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August 10, 2009 7:41 AM PDT

Apple working on software fix for MacBook Pro hard drives

by Jim Dalrymple
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Owners of Apple MacBook Pro notebooks with 7200rpm 500GB hard drives have been complaining for months of clicking sounds followed by temporary stalling. According to Apple, a fix is in the works.

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"We are aware of the issue and are working on a software update," Apple representative Bill Evans, told CNET News on Monday. He gave no time frame for the release of the software update.

People have been reporting that they hear a beep from the computer shortly before the hard drive clicks and then the computer stops responding. The computer is unresponsive for 10 seconds or so and then begins to work normally again.

The hard drive issue does not require the user to force-reboot the computer, which would cause any unsaved work to be lost. Simply waiting out the unresponsive system apparently works every time.

There doesn't appear to be any specific task that triggers the hard drive to enter its unresponsive state. Users on Apple's support forums are reporting that it seems to be completely random and doesn't matter where they are or what they are doing when it happens.

It does appear that the issue only affects the 500GB hard drives that run at 7200rpm.

Jim Dalrymple has followed Apple and the Mac industry for the last 15 years, first as part of MacCentral and then in various positions at Macworld. A guitar player for 20 years, Jim also writes about the professional audio market, examining the best ways to write and record songs on a Macintosh with Logic Pro and Pro Tools. Jim is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by keeeemal August 10, 2009 8:03 AM PDT
Macs, they just work.
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by shellcodes_coder August 10, 2009 8:10 AM PDT
Yup you are right :)
by LaTene_Man August 10, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
Every computer, and I do mean every computer, has its flaws. How many Dells are there out there that their screens die, permanently? Huh? [CNET editors' note: Personal attacks deleted.]
by Seaspray0 August 10, 2009 9:59 AM PDT
@keeeemal. It just worked after about 10 seconds. That's not too bad of a problem other than an annoying 10 second wait. Now it had been bombs... that's considerably more serious. So overall, a problem exists, it is specific to a particular piece of hardware that not everyone has, it's an annoyance and not a serious problem, and apple is working on a fix. Even a windows guy like myself can see this as something minor. It's not like something like this hasn't happened to other computers.
by 2macs August 10, 2009 1:30 PM PDT
My wife bought a macbook pro and a week later I purchased an imac. I have had not problems from day one. The macbook pro has been a problem from day one. When closed it will not awake without doing the 5 finger start. About every other time she uses the pro the mouse will not work. She has to go into utilities disconnect the mouse, wait a few seconds and reconnect. The store where it was purchased placed her HD into a new computer, but once we got home it has the same.
by sharmajunior August 11, 2009 5:45 AM PDT
thats why my MBP only a month and half old has gone through 2 power adapters and replaced a logic board.
by Mr. Dee August 10, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
After 8 service releases for Mac OS X Leopard and they still can't get the Paris Hilton Laptops right? I guess the 'fix' is coming in the $29 Service Release named Snow Leopard. Mac users, face it, you are getting duped and don't even see it.
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by shellcodes_coder August 10, 2009 8:10 AM PDT
you are right too :)
by myles taylor August 10, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
Mr Dee, why do you insist on being an so idiotic about things like this. This isn't an OS problem; it's a hardware (probably a driver) problem. It's something simple that can be fixed. Everything has problems and the day that someone comes out with a "perfect" machine is the day that I sprout wings and fly.

How am I getting duped? Give me a reason. I'll go head to head with you on this anytime.
by kojacked August 10, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
If Microsoft can get dinged for drivers issues can should Apple.
by Vegaman_Dan August 10, 2009 5:40 PM PDT
@Myles Taylor:

I think the issue or concern here is that Apple has a reputation for rigid hardware control on what goes into a system of their design. This particular issue has been known for months with no acknowledgement by Apple of the issue. Now they do note the issue exists, and ownrs are wanting to know why this was allowed to happen in the first place.

