• On CBSSports.com: Mike Tyson's daughter dies in accident
October 8, 2008 7:16 AM PDT

Music radio? Is anybody listening anymore?

by Steve Guttenberg

I read Matt Rosoff's Digital Noise blog all the time, and his recent lamenting radio's irrelevance hit me hard.

I think Matt was mostly referring to AM or FM radio, but what about Internet or satellite radio? Me, I'm still a die hard Sirius subscriber and listen to Left of Center, Sirius Disorder, and Underground Garage channels many hours a day. They turn me onto new music all the time, so I buy an average of two CDs a week.

(Credit: Steve Guttenberg)

Of course, now that the hoopla over the Siriius/XM merger has died down and the stock price hovers around fifty cents, it seems like the stockholders don't have that strong a belief in the future of satellite radio. Or maybe they finally realized there are not enough people willing to pay $12.95 a month for commercial-free radio to make Sirius, er, profitable? Gee, I wonder if Howard Stern is the only one to score big bucks in the satellite radio biz? Did he cash out his Sirius stock long ago?

As for AM/FM terrestrial radio music stations, the audience for non-oldies music is too small to support commercial stations anymore. Matt's observation, "But apart from college radio, nobody's playing cutting-edge rock and roll with potentially broad appeal," rings true to me. Too bad.

Hey, MTV gave up on music long ago, let's face it, when the youth market isn't all that interested in music, music's future looks pretty dim. And it's not the big, bad record labels fault, no, music's appeal is fading. Then again, when you're not paying for music, it proves it's not worth anything. No wonder even "free" music on the radio can't hold its own anymore. It's worth less than zero...

Do you listen to music over AM, FM, Sirius, or Internet radio?

Steve Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to magazines and Web sites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
Recent posts from The Audiophiliac
Poll: Why don't you have an iPod or MP3 player?
$249 baby amplifier wows audiophiles
Sound vs. picture: What's a better investment?
Mixtapes vs. playlists
Tom Waits is weird
What's so great about high-end audio?
Legendary high-end speaker gets major face-lift
The Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl
Add a Comment (Log in or register) Showing 1 of 2 pages (41 Comments)
by jimbo2150 October 8, 2008 7:53 AM PDT
Pandora all the way!
Reply to this comment
by hapygirl October 20, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
I listed to music online (pandora), xm radio and traditional FM radio. I believe there's still music to be heard the old fashioned (radio) way.
by paul_psmith October 8, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
Pandora with home computer or Squeezebox. Waiting for BB client. Listen to radio in the car on way to work. That is where i get my news from. but I live in the Chicago area so we have good NPR and Classical stations.

If i want music in the car, I have a few hundred tunes on the BB and I just plug it into the car stereo.

Won't pay $12.95 per month for radio. That's just plain crazy. That's another $156 a year into my IRA...
Reply to this comment
by minimalist October 8, 2008 8:06 AM PDT
People haven?t stopped listening to music. It?s just that 95% the traditional channels that used to deliver that music have become so over commercialized and calculated that the music loving kids have moved on (as have I as an adult). Now we hundreds of interesting streaming internet radio stations to choose from and we have the hybrid on-demand/recommendation systems like Pandora.com and LastFM.com if we want to create a custom ?station? to fit our mood. I listen to streaming internet radio every day and that (along with podcasts and good review sites on the net) is my primary source of discovering new acts. When in the car it?s my iPod (or sometimes my iPhone streaming internet radio through 3G). You could disconnect my FM and AM radio and I simply wouldn?t care. And satellite radio is not that much better than terrestrial radio. I doubt I would listen to it even if it was free. It?s not the price, it?s the lack of content. I think the future of great radio is definitely the net.
Reply to this comment
by jakebala October 8, 2008 8:18 AM PDT
answering your question about howard stern and sirius stock.

not 100% sure but i know when he was brought on to do his own show they gave him a lot of incentives including stock options. which basically means he gets stock for free every year and more stock based on how well his show performs.

well, basically what howard stern did was he took all the stock he got. which was a good amount. and sold it as soon as he got it. something that is looked down upon b/c he should want to hold the stock so if it performs well he would make money. so the bad news was that howard was already pushing down the price by selling off his stock.

anyway, satellite radio is not worth it. i would never pay 13 a month for satellite radio. i listen to internet radio at work and fm in the car to and from work. if i'm at home i would not put on the radio. the only way i would want to get satellite is if i drove tons of miles. like 3-4 hrs a day. or cross-country, etc.
Reply to this comment
by Kev_Orng October 8, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
I love music radio, I just don't like DJs. But I also like talk radio, go figure.

