Snow Leopard update fixes Adobe Flash issue

Apple on Thursday released a relatively minor update for Mac OS X Snow Leopard that fixes an issue users had with the operating system that downgraded them to an older version of Adobe Systems' Flash Player.

(Credit: Apple)

When Apple released Snow Leopard on August 28, it included an older version of Adobe's Flash plug-in that was known to have security issues. Sophos security expert Graham Cluley warned users of the downgrade and urged anyone who installed the operating system to upgrade immediately.

Snow Leopard 10.6.1 addresses this issue by updating the Flash Player plug-in to version 10.0.32.18, the most current, stable release from Adobe.

While that is the big news for Apple's first Snow Leopard update, the company did include some minor fixes as well. The new version includes improved compatibility with Sierra Wireless 3G modems and addresses an issue that caused some DVDs to stop playback.

Printer compatibility has been improved, and so has the automatic account setup in Apple's Mail application. An issue that affected Motion 4 becoming unresponsive has also been fixed.

Mac OS X 10.6.1 can be downloaded from Apple's support Web site or via the software update mechanism in Mac OS X.

[gregrochedc]

and what about the constant crashes of Photoshop? It's frustrating to spend 30 minutes working on a picture and then when I go to save, the program crashes and I lose my work..... Same in Photoshop Elements...... ugh.

[Perry_Clease]

Greg, what version of PhotoShop?

[Vegaman_Dan]

Adobe has already stated that Photoshop CS4 is currently and will be the only supported version for Snow Leopard. There are issues with previous versions that will cause problems with Snow Leopard. You can upgrade to fix this issue for around $400 by buying the CS4 upgrade.

[Perry_Clease]

Dan that is why I asked him what version he is using. I have CS4 installed and am not having problems with the programs under Snow Leopard. Could be a plug-in problem.

[exactlyy]

"There are issues with previous versions that will cause problems with Snow Leopard. You can upgrade to fix this issue for around $400 by buying the CS4 upgrade."

so what if someone got CS3 a month befor the release of Snowleopard ? he'll have to pay extra 400$ just to be able to use photoshop on the new Crapple system ?? thats BS .
[CNET editor's note: Prohibited spam deleted.]

[Perry_Clease]

"by exactlyy September 11, 2009 3:20 AM PDT
"There are issues with previous versions that will cause problems with Snow Leopard. You can upgrade to fix this issue for around $400 by buying the CS4 upgrade."
so what if someone got CS3 a month befor the release of Snowleopard ? he'll have to pay extra 400$ just to be able to use photoshop on the new Crapple system ?? thats BS . "

Then the person got what they deserve for buying an obsolete version of PhotoShop.

[ckh1272]

"by exactlyy September 11, 2009 3:20 AM PDT
"There are issues with previous versions that will cause problems with Snow Leopard. You can upgrade to fix this issue for around $400 by buying the CS4 upgrade."
so what if someone got CS3 a month befor the release of Snowleopard ? he'll have to pay extra 400$ just to be able to use photoshop on the new Crapple system ?? thats BS .
[CNET editor's note: Prohibited spam deleted.]


@ exactlyy--Wow, that website is so up to date on the Apple happenings. I especially love the articles about the G5s on the main page. Are freakin' serious?? BTW, providing or soliciting of a website is prohibited I do believe. Take your "crapple" cue cards back to Mr. Dee and try to come up with something more original next time.

[kelmon]

I'm running Photoshop CS3, which is supposed to be OK under Snow Leopard.

Frankly, I find it very depressing that people seem to be supporting Adobe that it is OK to only support CS4 under Snow Leopard. Do we really think that Adobe will only be supporting CS4 under Windows 7 when it is released next month? CS3 is not very old and therefore I see no reason why it should not be supported as well. This said, the alternative option is to stick with Leopard, which I wouldn't argue against simply because Snow Leopard is not all it was supposed to be.

[NewsReader_]

Apple obviously was in too much of a rush to get this out before Win7. They should take a page from Microsoft's book and not ship Adobe's crap in the box. Or maybe spend some more time after the bits are done to actually test it.

But then again, why bother when you have millions of testers (suckers) to download and test it for you in production environments. People who will forgive you for breaking stuff and wait patiently for you to provide a patch.

