August 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT

Apple wins laptop tech-support showdown

by Jim Dalrymple
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If a top-notch customer support program is high on your list of features when buying a new computer, you should be looking at a Mac, according to a new ranking.

Laptop magazine's Tech Support Showdown 2009 rates 10 computer companies' tech support, with Apple coming out the overall winner. Apple's overall grade for 2009 was an "A," scoring an "A" for both phone and Web support.

"Apple has consistently offered some of the best Web and phone support of any computer vendor, and this year was no different," the magazine said in evaluating Apple. "Its Web site is brimming with well-ordered FAQs, query-based search, and PDF manuals, the latter of which quickly answered our external monitor question."

Apple also received "A" ratings in 2007 and 2008 from the magazine for its tech support.

Comparing it to the other companies involved in the showdown, Acer received a C-; ASUS (B-); Dell (C-); Fujitsu (B-); Gateway (B-); HP (C-); Lenovo (B+); Sony (B+); and Toshiba got a "B."

"Virtually no computer vendor--or retailer, for that matter--is immune from the wrath of users who have become intimately familiar with the 'Blue Screen of Death,' and other PC foibles," the magazine said in its introduction to the tests. "But, it's how manufacturers handle their customers' hardware and software problems that ultimately determine their true reliability, and, you would think, future sales."

Apple's support performance over the last few years, coupled with the popularity of the iPhone and iPod, have propelled Apple's Mac sales. In its 2009 fiscal third quarter, Apple reported selling 2.6 million Macs, up 4 percent from the year ago quarter.

Jim Dalrymple has followed Apple and the Mac industry for the last 15 years, first as part of MacCentral and then in various positions at Macworld. Jim also writes about the professional audio market, examining the best ways to record music using a Macintosh. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. He currently runs The Loop. You can follow him on Twitter @jdalrymple.
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by c4s2k3 August 7, 2009 1:57 PM PDT
Sometimes you get what you pay for . . .
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by Random_Walk August 7, 2009 3:21 PM PDT
Exactly - like not putting up with a "It's the operating system" vs. "It's the hardware" blame game as a big for-instance... :)
by gerrrg August 7, 2009 5:13 PM PDT
Interesting. I just got another free Windows XP Pro disk sent to me for free, from Dell customer support via chat. And the guy was from the US. Must be because I bought from the Home Office / Small Business store.
by Random_Walk August 7, 2009 7:19 PM PDT
Interesting. I just called Microsoft support, and suddenly a unicorn burst into my room and farted out a 52" plasma TV! Must be because I rely on anecdotes for evidence, instead of hard numbers from third parties... ;)
by Pishkado August 8, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
@gerrrg: Nobody (including this survey) said Dell, or anyone else, never resolved any customer issues at all. That would be an F, not a C-. You're fortunate, but I tend to believe the survey more than any one person's experience - with any vendor, in either direction. (You also may be fortunate because, whatever your problem was, they could fix it by sending you a CD. That's hardly a test of how good any company's support is.)
by Mark_Anderson August 8, 2009 10:54 AM PDT
Yup. No surprises here considering Apple only offer two options and since Apple's power functions are pre-set (which makes the question a bit pointless) there's not a lot to do there.

Which considering their telephone support drops dead in quarter of the time that, say, HPs or Dells do. Perhaps it's better to wait for another five minutes than not be able to get through at all four months after you bought the computer? :)
by DrtyDogg August 8, 2009 3:51 PM PDT
@Mark_Anderson: I also liked the fact that the first call to Apple had 0 results, while the second call they where pointed to what little power options that are available. A for Apple.

Asus on the other hand, "Both reps answered our questions correctly in less than a minute." B for Asus.
by Random_Walk August 10, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
Nice go at making things up, kids. Try harder next time?