These days my car radio preset 1 is CBC radio, and the rest are the various clear FM bands that give me the best reception on my iPod transmitter. I have 2 AM stations preset for the traffic reports in the two cities I'm most often in.

It might not have gone that way if music DJs weren't more obnoxious than commercials. Those guys are teh suck.
Reply to this comment
by lrf2005 October 8, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
</i>
Reply to this comment
by dascha1 October 8, 2008 8:59 AM PDT
When I have a net connection it's AccessMusicNetwork.com - no Scary tactics, just plain ol' good times and entertaining to help give a jump-start to my day, and at work!

Since gas prices have jumped, I've resorted from my Satellite Radio with Voice Recognition in the Chevy Suburban to an older mini-van that plays cassette tapes.
Reply to this comment
by kluups October 8, 2008 9:18 AM PDT
MTV did not give up on music because kids are not interested but because they're no longer interested.

"Then again, when you're not paying for music, it proves it's not worth anything. No wonder even "free" music on the radio can't hold its own anymore. It's worth less than zero..."

No my friend, the free music on the radio can't hold its own because it is utter crap. And free crap is still just that. The music and interest in it is very much alive it's just that now we (and especially kids) don't have to put up with the way it used to be served. With the plethora of content delivery options, be it sat radio, media player, phone, or internet, the traditional radio is on life support and... good riddance. It wasn't much fun while it lasted, and now it is finally over.

Personally I jumped on the XM bandwagon when it arrived and yes, it costs me ~$200/yr between one in my house and one in the car, but unlike the "free" FM dial, it actually serves the music as opposed to commercials with a few musical interruptions. And never mind the content of those interruptions which as I recall mostly induced vomiting. I can only hope that this musical bliss will last a while longer before they too turn to the same great and "free" business model (which it eventually will I'm sure, especially after that stupid merger).
Reply to this comment
by Grumpypaul October 8, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
As a grumpy old man I have no particular use for any pay radio system or any commercial radio. I'm a public radio guy or nothing. CD's fill in whenever I need anything I can't find on the dial. I have NO use for Stern or Opie and Dopie or any of that ilk. Unlike many others I am not a sports fan so that feature doesn't tempt me either.

As for satellite radio offering a viable option, my only experience is the package that I get with my DirecTV and I find those channels to be less than appealing. The ones that play the music I enjoy are filled with yammering "DJ's" that feel the need to fill in the spaces between the music. I am also finding that even satellite radio has playlists. Listening over enough time I find they work out of the same milk crate of CD's. After a while all I hear are the same old selections by the same old bands. The horizons appear to be limited. Just like the land based radio stations around here seem to play quite a few of artist A, where the nearby station looking to gather the same audience plays quite a few of artist B and very little, if any, of artist A, the satellite options limit their programming to similar choices.

However, just like cable TV, I expect that after a while the airwaves will be cluttered with commercial satellite stations. Once "free" channels will start with "sponsors" that will degenerate into commercials, just as the former "American Movie Classics" now AMC did. And we'll have the privilege of paying for it too!
Reply to this comment
by ennev October 8, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
The closest I'm getting to radio theses days is by getting podcast of some show on the Canadian cbc and bbc. Through radio wave ? not much anymore!
Reply to this comment
by alegr October 8, 2008 10:26 AM PDT
I only listen to radio in the car. Used to listen to KMZT, but they switched to HD radio, which I don't have. When I'm riding with my kid, I have to endure those rock music stations. I have no problem with rock music, if only those stations didn't air the same crap as 3 years ago hundredth time again and again.
Reply to this comment
by scarlsonnyc October 8, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
I'm another grumpy old man and it seems to me like the oldies stations are the best music on radio.

Is it just me?

Every generation bonds to the contemporary music on the radio. But what I see is: for the last generation much of the music has been so poor that it is difficult to bond with it.

Commercial-free satellite radio on subscription is a great idea. I wish I had a car, it'd be in there.

I think when someone comes up with a better quality of music (like the Beatles did) kids will bond and pay for music again.