[NikEst]

They accidentily ship an older version of flash (something that doesn't come with Windows, at least not in my experience) and have to fix a couple relatively minor errors and suddnely it's a failure? At least they said, this is a problem, will release a fix even though OS X 10.6 was released less than 2 weeks ago.

It's called supporting your product. Microsoft does a decent job of it, but they do tend to take longer to fix stuff like this.

[Lennron]

Agreed with NewsReader. Apple saw Windows 7 coming and with nearly no bad press what-so-ever (other than biased people and groups that make up fake problems that never existed) so they had to rush to get their minor update out first and try their best to make it look like a new/worthy product. There was obviously going to be some problems. The good news: just a little more than a month to go before a REAL OS comes out. :)

[NikEst]

But they sold it as a fairly minor update, with a minor price. Also, it is a real operating system. In fact, as I am trying to get college freshman in a computer programming class to understand, from the average user's point of view, there are not very many differences between Windows and OS X.

Go ahead, both Windows and Apple lovers flip out on me. So you know, I am a software developer/college student who writes for both Windows and Mac.

[shellcodes_coder]

@Lennron: Yup agree with you

[SprSynJn]

"just a little more than a month to go before a REAL OS comes out. :)"

And just a few weeks after that till you guys are on here moaning and groaning about how you wish XP was still on your systems. :)

[shellcodes_coder]

@SprSynJn: We don't need to. Millions of users around the world have already tested it. RTM is damn stable. Talk about OS X...HEADACHE!

[NikEst]

Millions of users tested Vista and that didn't do any good. Plus, Windows is only "damn stable" as long as there are no viruses attacking it, which is frankly never. Apple did a small (and very cheap) upgrade to OS X with Snow Leopard because Leopard was just fine. Microsoft had to make big changes in Windows 7 because Windows Vista was "rushed to market" in 7 years.

And to say Apple released early to beat Windows 7 is a strange statement as they moved up the released by a week or two, it was always coming out before Windows 7. Just enjoy the huge price tag to fix Microsoft's last mistake. I'll take my $29 and buy a set or worthwhile improvements to an OS that was already very good.

[Lennron]

@shellcodes

Agreed. I don't see how I'll wish I had XP back on my system once I get the final version of Windows 7 since I haven't had XP on any of my systems either at home or at work for months! Not since a week or so after Windows 7 Beta came out. I have yet to have even the slightest hickup, let alone system crash or malware of any kind.
Not to mention the testing of Vista wasn't even a fraction of what the testing of 7 has been. And don't you think it's funny how people say this Snow Leopard update is very cheap considering how Windows have the same type of updates for absolutely free? Not to mention there are lots of people out there like me who pre-ordered Windows 7 for $49. $29 for a minor update that should have been free, or $49 for a whole OS? Hmm. Let me think about that one.

[firefoxluva95]

@ NikEst and SprSynJn:: Realize that Vista made several changes between builds that made it into an OS that people hate. But realize that people still love Windows 7 and it's already in the RTM stage. We would have already heard complaints if they were going to come.

[Mark_Anderson]

"Plus, Windows is only "damn stable" as long as there are no viruses attacking it, which is frankly never."

LOL! Comedy post award goes to you.

[WinNoMo]

Wow. Go edit your registry or something.

[NewsReader_]

Go get some new material.

That did make me think though and I realized that for the 3 years I have been running Vista x64 on my computer and the one my wife uses for her photography business, I have NEVER had to touch the registry.

[NikEst]

Because you can't? The average user can't, and doesn't need to, touch the registry. Then again, while the idea was good, the registry is the single biggest cause of non-virus errors in Windows.

[exactlyy]

go spend 400$ to upgrade your cs3 to cs4 so it work on leopard .

[kelmon]

Er, CS3 does work on Snow Leopard. I'm using it right now, in fact. Even Adobe confirms this (that it works under Snow Leopard - I doubt they know that I am using it right now).

[tektaktyks]

is that update 29.99 too?

[Mr. Dee]

Update for Update - what a joke.

[tkessler]

Yes! Until they get their full $129 that they initially wanted for the upgrade...nah, joking! :D

[BelkyB]

@tektaktyks + @Mr.Dee

I now pronounce you husband and wife!

you make a fantastic couple!

