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June 23, 2008 12:00 PM PDT

Psystar's Open Computer the alterna-Mac

by Tom Krazit
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After about a month with Psystar's Open Computer, as long as I ignore the big ugly box underneath my desk it's easy to forget that this isn't a Mac.

For about a week or so in April, Psystar dominated the tech headlines with the launch of its Open Computer, a relatively cheap desktop computer with one notable feature: Apple's Mac OS X Leopard preinstalled. That's technically a violation of Apple's end-user licensing agreement for its operating system, and requires Psystar to circumvent Apple's restrictions on Leopard's use by adding low-level software that tricks Leopard into believing it's about to be installed on an approved piece of hardware.

My Open Computer. The little latch at the bottom is stuck in that position.

(Credit: James Martin/CNET News.com)

Since last month Psystar has been relatively quiet, shipping Open Computers out of its Miami, Florida facility with no apparent legal challenge from Apple--at least yet. Rudy Pedraza, Psystar's CEO, declined to comment on any legal issues regarding Apple, citing the advice of his attorneys, but did say that Apple has yet to contact the company. An Apple representative did not respond to requests for comment.

Pedraza likewise declined to provide specifics on exactly how many Open Computers the company has sold to date, but said the number is in the "thousands." The Open Computer is also available with Linux and Windows, but Leopard systems are the most popular option among Psystar's customers.

"Most of our customers are people that have never had a Mac or wanted a Mac but couldn't afford one," Pedraza said. He's seeing interest from businesses as well, such as smaller graphics shops that want to replace their aging Macs but can't afford to equip their staff with $2,799 Mac Pros or $1,999 MacBook Pros.

I was one of the first to order an Open Computer, and to be totally honest, we ordered one in large part to verify whether or not Psystar was a legitimate operation, as its legitimacy was challenged by several bloggers in the frenzy surrounding its debut. I'm not a formal reviewer, leaving that business up to the talented and capable Rich Brown in New York. He reviewed one of the first Open Computers to leave Psystar's facility, and the one I'm using is a slightly updated version that fixed the annoying cooling fan issue..

But I have been using the Open Computer as my primary work system for about a month--except for breaking out the ThinkPad to live-blog WWDC--and in just about everything but the name, this is a Mac.

There are a few differences between the Open Computer and the Macs I currently use. The most noticeable one is that the Open Computer takes much longer to boot, probably due to the fact that the Open Computer has to run some emulation code to get around Apple's restrictions and get Mac OS X up and running. The process isn't nearly as long as my ThinkPad takes to boot, but it's noticeable.

The boot time grew longer, as well, after I downloaded the Mac OS X 10.5.3 update from Psystar. The company "vets" all software updates from Apple to essentially make sure that you don't download something that would hose your Open Computer. I installed the 10.5.3 update as they suggested without incident, but the update has now made the boot time longer by a matter of a few seconds, which Pedraza said was due to the size of the 10.5.3 update.

I plumbed the desks of CNET's software reviewers for both Apple and third-party applications to install on the Open Computer, and all have worked seamlessly. I suppose that violated the licensing agreement for all of those titles as well, since I'm not installing them on "a single Apple-labeled computer," but in for a penny, in for a pound.

I'm running iLife '08, Microsoft Word '08, FileMaker Pro 8.5, and Photoshop Elements without incident. I was going to try and install Final Cut Studio 2 to really put this thing through its paces, but I opted for Intel's integrated graphics when I bought the system, and the release notes call for a real graphics card. Rich put the Open Computer through several standard CNET benchmarks in his review, if you're interested in performance information.

CNET's IT department configured Microsoft's Entourage for Mac to get my corporate e-mail up and running, although with a curious glance at the black box beneath my desk. We submit our help desk tickets by operating system, not hardware, so I think the guy was expecting to see a shiny MacBook Pro when he arrived up on the 6th floor, not a black desktop.

