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June 13, 2008 6:49 AM PDT

If you listen to music at home--don't buy an AV receiver!

by Steve Guttenberg
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(Credit: Harman Kardon)

Today's audiovisual receivers are complicated things. They can be a real pain to use, have excruciatingly complicated menu systems, and many don't even accommodate turntables! Point is if you're mostly interested in playing music do yourself a big favor and buy a stereo receiver.

Like Harman Kardon's new HK 3490 two times 120 watt receiver ($449). In my opinion Harman makes the best sounding AV receivers, and I have every reason to expect their stereo models to be even better. The engineers invested in a high-performance phono preamp, pre-out/main-in jacks, and high-current amplification. You also get front panel access to bass & treble controls, dual subwoofer outputs and if you ever miss surround sound switch on the Dolby Virtual Speaker processing that simulates surround from two speakers.

You can, of course, use the HK 3490 with a 2.0 or 2.1 channel home theater system.

Steve Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to magazines and Web sites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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by hfjacinto June 13, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
Steve,

I usually like reading your columns because on a lot of audio topics you are right but this is the dumbest advice I have ever read. ?Spend your hard-earned $500 on a piece of equipment that is obsolete. It won?t even let you hear movies in the sound that they are encoded for, but don?t worry you can use a sound program (this coming from a man that doesn?t like CD?s because they are digitally compressed) to get a movie LIKE sound.?

DUDE the advice should be blunt and honest, not a sales job for HK. I cannot see how you can even recommend a stereo receiver. OK maybe if you have globs of cash and you already have your $6 million home theater with upconverted picture and subs in front of speakers to further distort the sound than you should go buy yourself a useless stereo receiver.

For that same $500 you can buy a new Yamaha/Pioneer or Onkyo that will have video and audio capability don?t waste your money on a stereo only receiver.

Next you will recommend spending your money on an analog 13 inch black and white tube TV, because you don?t really need color or high definition or for that matter remote controls as we are too fat and should change the channel manually.
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by ougrad1 June 13, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
Seriously, I can't take it anymore...I expected this article to have some merit to it other than AV receivers are too complex for Steve and they all don't support turntables. Then a second paragraph pimping Harmon Kardon...Seriously? this is the new audiophile article of the week? I feel cheated by having to read this lazy article that screams, "hey, I have nothing of value to add this week so I'm going to just throw out a bias blanket opinion with no real objective points since it's Friday."

Just for the record, Steve, I've owned both a high-end audio receiver and a AV receiver and if you get a quality AV receiver, the sound is just as good as an audio receiver of similar quality. ..and yes, I do listen to music at home. I would assume as an audiophile, most of us actually have some ability in hooking things up so to say AV receivers are complicated could not be giving your audience enough credit.
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by ougrad1 June 13, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
Seriously, CNET needs to get some more credible writers on their topics. Finding a guy who's claim to fame is Three men and and little baby does not count.
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by Joe Stitzlein June 13, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
Arcam. Move along folks?
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by AVSYSTEMS June 13, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
I would go even further. No stereo receivers, but separate pre and power amplifiers. Audio Research REF3 together with a REF110/REF210 or HD220 power amplifiers are a nice choice that will take you to the heaven of music. Before criticizing please listen to the music!
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by DaveOCP June 13, 2008 7:48 PM PDT
I agree with the other posters, this is an incredibly pointless and invalid post. Just about any receiver in the $500 price class will have a "Direct" stereo mode that shuts down the video circuitry, and will sound every bit as good as any stereo receiver. The idea that H/K makes the best sounding receivers is also a joke. Ever heard of NAD, Lexicon, or Rotel?

