purchase. Under fair play rules you can burn the same playlist (re: album) seven times. How many legal copies on one album do you need?

kid rock is an idiot. I know he's trying to go "over the top" with this "ironic" rant but the fact of the matter is he's just being the record company's b!tch. Both artists AND customers are getting screwed by the companies. He should be standing up against the execs and fighting for more of the money they are owed instead of treating his fans like stupid children. Luckily he hasn't been cool in a long time so this will die soon.
Reply to this comment
by thedreaming June 24, 2008 8:27 AM PDT
45s, LPs, 8-Tracks, Casettes and CDs sold music in the billions and all without DRM. I guess that's a fact that the record industry has forgotten. No one likes DRM and the fact that itunes, napster, zune marketplace and others are offering drm-free downloads shows this. They should just take the plunge, remove drm completely and see what happens.
Reply to this comment View reply
by FellowConspirator June 24, 2008 8:29 AM PDT
It's not stealing. Kid Rock's a fool, not a lawyer, so he can be excused. It's what the legal profession calls copyright infringement. It's a tort, not a crime, and it would be a contractual violation, not a criminal theft of property.

Aside form that, it's not even copyright infringement unless whatever the recipient of the work is doing something that extends beyond fair use of the work. The copyright holder's rights don't extend to saying how, when, or where you access/use/interact with a work -- only to making tangible copies or public performances, and even then there are limits. You can make copies for personal purposes, editorial/critical purposes, educational purposes, etc.

Nobody has noted that DRM can sometimes violate copyright by abridging an individual's fair right to a work, and by imposing rules/requirements to which the copyright holder has no claim. If it can be shown that DRM would prevent access to a work after the expiry of the copyright, the DRM explicitly violates the requirement that the work enters the public domain at that time. It interferes with the public's future right to copy and distribute the work, a right which is a precondition of being granted copyright on your work.
Reply to this comment
by dagwud June 24, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
The only way DRM would prevent access to a work after the expiration of copyright is if DRMed versions of the work are the only versions that exist. While I abhor the restrictions of DRM and refuse to buy music with such an inconvenience, the copyright holder does, in fact, have the right to choose DRMed files for distribution of the work, just like they once could choose to allow distribution only on LPs and not on 45s (for which, before the proliferation of the compact cassette, the exorbitant cost of reproduction was a form of rights management).
Reply to this comment
by kai6novice June 24, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
Today's storage (8G, 16G, 32G) mp3 players can store so many songs that we will never listen. Why can't music company start selling wav (CD quality) music online. So we can finally enjoy quality music. I always wanted to purchase music, but not in mp3 format. Of course, I can buy a CD and convert it to WAV and send to my mp3 player. But that take up too much time. I would rather buy WAV directly. Or be able to purchase individual song and some company would package it into a single CD, like a MIX CD. However, it's very difficult to find À la carte music store.
Reply to this comment
by minimalist June 24, 2008 9:43 AM PDT
I thought the Reisinger article was anything but brilliant. He said ?we are to blame? but the subtext was really ?YOU are to blame because you do not do as I THINK you should do?. Nobody likes a scold who thinks they know what?s best for you

It?s fashionable (if not downright mandatory) in geek circles to decry the evils of DRM but what happens when Amazon, Zune, Napster, eMusic and others sell DRM free music and ?the people? STILL choose iTunes as they are doing? As technology enthusiests, we have always told ourselves that cheaper DRM free music is the holy grail of "the people". But what if "the people" just don?t care? Personally, I like higher quality DRM free music in a flexible format but I have to accept that my concerns may not be the concerns of the average consumer that is driving iTunes to the number one position.

