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February 6, 2008 8:31 AM PST

End of the line for Canon's midsize sensor?

by Stephen Shankland
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It looks like Canon's intermediate-size APS-H sensor line, found in the 1D Mark III SLRs used by photojournalists, may be at the end of its life span.

A silicon chip wafer from Canon can fit only 20 full-frame sensors, and there's lots of wasted real estate.

(Credit: Canon)

The sensor is larger than the APS-C sensors used in mainstream Canon SLRs such as the EOS-40D or the new Canon EOS Rebel XSi, but it's smaller than those in a 1Ds Mark III or 5D, which is the size of a full frame of 35mm film. With Nikon now selling its first full-frame model, the D3, and Sony planning to launch its own full-frame competitor by the end of 2008, I have been curious if those developments meant momentum is shifting toward full-frame. Accordingly, at the Photo Marketing Association trade show, I asked Chuck Westfall, technical adviser for Canon USA's professional products marketing division, about the future of APS-H.

He didn't say anything definite (click here for the full Westfall Q&A), but it's hard to feel optimistic about the format's future. Westfall said the only advantage APS-H has over full-frame is price. And although that's significant, I can't help but notice that Nikon's full-frame D3 is a strong competitor to the 1D Mark III that largely matches its price.

"When we started it at the time, the idea was to compete against APS-C. In that respect it was successful...We've had a good, long run with APS-H," Westfall said. "Going forward, it remains to be seen whether it will continue to be a desirable format. We're not ready to say it's over."

With a rosier future for full-frame cameras, it's not clear to me that anyone will really miss APS-H if it goes extinct.

Chuck Westfall

(Credit: Canon)

With Nikon showing that price doesn't need to be as much of an issue, the photojournalists who are the core market for the 1D Mark III could fare just fine with a full-frame model designed for their high-speed, low-light needs--the 1D Mark IV, perhaps. And for those photogs on the NFL sidelines who might like APS-H's slight telephoto effect, there could be an equivalent to the Nikon D3's DX crop mode that captures only central pixels from the sensor.

For background, there are some good reasons to employ different sensor sizes. Larger sensors of a given megapixel count permit larger pixels that do a better job distinguishing the signal of incoming light from electronic noise in the sensor, so photos have fewer speckles, colors remain more true, and cameras work better in low light. But large image sensors cost a lot more to build.

In the compact camera domain, there are multiple image-sensor sizes in use, but customers rarely know which because the lens is matched to it. In SLRs, though, where lenses are interchangeable, sensor size makes a difference. Lenses behave the same way as in the film era with cameras equipped with full-frame sensors, but the field of view is cropped more narrowly with APS-H and APS-C.

Because of this field-of-view crop factor, the field of view is 1.3 times narrower on an APS-H camera than a full-frame camera and 1.6 times narrower on an APS-C camera.

So for example, a 50mm lens on a full-frame 1Ds Mark III has the same field of view as a 38mm lens on an APS-H 1D Mark III and a 31mm lens on a Rebel XSi.

For telephoto shooting, smaller sensors are generally OK, in effect amplifying the ability to reach distant subjects. For wide-angle lenses, though, the arrival of SLRs with sensors smaller than full-frame initially posed problems. Now, though, camera makers have released new lenses with shorter focal lengths to cover the wider field of view.

Update 12:21 p.m. PST: Mike Baird, Ask.com's first vice president of engineering but now an avid camera buff, is one photographer who expects his 1D Mark III to be his last camera to have a sensor smaller than a full frame.

"I thoroughly expect the sub-35mm sensors to go away in the pro market," Baird said. "The APS-H 1D Mark III has replaced all of my APS-C cameras...I'd like the 1Ds Mark III, but I'm spending all my money on lenses."

Update at 8 a.m. PST on February 7: Westfall's title at Canon has changed and been duly noted.

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank.
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The next step?
by lmasanti February 6, 2008 10:04 AM PST
"35mm" photographs started when someone put a roll of 35mm
movie film "horizontaly" in a photo camera to get "still" with
exact the same film that the movie was rolled by.
The movie camera run this film "vertically" and get a landscape
image. In the photo camera it was done with the "plate" and in a
size of 34x28mm.
And from there on we have this format.

With the advent of Digital cameras and costly sensors the size
was reduced but the "format/dimension" kept.
Now we have "full frame sensors".

What's the next step? We have full optics (not the ones used in
the small sensors) that can provide a wonderfull image for a
"34x34" full-squared sensor.

Then, we'll got a "Hassellblad (non-D)" or "Studio" camera
format right in our hands!

(I do remember that the first "Kodak Fiesta" had a different
photo format. Also, the "spy-cameras" --using 16mm movie
film-- also has another formats)
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is it just me?
by jll6607 February 6, 2008 10:32 AM PST
50mm on a full frame DSLR become wider on a 1.3X or 1.6 FOV camera? I thought it should be the other way around. A 50mm on a 5D becomes 65mm on a 1D and 80mm on a 40D.
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50mm full frame = 80mm APS-C
by Andrew Wolfe February 6, 2008 11:02 AM PST
You are right - the story is wrong.
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Price the only difference?
by timothy gray February 6, 2008 11:11 AM PST
Somebody's missing something. For a professional it's more functionality than price. In any event, since when can a 22mpx ff deliver 10fps? It's that statistic (as well as AF performance) that defines the functional metrics for the market segment targetted by the APS H sensor.

Having said that, I could see 2 ff models, one 'low' rez, high speed (say 12mpx) and the ff high rez model. But price isn't the only difference.
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Compare 1D Mark III to Nikon D3, not to Canon 1Ds Mark III
by Shankland February 6, 2008 11:57 AM PST
It's true the 1Ds Mark III shoots a lot slower than the 1D Mark III, but bear in mind that some of that is that it has only one Digic III chip to process the images and it has a focus on lots of pixels for the studio-shooter crowd. The Nikon D3, on the other hand, has 12 megapixels on a full-frame sensor and can shoot at 9 frames per second. I'm sure it's tougher to make a larger shutter and mirror for a prospective full-frame 1D Mark IV, but Nikon's D3 can shoot 11 frames per second in DX crop mode, so it seems the mechanical limits aren't insurmountable, either.

And yes, pros care about functionality, but I have yet to meet one who doesn't care about price, too.
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Manufacturing Considerations?
by super.nova.org February 6, 2008 6:52 PM PST
In a Canon White Paper on sensors published a year or so ago it
was revealed that the APS-H sensor was the largest which could
be exposed on the wafer with one step. The full-frame sensors
require three stepped exposures which when spoilage and lower
yield is considered must make them much more expensive to
make. It would seem to make some marketing sense to keep the
xxxD line in APS-C, migrate the xxD line to APS-H, and make all
the xD Full-Frame.
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Why not to move 40D etc. to APS-H
by Shankland February 7, 2008 10:00 PM PST
The 20D, 30D, and 40D cameras all support EF-S lenses, which are specifically designed for APS-C sensors. I don't think you'd want to break that pattern, because then many people upgrading from xxxD such as Rebel XT, XTi, and forthcoming XSi (350D, 400D, 450D) would be required to buy new EF lenses. It's smart to offer an APS-C-based upgrade from the entry-level, I think.
by SX10 IS November 11, 2009 2:44 PM PST
Well, Canon disagrees, cuz they introduced the EOS-1 D Mark IV with APS-H.
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