Yes, it happens to any hardware OEM. Most OEM's are a bit more forthcoming to address such issues when it comes to hardware like this.
by sevort August 11, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
This issue affects only third party drives (Seagate). This drive is not a standard configuration for MBP, so formally it's not Apple's problem, but I am glad they finally decided to fix it.
by wfbnadador August 11, 2009 2:13 PM PDT
@sevort:

not at all true, mine was a standard config (shipped directly from apple)
by shellcodes_coder August 10, 2009 8:10 AM PDT
LOL, another reason to switch to PC which is much better than this vendor locked crap!!
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by goodspeed8701 August 10, 2009 8:14 AM PDT
I thought in their i'm a mac ad their crapple crap pro don't freeze. I've got an hp from december 2005 that was vista capable and it came with xp. I installed vista with no driver probe except for my card reader and I fixed that from www.hp.com. Quickly upgraded my ram for no cost at all. Thanks to my friend who game me is spare 1gb.

Windows 7 wow the best thing that happened to me and my hp. no driver issue at all. now I am on 3gb ram and even on 2gb and I tested with 1gb the os just flies. I'd never called hp. But the story for my elder sister is different. On her mac book as she has to buy apple care to support her problems. Maybe mac may last longer as ******** claim but I am seeing here makes me doubt. I can't game on my hp its underpowered. DV6125ea graphics card is poor from intel. but I love it. Finally crapple has shown another worm in the apple.
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by ayeng98 August 10, 2009 8:33 AM PDT
hellooo goodspend8701, the reason why i chose a mac becasue of that problem issue i encountered with my HP 5200 pavillion i bought last january 2008, ...after 3 months the machine just cranked, i blamed it on vista software..update update update after several update from MS autoupdate the machine just love freezing all by itself and then i get the BSOD i brought the machine to our nearest HP dealer, they fixed i caanot understand theiir languge as i am no computer geeks all i wanted was for the machine to fix....well what have you after a 2 weeks that lovely ****ing HP bastard again went on his favorite thing the BSOD i almost threw the machine on the wall but someting prevented me as I came to realize its expensive...what I do? I have it repaired and then sold it at bargain giveaway price...

I cannot take it any longer..from then on I swear to high heavens not to buy an any HP laptop anymore...my ^ year old ASUS still running well with XP SP1 to this day...but HP? I cursed to high heavens for that barand and vista as well..

Now my Macbook unibody which I bought January of this year is running smoothly and I have not encounterd a single issue...I lave mac really love it...all my headaches i encounterd with Vista and HP is gone...

Moral of the story?

DONT EVER BY AN HP LAPTOP WITH VISTA AS OS if you dont like to experience what I have gone through with my experience...
by goodspeed8701 August 10, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
@ayeng98. Maybe you are saying the truth maybe you are lying either way its your experience. But i know from experience that the macs are still pc. they do have same problems too.
by Mavyryk August 10, 2009 11:30 PM PDT
goodspeed8701 and shellcodes_coder:

Regarding vendor locked "crap".....there is something to be said for a much higher degree of consistency and compatibility when you have a platform ecosystem that follows that "locked" model. When you look at the Windows side of things it is basically "wild west" in that regard. Just think of the number of PC/Windows devices that need to have drivers written and tested for. Not that Apple is lightning fast with their releases, they are faster than Microsoft though. How late was Vista? Isn't Windows 7 really what Vista was supposed to be?

Anyway all that is blah, blah, blah, my 2 bits (for free) is that if you want to tinker with your system, consider yourself a "technical geek" and want to swap hardware (video cards, HDs, etc) when the latest and greatest comes out so you get max frame rate in the latest versions of Call of Duty or Far Cry then you should have a Windows/PC configuration.

If you want to work and play on a platform that is designed from a end-user standpoint then you should be on a Apple. Microsoft is always going to be playing catch-up from a usability standpoint.

Oh, did I mention I worked @ MSFT over 17 years....Windows/DirectX.... Mouse/Keyboard/SideWinder..... Xbox..... Microsoft Games.....groups. I have a "little" more perspective than others on this thread.

What am I typing the post on? My brand new 17" Macbook Pro. What do I have for a cell, a new iPhone 3G S. Bought the 16 gb model, but fell in love again (I started using Macs 22 years ago on a 512) and upgraded to the 32b model and started shopping for this notebook.