[BingItOn]

@is that update 29.99 too?

Get Windows 7, if needed you can get free SP; and not charged $30 for every SP CRAPple rename and sell.

[cbscowards]

@BingItOn:

Using the word CRAPple destroys any credibility you might have had. The fanboy meter is in the red.

The the rest of you who laugh about Apple charging for this update: Have you stopped to consider that the promotion MS is having for Windows 7 could be at least partly due to Apple's price point for Snow Leopard? MS has never sold an OS upgrade for less than $89 going back as far as Windows 95. Now, after Apple brings an upgrade out at a very attractive $29, MS is willing to give out W7 for half what they usually charge. Keep hoping that MS adopts Apple's awesome "family pack" pricing: upgrade 5 PCs for less than the price of two. (This applies to most of their packages, not just SL). MS policies are the reason why I still run Office 2000 and XP on my Windows boxes.

[SprSynJn]

Let me see, $29.99 for an update versus $199.99 for an update.

Mmm...which to choose...

[BingItOn]

@cbscowards

You missed the point.
SL is SP with new name for $30, period.It should be free like MS does for SP.

[BingItOn]

@cbscowards

SL is SP with $30, SP from MS is free.

@SprSynJn
I can get decent windows laptops with as little as $500 and netbook for less than $300, vs $1400+ for Mac book

Mmmm which one to choose...

[exactlyy]

"by SprSynJn September 10, 2009 9:07 PM PDT
Let me see, $29.99 for an update versus $199.99 for an update.

Mmm...which to choose... "

actually $199 is better ..at least i can run whatever verion of photoshop i want , even photoshop 5,6,cs2 ...etc

[NikEst]

I'm pretty sure the biggest "update" Microsoft put in a service pack was malware protection. Their lawyers probably warned against making a new operating system that was XP + malware protection because they'd get sued or something, otherwise you'd have paid for that "update". Snow Leopard is more than malware protection and just about everybody calling it a "Service Pack" (something Apple doesn't do oddly enough) seem pretty much jeolous of the fact that Apple users paid $29 this year while they get ready to pay $199 (or more if you want all of the features). I don't understand why you even care. You like windows, so buy it. Some people like Apple, so they buy that.

I do need to say that a $500 laptop pales in comparison to even the cheapest MacBook. You do get what you pay for. This would be true if you compared a $500 and $1000 Windows laptop.

[CreativeMalcolm]

I'm glad there were so few things to really fix in the first point release. I just wish they'd make Expose behave like it did in 10.5 before it broke and got ugly :(

[tkessler]

I agree that Expose and Spaces feel rather unfinished.

[NikEst]

What more does Spaces need to do? You can move between desktops, end of feature.

[Maclover1]

Please do tell what is wrong them. Expose works better for me, my minimized windows show up now at the bottom. Space works exactly the same for me.

??????????????????????

[shellcodes_coder]

@tkessler: No worries, Apple will finish it and provide an update for another $29. Not bad

[Lennron]

@Shellcodes

Then whatever's wrong with that update will be fixed with another $29 update. Repeat this process many times until OS X fans have spent several hundred dollars on one OS while making fun of Windows users for spending $100 one time and getting all their updates for free. Then When Mac OS XI comes out to compete with Windows 7, the circle of charging for upgrades will continue.
Soon to come:
"@ Lennron: Snow Leapord is more than just an SP!!!!, M$ sucks, and Bill Gates is a JERK!!! Long live Lord Jobs!"

[Mr. Dee]

Snow Leopard - The Worlds Most Advanced Bugaboo.

[Gold_Storm_Mac]

get a life. we dont need this your comments on something you dont know about.

[NikEst]

So windows is the worlds least advanced bugaboo?

It's an operating system, both OS X and Windows have their fair share of problems. At least they fixed it.

[shellcodes_coder]

Nice one

[ckh1272]

@Mr. Dee--That's quite a statement. Sounds a lot like a statement many have said about Vista when it came out and you know its true. You really serve no purpose here other than taking up valuable server space.

[Mr. Dee]

Windows Vista was never buggy at RTM, just that device drivers and application compatibility were not ready for the OS. There is a difference between flawed and compatibility. Vista is not flawed, OS 10.5 and 10.6 out the gate are flawed.

