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July 11, 2009 11:33 AM PDT

How to: Get the most out of your subwoofer

by Steve Guttenberg
(Credit: Steve Guttenberg)

I recently participated in a Podcast focusing on subwoofer performance with Home Entertainment magazine's Editor-in-Chief Geoff Morrison, Director of (loudspeaker company) Revel Products, Kevin Voecks, and Brent Butterworth, a freelance writer for a number of magazines including Sound & Vision.

Voecks immediately zeroed in on the importance of placement, which is absolutely crucial to getting the best out of any sub. I'd go so far as to say an average sub, perfectly placed and set up, will outperform a great sub that's been carelessly placed and set up. That's because the sub's interaction with room acoustics can play havoc with sound, all too frequently resulting in boomy, uneven bass.

True, you can get away with that to a degree if all you're trying to do is add oomph to movie soundtracks, but a muddy-sounding subwoofer will muddle the sound of music. Some call it "one-note bass," and subwoofers that sound like that bug me.

You don't get to hear much from me on the Podcast for quite awhile, so I'll cut to the chase: Buy the biggest subwoofer you can stand. Or to put it another way, there's no way a 1-foot cube sub will ever outperform a substantially larger, but less expensive, sub (say 15 inches tall by 15 inches wide by 20 inches deep or larger) when it comes to pitch definition and bass clarity. Just want boom? The mini subs will be fine. Want musical bass? Get a bigger sub.

For more from me, check out my own subwoofer setup guide.

Steve Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to magazines and Web sites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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by stepyourgameup July 13, 2009 6:42 AM PDT
My subs are absolute beasts!
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by vvdiaz July 13, 2009 7:49 AM PDT
I just finished a 6-month quest looking for a subwoofer for my all-Linn system. The obvious candidate was a Linn subwoofer but after doing research and some in-home auditions I ended up buying a Rythmik Audio F12SE DirectServo subwoofer. It is amazing how much bass control does this subwoofer has over the other ones I tried (REL, LINN, SVS). They may go a little bit lower (in my room, the F12SE goes below 20hz easily and this was measured with an SPL meter), but the don't have the control and musicality this baby has!!!
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by pubmat July 13, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
I'm not familiar with that sub. I'm actually in the process of buying one, and I have considerable placement problems with the one I own now. I'm considering the Revel b15a, the Paradigm signature servo, the Martin Logan descent, or the jl audio f113. Maybe I'll check that one out as well.
by stepyourgameup July 13, 2009 8:45 AM PDT
You need to go internet direct if you want the most bang for buck. Check out either SVS, Epik or Seaton. You can read more here. www.avsforum.com
by pubmat July 13, 2009 9:37 AM PDT
Thanks...I've looked at those. I agree, great bang for the buck...but I'm willing to spend more for that little extra pitch definition and accuracy. Output isnt an issue, it just musicality that I want at this level. Those that you mentioned are great for the money, but they don't quite equal the others in those areas.
by vvdiaz July 13, 2009 10:58 AM PDT
Hi pubmat,

The web site is http://www.rythmikaudio.com. Brian Ding is the owner and his service level and product quality is excellent! There is a lot of information regarding his products and technology on his web site. For extra pitch definition and accuracy you need to go with sealed servo subs. Ported subs produce higher SPLs and may go lower but tend to miss on the controll and accuraccy side of the equation, even servo ones.

Vic
by stepyourgameup July 13, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
Don't forget that you need to EQ the sub/s in order to get a good frequency response. Audyssey MULTEQ does a good job, or you can buy an external EQ such as Anti-Mode 8033 or a Behringer Feedback Destroyer.
by vvdiaz July 13, 2009 12:45 PM PDT
The Rythmik Audio F12SE has an integrated adjustable frequency single-band parametric equalizer.
by pubmat July 13, 2009 9:06 PM PDT
vvdiaz...thanks for the info. I will check that out.