One other interesting development is that Software Update now works; it was disabled by Psystar in the early days of Open Computing. Pedraza declined to get into specifics, but apparently when Software Update automatically runs depending on the schedule you choose, the Open Computer contacts Psystar's servers to make sure you're downloading updates from them, not from Apple directly. I downloaded two iPhoto '08 updates as well as a Garage Band update without incident through the Software Update process. UPDATE 12:30pm - Pedraza wanted to clarify this part; the Open Computer does contact Psystar when Software Update runs to check the available updates against a list maintained by Psystar, but the company does not host the updates for products like iLife, those are downloaded from Apple. It does, however, host files for Mac OS X updates, and recommends that Open Computer owners download those updates from Psystar.

During the early days with the Open Computer, selecting Software Update from the pull-down menu resulted in a networking error. Psystar still plans to recommend that Open Computer users download Leopard updates from Psystar's Web site to make sure any updates Apple sends won't cause problems for the Open Computer, sort of like what happened to iPhone owners who had jailbroken their phone when they downloaded the OS X 1.1.1 update.

A Power Computing poster inside our offices at CNET, hearkening back to the last time Apple permitted cloning of its operating system in the 1990s. Kind of ironic now, since Intel's chips make the Open Computer possible.

(Credit: Tom Krazit/CNET News.com)

So what's next for Psystar? Just last week, Psystar began selling a rack-mount server version of the Open Computer with Leopard preinstalled. The company is also working on international distribution, as Pedraza expects a lot of demand in Europe. And in the coming weeks, Psystar will ship a Leopard restore disc to everyone who has ordered a Leopard Open Computer so far, and will include such a disc going forward with shipments of Leopard-based Open Computers.

Few style points will be awarded to Open Computer users. The PC industry has largely been moving away from these sorts of tower chassis systems; Apple abandoned them for its mainstream consumer PCs years ago. The desktop PC market itself has been in a steady decline in the U.S. for over a year, as people gravitate toward notebooks.

But there's still demand for desktops among certain customers, such as corporations and in emerging markets where cost is more of an issue. This could turn into a persistent thorn in Apple's side if Psystar continues to grow.

Apple's marketing has always insisted that the unique combination of hardware and software designed to work in tandem is what makes a Mac a Mac. And that's true to a certain extent, in the sense that limiting the number of potential hardware and peripheral combinations that Mac OS X will have to interact with improves reliability and stability, and ensures that quality hardware is used to run the software.

But after a month of using the Open Computer at work and my usual MacBook Pro at home, it's clear that Mac OS X Leopard is Mac OS X Leopard, regardless of the hardware that lies underneath. Notebook customers may indeed buy their systems for the combination of stylish hardware and Mac OS X, but desktop buyers or corporate buyers don't necessarily care about looking stylish in a Valencia Street coffee shop.

The software is where you spend your time; it's where you form an attachment with your computer, and can be a source of either pleasure or frustration. Apple's hardware design prowess is a source of pride and profit, but it also means the company doesn't do cheap generic hardware. If you want to get the same software experience as a Mac for several hundred dollars cheaper, and are willing to forgo mobility and style, the Open Computer works.

Demand for the Mac has probably never been higher, which has a lot to do with the way Apple has developed its products, but it also has a lot to do with the way Microsoft has developed its products. "People want alternatives," Pedraza said.

And after an month, I'd have to say that the Open Computer is a solid--if dowdy--Mac alternative.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by jezmondo June 23, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
Well yeah, this is all true - it's Mac OS that makes a Mac, a Mac. Just as a PC running Linux is a totally different beast as the same system running Windows.

But still, there is the issue of the EULA - you're breaking it. This might seem like some small legal point, and possibly today it is. But if this computer gains any kind of traction in the market Apple must act. Simply put their business model demands that Mac OS X only runs on their hardware. On that day your computer stops being a Mac.

This fact alone makes this a very poor alternative to the Mac.
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by rumblestrut June 23, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
Wouldn't it be funny if Pystar was owned by Apple, and was actually being used as a way to test the waters for selling Mac OS X to mainstream hardware manufacturers?

I know, I know. It sounds far fetched. Apple would never deliberately mislead the public to mask an upcoming product announcement.