PS: Power options in OSX (including WoL and sundry): System Preferences -> Energy Saver. And they are easily changeable.
by baconstang August 7, 2009 2:01 PM PDT
I almost wish one of mine would break, so I could try out their support. I did use the blogs once to figure out how to move my iTunes library to an external drive. That was easy to find out.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 2:47 PM PDT
Every Apple laptop I've owned after the original iBook clamshell has needed repair at some point (which is why I buy Applecare), and the experience has been positive every time except one. The only bad time, I brought it in to the Apple store, they sent it into Apple, they got it back unrepaired and the screen was damaged (bent) by Apple. But even then, they were so appalled by that lack of service and returning a machine damaged to the customer, the Apple store manager decided to give me a brand new replacement computer from their stock! It was right at the Intel switch, and I didn't want a 13" MacBook, so they gave me a left over 1.42GHz G4 iBook 14", with all the features, an upgrade from my then 1.5 year old iBook G4.

Compared to my sister's HP extended warranty nightmare and my Mom's Dell that was just in such bad shape she had to buy a new one as they kept "fixing" it but not fixing it, if something is going to break, I'd rather have Applecare behind it than some of those other warranties.
by The_happy_switcher August 7, 2009 2:13 PM PDT
Cue the start of Windows Troll postings in 3, 2, 1...
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by justanotherposter August 7, 2009 2:54 PM PDT
Too late, you already did the first post.
And since it was not about MS but laptops, your post is moot, but just set to start something.
But since you did it, point of clarification:
1 - Microsoft does not make or design computers
2 - There is no such thing as a Windows computer / PC / laptp, despite the public / print statements are. Much like Google has been translated to seach, a computer running Windows has translated into a Windows computer. There are only computers that run Windows (Dell, HP, Lenovo, Sony, Alienware, Apple, etc computers. But no Microsoft manufactured computers), and BTW those same (non-MS manufactured) computers run Linux and even MACOS. Though the last one is not supported, encouraged or even legal, but many are doing it and the experience of MAC OS on these (non MAC specific) architectures is mostly crap vs. what one would experience on a specifically tuned MAC HW for the MAC OS. Though many have reported that Windwos runs better on MAC than on these othern non-MAC specific architectures.
3 - Much of the crap/junk inclued in thes non-APPLE manufactered machines cause this calls as well, just as much as the chosen OS might. So it is not just the hardware in question but everyone and eveything aligned with it.

One other point, so, if I chose to run Windows software exclusively on my shinny MAC Pro, cover the Apple logo with say a Dell logo and had issue who should I call Apple help desk, Microsoft, or all the other vendor software and drivers involved, or everybody. Well, that would depend on the issue now wouldn't it?

And oh yea, if I chose to run Windows software exclusively on my shiny MAC Pro, does that now make my shiny new MAC pro a Windows PC.

So if you are going to start an argumen / debatet, at least give it some credence, specifically to all involved and responsible.
by BogusBasin August 7, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
@justanotherposter

So why is Microsoft running commercials about the difference in price between a Mac and a PC? Please explain oh enlightened one. We are waiting to hear. And waiting (Crickets chirping).......

Amen
by The_happy_switcher August 7, 2009 3:02 PM PDT
COngrats Justanother poster, you're today's winner.
by BogusBasin August 7, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
@justanotherposter?

Hello?
by BogusBasin August 7, 2009 3:13 PM PDT
To reach a guy with a really heavy, almost indistinguishable indian accent that calls himself Robert, press 1.
If you are calling because your computer has been turned into a zombie bot, press 2.
If your computer has a message with the word "fatal" in it, press 3.

Amen
by justanotherposter August 7, 2009 3:16 PM PDT
Please show anywhere in the commercial where MS says they designed built or manufactures the device.
Again, as I said, Google has become synonymous with the verb search (whether they like it or not).
Windows on a PC, the Intel type has become synonymous with a Windows PC.

This has nothing to do with enlightenment or the lack thereof.