[ckh1272]

@Mr. Dee--It must be nice to live in a world of complete denial. I don't give two fists of ---- if it's the OS or drivers. If it negatively affects my daily use (be it on my PC or Mac), it is buggy in my book.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272

So you 100% agree that SL is buggy SP?

[ckh1272]

"by BingItOn September 11, 2009 11:42 AM PDT
@ckh1272

So you 100% agree that SL is buggy SP?"

@BingItOn--Once again, you don't get it. I never state that SL is a SP, because it is not. Try to get that through that metal plate in your head.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272
You are correct iit is is not a SP may be it is called refinement with new name SL, whatever you call $30 does not justify unless $29 for box design and $1 for packaging.

Oh I got metal plate, thanks for compliment, I see a empty head on the other side :)

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272 --Once again, you don't get it. I never state that SL is a SP.

Okay call it what ever you want. I will rephrase question for you to make it easier to understand?

So you 100% agree that SL is buggy xx ?

[llxarmonxll]

any other apple notebook owners having problems with the four finger gestures and snow leopard?

[kojacked]

No but my one figure gesture still works just fine!

Sorry I couldn't resist. :)

[Maclover1]

I dont use them much so I just tried.

The only ones I know of are down for expose, and to the right for command-tab, both worked fine and fast.

[BingItOn]

yeah I am using SL right now, one finger guesture works fine, I like Windows 7 better multitouch feature better and it is very responsive compared to SL.

[ckh1272]

And yet another original thought from the master of originality, BingItOn. The middle finger statement was made about two posts above you. So original indeed.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272
There is something wrong dude, seriously; see a doctor.

[ckh1272]

"by BingItOn September 12, 2009 1:52 PM PDT
@ckh1272
There is something wrong dude, seriously; see a doctor."

@BingItOn--And why is that. Because the poor little Binger got called out yet again? Such is life when you lack original thought my friend. Once again, just let it go before you have a stroke.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272 Now you have confirmed that you have lost your mind, so consider this as my last reply. What was wrong on the post I mentioned on September 11, 2009 11:58 AM PDT. Just because I said I like Win7 multitouch feature better, you lost your mind?

[ckh1272]

"by BingItOn September 12, 2009 8:09 PM PDT
@ckh1272 Now you have confirmed that you have lost your mind, so consider this as my last reply. What was wrong on the post I mentioned on September 11, 2009 11:58 AM PDT. Just because I said I like Win7 multitouch feature better, you lost your mind?"

@BingItOn--Which wise post on the 11th are you referring (like it matters). You want to ask all the questions to suit your means but refuse to give straight answers. I have clearly explained my situation. If you can't grasp that, then it's definitely your loss.

"my last reply"--Wow I can sleep better at night knowing that you will not reply. Hopefully it will be the gift that keeps on giving. You totally have no clue, no straight answers, and no grip on reality. Enjoy you tinfoil hat filled life, but be prepared to be continually asked by other posters why you continue to make no sense. Like the Thanksgiving turkey at a fat family's house, you are done with nothing left to contribute other than making noise in the bathroom. Case closed.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272
I am not sure why I am replying this, your response just forced me to. With each of your response with anger and frustration you are making it certain that you have lost your balance. I guess you don't deserve good night sleep :), my friend. Shoot straight question if you are CAPABLE OF and you will get stratight answers.

Ready 1...2...3... GO

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--I guess you will just continue to be clueless and cherry pick what suits you. I answered your questions (if you bothered to read all of the posts, you would know this), but yet (once again), you failed to answer any of mine. To placate that fragile little ego of yours (here it is once again). In short, SL does have some bugs (mostly 3rd party, going by the Apple discussion boards). ALL OS UPDATES HAVE THIS ISSUE!! The hard drive space "issue" is a non-issue if ti gets you space back (what part of that do you not understand). I don't know if I should even answer the touch feature since I have clearly stated that I don't have SL yet. As of now, my "multi-touch" works fine on both 10.5 and Vista. Most people on the boards seem to be having little or no problems with them. Also, once again you are saying that SL is a service pack, yet on another post you say that it is not. This Service Pack BS is just terminology for Microsoft crowd. For Apple, there are point releases (10.6.1) and updates. Then there is an Obvious OS upgrade, i.e. 10.5 to 10.6. Now if you don't get that, tough for you. It seems to be a matter of narrow minded opinion on your part. Now, having said all that, care to answer any of my questions. I am not going to "re-list" them. If you don't know, then you never bothered reading anything in the first place. If that's the case, best of luck surviving the age of ignorance. Good luck getting a new helmet to fit that head of yours. You will need it when reality comes crashing down around you. Class dismissed.

