October 12, 2007 2:32 PM PDT

ATA Airlines detains passenger for using iPhone in 'airplane mode'

Apparently putting your iPhone in airplane mode is not the digital equivalent of returning your seatback to the upright position.

Don't try to watch movies on an iPhone if you're flying on ATA.

(Credit: ATA Airlines)

A flight attendant for ATA Airlines recently asked a flier watching a movie midflight on the way to Hawaii to shut off his iPhone, not for the perfectly reasonable reason that the man was watching the inane Jennifer-Love Hewitt vehicle I Know What You Did Last Summer, but because you're not allowed to use cell phones inflight. Casey, the iPhone user, told Consumerist that he tried several times to explain to the flight attendant that the iPhone was in "airplane mode," with all the radios disabled. But the flight attendants did not accept that explanation, and continued to insist that FAA regulations prohibit talking on cell phones when the cabin door is closed, despite the fact that Casey wasn't actually talking and the fact they were over the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

As happens with these things, people got huffy, tempers flared, and Casey eventually found himself talking to a few bemused policemen in Hawaii. He reported that the flight attendant changed his story several times, first telling police that the airplane wasn't shielded for any type of electronic device (although apparently everybody else's MP3 players were fine), then telling police the plane wasn't shielded for "ONLY (emphasis his) phones in airplane mode." Casey was allowed to go, and apparently was not sentenced to watch Heartbreakers in its entirety to get a better sense of what might have provoked the flight attendant.

I'm sure there's more to this story. I'm playing a game of phone tag with ATA, and decided to post and update later if I hear back from them. It also brings up a few interesting points.

First of all, "airplane mode" doesn't appear to be a universally defined state of being by the FCC, FAA, the airlines or the mobile phone industry, and perhaps it should. Apple's Web page on the iPhone's airplane mode clearly states, "If you turn on airplane mode, the wireless features of iPhone are disabled, and if allowed by the aircraft operator and applicable laws and regulations (emphasis mine), you can continue to use the non-wireless features after takeoff.

Some airlines explicitly state that you can use a mobile phone in airplane mode over 10,000 feet. Others don't get into it, and just say you can't use mobile phones while in the air. So it might very well be ATA's policy to prohibit the use of mobile phones under any circumstances, just like it's their policy to shoehorn passengers into seats best suited for those under 5 feet tall.

I also wonder if smartphones will eventually force the FAA to make a decision about the use of mobile phones during flights. There may be legitimate reasons to disable wireless networking or calling on airplanes, whether those are technical concerns both in the air and on the ground, or whether it's merely a nod to flyers who don't want to hear one end of a five-hour conversation. But there's an awful lot of things you can do with mobile computers that don't involve wireless networking, from listening to music or watching movies to playing games or even composing documents with an expandable keyboard. As long as people are allowed to use their iPods, laptops, and portable DVD players above 10,000 feet, it seems silly to prohibit the use of a properly silenced smartphone just because it also happens to be a phone.

But we're talking about airlines and the government, so silly things happen all the time. Some consistency on mobile phone usage would be nice from the airline industry, but I'd prefer they figure out an whole new operating model that actually works before taking on matters such as these.

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Ron Paul will help deal with this crap
by MyRightEye October 12, 2007 3:03 PM PDT
Google Ron Paul.
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Silly, but the airline is right
by LasVegasLarry October 12, 2007 3:12 PM PDT
If you look in the sky, you'll see lawyers flying in lazy circles over this guy...ah the smell of deep pockets...

This is a very silly argument to get in with a flight attendant, but I believe the law about following an airline employee's (with the Captain's authority) orders takes precedence. Fact is, until some legislation is passed (Passenger Bill of Rights), you give up many rights when you walk onto a commercial flight.
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ATA is ignorant
by user1027 October 12, 2007 3:36 PM PDT
I'm a pilot and an electrical engineer; I say the ban on cell phones is unnecessarily conservative.

The only possible equipment that could be remotely effected is the glide slope portion of the ILS receiver, since that is in a frequency band close to what the oldest analog cell phones used, but even then, it would have a low chance of interference. Most new cell phones use a completely different band and lower power.

The ILS is only effective below about 4000 feet, so cell phones could be permitted above 10,000 feet. I still think they should be banned for the simple reason that people that blab on them can't keep their voices low and such people are worse then terrorists.

As for "airplane mode" - well in that case, the device is no longer even a cell phone since the transciever is disabled, so there should be NO prohibition against iPhones in "airplane mode".
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Here's what they/you/everyone missed
by indigonetworks October 12, 2007 3:40 PM PDT
Almost EVERY passenger using a notebook with a built-in wireless card on the plane failed to disable WiFi because fewer than half of all notebook owners know how to enable and disable their built-in card.

50 WiFi devices vs. 1 cell phone? Wrong battle FAA.
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I used my iphone on ATA Hilo-Oakland Sept. 21st
by proadventurer October 12, 2007 3:42 PM PDT
I even showed a flight attendant my phone not 3 weeks ago. Flying from Hilo to Oakland, no one cared.

I don't think this is an ATA issue, but rather a stupid employee issue.
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iPhone and iPod Touch
by planetboom October 12, 2007 4:00 PM PDT
Makes we wonder what happens when the ignorant attendant will
confuse an iPod touch for an iPhone. Should make for a fun
discussion.
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Wait until they can find a way to make a $....
by jodoyle October 12, 2007 4:24 PM PDT
The airlines don't want you using the wireless features of your cellphone/laptops because of "safety" issues. Of course, remember when Lufthansa and Boeing created the joint venture to sell internet access on their planes? I paid $19.95 for internet access when I traveled across the Atlantic. Must have been all of all the lead lining they placed in their planes...
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try using GPS on planes
by vinnie mirchandani October 12, 2007 6:52 PM PDT
wide range of experiences from my various flights - if I get a window I till tether my GPS chip to my laptop and watch progress, altitude etc on MS Streets and Trips. On ground the chip goes into a bluetooth tramsitter and talks to navigation sw on my PDA.

Southwest has no problems. I asked a pilot and he said they tried 20 different GPS gadgets and decided they caused no interference. Couple of them have kiddded with me and said can we use yours - it's more accurate than the one in the cockpit -)

Alaska and others will not allow it - airline magazine specifically bans them.

Delta magazine is silent and most flights on it no one has bothered me. But one flight attendant brought her fat, red, ops manual and showed me fine print. "Tethered" GPS units not allowed. If I had a standalone Garmin it would be ok. As I got off the flight, the pilot scolded me. When I told him Southwest allowed it, he said he would report SW to the FAA. I was afraid to tell him his own Delta pilot colleagues had on other flights allowed it.

FAA says it has no jurisdication on the matter - it's individual airline decision.

In the end the pilot is the ship of the captain, and I will respect his decision, especially if fellow passengers are nervous about a gadget, but wish the airline industry had clearer guidelines about phones, MP3, GPS...
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Any incidents?
by Lee in San Diego October 12, 2007 8:17 PM PDT
I am sure that there has been plenty of times that passengers have
surreptitiously operated a cell phone, PDA, or other small electronic
devices. So how many airplane crashes have been attributed the
use of personal electronic devices? How many airplanes got lost
because the iPod threw off the navigation.
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Europe
by californiaromeo October 13, 2007 12:09 AM PDT
In Europe, most of the airlines now incorporate "is you are using a
cellphone please switch it into airline mode or switch it off once
the doors have closed" into their safety talk.
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