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October 22, 2009 2:01 PM PDT

Psystar releases Mac clone software

by Jim Dalrymple
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Psystar, the clone company Apple is suing for selling generic hardware with the Mac OS pre-installed, is expanding its business to include selling software that will allow anyone to install Apple's operating system.

(Credit: Psystar)

Psystar said on Thursday that its Rebel EFI suite is available for download from its Web site. The software will allow anyone to install any modern operating system on their computer, including Apple's Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

According to the company, the software is compatible with the Intel Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, i7 or machines running the Xeon Nehalem CPU.

A demo version of the software is available for download so users can "test-drive" it before they buy. Psystar says the demo would allow users to install Mac OS X, but with "limited hardware functionality as compared with the full version."

Psystar said after downloading the software, users just need to burn it to a CD and follow the onscreen instructions. The full version of the Rebel EFI suite, removing any hardware limitations, costs $49.99.

Microsoft's Windows 7, released today, is also compatible with the Rebel EFI suite, according to Psystar.

Psystar is best known for selling clone computers and being sued by Apple for copyright infringement. A trial date has been set for January 11, 2010.

Jim Dalrymple has followed Apple and the Mac industry for the last 15 years, first as part of MacCentral and then in various positions at Macworld. A guitar player for 20 years, Jim also writes about the professional audio market, examining the best ways to write and record songs on a Macintosh with Logic Pro and Pro Tools. Jim is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by bobmarleypeople October 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT
This is very impressive. I don't have a spare compatible PC currently, so I look forward to hearing of others success (or otherwise).
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by Random_Walk October 22, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
Err, by selling it they're still likely to get slammed in court...
by solitare_pax October 22, 2009 5:42 PM PDT
I wonder how long it will be before someone pirates Psystar's softwarez?
by Dalmatian28 October 22, 2009 9:13 PM PDT
I love Psystar!!!!! Whao!!!! This new software is so cool! I have bought one of their first computers and it worked great! I think I still got one of their discs for recovery of my OSX. Down with Apple and their Fanboys!!!!
by Vegaman_Dan October 22, 2009 9:19 PM PDT
@Random_Walk:

It's not illegal to sell tools. What you do with those tools are completely up to you.

Apple computers can be used to hack into networks. Does that mean Apple can be sued for selling computers?

It's like selling lock picks.
by ikramerica--2008 October 23, 2009 12:28 AM PDT
Exactly. I think Psystar would be smart to stop selling hardware and simply sell tools like this. They need to add Atom support, and write drivers for the various wireless cards and trackpads in netbooks. Then it would really take off. Currently, the netbook hacking community relies on a scant few people to get things working, and these people seem to want to keep some of their knowledge to themselves and simply brag about getting it to work. Very frustrating. I'd pay $50 to stop dealing with those people.
by mathue_tax October 23, 2009 6:52 AM PDT
This really should be free software since it uses hacks made by the Hackintosh project. They're taking others free software and selling it.
by rdupuy11 October 23, 2009 7:16 AM PDT
Even though I think it 'should not' be illegal to sell tools, I don't know what world you are living in. The laws make a surprising number of things illegal. You know its illegal t video tape yourself in the bedroom without registering the video right? No, you didn't. Lots of things are iillegal, and then selectively enforced. If the government wants you, they'll get you.
by Renegade Knight October 23, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
@solitare_pax

No need. There is opensource software to do similar things. Once those guys get their hands on this and pick up a few tips the open source stuff should get a big boost. I've had my Hackintosh up to booting ot the apple. I need to do more legwork to figure out the ketch files (or whatever they are in OS X land) needed to get past that point.
by ThreeMilesNorth October 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT
Toshiba T100 with Snow Leopard...
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by ballmerisanape October 22, 2009 2:30 PM PDT
Interesting..... I'm tempted to bring my SL disk into work tomorrow.