Neither MSFT or Apple are perfect, but from where I stand and have experienced over the last 22 years, Apple is much more perfect than MSFT.
by zephrynn August 10, 2009 8:16 AM PDT
Oh come now, there's no need for Mac bashing. It helps no more than bashing Windows, which I'm sure we can all agree has had its share of hurdles to overcome.
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by BK216 August 10, 2009 8:24 AM PDT
Some Windows users sit and wait for articles like this so they can return the favor to all the Mac Trolls out there
by LaTene_Man August 10, 2009 8:29 AM PDT
Look them up BK216. 99.9% of the time it's a Windows cronie on the payroll of Mr. Ballmer that starts this crap. And that's a fact Jack!
by Rolker August 10, 2009 8:56 AM PDT
Come on.
Mac users troll all the time. Every time there is an article about Microsoft, Dell, etc/ people start to bash these company and praise Apple. Just look at some of the comments here... And the article is about Apple.
I don't understand why people need to bash other OSes, OEMs, etc. Use whatever you like...
by Seaspray0 August 10, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
Rollker and BK216, you're right. There are trolls on both sides of the fence.
by bananaphonerules August 10, 2009 2:27 PM PDT
You're all right. Trolls are everywhere. They're like Ninjas.

I have to say though: Apple opened the door for Trolls by attacking MS in their ads.
by Tuncer_Deniz_995 August 10, 2009 8:21 AM PDT
Mr. Dee, as opposed the the ENDLESS stream of Windows Updates that appear once a day? :)
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by LaTene_Man August 10, 2009 8:27 AM PDT
Thank you Tuncer, they conveniently forget about that. And the upshot of the "story" was that it is a minor inconvenience that a solution is being developed. NO LOSS OF DATA and NO FORCED RESTART. I wonder how many times XP or Vista can claim for a similar situation (and they do occur on generic computers). THey just aren't reported on because they are so common in the "PC world".
by Mr. Dee August 10, 2009 9:48 AM PDT
At least my computer is updated automatically and I am not risk of a patch turning my PC into a door stop. The amount of pin wheels I have been hearing from Mac users who have updated to 10.5.8 is mind boggling.
by LaTene_Man August 10, 2009 10:18 AM PDT
Shows you have never, ever used a Macintosh. Software Update updates my machine automatically. And no "pinwheels" for me. Go troll elsewhere.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT
"by Mr. Dee August 10, 2009 9:48 AM PDT
At least my computer is updated automatically and I am not risk of a patch turning my PC into a door stop. The amount of pin wheels I have been hearing from Mac users who have updated to 10.5.8 is mind boggling."

I will give you one thing Mr. Dee. You are consistent. Problem is, in this case, the only thing you hearing is Microsoft whispering in your ear. No spinning pin wheels here. Oh, and it's called the spinning beach ball of death LOL!! Nice try though Mr. Shill.
by Mergatroid Mania August 10, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
@Tuncer_Deniz_995

You mean the FREE windows updates?
by monkeyfun14 August 10, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
Endless stream of windows updates that appear once a day? Really? I just had one this morning the first one in about a month.
by Mark_Anderson August 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
@La_Tene

Really? On mine I have to confirm, enter my password and then wait for it to restart.
by Bladak August 10, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
I switched my wife back because of this. It seems like the attractiveness of the MAC was because it was not popular. Now that it has gained some traction, the virus situation has gotten worse, they have way more bugs in their software and hardware, and customer support is horrible. Don't get me wrong. I love the design and there are things that are great (power for one on the MacBook Pro is great). However, my wife has found out she can do the same kind of design work now on the PC (maybe she just isn't a pro) and it is 1/2 the price with about 10x the resources in my town to help out. Sorry Apple, I will probably try again in 3-5 years but I just think you have a lot to learn about being successful.
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by LaTene_Man August 10, 2009 8:43 AM PDT
MAC = Media Access Control (indicative of someone who has ZERO experience with Macintoshes)
by Bladak August 10, 2009 8:46 AM PDT
LaTene_Man you seem to take offense to every post on here. I agree some seem to be just to get a rise, but mine is honest and I am hoping someone that matters reads it. Like I said, there are things I do love about the MAC (and sorry my MAC 2C was spelled just like that on the box, but obviously I am not hip or elitest enough to know the new lingo) and will try it out again later, but for now it is a no go because of these things. If you really cared about Apple you wouldn't be such an idiot in your posts and instead try to sway people past these issues. All platforms die without support and you are causing less of it for Apple.
by LaTene_Man August 10, 2009 8:52 AM PDT
Not offense, but I have no tolerance for stupidity. It's not new lingo. It's being correct. MAC is a computer networking term. Mac is short for Macintosh.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
@Bladak-- i am not doubting that there was problems with you wife's Mac, but do a little reading and you will find that she is in the minority, especially in regards to customer support.

