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September 2, 2009 9:00 AM PDT

Vinyl: Not just for audiophiles?

by Steve Guttenberg
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Vinyl is back, big time, but the fact is most folks, probably close to 99 percent of the under 40-set, haven't heard records.

For them, music is about portability and vinyl is a stay-at-home deal. Vinyl has more of a hands-on work ethic: you've got to cue the tonearm, lower the "needle," and when the side's over, turn it over or play another LP. Digital requires almost nothing from you; no wonder it's dominated the music scene for the last couple of decades.

Me, I'm having something of a vinyl fling right now. I've always owned a turntable, but there were times I played only CDs for months on end. I guess I didn't want to deal with the extra work of playing vinyl. Sad, but true.

As for LP vs. CD comparisons, I didn't do any. Trust me, you don't have to be a golden-eared audiophile to notice the two formats sound very different. Records are "warmer" and sound more like the sound of real instruments and voices; CDs almost always make them more detailed and brighter-sounding than they are in real life.

But if that's all there was to the story, LPs wouldn't have made it this far, more than a quarter of a century after the debut of the perfect-sound-forever CD. No, music seems to draw you in more when it's coming off an LP. It's more engaging. So it's not exclusively an audiophile thing, I know lots of non-audiophiles who play records. They "get it" without any prodding from me. It's not that CDs sound bad, just less interesting. MP3s? Even less going on there.

I recently changed turntables, from a Linn LP12 to a VPI Classic, and the VPI reignited my vinyl fixations. I'm still using the same phono cartridge, a Van Den Hul, but the VPI is more fun to listen to than the Linn. Watch for my full VPI Classic review soon.

When the CD came out I knew it would eventually kill the music business. And so it is: Music now serves as background to other activities, music by itself can no longer hold most folk's attention. With vinyl people actually listen!

Have I made you vinyl-curious? It's your move. If you've recently converted from analog to digital, tell us all about it.

Steve Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to magazines and Web sites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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by DragonStab September 2, 2009 9:23 AM PDT
I still don't get why people say that vinyl recordings are "warmer" and more "Natural". While you even say that CD's sound "more detailed" and brighter. What's wrong with having a clear sound? What's wrong with being able to hear more detail in the music you want to listen to? If you want CD's to sound "warmer" when you listen to them, put a little cotton in your ears........
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by half_n_half17 September 2, 2009 5:46 PM PDT
More detailed and brighter aren't the same thing necessarily.
by scaught78 September 2, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
Um, I would disagree with your under 40 assessment. Under 30? Sure. But 40?? I just turned 31 and when I was a kid all I ever knew was vinyl. Stores sold vinyl like crazy too.

I recently got back into vinyl. I bought a nice mid-level Technics player off of Ebay for $15. It was in perfect condition, some dude just needed to get rid of everything he owned (who am I to argue?) It is pretty amazing. I also like how it sort of tricks you into listening to a whole alblum. No twitchy shuffling like I do with my iPod. Instead I put the needle to the groove and listen to some music with my daughter (who just turned 2 and always says "record daddy??") She is a huge Grizzly Bear fan, so who am I to argue when she asks me in her garbled two year old speak to put on their latest LP?
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by tipoo_ September 11, 2009 5:33 PM PDT
I have the same problem as you, i that i always shuffle around my music before a song (let alone a whole album!) finishes. Not a problem with Vinyl, mostly because its such a pain in the ass to do so, lol.
by pubmat September 2, 2009 10:26 AM PDT
Steve I think I would have to disagree with your assertion that vinyl is "back big time". Maybe in relative terms, but certainly not in a substantial way.
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by half_n_half17 September 2, 2009 5:52 PM PDT
Have you checked out the indie scene recently? Vinyl has the right crowd interested and it is rapidly becoming a hipster sort of thing. This is exactly what starts a trend.
by johnvanderwerken September 2, 2009 10:59 AM PDT
I pity the fool who thinks distortion is "warmness", sigh.
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by pubmat September 2, 2009 11:10 AM PDT
Agreed. I guess some of those stratospherically expensive systems just play distortion considerably "cleaner", hence that wonderful sound. LOL.
by decwatch September 3, 2009 5:15 AM PDT
Are we so used to worshiping at the idol of technology that we've lost sight of the fact that the world is, in fact, analog. All things digital are merely a model of the real world, and as a result imperfect replicas. So, if ou want to find distorbtion, you need look no further than the 1's and 0's in your CD collection.