*cough* iPhone *cough*.
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by applusr June 23, 2008 9:48 PM PDT
Sorry not going to happen, Apple has standards.
by flemingho June 23, 2008 1:01 PM PDT
So, if these guys can have a "Mac" at a lower price tag, why does Apple Mac's cost so much more? I'd like to get an Apple but not at the current prices.
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by pjonesCET June 23, 2008 1:54 PM PDT
Mac cost so much more, Because unlike Most PC that put in what ever hard Drive or CD/DVD , power Supply or whatever they can lay their hands on that the cheapest for That day. Apple requires That any suppliers of Parts are certified to develiver products and certain specs and Quality.

Unles there is a a Paradigm shift in technology, could last as long as 10-15 years or more. Where typical PC might need replacement ever 3-5 years.
by groink_hi June 23, 2008 5:09 PM PDT
No computer company can beat Apple in quality of every single component they use to build a computer - right down to the screws. Every piece of metal is sanded (and won't cut you.) Every inch of cable is required and accounted for (clones tend to restrict air flow inside with un-fitted cabling.) I currently run a Power Mac 8600 with Mac OS 9.1, and right now it is about 12 years old. The interior and components are still original (even the ZIP drive still functions.) Any other PC - it would've either died by now or become heavily rusted inside (and probably give you rust poisoning when getting cut while tweaking with the innards.)
by bgulien June 23, 2008 10:57 PM PDT
R&D , Psystar doesn't do R&D to the extent of Apple.
by Penguinisto June 24, 2008 7:12 AM PDT
I actually have a home-built Mac and a real Mac... one difference is readily apparent: The real Mac has been pounding along for four years now, with no signs of slowing down. I can probably still get useful work out of it for the next four years if OSX continues to support PPC chips.
by sandor_f June 25, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
Price out comparable Apple Dell and HP machines. who wins in lowest price? Apple almost every single time, albeit they are all very competitive.

Apple's hardware prices aren't higher than the rest of the market (they havent been since the switched to Intel) but it is true they don't make a bargain basement PC =- only mid grade laptops (MacBook and high end desktops and laptops (iMac and MacBook Pro) and ultra high end workstations (MacPro)
by KeeganHill June 28, 2008 3:59 PM PDT
Groink-hi is obviously brain washed. Macs are given more attention in creation, but a Sony Vaio is given the same if not more love during production. It's just with well crafted machines (Macs, Sony, Thinkpads, Toughbooks) comes higher prices.
by SteveW928 June 23, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
This will work until Apple makes an OS change that isn't compatible with the particular hardware they chose to use (or purposely makes a change which breaks it). The key to Apple's integration is just that... the tight integration. If Apple ever does open up just selling OSX... it will only be a matter of time until a Mac is no longer what we know as a Mac. I've built a number of Windows and Unix based machines... and the frustrating thing is always when problems start... which part is the problem? This doesn't exist in the Mac world for the most part (especially since most add-ins are now USB or Firewire, not cards, etc.). I really don't want this problem to ever be in the Mac world... this is largely WHY I use a Mac for my important work. It works... my Windows and Unix boxen aren't so reliable. I'll GLADLY pay a bit more for the hardware to get this reliability. The ONLY people who want a Mac clone type box are those who don't understand this. They haven't learned to value their time or add the real cost of problems into their equation.
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by Galbrezu June 23, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
Honestly the only reason I will never own a Mac is not the operating system as so many people like to point out, it's the hardware. I'm really NOT interested in paying $500 more for a shiny white case, and that's the end of it nowadays. OS X is an excellent operating system Apple has just seemed to have decided to ignore part of the market segment, Psystar has met that demand and we act like it's news :\.

Looks like the free market at work to me.
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by Penguinisto June 28, 2008 9:22 AM PDT
spec-for-spec, Macs are extremely competitive, often beating out the competition. Go ahead and price it sometime... you'd have a very tough time getting a Dell or HP at the equivalent specs for a better price.
by digbychicken June 23, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
"to get around Apple's restrictions and get Mac OS X up and running."