Stepupyourgame...I've heard good things about Behringer feedback destroyer. Have you used it? Thanks.
by stepyourgameup July 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT
I only use Audyssey MULTEQ XT. However, the BFD has done good things for others I have spoken to. It's cheap and effective. If you want to learn more, visit www.hometheatershack.com.
by brulaha July 13, 2009 9:59 PM PDT
An external EQ is going to be much more effective that any auto configuration. It's also much more annoying and time consuming. I personally use audyssey multi-eq xt and I like it. I'd like to upgrade to the velodyne sms at some point, but it's expensive. The BFE seems to be the preferred choice for doing your own eq setup. Probably because of cost/performance.
by jaguar717 July 13, 2009 11:30 PM PDT
A very simple placement strategy I've heard is to put the sub where you'll sit, and then walk around the room to possible locations until find some place with full, deep bass and little messy resonance.

Obviously this isn't perfectly precise, but the idea is that the acoustical coloring from one place to another should approximately work in reverse.
by instybob July 13, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
I have a 7 year old Bob Carver Sunfire that is a tiny 10 inch cube that will rattle my house apart if I let it.
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by bgaviator2 July 13, 2009 5:46 PM PDT
I had a really cheap, no-name 5.1 surround sound system. I was really dissapointed in the bass output....sounded almost non-existent. Then a friend told me to turn the bass speaker to face the wall.....wow, what a difference! The bass echoing off the wall made it sound amazing at that point.
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by mjn507 July 13, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
So is it ok to just use the rca-type cable between the receiver/stereo?

The alternative is my current setup: speaker wire from stereo output, to input on the sub, then speaker out on the sub to the speakers. This drastically limits the potential length between the sub and the speaker. Plus, I have two wires (four ends) to and from the sub. I have tested just using the one cable, but it's hard to tell if I am really getting the bass I should (or perhaps I just haven't done *enough* testing).
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by brulaha July 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT
Yup, one cable is all you need. You might try a "y" splitter to put it into both of the stereo inputs on the sub. That said, make sure you are connecting the "sub out" to the input on your sub.

If you use the speaker wire method, you are bypassing the crossover in your receiver, and you are using your sub's crossover. I don't know what kind of gear you have, but generally it's better to handle bass management in the receiver...
by brulaha July 13, 2009 8:46 PM PDT
Wow...I'm shocked to see such bad advice in a CNET article. All things being equal, volume of the subwoofer enclosure does matter. That said, buy the bigger one is simply not accurate and perpetuates myths.

The first comment in the blog is dead on. Placement does matter. You might also that 2 subs makes ironing out placement issues much easier. For the record, I'd rather have 2 JL Audio f112's than my current Velodyne 18" subwoofer.
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by pubmat July 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT
brulaha..I think thats what he is saying---size DOES matter. I also tend to agree that a larger enclosure will--often, not always--outperform a smaller, cheaper one.
by bad_one July 14, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
Yeah...the link is "Expert sub woofer set up tips" and even the article is entitled "Get the most out of your sub woofer" and the advice is buy the biggest sub. This has little to do with setting up and or managing the sound from an already purchased sub. Its like, have a small sub right now? Buy a new, bigger one, put it in its same place and by default you'll have better bass. I don't mean to be critical, but that wasn't what I was hoping to read when I viewed this article.
by brulaha July 13, 2009 9:20 PM PDT
Note I said "all things being equal." Note he said, "Buy the biggest subwoofer you can stand."