It has specifically to do with public perception and acceptance of either a community or marketing position that one or a company would take, as your comment directly points to.

And if memory serves the commercial is about choice.

That is what is so great about this country; there is always a choice, in most things.
You have to decide what is best for you and yours, regardless of what anyone else thinks, feels or markets.

So if your choice is MAC good for you.
If someone else chooses Windows good for them.
If someone else chooses Linux, then good for them.
If they decide to write their own OS from scratch, good for them.

No one is in any position to tell anyone the are right or wrong.

Pick the right tool for the right job and move on.
Or chose what you like or what you have been convinced to like and move on.
by ckh1272 August 8, 2009 12:28 AM PDT
@justanotherposter--I think you are missing the point. The point was that the Microsoft ads are touting the "cheaper" hardware that runs Windows, without touting Windows itself. Despite the fact that they do not build the hardware, they keep on brow beating the hardware aspect. What do you not understand about that??
by ckh1272 August 9, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
@dano10000---You are just a little blind to the whole "market share" thing. I think it kind of amusing that over the last ten years I have heard the same statement, only with different numbers. Ten years ago, people like you were saying "Apple only has 2% market share while the other 98% chooses Windows. Five years back it was " Apple only has 4% of the market while 95% choose Windows". Now I read statements like "Apple has only 8-10% of the market while 89% prefer Windows. Notice a trend here?? BTW, most people that buy Macs, don't buy them to just use Windows. Having the ability to run Windows on a Mac is just an added benefit for those users. As for "BSOD", consider yourself lucky. So what if the BSOD is caused by "faulty" 3rd party drivers. To me, that just shows the monumental task of getting all those 3rd party drivers to agree with the OS and hardware. I will say one thing about WIndows though. The BSOD have become far less common over the years. I have had Vista on a 1st gen. MBP and have had only one total freeze up that required a power down and it was apparently a Java issue (BTW, I have a huge dislike for Java and Flash, since they are resource hog). My point is that just because people like you or me haven't had a BSOD in ages, doesn't mean that it doesn't still occur. All this banter about people paying too much for Macs is just pure fodder to me. If want a Windows PC, go for it. If you want a Mac, go for it. Why do some people get so bent out of shape just because other people prefer to use something they do not? Why insult other buyers intelligence by calling them names, just because they like something else (not saying that you did, but others have like monkeyfun14). Get over it people and try using your computers for something other than just blogging about the same old non sense.
by Dalkorian August 10, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
BSOD's aren't *all* caused by "faulty third party drivers" as some of the prostitutes like to claim and I have witnessed proof of that myself. A friend of mine had updated a laptop to ex-pee SP3 before he got laid off and so he started creating backup disks of his data before he wiped the drive clean. He wanted those backup disks verified by another machine (a logical request), so I fired up my box to verify his disks for him. Being they were created in winblows, I figured it would be prudent to use winblows to verify them, but I hadn't updated to SP3 yet. Each disk I put into my machine opened without issue and I could not only see but open the files contained within, but ejecting every one of them caused a BSOD. After a few of those I started using the Ubuntu partition to verify the disks and stopped having problems (all his disks were good in the end). Curiously, I tried booting winblows a few days later to play a game and it wouldn't boot. All those BSOD's corrupted the boot sector, forcing me to pull out the install disk and fix the system. Ubuntu still booted without issue.

So BSOD's aren't always driver issues, sometimes it's because M$ can't write decent software all by itself.
by BogusBasin August 7, 2009 2:28 PM PDT
Vegaman? Seaspray? Mr. Dee? Monkeyfun?

Where are all the MS zealots?

Must be on hold with tech support.