I have a mid-range audiofphile system, have an extensive collection of both meda, and have found that when I want convenient background music, I turn to my CDs. But when I sit down intending to listen to and enjoy music, more often than not I'll find myself pulling a disc from my record collection. No science involvd, just what I've learned from personal experience.
by pubmat September 3, 2009 9:47 PM PDT
@decwatch,
Too many variables to even mention, please don't go there...I'm so bloody TIRED of going there! Play your ancient format, it will never be better than good digital.
by johnvanderwerken September 6, 2009 4:25 AM PDT
"Digital are merely a model of the real world" LOL, indeed, read up on sampling theory, will ya please?
by dobyblue October 2, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
CD isn't mastered well anymore while usually vinyl still is, that alone makes it easier to choose vinyl.
by robhunta September 2, 2009 11:19 AM PDT
I am 27 years old and spent the majority of my life listening to cassettes, CDs and MP3s. I was helping my parents move over the weekend, they were selling their records, so I went through them and kept about 200-300 of them and their turntable. Over the past 3 days I've realized exactly what you are talking about. I've been listening to albums I have known my entire life and am falling in love with them all over again. My musical preferences reflect a that of my parents more than the average 20-30 yr old and I have grown painfully sick of the music industry over the past 7 or so years. Listening to records has rejuvenated my love for music, its like I'm hearing things for the first time again. Simply amazing, its been just 3 days and I'm already looking to buy more vinyl, clean the records (something I have no experience with), improve my turntable and purchase expensive new headphones to keep out all distractions when I listen. Thanks to records I think I may even consider myself an audiophile once again.
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by jwc13ac September 2, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
This post is from a younger person who has gotten into high end audio. I am very skeptical of vinyl as a critical listening medium.

A 25 year old has no nostalgic thoughts when listening to Vinyl. All I hear is pops, scratches, and a bit of a loss in detail.

I still buy CDs, and all my Digital music is in FLAC or HQ MP3 at least.

Is this an age thing? Personal preference? Or just what you grew up on?

I do plan on picking up a turn table soon for collecting reasons, but honestly I think I will always be fond of CDs (and other digital tracks) for my critical listening.

To me the only reason I see Vinyl as a great medium is the album art that the artists have room for.
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by zferometer September 3, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
im also 25, and i too have no nostalgic thoughts regarding vinyl. i cant ever remember a vinyl single or lp in a music store, when i was a kid. i vaguely remember cassettes being in the shop...
but i LOVE vinyl. if i had more money i'd probably fill my house with it. since i've moved to the city i've found some sweet little second hand shops full of absolute vinyl bliss.
you're right, the artwork is a bonus, being bigger and all.
but there are pros and cons (like with anything) to analog and digital - some records sound like crap, mostly the mid-late 80s ones, the sound is really thin and trebly. but some cds sound like crap too when compared to their vinyl counterparts. also, is it just me or are the lasers in today's cd players incredibly lightweight? all it takes is a fingerprint or two and you cant listen to your cd. a fingerprint on a record just makes a (i think) cool noise.
there are weird things that vinyl just lulls you into happily doing - like listening to a whole album, let alone song. i find with cds or with mp3s for some reason nobody even seems to get halfway throug a song anymore.
vinyl makes you start looking after your albums, i'd have probably half of a thousand or more cds from my teenage years but only have about <100 these days, most got wrecked. its just amazing that some weird lump of plastic thats twice as old or older than i am can be spun around and a rock put on it and lo and behold - sound. to me, its so much more romantic than 1s and 0s and sample rates etc.
but i enjoy all formats, from the old shellac 78 thru 45s to 33&1/3s thru reel to reels to cassettes thru cds thru mp3s.
i just like music and the recording of it.
also, for some reason i really dont like walking around or catching the train or whatever with music in my ears like everybody else does. dunno why, i just cant stand it. maybe thats got something to do with it
by elmessiah September 2, 2009 12:01 PM PDT
I am 29 Years old and after going through a lot of cds, mini disc players and Ipods (I'm on my third Ipod and also use an Iphone) and all that is good, but at some point 3 years ago I realized I haven't really listened to the music I own in a long time it had just become background, at that point I decided tu purchase a turntable and some used records at the local flea market. I have enjoyed music like never before I've always thought albums should be listened to completely and I'm finally doing it. I have to say the differences in sound are big, but the biggest part for me is having the time to enjoy the music. So now at home I listen to LPs (I have made quite a big collection) and I've left my Ipod for traveling and work. Several of my friends have aslo done the same thing and moved to vynil at home, if you like enjoying your music you should definetly move to vynil. Going vintage is probably the cheapest way to do it.
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by robhunta September 2, 2009 3:37 PM PDT
I feel the same, I always felt albums should be listened ot completely but over time music had defenitely become background for me, vinyl has changed how I enjoy music.
by NLips September 2, 2009 2:49 PM PDT
In my experience, live "classical" music sounds "warm" rather than "clean" only from poor acoustics, and live contemporary music sounds warm from either that or the poor fidelity speaker systems used out of necessity for large concerts. Unamplified music close up sounds very clean. Yes, the compression used in MP3s etc isn't fab, but the data on a CD is nearer to the sound emitted from instruments than any other mainstream format, past or present.
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by soundman45 September 2, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
I think both formats are great. I can't say I listen to vinyl anymore since I transferred my collection to 24bit/96k about five years ago but I thinks it's kind of nice that people can still enjoy records. I have to admit there is something weirdly and spiritually organic about firing up your turntable, discwashing your records and sitting back in the old sweet spot to enjoy your favorite band. Reading and enjoying the album lyrics and artwork unfortunately is something that never really tranferred well to the compact disc medium, and is something you can't get with a download. As far as sound quality they both have their strengths and weaknesses. As and audio engineer from the tests I've performed SACD or DSD as it is called is probably the closest thing I've heard that approximates the sound of an analog master tape. It retains depth and warmth while having excellent transient responce and astounding signal to noise ratio. It's just too bad the format never really caught on.
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by STARWOBBLE September 2, 2009 7:25 PM PDT
I love my old soundesign record player-cassette player-8 track player-am/fm radio. I pulled the behemoth out of our attic. It was left by the previous owners of the house. I'm 21 and I love going to thrift stores and hunting for vinyl. Vinyl Rocks.
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by soundfinder September 2, 2009 10:55 PM PDT
Vinyl records are best!
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by analogapartment September 3, 2009 5:34 AM PDT
Whether you're a collector, hipster, audiophile, there's an underlying thing here - the experience is totally unique and addictive. The experience of flipping through crates at a local store, the experience of playing the record, and the experience of listening to the record... it's less about the convenience of consuming music...

