Poll: Best SLR rivals to Canon and Nikon
Update 8:12 a.m. PST: We added Fujifilm to the poll.
Canon and Nikon dominate the SLR camera business, but if you're entering the market or buying a new camera, it would behoove you to look at other options, too.
One interesting question, though, is who's got the best alternatives today. It's a relevant question for someone buying a first SLR or deciding whether to stick with an existing brand or change. From another perspective, who should Nikon and Canon be fretting about most among competitors?
I'd love to see your vote and hear your likes and dislikes, and other thoughts in the Talkback section below.
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There are two broad classes of alternatives. First, the companies that already have an established presence in the camera market: Fujifilm, Leica, Olympus, Pentax, and Sigma. Second are the newcomers from the consumer electronics realm: Panasonic, Samsung, and Sony.
There are some alliances here that make that rough division more complicated than might appear at first blush. First, Sony's SLR effort is built on the assets it acquired from Konica-Minolta, a longtime SLR maker. Second, Samsung's SLRs at present are basically rebadged Pentax models with some minor differences, such as a blue ring around the lenses rather than a green one. Third, Panasonic has a technology partnership with Leica, and both those makers' lenses use the Four Thirds system that Olympus founded when it introduced digital SLRs.
Those partnerships all are important not just because the newcomers can get a technological boost, but also because it means buyers have a wider choice of lenses. A lot of people never buy any lens besides the basic "kit" lens that came with the camera. But for those who want to grow, it's good to have a bunch of telephotos, wide angles, fixed-focal length primes, macros, and fisheyes to choose from.
I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, but one thing that unites all those chasing Nikon and Canon is the decision to build image stabilization into the camera body rather than into the lens. With that approach, the image sensor shifts side to side and sometimes rotationally to compensate for the photographer's shaky hands. It also means that image stabilization works with older lenses and doesn't have to be built into new ones. On the flip side, Nikon and Canon argue for putting image stabilization into the lens, which they argue produces better results.
Another big difference is that only Nikon and Canon so far have models with full-frame image sensors.
If you're wedded to the big two, you might be curious to know how users voted earlier this month in our Canon vs. Nikon SLR poll: Nikon beat Canon with 55 percent of more than 11,000 voters. (Yes, we do employ measures to prevent people from voting multiple times.)
But for those evaluating the alternatives, here are some other tidbits to consider.
The Four Thirds allies have the benefit of a clean break from the film past, with all-new lenses designed for the sensors that are smaller than a full frame of 35mm film. That means they could design lenses that are smaller and cheaper than those who have to worry about supporting older film cameras or who are planning on offering full-frame models in the future. And it means customers can intermix nice lenses from one company with cameras from another, a nice break from the usual SLR lens incompatibility barriers.
Images from Four Thirds cameras have an aspect ratio of 4:3 (surprise!), the squarish proportions used in standard-definition TVs. But 35mm film cameras, as well as the digital SLRs from Pentax, Samsung, Sony, and Sigma, use a more 3:2 ratio. Personally, I prefer the latter, since it permits more dramatic vertical or horizontal orientations. And bear in mind that HDTV uses an even wider 16:9 ratio.
Fujifilm uses the same camera bodies as Nikon, meaning that the lenses are compatible, but it uses its own sensor design, called SuperCCD. These sensors employ an unconventional pixel layout that in effect devotes two sensor sites to each pixel, expanding the dynamic range of the image at the expense of a lower overall pixel count.
Sony not only has benefit of its Konica-Minolta history, it also has a lot of in-house manufacturing expertise--notably image sensors. That allows it to control more of its own destiny, plump up profit margins, and tightly integrate components.
Sigma uses Foveon's unusual image sensor in its SD14 digital SLR. Most image sensors have a checkerboard pattern of red, green, and blue pixels; the camera processes the data to produce red, green, and blue values for each pixel after the fact. In contrast, Foveon's sensor captures red, green, and blue data for each pixel. In theory that could mean images with finer detail and fewer pesky artifacts, but in practice it's hard to overlook the conspicuous absence so far of Foveon chips elsewhere in the industry.
Panasonic and Sony have released only two SLRs each so far, one in 2006 and one in 2007, but bet on them to flesh out their product lines to reach a broader market. Sony in particular has promised a new professional-grade model--an ambitious move--but the company already has released a sizable number of new lenses.
Olympus and Pentax may not have the professional-market clout of Canon and Nikon, but they're trying hard to appeal to higher-end users. Olympus' new, top-end E-3 and Pentax's flagship K10D both are designed to resist water and dust, for example.