@LaTene_Man--Being a "Mac lingo" nazi is just as bad as the grammar nazis and trolling. Stay on point people.
by tektaktyks August 10, 2009 11:31 AM PDT
u r totally right,win based computers can do the same thing for less,those fanboys are so blind and silly
by Mergatroid Mania August 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
@Bladak

Welcome back to the Windows world. Feel free to ask any questions you like and you won't be ridiculed at all. Although it sounds like your wife is quite proficient at Windows already. There is no need to learn a new operating system since your PC will do everything a Mac can do, there's no point. It's too bad you've already spent the money on the Mac hardware though. Maybe you can sell it. Use the funds to buy a better video card, more memory and maybe a larger hard drive.
One last thing, I promise no one in the world of Windows will be a jerk to you if you spell Windows using all caps.
Some people like their Macs, and that's fine, however there is no point changing to a new system if your current system does all you need and you already know how to use it well.
by Vegaman_Dan August 10, 2009 5:53 PM PDT
@LaTene_Man:

"Mac is short for Macintosh. "

Just to give you an example and to be correct, it is short for 'Apple Macintosh. ' No offense, but I have no tolerance for stupidity or ignorance. It's not new lingo. There are many different types of Macintosh products out there. Apple Incorporated did not invent the Macintosh. That is a type of apple. Be sure when you are admonishing others for making such mistakes that you are not in fact guilty of even greater ones yourself.

Heck, even I don't know the full extent of it, and I sure woudln't go about correcting people for using MAC and Mac interchangably. Seems petty for you to be doing so. I only do so here to demonstrate exactly how silly it appears when you do it.
by topgunb2 August 11, 2009 5:13 AM PDT
@Vegaman_Dan "No offense, but I have no tolerance for stupidity or ignorance"
You use mac, how do you tolerate that, and how do you tolerate yourself?
by fretter779 August 10, 2009 8:52 AM PDT
Nice to see the usual wave of comments on every article like this...
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by thinkbaz August 10, 2009 9:07 AM PDT
Ain't no trolls like Apple trolls and that crap they keep trying to push on people. Their rationale? We dropped thousands on crap, and we want you to do so too. Misery loves company. Watcha gonna do when Jobs bits it? Oh yea, bankruptcy and a new PC. LOL
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by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 10:22 AM PDT
Ain't no idiot like a idiot like you. Maybe you should take a cue from your username and "think" before you make a fool of yourself.
by tektaktyks August 10, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
ckh u the fool
by Mergatroid Mania August 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
Actually there are trolls like Apple trolls, they're called Windows trolls. Same do do, different pile. (notice I said "they're " and not "there" or "their")....lol...
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 5:57 PM PDT
"by tektaktyks August 10, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
ckh u the fool"

And you are the typical name calling troll that has nothing of real value to say.
by heygeo August 10, 2009 9:12 AM PDT
too bad they dont mention that this little minor issue screws up backups sometimes... and in my case led to file corruption... but hey its a Mac all is forgiven because when its pretty :D
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by sdfisher August 10, 2009 9:17 AM PDT
Apple's wrong in saying it only affects 500GB, 7200RPM drives. This particular issue does, but the other drive available with the Unibody MacBook (pre-Pro) has its own issues. It started softly beeping the day I bought it.

I wasn't exactly worried about it because my plan was always to replace that drive, I just hoped to do it six months or a year later.

Thanks to hearing about all the problems with the 500GB drive, I was able to steer clear of the ST9500420ASG and bought a ST9500420AS. It's like the ST9500420ASG, but without the "G-Force" shock protection. I've been happy ever since. (I have the old drive, it's a Fujitsu, but I have no idea where the model is on it.)