If you're really serious about two channel sound, buy an integrated amplifier, not a receiver.
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by WhyFi June 14, 2008 4:23 AM PDT
"Just about any receiver in the $500 price class will have a "Direct" stereo mode that shuts down the video circuitry, and will sound every bit as good as any stereo receiver."
I think that Steve may have been alluding to an economic factor, but I'm not certain. If you DO consider costs, a similarly priced stereo unit should, by all means, outperform the multichannel unit in terms of music playback performance. If the cost is the same but the number of parts is less (2 amp outputs vs 5-7 outputs, no digital circuitry vs surround sound processor, etc) the manufacturer should be putting in higher quality parts in the stereo version than in the HT version. In my opinion, Arcam makes the best sounding HT receivers (in terms of music playback - Lexicon? Sorry, they're the best in surround, but they suck for 2 channel), but even their (Arcam's) more modestly-priced integrated amps outperform their flagship receiver in 2 channel playback.

SO, it's all about priorities, IMO. If 2 channel is really what you're after, and HT is, eh, just nice to have, skip the "nice to have" and get better 2 channel for the same price...
by adlieb June 14, 2008 3:40 AM PDT
Really Steve? Really? Are you going to be like that now? "In my opinion Harman makes the best sounding AV receivers?" Like DaveOCP said, have you ever heard of NAD, LEXICON, or ROTEL? Lets be real, of course you have, so why are you being lazy with your blog? Say that in your opinion HK has the best sound out of the sub $1000 receiver class, and I might see where you're coming from. Tell me that it's the best sounding receiver you can get out of a Big Box store (standard Pioneer, Sony, Yamaha, Onkyo, Harman Kardon), and you'd at least have an arguing point. But don't say that they sound better than say a Marantz, Denon, or Pioneer Elite unit, and that's not even scratching the surface of the low end of "high-end."

Why don't you rethink this last post, and how about next friday come out with an apology letter to your LOYAL readers. Furthermore, if you really want to promote two channel audio from specifically engineered devices why don't you write up a full review of "stereo" from the entry level (the HK unit here), all the way up to a McIntosh separates system.

Due to your unique situation in the world of audio your blog is one of the few that I really look forward to each week. It's usually fun and light hearted, but if your going to continue to call yourself the "AUDIOPHILIAC," you need to get back to writing like an audiophile.

One more thing, STOP criticizing center channels. We get it, you're not down with them.
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by jscott418 June 14, 2008 5:55 AM PDT
I totally agree. I bought a Denon AVR2106 a couple years ago. OMG my wife cannot run it.
It's the first electronic device I find confusing at times. In fact it simply has too many options.
It's also the first receiver I actually feel is poorer in quality over all then any I have owned before.
I have had Yamaha integrated amps and receivers and felt the sound was much better. It seems in the design to have as many input and output options. Companies have gone cheap on the audio section.
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by gerrydtrini June 14, 2008 6:07 PM PDT
Why are you guys being so hard on Steve ?? It is a perfectly sensible argument. I have a Denon AVR 2807, CNET editor's choice, beautiful receiver but I do not use 90% of the features because I do not watch movies. So I am changing to a Adcom pre and power which are far more suited to the audio buf !!!
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by ematcion June 16, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
Forget about the stereo receiver idea, Steve. If you are budget-oriented and you are an audiophile, go with an integrated amp. Surround sound for those who likes gimmicks. Check out my system....

Cambridge Audio A-500 stereo integrated amp ($250.00)
Tivoli Audio Model One AM/FM radio used as a tuner ($75.00)

And if your budget is under $500.00, I'd still have money left over for either a Sony SCD-CE595 5 disc CD/SACD changer or an Oppo 980 universal player.
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by mwolfson June 16, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
You have got to be kidding. Harmon Kardon makes "the best sounding AV receivers?" Clearly you haven't heard units from B&K, Integra, or the new units from Denon. Harmon Kardon is classic "mid-fi" stuff.
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by BigStarryEyes June 17, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
As the owner of a HK A/V receiver I was very pleased with Steve's opinion, frankly. The rest of you guys are kind of a downer....