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The ranges and tone are better.
And yes I've shot with both Nikon and Canon, use Canons on a regular basis when I contract out work for one studio.
So shoot print and compare.
I shoot weddings, portraits, art, commercial.
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john
of the best shots I've had. I'm a happy 5D owner now, but the Fuji
DSLR's are certainly top-quality.
about Fuji? My bro went from his 3rd Nikon SLR to a Fuji, and loves
it. I bought the N40x, around thxgiving after extensive research on
cnet. And I can vouch for my research (i only read what was
published) - the Nikon SLR's and lenses are just phenomenal. FYI,
not a big fan of the electronics.
I am a die hard 35mm film camera guy, and own 2 Canons, 1
Pentax SLR's. My first Digital SLR is this Nikon D40x.
Several friends were also in the market and chose other makes
and models. Sometimes we trade just to learn what life is like "on
the other side."
I have to say, while Pentax doesn't have the lineup to compete
with Canon and Nikon in every segment of the dSLR market, the
K10D and their other offerings are fantastic cameras for the
price. I truly believe what they offer is a step above Sony,
Olympus et al.
If Pentax's market share isn't growing by leaps and bounds, it's
only because of poor marketing, because they've got a good
stable of bodies and a wonderful history of lenses & equipment
supporting them.
I'd definitely say Pentax is the best rival, based on my use.
4/3 system lenses are near telecentric, which means the light comes out of the lens perpendicular to the sensor, which produces sharper edges, particularly in high-contrast situations. This is a huge advantage with a solid-state sensor. Also, the 1.33 aspect ratio produces less vignetting than a 1.5 aspect ratio.
The Olympus 4/3 lenses that I have used are first-rate. Because the image sensor is smaller, lenses can be smaller, lighter, and brighter. There are over 30 4/3 lenses available today, all designed for digital photography. (http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/oly-e/lenses.html)
I don't have Nikon or Canon envy. I own 2 Olympus 4/3 SLRs, and I am damn happy about it.
I read up on the E-500 and found some pretty solid reviews. A lot of them mentioned the shortcomings of the camera itself being a lot of noise in low light and a few other things, but nothing that would have made me justify spending twice that on different brand with 2 lens.
I've been very happy with the E-500 so far and if I ever get serious about photography to the point where I would be willing to shell out the big bucks, I would definitely look at Olympus first. I think the E-500 was a great entry level camera for those not sure about digital SLR.
edge in the pro market, but the Nikon D3 just blew the doors off
the 1D Mark III. Watch, the next Nikon is likely to compete very
nicely with the 1Ds Mark III. (I use the 1Ds Mark II at work.)
Nikon has better profits than Canon on DSLRs due to the
popularity of the D40(x), D80 and D200. So sales, which are
better on low-end cameras such as these, make up for the lack
of a few pro photographers in comparison. This has always been
the way it was from the beginning of SLRs. Nikon and Canon
duking it out, with pro sales giving them bragging rights, but
sales to amateurs giving them market share. Nikon was the
leader for many years, but stumbled at the advent of AF.
Now they're back.
Build quality is superb, image quality with the kit lens is amazing for its price, and ease of use is outstanding, whether in full auto mode, full manual mode, or anywhere in between.
And Pentax offers a substantial cost advantage, at entry and for later lens purchases when image stabilization is useful. Which is almost all the time.
If the marketing just kept up with the quality of the camera and its output, it would be a three-horse race with Pentax by a nose for users trying SLR for the first time.
But I also want one with a decent sensor so that if a year or two from now, my images can be upped for stock photos.
I can't afford a Hassie or OneBack. But I want a VG dSLR that allows for my best RAWs for use later.
Any ideas? Sigma's idea is nice but not proven enough.
If you don't need all the speed of the upper end Nikons and Canon then go for the image, and with the dynamic range, skin tones, and film simulation modes of the Fuji, I don't believe you can go wrong.
Also Nikon glass is very good.
Also don't get hung up in the mega pixel hype print and look at the images, that and your style and subject matter is what should drive the decision.
I'm glad Nikon now has a full-frame digital body, but still too expensive for a hobby.
effort to take good pictures. The bigger glass for 4/3 do exist.
Check out the range lenses from Olympus, Sigma and Leica. You'll
be surprised to see and f1... an f2 or an f2.8 wide angle zoom all
of those require big glass.
Sorry, but Sony is on my "Buy under NO circumstances" list
I agree. Sony makes decent hardware, but their practices are the worst in the market.