Amen
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by monkeyfun14 August 7, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
Well I see the Apple zealots are all here.

baconstang, The Happy Switcher, BogusBasin

Nice to see you.
by Perry_Clease August 7, 2009 2:39 PM PDT
@monkeyfun14

He friend don't forget me :)
by The_happy_switcher August 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT
@monkeyfun: say something trollish so I can give you a virtual prize.
by BelkyB August 7, 2009 2:45 PM PDT
@monkeyfun14

You should really consider buying a Mac. It will run Windows 7 better than your PC. Come on. Think of all the free time you will have to make posts on CNET instead of trying to get C class support from the PC boys.

I think that these findings prove that all the negativity that you spread about Macs is utter non-sense.

Cheers mate!
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 2:48 PM PDT
monkey -

It's a story about how Apple is a good company. Why wouldn't people who like Apple's post? It's not trolling, it's the target audience commenting.

Trolling is when people post just to stir up trouble or try to mitigate the news (good or bad) in an article for whatever reason.
by monkeyfun14 August 7, 2009 2:58 PM PDT
@ikramerica

He made a trolling comment himself

I simply made a rebuttal he was practically asking for it.
by terminalblue August 7, 2009 7:23 PM PDT
ill chime in here too.

their tech support is pretty good. but if something REALLY goes wrong (like lets say an exploding ipod) then you better be prepared to take what they give you or fight or whats right.

Also, i have had to have two zunes replaced, and microsoft tech support was great,and replaced them in under a week.
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 10:29 PM PDT
Under a week? Well, I guess once they have the MS stores, that will improve. But take a malfunctioning iPod or iPhone into an Apple Store, and if under warranty or applecare, they will replace it on the spot after testing it out to make sure it isn't just a matter of restoring it to default.
by ckh1272 August 8, 2009 12:30 AM PDT
"by monkeyfun14 August 7, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
Well I see the Apple zealots are all here.

baconstang, The Happy Switcher, BogusBasin

Nice to see you."

What did you expect to see on an Apple related article? A bunch of Microsoft zealots?? Pure genius.
by myles taylor August 7, 2009 2:40 PM PDT
As I've said before, we can all site here and argue about which one is better until the end of time and probably will. However, the numbers don't lie and people are happier with Macs than they are with Windows. That could be because there are fewer Macs out there or whatever, but that's the bottom line. Argue and explain away.

Or we could not argue about it. ;)
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by SactoGuy018 August 7, 2009 2:46 PM PDT
Actually, it's more like the fact because there are so few hardware configurations on the current MacBook and MacBook Pro models, it means better code optimization and a lot less issues with software driver compatibility for the hardware, too.
by BogusBasin August 7, 2009 2:47 PM PDT
There are those that say Apple charges too much for the same thing. That you are paying for the logo. I suggest perhaps there is some value to being number one in technical support year after year. There are other ways to find the value in Apple computers, like the reduced likelihood of being infected with a virus. What value should be placed on that? But there are those that simply refuse to recognize these values. So they get what they pay for.

Amen
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
No, fewer Macs has nothing to do with it, as these are relative numbers, not absolute. Apple computers and iPhones/iPods get high marks for satisfaction and support because, even though the quality of Apple support isn't what it once was, it's still better than the current state of affairs in the industry.

There was a time when Dell support was top notch, as was the toll free MS support. But the whole industry has declined.

It's kind of like the airline industry. NOBODY is as good as they were 20 years ago, but that doesn't mean that an airline like Continental, Southwest or JetBlue isn't better at customer service than the even worse airlines they compete with. It's all relative.
by Random_Walk August 7, 2009 3:00 PM PDT
@Sacto - you forgot that with Apple, there's no OS <-> OEM blame-game to contend with, like you get with a typical PC OEM (for those calls that don't involve obvious hardware breaks, that is).

In all cases, Apple owns the support call from first to last.
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 10:32 PM PDT
They will even try to help when it's clearly a problem with HP printer drivers, for example. And then, once HP fixes them, Apple will push the updated drivers to all users through software update. They just did such an update a couple weeks back.
by Jeremy Chappell August 8, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
Apple's support job is easier. Simply put - they don't have to deal with an OS they have no control over. And when they build the OS the boot is on the other foot - they don't have to deal with an almost infinite number of configurations. Apple get it easy both ways.