I have a "hi-fi" (Odyssey monoblocks, Perreaux pre-amp) but I still like the sound of the HK very much. It's sweet sounding and it rocks with power to spare.
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by dankelleher_dotmac June 18, 2008 12:03 PM PDT
Steve, you review audio equipment for a living. How can the menu on a $500 A/V receiver be too complex for you? This isn't good advice...Something's fishy.
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by satkinsn June 18, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
I generally agree with Steve's post, but would have liked a bit more on why a stereo receiver is preferable to a 5.1 or 7.1 unit.

i think Steve kinda gets there by pointing out AV receivers are complicated, and by citing the good things the HK has, but...I would have liked more compare and contrast.

That said, it's a fair piece.

Scott Atkinson
Watertown NY
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by elton35 June 20, 2008 7:13 AM PDT
This post is horrible not because SG is selling for HK (which was obvious.) It's the level of analysis. I feel like a 3 year old after reading the explanations. I have a Yamaha RXV-3800 and I don't find it difficult. My wife can't work garage openers and she can switch from an iPod input to playing the DVD.

You can work the menu system if you can work a Mac.
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by borispmchan June 20, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
I partially agree with Steve. I know most Harman/Kardon products have promising sound quality,but you've got to be joking. Why 2.1 configuration if you have got that much of cash?! I would've invest it on floorstanding speakers that produce enough bass without a need of subwoofer,there are plenty,such as the KEFs,Tannoys,Klipschs,and even JBL itself(this sounds silly,but my MB Quart bookshelf pumps out quite enough bass even though it's a sealed type with 7"woofer) . Why bother with subwoofers!
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by ding2112 June 20, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
how much Steve did you receive for this cheap sales pitch?
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by make_or_break June 22, 2008 1:13 PM PDT
I've long been of the purist, minimalist mindset when it comes to home electronics, and for me an A/V receiver is indeed information overload/overkill for almost anyone who simply needs a control unit for audio-only. Aside from perhaps those who believe in 5.1 SACD or DVD-Audio, no self-respecting hardcore fan of stereophonic media should get within 10 feet of one of these things. In the past I preferred to hook up a variable output CD player direct to the amplifier, only bowing to adding back in a preamp when the CD source was incapable of volume attenuation, or when I listen to vinyl. The A/V receiver--I admit I own one, a Denon AVR-38something that's now confined to a/v support for my Xbox 360 and Wii--is like culture shock for someone ingrained with my sensibilities who still very much lives in a simple, stereophonic world. Hell, my Thiels nor my Paradigms haven't suffered from my cadence.
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by indestro June 23, 2008 7:32 PM PDT
Oh yes, Harmon Kardon, it is kind of like when you say Jaguar, everyone knows the name, therefore it must be the "best".
How about saying Harmon Kardon the best available at Big Box, or Jaguar, not as sucky as a Ford. (and a grille that looks like a toilet seat lid)
Could we be honest once in awhile?
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by exerciseguy June 30, 2008 7:26 PM PDT
I generally steer away from CNET for audio reviews, they tend to be oversimplified & too geared towards HT, IMHO. This "review" is a joke, however, HK products aren't., and stereo receivers are every bit as useful today as they were 30-40 yrs. ago. I own & love my HK3485, it's sweet & simple, sounds great, and was priced right (under $200). I listen to a lot of radio, virtually everything I want to listen to is in stereo, and sometimes even mono, so why by extra channels if you'll NEVER use them?

I assure you, the HK3485 is as good as, or better than every other stereo receiver south of $600. Might a separate integrated amp/receiver combo sound better, perhaps (but I doubt it at this price range), but good luck trying to find them for less than the HK3490 ($329), let alone the price of the HK3485 ($199).
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Ex movie theater projectionist Steve Guttenberg has more or less successfully hitched his future to home theater, but he still pines for the clickity-clack of 35 MM projectors and all the stale popcorn he could eat. Between projectionist gigs he worked as a high-end audio salesman for sixteen years, and produced records for an audiophile label. Oh, and one more thing, nothing annoys Steve more than being confused with the other Steve Guttenberg, the washed-up Police Academy actor. The wordsmith Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to a number of magazines and websites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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