Size does matter. That is true. So does sealed vs. ported, so does dampening, ad infinitum.
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by brulaha July 13, 2009 9:44 PM PDT
Pubmat, in retrospect, you hit the point on the head. A smaller cheaper sub will always be outperformed by the more expensive bigger one. What he said was exactly the opposite. A smaller sub more expensive sub would never outperform a bigger cheaper one. That is simply not true. I'd put up a JL Audio f110 or even a Velodyne Minivee against some of the crap that is out there. KLH comes to mind...but there are many many others. Small subs that put out great quality bass cost a lot of money. There is no getting around that. If budget is your primary concern, then yes bigger is probably the way to go.
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by Tfatty July 15, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
I don't know that this "bigger is better" thing is true. I have had a few different 12 in. subs from Klipsch and my current 10" Def Tech Super Cube I puts them to shame. It's just too bad that I live in a condo and can't really utilize my whole system.
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by Vesicant July 15, 2009 8:34 AM PDT
So bigger is always better, eh? How about that MythBuster's show where they tried to destroy a car with a 50 inch diesel-powered subwoofer -- how "musical" do you think that was?
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by coprock July 15, 2009 9:18 AM PDT
Size is important in respect to room size. My 15-year-old 8" Miller & Kreisel sub is perfect for my 12'x12' bedroom. Anything bigger would be overkill. Where as my 12" M&K is perfect for my theater system in my much larger living room. Don't flame me, but I think a sealed sub is much more musical than a ported one, with more defined bass. Sub volume and crossover frequency settings are also key. While you want great bass, it should also be seamless with your system and its source point should not be identifiable. I am not sold on the need for $3,000 subwoofer. Save your money for your main speakers.
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by brulaha July 15, 2009 2:48 PM PDT
Coprock...I think what you said about sealed vs. ported is the overwhelming feeling regarding "musicality." I think sealed subs do tend to be much easier to place and are easier to EQ. I read an interesting article a long time ago about sub myths which was very enlightening. It can be found at: http://www.audiopulse.com/know-how/subwoofer-driver-guide/myths-about-subwoofers/ however it is fairly technical in nature. I certainly didn't understand it all.

M&K used to have some great subs out there. I know they've had some financial troubles which is a shame because they had some cool products.

Def. Tech also has some great speakers and bass performance.

I find that most people have their sub turned up way too high anyhow. I know with my paradigm studio 60's they go pretty low for most stereo music. Rap and R&B can give a sub a good workout though.

I would say that good subwoofers tend to start around $800 though you can get them on the used market for a song. I do have a $3k+ sub, but I picked it up used and have never seen the need to get a newer one. I certainly would like to, but I always find other places to spend my money.
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by coprock July 16, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
Agreed. M&K unfortunately went out of business. It has re-emerged under different owners, with only a few of the products they used to offer. What was amazing about M&K was their customer support, for instance providing replacement parts for 15 year-old sub. I guess it's not surprising they went under given their huge product line. They literally offered 20 different speaker lines all at overlapping price points.
by pryanh July 24, 2009 5:18 PM PDT
There are a lot of decent subs out there. I think SVS makes some of the best subs for the money. A lot of them go down to sub 20 Hz and are well maximized on performance at all levels. Pair one or more of their subs with the AS-EQ1 for room correction and you will have the best bass you can get. Placement is important, but EQ is even more important, especially when you have practical restraints in your room in terms of placement.
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by justinnjan July 26, 2009 5:41 PM PDT
Bigger is NOT always better. It depends on many factors. The cabling can be one. Possition is another. And what about watts? I recently went from a 500 watt to a 1000 watt
sytem. It was cheaper than my 500 watt, and it sounds like it. I'm not impressed. I've tried
everything to better it, outside of new speakers. I'm broke, and always will be from here on out. My system doesn't have quality control, which I had with my first one. It's all factory induced. That bummed me out. I have to listen to whatever I have at that level. Bummer. I only paid 150.00 for it, but still, at 1000 watts I expected so much more. Like Cops at my door more often. Wonder if I shoud invest in a better quality one, later??? Cops love me!!! LOL. I guess neighbors don't.
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Ex movie theater projectionist Steve Guttenberg has more or less successfully hitched his future to home theater, but he still pines for the clickity-clack of 35 MM projectors and all the stale popcorn he could eat. Between projectionist gigs he worked as a high-end audio salesman for sixteen years, and produced records for an audiophile label. Oh, and one more thing, nothing annoys Steve more than being confused with the other Steve Guttenberg, the washed-up Police Academy actor. The wordsmith Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to a number of magazines and websites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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