So it's quite likely that Apple will simply have to turn G-Force off to make the drive act like a ST9500420AS. But I find it really odd that they got drives *with* G-Force to begin with.
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by thinkbaz August 10, 2009 9:17 AM PDT
Hey Apple trolls, it's not just Microsoft apologists, check out:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/169913/Evil_Steve_Drives_Apples_Problems.html
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by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 10:25 AM PDT
Sorry but there is a big difference between PC World reporting and trolls like you trolling. Once again, "think" about it.
by tektaktyks August 10, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
sorry but that comment ofckh1272 is just stupid
by Vegaman_Dan August 10, 2009 5:57 PM PDT
@ckh1272:

I find it amusing that you are entirely too ready to dismiss any article or story that might cast doubts upon Apple's good name, however trot out any half baked rumor blog as factual and higly respected journalism.

Just accept it and move on. None of it really matters. They are just blog posting for the most part. You don't have to take personal offense that someone doesn't believe in your particular religion.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 6:01 PM PDT
"by tektaktyks August 10, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
sorry but that comment ofckh1272 is just stupid"

Refer to my earlier posting. That article is just another opinion based article. I give that about as much credibility as what trolls like you (and all the others on both sides) write.
by ckh1272 August 11, 2009 5:52 AM PDT
"by Vegaman_Dan August 10, 2009 5:57 PM PDT
@ckh1272:

I find it amusing that you are entirely too ready to dismiss any article or story that might cast doubts upon Apple's good name, however trot out any half baked rumor blog as factual and higly respected journalism.

Just accept it and move on. None of it really matters. They are just blog posting for the most part. You don't have to take personal offense that someone doesn't believe in your particular religion."

@Vegaman_Dan--So tell me, oh wise one, where did get you insight, regarding me, from?? You really have no clue what you are talking about. I have not once tried to dispel the above article. NOT ONCE!! Read for once instead of just scanning the bit parts of a post to make your point. I have clearly stated what is wrong with both sides. How does that reflect on my "beliefs". NO product, for me, is like a religion. That is about the most ignorant thing I have heard in a long time. Sounds like you are the one who doesn't like when someone has an opinion that is not yours. Want to try to spew out some more BS?? Just become a full time blogger!
by stewy79 August 10, 2009 9:25 AM PDT
Alright... everyone just take a couple of deep breaths and calm down.
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by Seaspray0 August 10, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
Surgeon General reports second hand air is bad for your health. Cities rush to pass new ordinances banning breathing in restaurants and public places. The government places a $1 tax on all air being sold. One guy says, "I used to use it to fill up my tires. Now I can't afford it in this economy. I may have to give up breathing to make ends meet."
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 6:02 PM PDT
@Seaspray--I don't agree with everything you say, but that was pretty funny. The prophecy has been spoken. LOL!
by Inconnux August 10, 2009 9:25 AM PDT
Not really a big deal. All OS's have bugs and need updates. The good thing about OSX is that it is built on something rock stable... BSD Unix.

my Linux machine, XP machine and Vista machine have constant updates for security/performance/stability reasons... just because Apple does, does not make it news...
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by kracken41 August 10, 2009 9:28 AM PDT
Computers are like drills. I can use a DeWalt or a Makita, and if I am a good carpenter I will get professional results every time. Busy carpenters don't have time to get into pissing matches about their drills. They are too busy doing their jobs.
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by The_happy_switcher August 10, 2009 9:50 AM PDT
"Computers are like drills."--Um...no. Stick to carpentry, dude.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 10:26 AM PDT
"by The_happy_switcher August 10, 2009 9:50 AM PDT
"Computers are like drills."--Um...no. Stick to carpentry, dude."

Actually, I think he has a good point. Get back to work and quit your b------g.
by The_happy_switcher August 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT
"quit your b------g" What do you have against bowling? or is it barfing? beefing? bragging? not sure what you meant, please clarify.
by monkeyfun14 August 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT
@ckh
@Happy_switcher

Its funny to see trolls get so rabid that they attack their own.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
@The_happy_switcher--LOL!! Part of the word refers to a female dog. Thanks for proving my point about trolls on all sides BTW.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
"by monkeyfun14 August 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT
@ckh
@Happy_switcher

Its funny to see trolls get so rabid that they attack their own."