[SpiritWater]

This was a great update. It fixed my HP printer driver issues. Thanks HP and Apple! It is good to know you care about older printers.

I use XP and Windows 7 at work. Windows 7 is nice and way improved over XP but Leopard and now Snow Leopard still have it beat for ease of use and nice touches. I can open up any application and have my spelling auto checked. Time Machine is a life safer and fun to use. iLife and iWork are awesome and a steal for the price.

[shellcodes_coder]

Snow leopard will soon start melting after the 7sun rises. So winter won't help that endangered os :)

[tkessler]

wow...poetry...here...

[SprSynJn]

Yeah, gotta love the geek poetry.

[BingItOn]

So what? next release will be Snow Pony will com, Snow Leopard is endagered anyway.

[ckh1272]

Wow 'shelly. Never heard that one before. Oh, wait a minute.

[Seaspray0]

It seems someone took those instructions on the shampoo bottle too seriously. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[ckh1272]

"by Seaspray0 September 11, 2009 8:29 AM PDT
It seems someone took those instructions on the shampoo bottle too seriously. Wash, rinse, repeat."

@Seaspray0--Most definitely taking that phrase to new levels. Maybe he should in the TV business, always full of nothing to watch but repeats. LOL!

[AppleSuxLeo]

$30 upgrade fee..of which $29 went into the artwork on the box. Nice job Apple. It`s all about style !

[tkessler]

ok...

[BingItOn]

and $1 for packaging.

[ckh1272]

The posts of you Microsoft and Apple fanboys (on the Microsoft related articles) are mind numbing, boring, and utterly useless. You like what you like and they like what they like. Big deal! Now move along unless you have something constructive to say for once in your life. Regarding the article, it's good that Apple is trying to stay on top on the issues that came up with SL. Still, I wait a little while longer before I upgrade my MBP. I also look forward to Win 7 (when it's initial issues are resolved) and having the best of both worlds. In meantime, I guess the trolls will keep on trolling and the world keeps on spinning.

[Seaspray0]

ckh. I'm in total agreement with you. I wish people would grow up and post constructive comments. The article was about a flash update being provided by apple. That's good news! I was opposed to them including it on the disk in the first place because it was 3rd party software. As long as they are providing the update to the 3rd party software, I have no problems with it.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272

I just don't understand why are willing to defend $30 upgrade for a SP? You seems like "Yes Man" to me :)

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--And I don't see why you would give a rat's posterior whether someone uses a Mac or a PC. Use your precious almighty computer and continue to live in a world where anyone else might give a rat's posterior about how you feel. Answer me one little question. Seeing as how SL is a major code overall to expand the 64 BIT tier, what did Microsoft do when it released XP 64 Bit?? Even as of right now Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2C 64-bit for System Builders - OEM cost $139 at Newegg. Can't imagine what is cost individual users (it was$120 to 150 on a google search. I guess I can imagine). Also, XP 64 Bit only worked with iTanium systems when it came out. Apple SL is $29. Get where I am going with this or am I moving to fast for you. The moral of the story is do your research for once in your life before you continue to make no sense.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272

Don't talk about cost of maintaining Windows vs MAC, if you are inclined towards MAC on this then definitely you are not taking any sense.

Let me tell you "LOUD and Clear" $30 for SL SP does not justify. Changing method signature from 32 bit int to 64 bit int and changing the box with some other animal makes you happy so be it.

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--And that is why you will forever remain clueless to things you know nothing about.

[BingItOn]

ckh1272 -- And that is why you will forever remain clueless

clueless, my friend (I sound like John McCain now :) ). I am using SL and you are not using Win7 RTM (free download for MSDN subscriber), and still you are making suggestion against Win7 and fall into the SL trap. Now who is clueless my friend :)

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--Please tell me, oh wise one, where I even mention using Win7, much less criticize it. Unlike some people (cough cough), I don't judge a product before I have tried it. I have clearly stated, many times, that I will wait to upgrade to SL. The same goes for Win 7 after it's "official" release. What part of that do you not understand. All you are doing is flipping the subject instead of answer some simple questions. Since you FAILED to do that, my conclusion is that you have no answer, enough said.