Now that's not exactly going to put me off buying a Mac... But Apple have made it easy on themselves.
by walletless August 7, 2009 2:58 PM PDT
May be apple tech support can help me install the google voice app on my iPhone...
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by August 7, 2009 8:08 PM PDT
lmao.... pure wit...
by The_happy_switcher August 7, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
Wow, all the usual Apple bashers must be busy defragging their hard drives and updating antivirus/spyware. Eerie.
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by monkeyfun14 August 7, 2009 3:42 PM PDT
Nah it does it by itself
by tektaktyks August 7, 2009 6:02 PM PDT
ok u asked for it
by ckh1272 August 8, 2009 12:35 AM PDT
@The_happy_switcher--What's with the troll baiting comments?? If you enjoy that kind of thing, that's fine and dandy, but in the future you might want to consider a different tactic like staying on point. There are enough trolls about and they don't need any encouragement. Everyone should just let the non-sense go.
by BeatleMegaFan August 7, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
Apple Support has always been a great help to me, so I'm glad it's more or less consistent for all of their customers. Good to know, hope they keep it up.

-BMF
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by gusmaru August 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT
I recently had an LCD and hard drive failure on my Dell XPS 1530 - I had a really positive experience with tech support. They shipped me a box with a UPS courier label and 3 days they shipped it back with a fixed LCD screen and a new hard drive. They provided me with my old drive and recover data, destroy the disk and return the remains to them. I couldn't be happier - especially since Dell fixed a crack in the chasis that was totally my fault (and I know they didn't give me a new laptop since there were existing scuff marks)

Now this service may have only been for XPS customers - I have no idea what the experience is like for those buying their studio or lower end models.
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by BogusBasin August 7, 2009 6:28 PM PDT
Dell got a C-

Same grade as Congress I believe. Dell sells cheap. You get what you pay for. Those that can't see that are blind. Wake up!

Amen
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 10:36 PM PDT
That's good to hear about your Dell experience. But honestly, that is what it's supposed to be like for anyone. Apple works the same way (though they might not replace the cracked case if you cracked it). About the same timeframe. I am not sure about returning the drive to you, but I don't know that all Dell warranties allow for that.

And of course, if you bring it into the Apple store, you don't have to worry about the shipping part, and they will recover the data to a new drive for you if possible (if the drive is salvageable). But not everyone has an Apple store nearby.
by EvanSei August 7, 2009 3:47 PM PDT
I have used apple support and must say I am impressed with knowledge the employees have, I have also used hp support and am surprised to see the low customer support rating
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by smpimacG5 August 7, 2009 4:17 PM PDT
@monkeyfun14

I see your here too, can't have an Apple topic without your two cents. After all we all come to laugh at what the PC guys have to bash Apple over.

And as usual, Apple wins again. After they have everything over MS. You can't even talk to a MS rep, normally because they know how horrible there stuff is and don't want to hear about it, but then they have you....

Apple builds superior products and superior programs...Never had a "blue screen" on any of my Macs....guess us fanboys like not dealing with MS inferior OS!
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by smpimacG5 August 7, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
@monkeyfun

Yeah cause MS OS has to constantly do it, or it crashes...
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by monkeyfun14 August 7, 2009 5:18 PM PDT
Nope actually.. I've had more crashes on the Mac's im forced to use then my Vista PC.


If Macs never crash why is there a "Force Close" button on locked up applications?
by Perry_Clease August 7, 2009 6:55 PM PDT
"If Macs never crash why is there a "Force Close" button on locked up applications."