what you mean using Intel's EFS instead of the ancient BIOS, sure does sound like Apple's restriction
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by sciontcya June 23, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
I find the funniest part of this article the fact that you had to call in a ticket for some IT guys to setup your Entourage profile!
How can you wrote about this when you can't even set that up?
Wowsers.
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by Tom Krazit June 23, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
I had actually wanted to see if they would support an Open Computer that wasn't a real Mac. I'm sure it's not that hard to do, but they pay me to write, not to configure mail profiles.
by mnemonic June 23, 2008 2:12 PM PDT
No offense but you probably don't work in a corporate environment. I've never even seen a large company that allowed its users (employees) to configure their own email settings - it's ALWAYS done by IT for security purposes and streamlined IT support.
by groink_hi June 23, 2008 5:02 PM PDT
That took what - five seconds between thought, typing and clicking the submit button? One thing about the IT industry - you NEVER mess with someone else's territory. Even if you're capable of configuring software yourself, if your company hired an IT tech to do it, MAKE HIM DO IT! Every person in a company is hired to perform a list of tasks. Performing other people's tasks is not a cool thing to do.
by Penguinisto June 28, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
I'm a Sysadmin. I know lots of IT folks who would get very angry very fast if they saw users performing their own configurations on company equipment... it's tough enough for them to support homogeneous rigs as it is.
by Seaspray0 June 23, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
Not necessarily a "wowsers", sciontcya. If the user does not have access to administrative permissions, they can't do software installations. Even if the user is fully capable of doing it properly, it's not allowed to protect the liabilities of a company. This is not uncommon in a corporate environment.
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by kaprino June 23, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
maybe in the past Macs have more advance hardware options, but now it only the cosmetics. Please list the advance technologies on the Mac hardware compare to the best Dell? POwerPC..nah it's Intel inside. It only make sense if Apple considers partnering with onlyh the largest PC & laptop makers... ah Dell, HP, IBM, Sony, Leveno, and Acer to name a few. Than they will give MSFT and Windows a run for the the money and take a big chunk of the PC and corporate market share. Here's my 2 cents.

Cheers,
Kaprino
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by b_baggins June 24, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
It's not just Intel Inside. The MacBook Air used an Intel chip specifically designed for that computer in cooperation with Intel.

Dell and IBM and HP don't use EFI, they still use 1970s BIOS technology.

One of the reasons Intel was so excited to get Apple on board is because Apple actually uses new technology because their business ISN'T commodity hardware. When you're a Dell, you count pennies. You use BIOS because it's a nickel cheaper and the only thing you are selling is that your machine costs less.

Apple sells to the midrange and top tier markets. That gives them room to put technologies in their machines that other computer makers don't. Like ambient light sensors and backlit keyboards. Like optical glass on their LCD displays.

So, no, they aren't the same inside.
by kaprino June 23, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
maybe in the past Macs have more advance hardware options, but now it only the cosmetics. Please list the advance technologies on the Mac hardware compare to the best Dell? POwerPC..nah it's Intel inside. It only make sense if Apple considers partnering with onlyh the largest PC & laptop makers... ah Dell, HP, IBM, Sony, Leveno, and Acer to name a few. Than they will give MSFT and Windows a run for the the money and take a big chunk of the PC and corporate market share. Here's my 2 cents.