[ckh1272]

The posts on this article pretty much proves that the Microsoft shills are (many times) the worst of the worst. Not Apple-heads are much better, but at least 95% of the posts on this article are all from the Microsoft crowd. The proof is in the pudding, as the saying goes.

[ckh1272]

Sorry, meant to say "Not THAT Apple-heads are much better,"

[ddesy]

Again with the Apple and Microsoft bashing both coming from people who just don't get it.

Both Snow Leopard and Windows 7 are perfectly valid upgrades. They both reduce bloat, improve speed, and run stable. I prefer OS X to Windows in most cases, but neither of these operating systems is actually all that bad. I would suggest spending some time with both before bashing either.

[ckh1272]

@ddesy-- Could not have said it better myself. Sometimes I don't see how some of these people have time to work on either system when they spend so much time on here. LOL!!

[Seaspray0]

+1.

[NikEst]

I agree, completely.

[MaggieRed]

This is so great reading from all these experts. So I'm curious how many millions of dollars did you all make for yourself or your companies last quarter? How about the last four quarters?

Oh I see, well sounds like you should take a lesson from the experts at Apple. If you all were such superstars then why are you posting your dribble here in CNET stories?

[Mark_Anderson]

Yes? And?

[weegg]

Too bad Win7 still has DRM embedded in the OS (from Vista).

Too bad Win7 foundation still resting on 8-bit technology (registry).

Too bad Win7 can only handle 792GB ram. Linux, Mac - 16 TB :-)

Too bad Win7 still has hardware spyware.

Seems limited to me.

[Seaspray0]

DRM is embedded in the data, not the software. The software is what decodes the DRM in the data - usually using a certificate. The only real DRM in windows is the certificates used to validate the software. If you want to think that's such a bad thing, then I really don't care.

The registry has nothing to do with the number of bits the computer uses. BTW, the first windows OS to use a registry was a 32 bit OS, DOS was a 16 bit OS, so even there you have no clue what you are talking about.

Too bad about that ram being limited to 792 GB. When you actually find a computer that has that much, you let me know and I'll give a s#!T. You might as well tell me "too bad twinkies are limited to a 792 million year shelf life while ho-ho's have a 16 billion year shelf life". I really don't care about something that has no effect on anyone.

This is the funniest one of all. Hardware spyware, huh? As in it can actually know what hardware you have, right? Well, DUH! How do you think it knows which drivers to install? Any OS can query the hardware for this information. When you design an OS to work on multiple platforms of hardware, it has to know this information.

Too bad you have no clue what you are talking about.

[NikEst]

As Seaspray pointed out, you are wrong about most of what you are talking about. Clearly, you are a fanboy, but you both missed something. The point of "Win7 has DRM embedded in the OS (from Vista)" is that Apple doesn't do this, but Apple does do this. I would argue Apple's DRM is far stronger than Microsoft's. I also echo the comment about the RAM. By the time a computer can use 792GB, Windows will support more.

[BingItOn]

Sorry to say it looks like @weegg thought is completely limited, or lost his/her brain. Are you okay buddy ? :)

[exactlyy]

@ weegg
"Too bad Win7 can only handle 792GB ram. Linux, Mac - 16 TB :-)"

could you please stop repeating Apple's lies ?? have you ever seen or heard about a motherboard that has enough slots for 16 TB of RAM ??
crAPPLE can say whatever they want since a hardware that supports 16 TB doesnt exist and they careless since they have fanboys like yourself who are welling to pay 30 $ upgrade fee after less than 2 weeks of the OS release .. i'd not wonder if apple releases an update every 2-4 weeks since they have fanboys who are welling to pay and i w'd never wonder if apple says that their monitors can pee and take the **** , and i know people like you w'll come by and say oh God the monitors by apple can pee !

[ckh1272]

@weegg--I see, once again, that the clueless reside on all sides.

