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July 13, 2009 6:26 AM PDT

China to get an iPhone without Wi-Fi?

by Jim Dalrymple
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Apple may have blinked first in the ongoing battle with the Chinese government to allow the company to sell a Wi-Fi-enabled iPhone in that country.

(Credit: Apple)

The back-and-forth battle between Apple and China's Ministry of Industry and Information may be coming to a close. According to a BusinessWeek report, Apple has applied for a Network Access License that would allow the company to begin selling the iPhone without Wi-Fi.

In typical fashion, Apple has reportedly been hard-nosed in negotiations with the Chinese government over the iPhone. However, the government has been just as hard-nosed, refusing to allow Apple to sell the Wi-Fi-enabled phone in China.

AppleInsider guesstimates that the approval process for the iPhone would take four to six months, making a potential launch date no later than January 2010.

Of course, the iPhone is being used in many countries where it is not officially sold, China being one of them. The ability to unlock the phones and use them on any compatible network has made the iPhone popular worldwide.

Bringing a Chinese company, speculated to be China Unicom, on board as an official carrier would enable Apple to open the iPhone to a huge market of potential growth. It's unclear what the lack of Wi-Fi will do for the popularity of the smartphone, but it's obviously a concession that Apple felt was worth making.

Jim Dalrymple has followed Apple and the Mac industry for the last 15 years, first as part of MacCentral and then in various positions at Macworld. Jim also writes about the professional audio market, examining the best ways to record music using a Macintosh. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. He currently runs The Loop. You can follow him on Twitter @jdalrymple.
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by codynews July 13, 2009 6:58 AM PDT
If the govt wants Apple to remove wifi, I assume that most phones in China don't have wifi? If that's the case, *** is Apple's issue? Just remove wifi and start sellin'.

Unless I'm missing something.
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by mbenedict July 13, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
Um, I already predicted this only FIVE MONTHS ago, right here on CNET comments. :-)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10163185-37.html
by man_w_balls July 13, 2009 7:07 AM PDT
Why would Apple do such a thing? Numbers! 1.3 billion potential customers, approximately.
Still doesn't make it un-lame. It would be cool if they would stand up as an American company to say NO to Chinese authoritarian rule-craziness. But money talks...

A question of implementation: could they just do a small software tweak to disable the wifi chip on a system root level? Then all the tech-savvy chinafolk could just unlock it and get the wifi...
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by sharmajunior July 13, 2009 7:22 AM PDT
Its because China has its own version of Wi-Fi and it doesn't let any company implement wifi there.
by bschmock July 13, 2009 7:47 AM PDT
No the problem is that China blankets its internet access to only allow what it wants its users to see. And letting the I-phone have Wi-Fi could potentially open the internet back up letting the users see all the "inappropriate content" that they are currently banned from viewing.
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by MSSlayer July 13, 2009 9:23 AM PDT
How about no?

When you get a wifi signal, within 200 feet or so there will be a wireless AP, switch, whatever, from that piece of hardware and beyond is all wired.

In other words, you access the same network with wifi, which in this case means the government controlled internet.

If it was a matter of encryption, they could just insist that encryption not be supported.

Why do they do this? Probably because like every other country and company, they are technically illiterate.
by gggg sssss July 14, 2009 7:04 PM PDT
@ MSSlayer How about yes

hard wire allows easy authentication - its your wire in yor house, you are responsible. The govt will know who to shoot. If anybody can log on anywhere with minimal authentication starbuck style, or with easily spoofed authetication, who will you round up for execution if some embassing pitures of the last execution hit the net?

Think, then type.
by nfrengle July 13, 2009 8:13 AM PDT
The issue, which was completely missed by this story, is that China has regulations around what sort of encryption WiFi can use, and the requirement for ANY Wifi devices to use a weak encryption that can be tapped by the government. I forget the name they have given to this required 'feature', but the Ministry of Posts and Telecommunications will not certify any device that doesn't have it. I imagine that Apple was balking at altering it's OS to include weak/hackable encryption, while the Chinese government were just being, well...authoritarian.
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by mbenedict July 13, 2009 9:28 AM PDT
@nfrengle:

Sorry but that's not really correct.