I really hope this doesn't drive Apple into having to resort to a MS-like activation scheme. One of the nice things about having a Mac is that you don't have to worry about activation issues.
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by catch23 October 23, 2009 6:39 AM PDT
If Apple has its cash cow chopped (namely selling overpriced hardware), you will see far more then that.
Look for really nasty hardware DRM in the near future. It will make MS activation seem downright friendly.
Apple can't survive as a software company. They never have been able, and most likely never will.
by mathue_tax October 23, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
Yes catch23, certainly the computing world would be so much better without Apple around and fewer choices :D
by Understarsidream October 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
So the software is allowing the OS to bypass the Apple hardware verification system? That's a violation of the DMCA (among other things).

I wonder what MS would say if someone came up with a piece of software that allowed people to install Windows 7 while bypassing the activation system?
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by krushyou October 22, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
"I wonder what MS would say if someone came up with a piece of software that allowed people to install Windows 7 while bypassing the activation system?"

Not the same thing...What Psystar is doing is saying if you buy a copy of snow leopard you should be able to use it on what you want as there is NOTHING different on a Apple PC other then only allowing certain hardware to work with it.

What you are saying is if someone uses a torrented copy of Windows 7 without paying for it.
by Perry_Clease October 22, 2009 3:37 PM PDT
".What Psystar is doing is saying if you buy a copy of snow leopard you should be able to use it on what you wan'

How it is used is not up to Psystar, it is Apple who licenses the software.
by ittesi259 October 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT
Apple has every right to be closed on the hardware they support. No developer should be required (aka FORCED) to support everyone else's hardware.
by Random_Walk October 22, 2009 4:21 PM PDT
"How it is used is not up to Psystar, it is Apple who licenses the software."

...or the end user.

A middle-man commercial entity however has no legal say w/o a license from the manufacturer.
by DrtyDogg October 22, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
It actually doesn't bypass anything, it is simply a boot-loader, this type of software doesn't violate any laws, though what you do with it may.
by Stormspace October 22, 2009 7:26 PM PDT
First sale doctrine states you can do what you want with a legally purchased item, including resell it.
by Renegade Knight October 23, 2009 7:30 AM PDT
Not at all. The DMCA says you can't break copy protection. A Virtual machine doesn't break copy protection. It's like playing your Region 1 DVD on a Region 2 machine. Big deal. Also Apple allows thier OS to be run on Apple Branded machines. I've always wondered if thats why they give out Apple Logo Stickers. For branding purposes. I've saved mine. Lastly Apple has hacker roots. They dang well should support the hacintosh community by at least not discouraging them.
by October 23, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
"The DMCA says you can't break copy protection."

This tool breaks no copy protection as OSX has non. What it does allow is the machine to pretend to be a real Apple system and thus allowing Apples software to load, decrypt and run.
by Tanked_Podcast October 25, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
Ummm. You can do that already. Check the nearest torrent site and search for "vista/xp/win7 no activation". And yes, I'm sure Steve Ballmer would say, "Give it up for meeeeee!!!"
by jmitch18 October 22, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
And I just bought a macbook too.....lol
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by bonesbautista October 22, 2009 2:38 PM PDT
Gotta admit, Psystar's owners sure have cajones.

I've been wondering one thing now that I haven't read elsewhere - how will Psystar's owners feel when their software gets hacked and passed around on the internet's black market? If they whine about it, it'll just seem like hypocrisy to me.
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by mattharms October 22, 2009 3:01 PM PDT
What you're describing is piracy. What Psystar is doing is allowing a legal version of OS X to be installed on any machine. Big difference.
by tektaktyks October 22, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
yea thats what i say,looking for torrents
by BelkyB October 22, 2009 3:11 PM PDT
@mattharms

"A legal version of OS X" is one that is on Apple hardware.

What you have written is also piracy.

Read before you post BS.
by unknown unknown October 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT
@BelkyB No, it's violating the terms of the EULA. Piracy is infringing on the copyright holders near exclusive right to control reproduction and distribution.
by ManjyomeThunder October 22, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
@ BelkyB

No, piracy refers to theft of software or other intellectually protected media. What Psystar is doing in this instance is providing software that allows users to bypass certain restrictions of the Mac OS X operating system. They fully pay for each and every copy of OS X they sell with their computers, and they fully intend for users of their new software to do the same.