I run a site called called Analog Apartment (http://www.analogapartment.com) for anyone that loves (or is starting to in fall in love with) vinyl records.
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by santihossni September 3, 2009 12:20 PM PDT
I am 18 and considerably thinking about buying a turntable and start getting old records as Led Zeppelin and The Beatles to compare to my FLAC files. I have my FLAC's on my iPhone (converted them to Apple Lossless) and listen to them with my Bose Quiet Comfort 2's... and I can notice a big difference between Rubber Soul's (FLAC) Norwegian Wood and 1's Norwegian wood with the headphones. Perhaps vinyl's sound warmer and it seems like you have your ear pressed against Harrison's guitar, but in the remastered album 1 the distortion background noise is gone and it's definitely nicer to listen to.

Perhaps vinyl records can have a wider range of sound or however you call it, but can you even hear the difference when you are above 40 years of age and you can no longer listen to 20,000 kHz of noise? :P
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by dobyblue October 2, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
I think your problem is the Bose headphones!
by JDsRecordShop September 3, 2009 2:37 PM PDT
Great article! Though I agree that the analog is much warmer than the digital realm, it is a matter of preference for some folks. A mint record played on a high end turntable will most likely convince the CD fans of the difference. Not everyone is an audiophile and not everyone's ears are as keen as others. I think you may have overlooked upbringing when referring to the age groups that listen to vinyl. If you visit record conventions, you will see people of all ages interested in vinyl. As a record dealer myself, I know some of my younger customers purchase vinyl because their parents were music fans and so they grew up around records.
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by September 5, 2009 4:04 AM PDT
Great article!! as an old analog listerner from Sweden( I'm 50),I've had several turntables,recievers,tapedecks,reel to reel players and CD players, even an mini disc player. when I begun to listen to cd's I bought a player which soundet 'analoge' to Me. I cant help it,but I find it is some 'marking the words' here,for example... 'this is the best!, and 'no,this is the best! for Me it is 'if it sounds good it is good'.
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by punisher1001 September 8, 2009 10:41 AM PDT
I really don't see the point. I listened to vinyl when I was a kid and I don't miss it. I think that comments like, "warmness" and "natural" sound are just excuses to hold on to antiquated format of sound. I'd rather have have compact format like high bit rate mp3 or flac file. Honestly, I can't hear the difference but then again I'm not a bat.
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by krzanalyst September 9, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
I agree with Steve. I was in my early 20's when cds came out. My best friend at the time, who now runs a large used vinyl and cd shop, and I both agreed that cds were bright and less engaging than vinyl. I'm still buying new and used vinyl and playing them on a Rega Planar 3 table with the Rega RB300 tonearm and a Rega Exact cartridge. I don't own a cd player (except for the one in my computer) and never have.....
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by mikeinhouston September 10, 2009 10:31 AM PDT
The new VPI Classic is true to it's name. I just left my VPI Aries 3 for this deck, and it's a huge improvement.

Anyone who thinks vinyl is not back in a substantial way, is not paying attention to sales figures.

Vinyl is not the conversion of the recording, ie"Sample" of it. It is the true reproduction of the recording.
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by plasticities September 11, 2009 6:31 AM PDT
i'm a college student who inherited my parents' old sony turntable and started collecting records a few years ago. then i went out and picked up a rega p2, rega elys cartridge, and recently an onkyo receiver. my next upgrade will be speakers.
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Ex movie theater projectionist Steve Guttenberg has more or less successfully hitched his future to home theater, but he still pines for the clickity-clack of 35 MM projectors and all the stale popcorn he could eat. Between projectionist gigs he worked as a high-end audio salesman for sixteen years, and produced records for an audiophile label. Oh, and one more thing, nothing annoys Steve more than being confused with the other Steve Guttenberg, the washed-up Police Academy actor. The wordsmith Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to a number of magazines and websites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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