Cheers,
Kaprino
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by sciontcya June 23, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
Tom Krazit isn't an admin on his Mac?
Please.
It's just a point that so many "tech writers" these days are about as up on tech as my Mom is.
So much drivel in the "new media" "news" world.
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by Michichael June 23, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
Even if he is an admin, not alot of IT departments broadcast what their exchange server is. I hardly expect every individual in our company have the foggiest idea of what our Exchange Server's IP or even domain name is.
by pjonesCET June 23, 2008 1:48 PM PDT
Apple May be deciding its not worth it to fight it. recent reports of OSX.6 is that it will no longer be known as Mac OSX it will simply be OSX. The fancy name will be "Snow Leopard". And supposedly al traces of PPC code will be ripped out. Out side feature will be unchanged, but components and systems under the "hood' will be different or new.
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by Perry_Clease June 23, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
Remember a few weeks ago when Apple bought that chip design company? I am thinking that one of the reasons would be to have a chip on Mac motherboard that is required to run the Mac OS, Snow Leopard or whatever. The Intel chip would still be there for most of the OSX work and for those who want to run Windows, but it would be more than just violating an EULA that would hinder if not stop a cloner. I am by no means an engineer, I am just speculating on possibilities.
by frank bruce June 23, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
What makes a Macintosh a Macintosh?
The Intellectual Property!
OSX is BSD with a different skin and some additions and that mark the difference; a big difference in terms of user's experience.
Tom, I will answer your question with a simple answer, try the official update, and see how your generic box returns to be a generic box.
-Frank
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by Mac OS XP June 23, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
flemingho: The reason the prices for Macs are higher is because they use so much superior hardware. For example, high quality materials like actual metal rather than silver paint; internal serge protectors; LED displays; nice innovations like the Apple Remote on a magnet, the magnetic MacBook power supply, or the latch-free MacBook close; multi-touchpads on some types of MacBooks; built-in monitors for iMacs; built-in webcams; built-in motion sensors to protect the hard-drive from movement; or longer-lasting Intel processors rather than the hot-running AMD ones. You want a computer that will last you two years, get a Psystar. Want one that will last a decade or one you could sell after a few years at near full price? Get one made by Apple.
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by Penguinisto June 23, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
Tom - do me a favor... I had built one @ home, and I was wanting to do some comparisons. First off, pull open a terminal and type "top" - what's the load average of the thing at idle? (Mine sits a bit higher than I expected, mostly because the CPU it's running is emulating SSE3 - just want to confirm if that's the case or not). Also, there is at least oen somewhat demanding OSX app that you can grab for free off of your own download.com servers - DAZ|Studio (latest version). Give that a go and see if you notice any sluggishness in the UI (which isn't Cocoa, but rather Qt).
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by Tom Krazit June 23, 2008 4:15 PM PDT
1. 0.06, 0.55, 0.47. That was measured at full idle, nothing open but the Terminal window, but i had my usual complement of apps running during the past 15 mins, and i also downloaded the DAZ software during that time. Shoot me an e-mail if you want to discuss further.

2. That's an, um, interesting application. It was definitely a big laggy/sluggish, but I'm running Intel Integrated Graphics on this, which is obviously pretty poor. If it's GPU-bound, that would explain a lot.
by Penguinisto June 24, 2008 7:24 AM PDT
Much thanks! It confirms that the prob I'm seeing is the SSE3 emulation (immediate load avg. is something like 0.40, which is a bit high. *sigh* I guess I'm going to have to spring for a Core Duo... :) ). DAZ|Studio is heavy in OpenGL (the viewport is OpenGL-bound, and one of the render options allows you to use just OpenGL to do it). That's probably why you're seeing the sluggishness (Current Intel integrated gfx chips suck mud when it comes to 3d acceleration). Disclosure: I was once a programmer on D|S back in its 1.0 days. Thx again for letting me know. :)
by donsmith June 23, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
Boy, you guys have such an agenda to make the Mac less relevant that you bypass the evidence for the bad deal the Psystar is. From MacWorld.com:

"I reluctantly pulled out the credit card, and the system shipped out to us a few days later. The system cost us $399.99, plus $50 for a FireWire card. Add in the $110 graphics card and the $155 OS installation, and the machine cost $714.99; shipping brought the price to $751.47."

What they got for their $751.47 is a machine that operated at a better speed than a Mac Mini, but at a speed that was less than an iMac. In addition, some functions don't work for OS X installed in the Psystar, such as updating. If your going to spend $751.47, get a Mac Mini or get a refurbished iMac and you too will learn what really makes a Mac.
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by chris_d June 23, 2008 4:51 PM PDT
Target Disk Mode. One of the best things about a Mac. It's in the firmware and in many cases I've found it to be an indispensable tool. It's one thing I'd really miss with the Open Computer.
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by inachu June 23, 2008 6:16 PM PDT
How can this be voiding the EULA?!?!?!?!?
OSX is Linux.......... If anything Apple needs to show the source and not charge anyone for it.
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by steampoweredlawn June 23, 2008 6:47 PM PDT
@inachu

it's not linux, it's a bastardized BSD. Linux is licensed under the GNU GPL, which requires any changes to the source code of the used code itself be published if it is to be distributed, but not necessarily anything else (like aqua, quartz, etc). A BSD style open-source license is much less restrictive. Apple is well within their right to use it and not release any of their source code at all. In fact, they have actually released much of Darwin (the kernel)'s source code.
by KenJackson_US June 23, 2008 7:41 PM PDT
It took me so long to get registered that steampoweredlawn beat me to the answer.