All the dSLRs are nice, and have their plusses and minusses. However, I feel like Pentax represents the best overall value.
lenses. Even their 16-45 mm lens is extremely sharp. I have a 77
mm f1.8 that is perfect for portrait head shots. The weather sealed
body and the interchangeable focus screens also add a lot of value
to them.
So a Vote for Pentax from me!
Get yourself an E-510...and then start saving for up for the E-3. Worried about what the photopros will think when you wheel up with your Oly? Don't. Let them play keep-up-with-the-joneses. You'll be taking great pictures...Oh yeah, and in the rain, if you have the E-3.
Most bang for the buck, case big enough to handle and the enduring Olympus ruggedness makes it a camera you can have for a while.
Oh yeah, and it takes awsome pictures. :-)
What are the specs needed for a digital camera that can produce a raw image that is better and bigger than a good scan from a 35mm slide?
I want to jump to digital, but I don't want a downgrade in the 100 meg, 7000x5000px, 600dpi that I currently get from scanning 35mm slides.
If you are scanning 35mm film and presuming you are scanning at 2700dpi (there is no point at scanning at a higher density because of the granuality of the film), then you should end up with a picture size of roughly 3800 x 2500 = 9.5Mp. For a 24bit image this will generate a file size of roughly 28.5 MB and if the colour depth is higher (up to 48bit) then the file size will be roughly 57MB.
If you truly are getting 7000 x 5000 (35Mp) then a 24bit image will indeed be 105MB. But this means that you are scanning at a density of approximately 5000dpi which seems to be an awful amount of overkill for 35mm to me.
So... if you are truly using 5000dpi scanning density then no digital camera other than some large format scanbacks could possibly come near it. However, if you normally use a 2700dpi scanner then there are cameras a few SLR-type digicams that are capable of higher resolution.
However, obviously resolution on its own isn't enough and to a certain extent the type of subject that you are shooting will determine whether slide or digital is most appropriate.
As you point out, there are issues including resolution and dynamic range to consider. But there are also other factors that I find compelling about digital: the image is right there, with no need for scanning, which I find to be a dismally tedious process even with a small number of frames. I can check the histogram on the screen to better evaluate exposure on the spot. And all the R&D and therefore all the shiny new camera features are on the digital side.
If image quality is paramount and you're willing to put a lot of money into photography, digital medium-format cameras (e.g. Hasselblad or Hasselblad + Phase One digital back) offer some pretty nice 39-megapixel photos.
years. And right now the work I do is extremely color critical.
Digital gives me much better color quality than film ever could.
Absolute consistency and perfect white balance. Film can never
match that.
Second, just look at the sky with film and then with digital (with
a pro-level DSLR). You'll see clumps of grain/dye in the sky with
film, even down to Kodachrome Professional 25, let alone Velvia.
Black and white is even more pronounced.
Sharpness? Digital beats film. The top digital SLRs are so good
you won't believe it. I shoot with a 1Ds Mark II at work, and word
out is the 1Ds Mark III is even better. At 125 megs, the 1Ds Mark
III beats anything but large format film. Not even medium format
film beats it consistently.
Digital gives you more control. If you shoot RAW and know what
you're doing. There is simply no competition. Film is for
hobbyists and specialists. For most photographers, digital is
already better.
And I was a film bigot until I started using a 6.3 megapixel
Canon. Once I had to use it on a job, I never looked back.
you want 7000x5000 pixel images, then stick with film.
But in my opinion that's a poor way of measuring how digital
"cometes" with film. More important in my opinion:
1. Immediate feedback. I can see the picture I've just taken and
know if something unexpected is amiss (happens less and less
as my technique improves, but always helpful).
2. Better performance at higher speeds. A dSLR image taken at
ISO 1600 is going to have more detail than any film at 1600.
3. White balance correction. No more "I'd take this shot but I
have tungsten film in my camera right now" problems.
If none of those things matter to you, then stick with film. With a
good setup film can be great ? if you require incredible
resolution, would rather spend your money on film than on
equipment (film bodies can be had for nothing nowadays), and
don't need to flexibility that shooting digital offers, by all means
keep doing what you're doing the "old fashioned" way.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But make sure you're looking beyond
# of pixels...
1. Its a waste of time scanning at over 4000 dpi, film doesnt have anymore detail than that.
2. The equivalent digital resolution you'll need is highly dependent upon the film you use. For ISO 50 Velvia you'll need around 20mp. This drops really fast with increasing speed. For iso 100 you need just over 10MP.
