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March 12, 2009 6:55 AM PDT

Dolby Pro Logic IIz adds vertical dimension to surround sound

by Steve Guttenberg

Dolby has a new surround format: Pro Logic IIz.

Here we go again. Another new format with more speakers, but this time, the "surround" speakers are in the front of the room, three or four feet above the left-and right-main speakers. These height channels are designed to provide a greater sense of envelopment than previous generations of Dolby or DTS surround.

With Pro Logic IIz, some receivers will produce 9.1 channel surround.

(Credit: Dolby)

Pro Logic IIz incorporates all of the features and capabilities of Pro Logic IIx.

"Expanding on established Dolby Pro Logic II matrix-decoding innovations, Dolby Pro Logic IIz identifies and decodes spatial cues that occur naturally in all content--stereo and 5.1 broadcast, music CDs, DVDs, 5.1 and 7.1 Blu-ray Discs, and video games," the Dolby site further explains. "Dolby Pro Logic IIz processes low-level, uncorrelated information--such as ambiance and some amorphous effects like rain or wind--and directs it to the front height speakers."

(Credit: Dolby)

You don't have to buy new, specially encoded discs to experience Pro Logic IIz, but do you really want to buy another pair of speakers, wall-mount them, and run a pair of speaker wires up your wall, to the sides of your TV?

Dolby doesn't require the height speakers to be identical to the main-left or -right speakers. Some Pro Logic IIz systems will use a total of nine speakers (five front, four rear), plus one or more subwoofers.

Onkyo's TX-SR607 ($599 MSRP) is the first receiver to feature Pro Logic IIz; the company will soon offer additional models equipped with the new Dolby processor, to be announced later this year.

Onkyo's TX-SR607, Pro Logic IIz equipped.

(Credit: Onkyo)

Then again, Yamaha's higher-end receivers have had height, aka "Presence," channels for years. Those extra speakers supplement the sound from the front speakers with ambient effects produced by Yamaha's proprietary Cinema DSP, which provides various multichannel configurations up to 11 channels. Obviously, Dolby's Pro Logic IIz uses different technology, though the end result may be similar.

I haven't yet heard Dolby Pro Logic IIz, but I have a lot of experience with Yamaha's system. The Presence speakers really do "open up" the front sound stage and provide greater depth. This, in some ways, makes more sense than rear-surround channels; most listening rooms don't have enough space behind the couch for rear speakers. Extra front speakers seem to better correlate to the onscreen image (the visuals are in front of you). Pro Logic IIz or Yamaha presence speakers don't replace side- and/or rear-surround speakers.

Then again, if the idea of doing more with less appeals to you, consider the stereo home theater option, aka HT 2.0.

Steve Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to magazines and Web sites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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by kyopoboy March 12, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
I can't think of a better case study into what is meant by the law of diminishing returns...
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by robsachs March 12, 2009 12:36 PM PDT
9 speakers in a HT setup? With all that wiring running around, start buying stock in copper mines.
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by khicon March 12, 2009 5:08 PM PDT
pointless...
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by chrkeller March 13, 2009 4:13 AM PDT
I was never a believer in 7.1 over 5.1, at least in a normal sized room. So I certainly don't see the point of 9.1.
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by tigrzeye March 13, 2009 6:00 AM PDT
Great for those who can afford the space and equipment needed. For the average surround sound user, I will quote a previous poster..... pointless!
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by humblehifi March 13, 2009 6:14 AM PDT
so this is mainly for the user with high ceilings and a good custom installer... I am with poster number three and six on this one... Too much in the way of equipment and set-up... For the average user I don't think it will ever be experienced as it was envisioned due to set-up involved and fine tuning...
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by Wes#1 March 13, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
Dolby keeps trying to enhance it's image every few years with a format revisions. This time, however, they stretched it to a realm where nobody really cares: Enhancing "ambiance and some amorphous effects like rain or wind..." in the FRONT channels. Oh, please! More amps, more wire, and more speakers, just so I can ramp up background effects -- which will compete even more with the dialogue track? Sorry, no. This is Dolby's "new coke"...
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by MrGadgetman March 13, 2009 7:32 AM PDT
"New Coke"..., lol
by the_iceman March 13, 2009 7:15 AM PDT
5.1 & 7.1 are sufficient for me, thanks Dolby. Perhaps 9.1 in a movie theater enviroment works though
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by tipoo_ March 13, 2009 7:30 AM PDT
Probably too expensive for me to bother with, but it would probably be awesome for people who can afford it. imagine hearing thunder crackling above, footsteps below, and so on and so forth :-)
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by dennisl59 March 13, 2009 7:44 AM PDT
We need 11.1...why?, because it goes to ELEVEN!
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by sq33g March 13, 2009 7:51 AM PDT
I was thinking the same thing, great comment =)
by MrGadgetman March 13, 2009 7:58 AM PDT
Here we go again. The mega-channels speaker thing works good in, and I'll go as far as to say, necessary in an IMAX theater perhaps, but for home application it is not very practical. Hell, there aren't that many Blu-ray Disc movies that even support 7.1 though in all fairness several PS3 games do. I bought a Sony 7.1 system but a good 5.1 system will engulf you so well that you don't even notice that there are ONLY 5.1 channels. When a good movie's soundtrack sucks you in and you're on the edge of your seat flinching at the ricocheting crossfire (maybe that's just me!)...., who cares?!
9.1 audio is the answer to a question that nobody asked.
West#1 said it best..., It's the "New Coke"
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by planblove March 13, 2009 8:14 AM PDT
I guess Dolby won't be satisfied until the audience is completely surrounded in one big circle of speakers.
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by adlieb March 14, 2009 12:01 AM PDT
Dolby definitely will not be satisfied until you're completely surrounded by speakers. But forget a circle. PLIIz is the start of the Audio sphere concept. The high L/R channels of a system do add a greater depth to the sound stage as Steve mentioned above.