I?m still paying for my music but I don?t buy CD?s anymore and I don?t pay over 9 bucks for an album (often I can find it 2 or 3 dollars at eMusic). But whether Kid Rock likes it or not, music has indeed been devalued through both market forces and piracy (which some might argue is another form of market force as well).
Reply to this comment
by minimalist June 24, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
I thought the Reisinger article was anything but brilliant. He said ?we are to blame? but the subtext was really ?YOU are to blame because you do not do as I THINK you should do?. Nobody likes a scold who thinks they know what?s best for you

It?s fashionable (if not downright mandatory) in geek circles to decry the evils of DRM but what happens when Amazon, Zune, Napster, eMusic and others sell DRM free music and ?the people? STILL choose iTunes as they are doing? As technology enthusiests, we have always told ourselves that cheaper DRM free music is the holy grail of "the people". But what if "the people" just don?t care? Personally, I like higher quality DRM free music in a flexible format but I have to accept that my concerns may not be the concerns of the average consumer that is driving iTunes to the number one position.

I?m still paying for my music but I don?t buy CD?s anymore and I don?t pay over 9 bucks for an album (often I can find it 2 or 3 dollars at eMusic). But whether Kid Rock likes it or not, music has indeed been devalued through both market forces and piracy (which some might argue is another form of market force as well).
Reply to this comment
by Don Key June 24, 2008 10:24 AM PDT
If I bought an LP or Cassette tape of music... didn't I already pay the artist/label for their work years ago? Shouldn't I be able to download that exact same song that I already paid for before?
Reply to this comment
by Anonymous Hero June 24, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
It's not stealing because "intellectual property" is not property. It's a legal incentive given to the public by Congress more than 200 years ago to encourage progress in science and the arts. The "property" moniker was attached by content holders a century and a half later. The same people who lobbied Congress to continue to extend the copyright term just to save the damn Mouse from going into the public domain (where he long belongs).

You should "steal" all the **** you want, because Congress never intended encyclopedias and radio songs from the 1930s to remain copyrighted way into the 21st century. Until they change the law, downloading "illegally" it is.
Reply to this comment
by Zero187 June 24, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
Notice his sarcasm throughout the whole video and then at the end he goes "Stay in school and stay off the drugs." Being the person that he is, I wonder if that was a little sarcastic as well? I mean, he did take a big rip of that cigar at the end of the video (yes, tobacco is a drug, as well as alcohol). I guess my point is, he's not very smart to begin with, so don't listen to his theories on music downloading.
Reply to this comment
by tourband June 24, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
Good for Bob - he's right. Who cares what most of the pretend IP attorneys. label poseurs and sexual intellectuals write (f**king know it all's).
Reply to this comment
by Composer_1777 June 24, 2008 2:27 PM PDT
Burning CDs and re-ripping them is so 90's... Who uses Cds anymore? Buy from amazon and DRM free I tunes and napster. There is no need for DRM i tunes anymore that sht is outdated . Apple fans and I pod users who buy DRM track, well ur just plain ole stupid.
Reply to this comment
by Composer_1777 June 24, 2008 2:27 PM PDT
Burning CDs and re-ripping them is so 90's... Who uses Cds anymore? Buy from amazon and DRM free I tunes and napster. There is no need for DRM i tunes anymore that sht is outdated . Apple fans and I pod users who buy DRM track, well ur just plain ole stupid.
Reply to this comment
by tekwiz4u June 24, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
The music industry just need to understand technology, but they refuse to do it. In the 1990's they didn't make a big stink about while raking in money. Now that the internet has evolved, they still are thinking like the 1990's. They refuse to sell DRM-free music, and punish those who wants to enjoy *their* product by sharing it with others. I pay for a CD.. you got your money.. its mine! Same with music. Deal with it.
Reply to this comment
by Eric_The_MadMan June 24, 2008 4:49 PM PDT
+1 on many of your comments posted above! The bottom line is that the music industry has been screwing us and the artists for way too long. They are way behind the technology curve and we don't really need them anymore. With the internet and the way things are headed they are scared! Artists can now release their own music through the internet and charge us 1/2 of what the record companies would charge and the artist would make twice what the record companies would pay them. So, bah-by....screw em all.....Power To The People!! Kid Rock Rock's!!!!
Reply to this comment
by danielszabo1981 June 24, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
i prefer to download the music videos off youtube with keepvid.com, and then strip the music out of them.

free, drm-less music.
Reply to this comment
 See all 29 Comments >>
Powered by Jive Software
advertisement

Latest tech news headlines

Resource center from News.com sponsors
What you need in business class email.
Mailtrust

Click Here!
Never worry about email again. From mobility and shared calendaring to virus and spam protection starting at only $3 per mailbox. more>

Rackspace Mailtrust
Total Email Relief

We'll take care of your email so you can take care of your business.