As for me, I carry my iPhone 3G loaded with "oldies but goodies."
Reply to this comment
by alegr October 8, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
Much of music of ANY generation is so poor that's difficult to bond with it. Only very little percent of that is left as "oldies but goldies". At any given time. Be it Mozart or Beethoven time.
by thefunksobruva October 8, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
Just saw an MSNBC piece mentioning how lucky we are in Maryland to get WTMD (public radio, "Radio for Music People"). http://wtmd.blogspot.com/2008/10/wtmd-on-msnbccom.html

I listen all the time! Between that and NPR stations, I'm set.

Love Pandora, but blocked at work, so I listen to WTMD online, or sub.fm or rinse.fm. (until they block those too, I guess...)
Reply to this comment
by mgarc1125 October 8, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
Pandora
Reply to this comment
by pinellasproofer October 8, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
I used to drive 1 hour to get to work, and Sirius was a lifesaver. Now that I only drive 30 minutes, it's more of a luxury item. I listen to Howard Stern and sports talk more than music, but Lithium ('90s grunge) is better than anything on free radio. I'm mature enough to hear cuss words and immature enough to want to hear them. The fight against government/corporate censorship is worth supporting.
Reply to this comment
by audiotruth October 8, 2008 1:36 PM PDT
I would be crushed by a loss of Internet radio. AM/FM radio has been utterly abysmal for years, playing the same 50 songs over and over and over per any given format.
And the sound quality of Sirius and XM are terrible, far worse than even typical FM stations.

But listening to Shoutcast stations on Winamp is amazing. Endless content, always lots of new content, and mp3 sound quality. Stations like Groove Salad, Radio Nigel, Morow, Club 977, SKY FM, SmoothJazz, are all simply wonderful. And you can do alot by supporting these stations with a couple of bucks per month.
If you haven't experienced Shoutcast stations on Winamp, give it a whirl. Start somewhere at about $60 and up for a set of 2.1 speakers or about $85 and up for 5.1 speakers.... you will be amazed.
Reply to this comment
by nowimcool October 8, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
Stern's contract is up in about two years ... he got enough money from that deal to retire very comfortably! My prediction is he won't renew his contract (even though he says he loves sat radio - he has to say that!), people will leave satellite radio by the masses (the Sirius subs anyway) and sat. radio will die a slow death.

I do have a sirius radio, and I love it ... but I can't see it being viable.

To my knowledge the Canadian Sirius (which is seperate from SiriusXM and XM Canada) is the only sat. radio company that is currently in the black ... but that means nothing if siriusxm goes broke.
Reply to this comment
by rdinocco October 8, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
I'm a big Slacker.com fan....I find most of my new music there, and they rarely interrupt the music with self promotion.
Reply to this comment
by vrette October 8, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
The only reason I have XM is to listen to the comedy channels in the car. Unfortunately, those channels aren't commercial free, so I'm essentially paying to listen to commercials about "enlarging that special part" or "surprising my lover with a new gift." XM has a nice variety of music channels, but the compression makes them sound like crap. I ended up telling XM that I wasn't renewing for these reasons last go round, and they reduced the payment to $6.50 a month. Quite frankly, I don't think it is worth it at even this reduced price.
Reply to this comment
by betomiller October 8, 2008 2:54 PM PDT
I listen to Internet Radio every time I need to center myself and distance from the constant barrage of advertising on commercial radio. XM doesn't interest me.
Reply to this comment
Showing 1 of 2 pages (41 Comments)
advertisement
Click Here

Making sense of Windows 7 upgrades

faq The basics and the fine print on Microsoft's options for those eyeing the next operating system from Redmond.
• Full Windows 7 coverage

Road Trip 2009: Big Sky Country

CNET News reporter Daniel Terdiman takes his car full of gadgets to the Rockies and the Great Plains in search of tech, science, nature, and more.
• America's Fortress: Cheyenne Mountain

About The Audiophiliac

Ex movie theater projectionist Steve Guttenberg has more or less successfully hitched his future to home theater, but he still pines for the clickity-clack of 35 MM projectors and all the stale popcorn he could eat. Between projectionist gigs he worked as a high-end audio salesman for sixteen years, and produced records for an audiophile label. Oh, and one more thing, nothing annoys Steve more than being confused with the other Steve Guttenberg, the washed-up Police Academy actor. The wordsmith Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to a number of magazines and websites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

Add this feed to your online news reader

The Audiophiliac topics

advertisement
advertisement

Inside CNET News

Scroll Left Scroll Right