So depending on what you shot you could need as much as a $7000 canon or around $1300 for a sony A700 or canon 40D.
1) Most people will never get close to using a drum scanner.
2) Ordinary film scanners already pull out all the detail possible in film, right down to the grain; you aren't getting any more detail past the grain.
3) The resolution of slide film is worse than for negative film.
4) Side-by-side comparisons show that digital already surpasses the resolution of 35 mm film.
5) All the talk on resolution ignores the other important technical qualities of a photo medium, such as dynamic range. The dynamic range of electronic sensors has easily beat that of film virtually from the beginning.
I would pit a Canon 1Ds Mark II (or III) against your 35 mm film camera any day.
and so it goes...
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with Shutter speed; something like 1/24,000. Canon is slower
at 1/3200. So that is one aspect to look at. Will you need the
shutter speed to be as amazingly fast as the Nikon?
Burst shots.. Number of shots you can take without letting up.
RAW files are huge. That will slow you down compared to using
the JPEG, but it gives you a lot of manipulation and control when
you need to edit. So shots taken at the game will be crisp rather
than the blur the "consumer end" $199 camera would have
produced.
One of the best points is what you are familiar with. If you are
adapted to using the Nikon stick with it. Same if you are a
Canon person. Both have HUGE lens selections.
However, remember, the body will be about 1/3 of your costs.
You will need lenses, a case or two, tripod and or monopod,
heads (what goes on top of the tripod) possibly a good flash. It
all adds up fast. If you travel, buy a carry-on that can support
your camera gear (maybe not the tripod) in the overhead
compartments. NEVER trust them putting it in the belly. I just
purchased a hard-shell case for my camera body and maybe
one lens to fit inside my carry-on. Overkill never hurts in
protecting your gear.
Then Canon came out with IS(DAMM). I than got a Canon AE2, follow by an Elan2e, followed by one of the best lenses made by Canon 100-400mmf3.5-f4.5 HSM IS ETC.,ETC. This lens at least mine is tack sharp at all focal lenghts. It has very little abarations, it is just a wonderful lens, and I was sold on Canon.
Several years later, I am now retired and the Digital age has arrived and mere mortals can actually aford a digital camera with more than 1megapixal. Being near the end of my fiscal rope I bought a Canon rebel XTi wirh 10.? megapixels. Great images. I really do love these new digital cameras. I was going through some of my stuff in the back of the closet and found 5 or 6 nikkor lenses and my f5 himmmm. I really like digital photography, it would be a shame to waste these lenses, I guess I will buy a Nikon D40 at Walmart.
Guess what the D40 will not autofocus any of my lenses. the D40 and the D40x will work in autofocus only with newer AF-S lenses. Also discovered my old Medical Nikkor, ,looked it up mand so far as far as I can find out it will not work at all with the D40 series. Did some homework. Discovered the D80 camera body has the internal focus motor and will work with just about any nikkor that is AI or newer. All autofocus works, any lens built after 1980 at least, or any Nikkor with contacts will workas designed. HOORAY, my Medical Nikkor also works as suprise suprise the built ringlight flash, which I find strange as on other pre-digital flash will work, except the sb28 in manual. So I like both, have a large invesment in both and am stuck with using both systems forever. BTW have you seen how much film camera bodies have lost value? My Nikon F5 which cost me near $3000.00 is now worth in mint condition only around $500-$600.00. That is tragic.
Nikon (IMHO) made a strategic mistake in crippling the D40(x). Why give up that compatibility, especially when their other cameras maintained some compatibility? I guess it goes back to what type of regard a company holds for their existing customers.
In theory and in practice the Foveon imager(sensor) works by providing pixel level detail and sharpness. Many company does not use them because they already develop their own not because it does not work.
Second, all of the old Pentax lenses work-my favorite portrait lens is a 135/2.8mf that I got at an auction for 20 bucks!
Third, nobody can touch the K10 for the value, especially when you consider the weather sealing.
Pentax, as a corporation has the right attitude, I've never had an email they did not answer.
- Pentax will be #1 - Soon.
- by bigK67 December 26, 2007 1:59 AM PST
- Pentax has the Pedigree, History and (now with the Hoya merger)the resources and technology to be number 1.
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Showing 1 of 2 pages (50 Comments)If Canon & Nikon think they can win back the market with FF, just imagine what an affordable Pentax Medium Format camera will do. We may just see one, someday.
Till then Pentax still offers the best value quality built DSLR.