14 Day Free Trial

With expert support 24x7x365 we guarentee 100% uptime. Try us for free for 14 days. Never worry about your email again.

Just $3 per mailbox

Choose the plan that is right for your company and only pay for what you need.

About The Audiophiliac

Ex movie theater projectionist Steve Guttenberg has more or less successfully hitched his future to home theater, but he still pines for the clickity-clack of 35 MM projectors and all the stale popcorn he could eat. Between projectionist gigs he worked as a high-end audio salesman for sixteen years, and produced records for an audiophile label. Oh, and one more thing, nothing annoys Steve more than being confused with the other Steve Guttenberg, the washed-up Police Academy actor. The wordsmith Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to a number of magazines and websites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

Add this feed to your online news reader

The Audiophiliac topics

Featured blogs

advertisement

Inside CNET News

Scroll Left Scroll Right
  • News - Business Tech

    Chrome's JavaScript challenge to Silverlight

    The advent of Google's Chrome browser, software pros say, should spur a big speedup for JavaScript, which would raise its standing against Microsoft's Silverlight technology.

  • Gallery

    Photos: Top 10 reviews of the week

    Here are CNET Reviews' 10 favorite items from the past week, including the TiVo HD XL, Sony Cyber-shot DSC-H50, and the Dish Network's newest digital TV converter box.

  • News - Apple

    Apple watchers spot 'iPod Nano' pix, iTunes hints

    The rumor mill has long been predicting a longer, leaner new version of the iPod Nano, and now it's conjuring up some pictures.

  • Coop's Corner

    Chris Shipley 1, Internet lynch mob 0

    Demo's impresario goes public with a tart and smartly written riposte to the shoot-from-the-lip crowd.

  • Video

    Katie Couric reflects on first Webcast

    The political conventions are over and so are CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric's first series of Webcasts. CNET's Kara Tsuboi sat down with Couric on the final night of the Republican National Convention to discuss what she liked about Webcasting, some of her most memorable guests, and whether TV news will still be around by the next round of conventions.

  • News - Digital Media

    Google-focused satellite enters orbit

    The search titan has exclusive rights among online mapping sites to images from the new GeoEye-1 satellite, which launched Saturday.

  • Video

    YouTube plays party politics

    During the presidential campaigning four years ago, YouTube didn't even exist. Now it's a tool candidates must master to get their message across. CNET's Kara Tsuboi stops by the YouTube upload booths at the Democratic and Republican conventions to find out why Google's video site has such a big presence in Denver and St. Paul, Minn.

  • News - Gaming and Culture

    Are Demo and TechCrunch50 fragmenting their audiences?

    With both events scheduled to start Monday, many press, as well as venture capitalists and others are having to choose which one to attend.

  • News - Cutting Edge

    Execs predict next Google-like tech

    On eve of company's 10-year anniversary, researchers and business pundits speculate about what technologies might someday have as much impact as Google.

  • Gallery

    Images: The art of 'Spore' prototypes

    Will Wright and his Maxis team worked on dozens of prototypes to test the elements of their soon-to-be-released evolution game. Here's a sampling.

  • Crossfade

    The Standard, 'A Different Skin': Free MP3 of the Day

    Eschewing the danceable beats favored by many of its post-punk brethren, while opting instead for more ominous and insistent rhythms, is what makes the Standard visceral and engaging. Download a free MP3 of "A Different Skin" courtesy of CNET Download Mus

  • Green Tech

    Duke Energy to invest in mini solar power plants

    Can hundreds of rooftop solar panels collectively operate like a central power plant? Duke Energy launches $100 million distributed solar program to find out.