Whether or not the actual use of Mac OS X on non-Apple labelled hardware is legal, and if the EULA holds up in court we will see that it is not, it is also relatively unenforceable in this case as Psystar is not directly infringing upon it. They are reverse engineering EFI, an Intel technology, to run on top of regular old BIOS, tricking Mac OS X into thinking it's actually a Mac.

There is a large difference between piracy and what Psystar is doing.
by BelkyB October 22, 2009 7:50 PM PDT
@ManjyomeThunder

You sound like Psystar lawyer -- and that is not a compliment -- sorry!

Have you even been following the case?

I will keep it simple: Psystar is going to hell fast!

You CANNOT put OSX on anything other than a Mac and call it legal - this has been written in the fine print of every Mac OS document - AND One agrees to it when installing Mac OS X!

They made it. They funded it. They get to tell us how to use it. Simple. If you do not like. go get something else.
by subterfuge October 22, 2009 9:29 PM PDT
@BelkyB

"You CANNOT put OSX on anything other than a Mac and call it legal - this has been written in the fine print of every Mac OS document - AND One agrees to it when installing Mac OS X!"

So wouldn't that mean, the USER that installs the Mac OS (on non-Mac computer) is committing the illegal activity and not Psystar, since they are not installing the Mac OS (in regards to the Rebel EFI software only)? In this case, Psystar is just providing a means to an end.

I guess the courts will have to decide if the software is illegal too.
by Renegade Knight October 23, 2009 7:33 AM PDT
@ BelkyB

A legal version of OS X is one you have bought and paid for. Where you use it, and on what machine is your own choice and none of Apples Business. I don't expect them to support it, nor do I expect them to chase me down with a DMCA Take down notice on my own hackintosh.

Copyright isn't about limiting what I can do with your content for my own enjoyment. It's about protecting your right to sell it. Where the two dont' conflict there is no issue unless folks you like decide to meddle with my hobby.
by Renegade Knight October 23, 2009 7:38 AM PDT
@BelkyB

The EULA leaves an out for OS X on apple branded computers. That's legally unclear. Apple doesn't make their own computers thus others can and do "brand apple computers" I've wondered if I put that Apple sticker on my ThinkPad if it's now Apple BRanded? Regardless since I paid for OS X and I want it on that ThinkPad at some point that's where it's going.

A bootloader is a type of virtual machine. Virtual machines are legal, and supported by the industry and by Apple (Bootcamp isn't quite a VM but it does use boot elements to help windows boot)
by why do i need a name? October 23, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
BelkyB

I'm sorry you are incorrect. A legal copy of MacOS X is one that is installed on apple branded hardware. This statement is very clear in the Apple EULA for the software. To install the software, you have to agree.

As for whomever mentioned the doctrine of first sale, that's all well and good if the item was actually sold to you, but it has not been. Apple clearly licenses your use of their OS and the license is given under the terms of the EULA.

That said, I have to admit that I have installed MacOS (a legitimately purchased copy) on a non-apple product and use it regularly. Technically I am in violation of the EULA but I did not steal the software, Apple has been paid for it.
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by Gold_Storm_Mac October 22, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
psystar sucks and should be wiped off the world
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by LaTene_Man October 22, 2009 3:06 PM PDT
agreed
by paulej October 22, 2009 5:18 PM PDT
disagree... sounds like they might be creating a larger market for Apple. Wait until millions of Mac clones start appearing around the world in places that cannot afford a Mac. Suddenly, Apples will have a user base worth paying some attention to. For now, it is very hard for many software companies to justify the resources required to develop on the Mac.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 22, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
its not a true mac experience when the hardware is not from apple. apple hardware + apple software = harmony
by Vegaman_Dan October 22, 2009 9:22 PM PDT
@Gikd_Storm_Mac:

You're against open competition, freedom of choice, and allowing end users to actually follow the first sale doctrine?