That is for people who are "forced" to use a Mac.
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 10:40 PM PDT
monkeyfun - you have the onsite warranty. Dell offers that standard on select systems, but it's extra cost on most others, especially all the discount ones. It sounds like it might be worth the money, though.
by ckh1272 August 8, 2009 12:38 AM PDT
@monkeyfun14--It's called "force quit" by the way.
by ballmerisanape August 8, 2009 7:35 AM PDT
force quit.... it stops the application without bringing down the OS. Mac apps crash... but it's pretty darn hard to get the system to crash. Many people also forget that the can restart the Finder.
by Dalkorian August 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT
Way to prove yourself an ignorant liar monkey boy. If you ever used a Mac, you'd know it was "Force Quit". You would also know it is displayed when an application has stopped responding (not the OS itself, but an application). You would know it only quit the application itself without affecting any other application or the OS itself.

But instead of knowing these things, you decided to prove you don't. Nice job. I guess I should still believe the lie about you experiencing more crashes in the Mac than you do in your beloved fista though?
by jimmyhoops August 7, 2009 4:22 PM PDT
You ALWAYS get what you pay for! But somehow, I doubt that customer service will ever become a factor when PC ads are portrayed on TV. As my mother is fond of saying, "cheap isn't cheap and expensive isn't expensive!"

I've used Apple Care twice and have been blown away by the fast and friendly service at Apple. I had a 3 month old MacBook Pro 17" that blew a mother board. I phoned in the service call on a friday afternoon, had the shipping box overnighted and waiting for me at the office Monday morning. Shipped it out the same day and had the repaired computer back in the office by Wednesday morning. It's been running flawlessly ever since.

No computer is immune to technical issues, but Apple stands behind their products and work at the speed of light to get them resolved. I'll never buy anything but Apple products from here on out!

And if you need tech support, you'll be speaking with a CSR that is from America, is knowledgeable, compassionate and friendly. And most importantly, they don't have an awful accent to try and decipher. That alone is worth its weight in gold!!!
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by monkeyfun14 August 7, 2009 5:19 PM PDT
Interesting. When the power supply on my Dell failed the guy came out to me within 2 business days no shipping no hassles.
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 10:38 PM PDT
Actually, many CSRs sound like they are in Canada. But it's "close enough" as they understand American sayings and our sense of humor and we can speak as quickly as we want without having to repeat ourselves, so it's not the strained/pained communication you get speaking to an English speaker from another country, reading off of a script while dreaming about being on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?"
by Random_Walk August 10, 2009 6:41 AM PDT
FWIW: Business customers of Dell and HP (who pay for 4-hour Gold support) get US/Canadian CSRs. Consumers and lesser grade business customers (IIRC on the latter) get India.

Apple customers get the US (or Canada)?

Microsoft customers (even EA holders these days, apparently) get India, unless you have to escalate. As a consolation, EA holders do have a US rep who helps coordinate things, but be prepared to cough up a six-figure annual sum for the privilege.
by BelkyB August 11, 2009 7:52 PM PDT
@monkeyfun14

2 Business days wait time - You are obviously a troll with nothing better to do.

With a Mac, I can walk into any Apple Store and get instant service.

Keep on waiting *************!
by jimmyhoops August 7, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
... I forgot to mention that it didn't cost me a dime (with the purchase of Apple Care). All overnight and repair fees/hardware were covered 100%. They definitely get an A+ in the service department.
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by EvanSei August 7, 2009 4:33 PM PDT
I don't see why you are all so connected to a particular company (that goes for both apple and MS fanboys out there) , what have these companies ever done for you, besides blow you over for money that is. Apple has better mp3 players by a mile, and more reliant systems,also a very nice looking computer while staying up to date with new technologies, but microsoft offers a more customizable system with more options and an appropriate price tag being backward compatable is nice to. the way I see it being so one minded you end up screwing yourself out of the best products and user experience.
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by jimmyhoops August 7, 2009 4:35 PM PDT
See my comments above. But f you ever need tech support, you'll know why these ratings account for something. I'm not going to argue that Macs are the end all, be all. But when it comes to support, they are the hands down winner!!!
by ckh1272 August 8, 2009 12:40 AM PDT
Could not have said it better myself EvanSei. Great points!!
by tektaktyks August 7, 2009 6:16 PM PDT
i was gonna tell u what those "geniuses" did with my iphone but i gotta run,tell u next time or later,anyways,they have bunch of kids who work for them and they not very bright,sure theres some smart ppl working there,some managers but please,im gonna tell the story when i get the first post...
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by Dalkorian August 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
Riiiight. You're just dripping credibility with that one dude!
by technewsjunkie August 7, 2009 6:18 PM PDT
An OS and Computer "The ahrdware" are inseparable. The article is about both because it's about "support" meaning they can't just troubleshoot the "hardware" and forget about the OS!