But OTOH, I agree with your sentiment, inachu. I don't think it should be legal for any company to dictate what kind of hardware you choose to install your legally purchased (or licensed) software on. All they should be able to do is deny you support, which they surely will do.
by Penguinisto June 24, 2008 7:14 AM PDT
It's based on a BSD variant named Darwin. the source code for it can be had at www.apple.com/opensource, along with all the other open-source code they use.
by trevorbsmith June 23, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
The commentary in this article, the related video and the comments regarding the legality of selling these machines WITH Mac OS X seems incredibly off-base. Forget about violation of the EULA (which, it has been properly noted, is a contract, not a law), this appears to be a violation of copyright law (which is legislation and is hardly a grey area in the current case).

Simple fact:

Either Mac OS X is entirely open source or else it is (at least partially) proprietary code.

If parts of it are proprietary, then those parts are presumably private property and that property is owned by Apple Inc. If Psystar is a separate corporate entity from Apple and it sells a computer with that software installed, it has made available Apple's private property for use to 3rd parties. If this happens without Apple's permission, it is a copyright violation. Full stop.

So how can anyone be imagining that there is any ambiguity in this situation? There are only a few scenarios I can imagine that would make this NOT a violation of copyright law:

1. Apple has, in its embrace of open source, fallen into a trap whereby every piece of OS X has become fused with some open source code, causing every part of OS X to fall under some GPL type of license, forcing Apple to relinquish its rights to prevent others from redistributing OS X. This seems extremely unlikely.

2. Apple has granted a license to Psystar to resell/distribute OS X.

3. Psystar is purchasing a full Mac, including one copy of Mac OS X for every machine it sells, thereby purchasing one license per machine from Apple. Although this probably breaks the EULA, at least they would be be giving away Apple's property without paying for it. Clearly this is not possible since presumably there's not much margin in selling cheap computers if you have to add in x-hundred dollars for each unit (the price of a Mac Mini--the cheapest way that I know of to buy a copy of OS X).

3.a. Psystar is buying up broken Macs from eBay for cheap, just to get a license to Mac OS X--one copy for each machine they sell. But how many super cheap "dead" Macs can there really be for sale on eBay? And how long before the sellers catch on and the price climbs, taking us back to the unlikely scenario 3?

Otherwise, if Apple owns the property rights to OS X and Psystar has not received permission to sell or distribute it, they're breaking the law, and not in a small way. The entire scenario is dumbfounding.
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by Penguinisto June 24, 2008 7:16 AM PDT
Err, the open-source bits that apple uses are published at www.apple.com/opensource/ - Apple probably doesn't want to bring a EULA case to court, lest EULA's be held as invalid (legally, they're shaky at best due to Fair Use and Doctrine of First Sale).
by paul_swansson June 23, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
So I live in Australia and maybe things are different here but normally we try to compare an apple to an apple (no pun intended). But still I went to Pystar's website and started to fill in the options section to see what I could get a mac computer for. As it turns out it would cost me $960US to get a mac clone without a monitor but with dedicated graphics, included bluetooth dongle and wifi (it also had double the hdd). For an iMac with similar specs I would have to pay $1499US. So for an extra $530 I get an all in one computer that will work for sure with updates from Apple, I get a fancy new keyboard and a mighty mouse which would have cost me an extra $100 AND i get a 20" monitor. That all sounds like a fair deal to me. So much for Apple being overpriced. Oh and I forgot. With a new mac I would also get iLife so there is another $79. So please can people start comparing the right stuff. Sure the Pystar is cheaper but are you really getting value for money?
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by trevorbsmith June 30, 2008 6:10 PM PDT
I think you're basically right. I think $530 is a BIT too much for a 20" monitor + keyboard + mouse + iLife but (and this is a big but) I think it's a very fair price for:

a 20" monitor + keyboard + mouse + iLife
PLUS
Mac OS X.

That last bit is crucial because that's what you're likely not paying for with Psystar--OS X. They just can't take money for it unless they're buying it from Apple and that seems unbelievable. (Of course it also seems unbelievable that Apple is not suing them so...)

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