Please don't knock it until you've heard it though. I had the fantastic experience and opportunity to actually hear the 10.2 system that Audyssey and THX have been developing and it truly is better. While it is not exactly the Dolby PLIIz surround sound mode, it's the same concept. I had one of Tomlinson Holman?s former partners at Audyssey demo for me at CES this January, a 7.1 Jazz hall recording(I don't remember the female artists name in the clip), and then the 10.2 system in an A and B session. The added depth of the front stage really had the ?you are there? feeling. Not that 7.1 is bad, it?s amazing, however compared to the 10.2 system, it lacked the ?live? feeling of the High L/R channels. The added presence speakers deepen the sound stage and come about a close as possible to a REALISTIC live sound.

We really shouldn't be knocking Dolby, Onkyo, Yamaha, or any other company that continues to push the audio envelope. Additionally, those out there that are going to take the time and spend the money to get a 9.x system installed in their family room or theater or basement or studio apartment should be celebrated, not hated on by those who choose not to listen.

Furthermore, this PLIIz surround sound mode is being introduced on a mid-range Onkyo receiver, not a separates system, not their Integra line, and not on their 70X and higher receivers. The TS-XR607 mid range receiver with 90 watts per channel, is probably going to be powering sub/sat speaker systems, where adding 2 more channels isn't breaking the bank on a system. It's probably increasing the cost somewhere between 5 to 15%. Now I'm generalizing, but you get the point.

Just as a side note, I'm not an Onkyo fanboy of any sort, I'm actually a Denon CI certified installer . I have a piece of Onkyo's product, as I have pieces of many manufacturers. All I'm saying is that we're in the 21st century and its important to push the Home Theater Envelope as far as we can.

For my final note, I'd also like to point out that Vinyl rules, 2 channel MUSIC is the jam, and stereo sound will be always dominate the masses (headphones anyone??).
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by dodgeman007 March 14, 2009 11:32 PM PDT
ok, call me stupid or something but how does an amp rated at 7x90 watts produce 9 channels of audio??? i even looked on the onkyo website and it said nothing about it....
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by maung_phyo March 18, 2009 9:18 AM PDT
if i am not wrong surround back and front surround will be using same amp which means they will not output sound simultaneously.
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by dodgeman007 March 25, 2009 9:19 PM PDT
wow if thats the case what a half ass job by onkyo...
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by hk2000 April 9, 2009 4:23 PM PDT
5.1 is enough for me. Just like someone above said, even 7.1 soundtracks aren't that common!
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by Armz316 August 11, 2009 8:48 AM PDT
Thanks for Adlieb for clearing things up. I happen to own a Marantz SR5600 'im pretty much contented with my 7.1 system since i have a few dvd's with 6.1 DTS encoded disc. And yes i do have 7 speakers set up plus the sub woofer. but a 9.1 is that to much? will blue ray disc make a surround format up to 9.1? when the current is still up to 7.1. Just asking pal. Take care everyone & God bless you. By the way, is the my system better than Okyo? thanks again, just asking,
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by Armz316 August 11, 2009 8:52 AM PDT
By the way, is my system better than Oknyo? just asking. i'm a bit sleepy that's why i had a few errors on my last question. thanks everyone.
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Ex movie theater projectionist Steve Guttenberg has more or less successfully hitched his future to home theater, but he still pines for the clickity-clack of 35 MM projectors and all the stale popcorn he could eat. Between projectionist gigs he worked as a high-end audio salesman for sixteen years, and produced records for an audiophile label. Oh, and one more thing, nothing annoys Steve more than being confused with the other Steve Guttenberg, the washed-up Police Academy actor. The wordsmith Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to a number of magazines and websites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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