Nevertheless, Apple gets an "A".

Now the Dells in my office, I just lost tow hard drives, one on my laptop, and one on my desktop. The tech that replaced the drive said he hates them because they are unreliable. But they do provide employment for an entire industry that is needed to constantly repair them. So Wintel is good for jobs.
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by gwailo247 August 7, 2009 6:33 PM PDT
You do realize that there's an Intel chip sitting in your Mac, right?

And who do you think makes the hard drives in your Mac? Nimble fingered cherubs sitting on clouds listening to iPods?

We may look different on the outside, but we're all the same on the inside, lol.
by ikramerica--2008 August 7, 2009 10:44 PM PDT
I've had so many HDs fail in the last 12 months, it's just inexcusable. Dell should not be blamed for that. They buy the same parts as everyone else. It's the fault of the drive companies, who are driving up size and competing to see who can sell the cheapest, largest, least reliable drive on the planet, with few options for reliable drives without building a RAID and spending 5-10x as much. Even the so called "enterprise" and "media" drives are failure prone at this point.

Hopefully solid state will be more reliable in the long run, and it doesn't become less reliable as it scales due to the way data is stored.
by jakeZ2 August 8, 2009 12:02 AM PDT
No doubt apple has good TS for their computers. My co-workers have nothing but good things to say about it, but I'd be curious what their rating would be if they say had 10, 20, 30, or 40% market share. Numbers show the larger companies get, the worse their support gets.
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by BogusBasin August 8, 2009 9:46 AM PDT
A valid point. That is why Apple isn't going for quantity. They concentrate on quality and profit margin. They could drop the price of their wares greatly, and make less profit, and spend less on R&D, put cheaper components in, reduce customer service, etc. Then they could get rid of the Apple logo and put Dell or HP etc. on.

Amen
by nemetfox August 8, 2009 2:14 AM PDT
Well I have an interesting Apple support story.
A person close to me works for an educational institution, and they just received a rather large number of top of the line 17" MacBook Pros. The schmanciest of the fanciest.
Well, one of them showed up as if it had been tossed beneath a truck. Screen smashed, pieces rattling in the box, and the box itself has seen better days.

Apple says: Too bad, buy a new $4000 computer.
FedEx says: Apple didn't insure it, so it's not our problem.

It also leaves a student without the machine they paid for, and need for their classes.

This is what we who have worked in the customer service field refer to as a certain type of baggery (the type of which I am not going to mention, out of a misguided sense of decency).
I know that I personally would not put up with that kind of treatment.

Just thought I'd post this to give another perspective.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
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by Perry_Clease August 8, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
So who signed for the smashed box?
by ikramerica--2008 August 8, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
Inspect your boxes before signing for them. If you refuse delivery, it becomes a problem between Apple and Fedex. If you accept delivery, it becomes a problem for you...
by BogusBasin August 8, 2009 9:47 AM PDT
I call BS.

Amen
by Perry_Clease August 8, 2009 12:56 PM PDT
"I call BS. "

Me too, but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. At best it is "hearsay evidence."
by stanz358 August 8, 2009 5:10 AM PDT
shave that moustache
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