I'd rather decide what I do with software I buy- not let Apple dictate my life for me.
by Seaspray0 October 23, 2009 9:24 AM PDT
"its not a true mac experience when the hardware is not from apple." So what? Find me someone other than you and the koolaid drinkers who cares.
by shycelticwitch October 23, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
@ Seaspray... you're venom is dripping from the corners of your mouth. You seem to be falling deeper into the pit of vipers that is surrounded by those millions of bleating sheep. Whatsamatter.... did you see the new Mac commercials about W7 and it made you mad that somebody's picking on your master?
by tektaktyks October 22, 2009 3:05 PM PDT
oh that is sweet,gimmie
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by tektaktyks October 22, 2009 3:06 PM PDT
but i guess i wouldnt feel bad about getting it for free...
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by LaTene_Man October 22, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
Funny, the Psystar links aren't working, ROFLMAO!
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by tektaktyks October 22, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
oopsie,i think the server is down,too much traffic,lol
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by protagonistic--2008 October 22, 2009 3:15 PM PDT
I have a Mac, but I want to try it on my PC, which does not have Windows on it anyway. :-) But I can't get through either.
by tektaktyks October 22, 2009 3:36 PM PDT
if that doesnt work try insanelymac forums,there are other ways
by October 22, 2009 3:14 PM PDT
I think I am going to start using Linux and forget both MS and Apple.
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by RompStar_420 October 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT
Continue to sue these people, hang them by their balls! YAaaaaay!
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by David Dudley October 22, 2009 3:59 PM PDT
That's an awesome move - attempting to reduce Apple to simply a software vendor.
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by ittesi259 October 22, 2009 4:13 PM PDT
This is a rather dumb move when you already have a lawsuit pending against you.....
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by benjwah October 22, 2009 6:18 PM PDT
I think their line of thinking goes like this: "What are they gonna do? Kill us twice?"

A coupla suckers pony up $50 each and each dollar allows them to more fully extend the middle finger to Apple as they fall into a burning lake of lava.
by Vegaman_Dan October 22, 2009 9:25 PM PDT
I wouldn't mind buying a copy of the software myself if only for curiousiity and archiving purposes.

Hell, I WANT one of the Psystar machines. I like the oddball systems like this as a historical footnote.
by shycelticwitch October 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT
Dan, you go right ahead and buy one. The 7 professionals I know who did sold them on e-bay for half what they paid, all within 5 months of purchasing them. They do make great paperweights.

As for the hack software, the fact that the site is down tells me there are a lot more lemmings out there than we originally thought. Given the performance of their machines, I am fairly certain there will be a BOATLOAD of issues with this "patching' software, and Apple will get the blame for it.

I would expect to see the "cease and desist" order within the next 24 hours.
by meh130 October 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT
I wonder if this would allow one to install MacOS in a VMware Fusion session?
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by DrtyDogg October 22, 2009 4:43 PM PDT
Driver support isn't there yet.
by GadgetDon October 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT
The software to do this for free is already on the Internet. And there are many of those who wrote the Hackintosh software who think Psystar stole their work.

So not only is this likely to anger Apple, but also a lot of people who might support the concept. And unlike Apple, some of those people might find it appropriate to express their anger with a bit of website hacking.
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by benjwah October 22, 2009 6:14 PM PDT
Yeh, they've got some swinging berries to be selling software that they ripped off to start with, especially in light of the fact that that original software is free.

Is there anyone who doesn't hate them at this point?
by Renegade Knight October 23, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
Free, but not easy (some computers are easier than others).. Maybe the open source guys can learn from this and improve their own offering.
by tektaktyks October 22, 2009 5:50 PM PDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHt0wqvSAXo&feature=player_embedded
ahahaha ,nice one
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by tektaktyks October 22, 2009 5:52 PM PDT
http://800beers.com/ check all the vids
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by casanegro October 22, 2009 6:07 PM PDT
Pystar is probably secretly funded by Micro$oft.
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by Perry_Clease October 22, 2009 7:41 PM PDT
I doubt that, more likely one of the PC manufacturers.
by Vegaman_Dan October 22, 2009 9:28 PM PDT
Doubtful for if the courts that are examining this start taking a closer look at the EULA that Apple is using to defend their actions, then it may come to pass that the EULA is invalidated- which is something Microsoft woudln't want to have happen as their own EULA is pretty dracnoic as well.
by veggiedude--2008 October 22, 2009 9:51 PM PDT
This is Micro$oft's worse nightmare. They do not want a competing OS against its Windows 7. If Apple allowed this to happen, it would be declaring war on MS. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Apple is secretly allowing this to happen!
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