@monkeyfun14--Nice to see, once again, that you have no clue what you are talking about. Try doing your homework next time before you say something so ignorant. I know it will hard, but maybe you could try just this once.
by The_happy_switcher August 10, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
Judging by your comments ckh you strike me as suffering from bi-troller disorder.
by Vegaman_Dan August 10, 2009 6:01 PM PDT
This is perhaps one of the better comments of this entire comment thread. True, people who are too busy using their computers rarely have time to post and complain abut them. This is true of many things in life.

Tech is one of the rare exceptions because there are those who live to complain and will stop and take the time out of being productive simply to complain. We have many fine examples of this here.

Oh well.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
The_happy_switcher--Nothing "bi-troller" about it. I just don't see the point in baiting people into the constant non-sense that has evolved on these posts. Quit with unbiased loyalty crap.
by Seaspray0 August 13, 2009 9:15 AM PDT
Hey, it's a troll party! Pass around those flames.
by blueshore August 10, 2009 9:44 AM PDT
Last January my MacBook hard drive just croack and die. I lost a lot of stuff. I tried with a couple of data recovery companies, but not luck. It turn out that there was an issue with some Seagate drives have some issues (http://www.retrodata.co.uk/notice_apple_seagate_drives.php). The blame was on me for not doing a backup and trust way too much on a hard drive MTBF. I had my share of teardrops along my wife for the lost photos (she even tried to cheer me up by giving me a new drive). In the end, I learn to have an extra hard drive and makes backups from time to time (quite simple thanks to Time Machine, and good old copy). The moral of this is simple: always backup, because you never know when a piece of metal at 5400 rpm or more (or even a SSD) will fail.
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by The_happy_switcher August 10, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
43 comments is now 38 comments. You guys are really keeping the cnet censor busy today. lol
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by Oli4mac August 10, 2009 10:09 AM PDT
That's a sigh of relief knowing that apple are on the ball fixing the problem
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by mexnexus August 10, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
Find it odd I havent recieved a single complaint of this issue ever.

500Gb 2.5 drives are known for getting really hot and thermal recalibration, maybe that is why this happens. In my humble opinion no laptop should have 500 gb of storage, its way to much precious info on a very easy to loose piece of equipment (does not matter the brand). But hey I am the same guy that said 10 years ago that a Gigabyte was a lot of space.

BTW the equipment doesnt fail, just hands for 10 seconds with no loss of info, 10 seconds is very little time compared to the ammount of time lost closing the miriad of pop ups that windows has.

Mr. Dee and Monkey nice to see you keeping up the work to Mr. Balmer.
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by therealgeeves August 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
I agree that 500GB is a lot of data to shift at the slow speeds current drives offer - on all OS's. I get a greater number of drives to ensure no one single point of failure - just like the internet :)
by EvanSei August 10, 2009 10:39 AM PDT
what happened to macs being perfect? really though good job to apple for making a fix for this if it was a pc you would need to fix it yourself, trust me I know.
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by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 11:06 AM PDT
And just how do you know? Do you know exactly what the problem is? BTW PC or Mac, most users are not going to try to fix it themselves, especially if it is under warranty. Think about it for more than second.
by EvanSei August 10, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
ckh1272
PC, and I try to fix it myself because (you may find this odd) I enjoy finding the problems and fixing them myself, and both my computers are still under warranty, just to let you all know if it's anything to big, (only one big thing so far) I call support. Oh and I don't dare mess around with my apple products anything goes wrong with them and I am immediately calling customer support. only a few things have gone wrong with them in the past 3 years.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 11:23 AM PDT
@EvanSei--That is your choice to risk your warranty if you so please but the problem is you assume that everyone else should do the same. BTW, I repair my own systems whenever possible. I also don't refer to customer support unless I absolutely need to, whether it is my Windows system or my Mac system. Assuming things doesn't solve anything BTW.
by EvanSei August 10, 2009 11:31 AM PDT
I don't see how I am assuming anything, I never once said that everyone needs to fix there own stuff, no not once , what I did say is that allot of problems with pc's, such as software issues microsoft puts out no letters on how to fix it, not all of them but some of them, I also think you misunderstood me when I said I like to fix my own problems, am not going to open up my machine and void the warrantee, I like fixing other issues, issues where if I screw up I can do a hard reset and fix it.
by ckh1272 August 10, 2009 6:06 PM PDT
@EvanSei--I get what you're saying and I think we both are saying the same things, just from different angles. No biggie.
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