1. China (years ago) WAS going to require all WiFi devices sold in China to support the WAPI standard, but after stiff opposition from the US government and industry, they agreed to drop this requirement:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/92590/China_agrees_to_drop_WAPI_standard

2. Since then, WAPI has been revised and submitted to the ISO for consideration as an open standard. The ISO so far has rejected WAPI twice due to secrecy concerns, but after even more revisions it looks like WAPI will indeed become an international standard:

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=104668

There is no evidence that WAPI will use "weak encryption" or that it can be "tapped by the government".

3. Indeed the vast majority of WiFi devices in China today are *not* WAPI compliant. Just walk to any electronics store in Beijing or Shanghai...

4. Until recently China disallowed all mobile phones from having ANY non-telephony wireless (be it WiFi *or* WAPI). It looks like the first wireless mobile phones approved for China (notably the Motorola A3100) will have WAPI *and* WiFi. While ease of surveillance certainly was a factor, the primary reason seems to be to protect telecoms revenue from VOIP calls. (E.g., various ISPs also banned Skype, etc., since VOIP was eating their lunch).

5. The issue with the iPhone is more likely the MIIT wants to see devices supporting both standards. Part of the reason is the Chinese telecoms are deploying a lot of wireless gear supporting WAPI as they've invested a lot of money in it. The Chinese however are also mindful of the trade war that could develop if they push WAPI too hard.
by mchinsky July 13, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
We all have the same exact question. Why? And it seems to be answered by nfrengle. So what's wrong with this 'reporter' who didn't answer the most obvious question of the article?

Boy cnet's budget, for reporters must be really low
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by mbenedict July 13, 2009 9:01 AM PDT
Except that nfrengle is wrong.
by hotsnot July 13, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
I agree with mchinsky ... it's very annoying to read an article only to have to scroll down through the comments to find out if anyone else has the facts that the reporter couldn't be bothered digging up.
This "post a headline, but let your readers do the reporting" approach strikes me as a new low that I hope doesn't catch on !
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by Silver_2000 July 13, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
so many of these "news sites" have become simply collections of blog posts - no research, no content - no vetting of sources - just the opinion of the user - trouble is that the content is presented as more than that
by jaxstephens July 13, 2009 11:21 AM PDT
Here here, Hotsnot. This was not analytical reporting. The biggest question generated by the headline ("Why?") was not even addressed by the reporter.
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by banfuping July 14, 2009 12:03 AM PDT
As I know the phone Nokia N82 have Wi-Fi?but this type of phone saled in China do not support Wi-Fi?Why govt remove Wi-Fi?

http://www.chinastakes.com/2009/6/apples-slow-boat-to-china-gains-speed-as-iphone-gains-block-buster-consumer-acceptance.html
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by happygolucky101lol July 14, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
JC China, just get over your damning policies, let people have more than one kid, and START SELLING PHONES WITH Wi-Fi. It's just internet wirelessly! Even my uncle has a router.
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by FanGLeFanGLe August 15, 2009 1:48 AM PDT
if ur mom got 1.3 billion kids, i wanna c if she wants more...... she would probably start killing them!!!!!
by runninghard July 23, 2009 4:59 PM PDT
if apple is willing to compromise itsef in china , what will china demannd next to access it markets ,maybe its time , to source elsewhere , andmaybe its time we developed a back bone ,instead of a wishbone , we all know what bullyboys do , untill we stand up and say NO
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by bcuster August 28, 2009 10:01 PM PDT
WHY? I agree- I want an explanation for why Apple is being asked to sell a wifi disabled iphone in China.

I live in Shanghai, and have lived in China for two years, and this makes no sense. Everyone and their dog buys cell phones from China Mobile/Unicom/Telecom with wifi (working just fine) and uses the wifi at cafes and bars all over the country!

All censorship, of which there is a somewhat inflated view in the west, is done from the ISP or some more fundamental source- not from the device itself.

I doesn't make any sense to me that Apple would be asked to sell the iphone without wifi. I use wifi on my Nokia E63 that I bought from China Mobile all the time!

An explanation (hint, hint, Mr. Author) would be much appreciated.
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