[BingItOn]

@exactlyy

+100

[spoonie1972]

I hope windows 7 is absolutely amazing so all the "fanboys" can enjoy it, and possibly do something constructive with their time.

yay on the quick update. as far as adobe is concerned re: cs3/4 - if they don't have a free upgrade path to cs4 if you bought within the last 1-2 months, shame on them.

[kelmon]

I was pretty surprised to find that Apple shipped the Adobe Flash Player in Snow Leopard and this is "not a good thing" with the current implementation. If Apple is going to ship 3rd party software then it needs to ensure that it is updated and it needs to do this outside of its own OS updates schedule. Flash should have been updated via Software Update on Day 1 of Snow Leopard's release. I am OK with Apple taking a few days to test compatibility but they'll need to be quicker to update things than they have done so far.

[Seaspray0]

An oversight, I suspect. I don't think they were prepared to do updates for 3rd party software. They have corrected the issue. When flash releases a new revision, I suspect you will find it quickly implimented on apple's website from here on out.

[NikEst]

Personally, finding the issue and fixing it within 2 weeks of the OS coming out is pretty fast. It was most likely an oversight that took a few day to realize, then they had to test stuff. It probably takes them at least 2 weeks to fix security issues that are uncovered.

[ckh1272]

I was curious about the inclusion of Flash myself. It would be nice to hear from Apple about this, but maybe in time we'll know. I don't recall Apple including 3rd party software since Internet Explorer in "old days" of OS X. I also agree that if they are going to do this, that they should provide the update through "software update", like they are doing with printer driver updates. Time will tell. That's why I choose to wait on upgrading to SL.

[ckh1272]

I want to apologize for the back and forth banter between BingItOn and myself. Some people just refuse to accept the truth and try to spin things around because they got caught in one too many lies. However, that is no excuse for continuing to feed into someone's mindless tactics. My sincerest apologies to all who had to read through that mess. Hope the SL issues work out for the troubled users.

[Dalkorian]

Most of us gave up on that banter. You wasted a lot of time and effort to argue with a wall.

[ckh1272]

@Dalkorian--I agree. The intent was to expose his lie and he just refused to accept it. My bad for thinking I could get through that helmet.

[BingItOn]

@ckh1272 -- Refuse to accept truth

I am glad, so now are you agree to the fact that CRAPple is SL is a SP and $29.99 does not justify the cost?

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--Consider this the very last response to your nonsense. I don't agree on the SP statement anymore than I agree that Win 7 is a SP. Try to get that through that thick skull of yours and enjoy life for once instead of bashing others. Once again, I installed SL last and it runs flawlessly in my MBP. Good bye and good luck.

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--Yes, I went after you. Of, course I don't expect you to go through all of my posts but let me clue you in on the "MS basher" subject. I have responded to the likes of the_happy_switcher, Maggie_Red, Random_Walk, etc. Want to know why you don't see the seemingly endless banter that we had. They didn't take offense to being informed or corrected. I have been corrected a few times and have acknowledged it. I recently made a boo boo regarding Java installs for Windows and Mac. I was corrected politely and responded and accepted the boo boo politely. You just wanted to go on this endless merry go round of non-sense. Even after I acknowledged the SL shortcomings and such, you continue to pull the name calling tactics and issue flipping tactics. If you don't understand how to talk to someone by not referring to silly terms like "CRAPPle", because well other use the name calling game regarding (which I have NEVER done), then you are just contributing to the problem. So go ahead and be the problem while pointing that judgmental finger at everyone else. You will find that the repect game goes both ways. Even monkeyfun_14 has changed his tone on these posts. Perhaps you could learn a thing or two from him.

[BingItOn]

You called be bonehead, you called me liar, you called me 3rd grader. I just responded to your attack. Despite of knowing all the lies CRAPple continue to spread you are defending SL without even using it, and on the other hand I am using both Win7 and SL SP.

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--Some things never change I guess. Please show me where I called you a "bonehead". I look forward to your response since I am looking for a good laugh. Ever heard the phrase "beating a dead horse"??

[ckh1272]

@BingItOn--Oh, BTW, I installed SL last week on my 1st gen. MBP. No problems here.

[ckh1272]

Correction (typing to fast again)--"If you don't understand how to talk to someone by not referring to silly terms like "CRAPPle", because others use the name calling game regarding Microsoft(which I have NEVER done), then you are just contributing to the problem.