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May 26, 2009 6:49 AM PDT

North Carolina hopes for $1 billion Apple investment

by Jim Dalrymple
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Update at 8:25 a.m. PDT: Further attribution has been added.

North Carolina officials are pushing to change state tax law in hopes of attracting new companies, specifically Apple, according to an Associated Press report.

The state is pursuing a $1 billion investment from Apple over a nine-year period to build a server farm, the AP said, citing an anonymous state official. However, the law must be changed to give state officials the ability to attract Apple through tax breaks and other incentives.

The tax breaks offered to Apple would be worth an estimated $46 million over the life of the deal, the AP reported. But Apple must jump a few hurdles itself. The company would have to meet its $1 billion investment target in order to get the tax breaks, the AP said. Apple would also have to locate the server farm in an area of the state with high unemployment--Catawba and Cleveland counties are said to be potential sites for investment.

Offering tax incentives is not a new practice for any state government, but North Carolina does have experience in attracting high-tech companies. Google signed a deal in 2007 worth $600 million to open a server farm in the state for a promised $260 million worth of incentives over 30 years, the AP reported.

The proposed tax changes that could potentially bring Apple to North Carolina are scheduled for a vote Tuesday.

Jim Dalrymple has followed Apple and the Mac industry for the last 15 years, first as part of MacCentral and then in various positions at Macworld. A guitar player for 20 years, Jim also writes about the professional audio market, examining the best ways to write and record songs on a Macintosh with Logic Pro and Pro Tools. Jim is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by myles taylor May 26, 2009 7:20 AM PDT
We need to stop building server farms here and push the technology to get them moved to space. Solar powered and we wouldn't have to cool them.
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by dbargen May 26, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
Let me see guess, defunct Global Warming fearmonger? Seriously, what do you have against coal power plants and large refrigeration units?
by timber2005 May 26, 2009 8:54 AM PDT
Uh, yes... you do have to cool things in space. Except because there is no air, you have to use things like liquid helium. Check out NASA for info on it.
by myles taylor May 26, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
No actually. Global warming or no global warming, it's still ridiculous to burn fuel, heat water, create steam, turn turbines, use electricity from turbines to run servers which create more heat and use more electricity to cool them. It's just stupid and inefficient.

I'll look into the cooling issue in space.
by sanenazok May 26, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
@myles: outer space? Are you an adult? If so, why not put it under the sea so the little mermaid can act as the tech. How about the fifth dimension? In the real world it's prohibitively expensive to send one pound into space, not to mention an entire server farm.
by Vegaman_Dan May 26, 2009 11:31 AM PDT
@myles taylor:

" It's just stupid and inefficient"

Interesting that you would consider sending a manned rocket to an orbiting platform to replace a failed server / hard drive / etc to be a more effecient use of resources.

In order to really be efficient, you'd need hundreds if not *thousands* of redundant servers to make up for the ones that go down due to hardware failure (memory, HDD, sys bd, etc). Since you can't afford to send up a manned mission to replace parts all the time, you'd either have to have redundancy to the extreme, or have a manned space station for the purpose, either of which becomes hideously expensive to do.
by Get_Bent May 26, 2009 12:37 PM PDT
And they can send you up as the sysadmin. That will last until the first solar flare fries you with a radiation burst....
by Seaspray0 May 26, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
@myles taylor. Maybe you can cut a deal with the space aliens to transport all those servers.
by mclaurin10 May 26, 2009 7:21 AM PDT
Eh for some reason I don't see apple in North Carolina, though for customer service and the like its a great deal
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by timber2005 May 26, 2009 8:56 AM PDT
But it's a pretty big technology state. Cisco, RedHat, the whole RTP... a huge gaming development region... the list goes on and on.
by May 26, 2009 7:56 AM PDT
incredible, you get to build a server farm in a county that according to their website:

http://www.catawbacountync.gov/

just this year is finally performing building inspections throughout the entire county, woot!
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by dbargen May 26, 2009 8:19 AM PDT
Um, why?

Was there a particular purpose for this server farm? Did some business need the computing space? Some science group need to work on the human genome? The way this article is worded, it smells too much like "build it, and they will come," to me.

Also, I'm a little curious on how exactly NC changed their tax laws in this pursuit. Did they waive some of the locality's taxes a point of sale for the land, and local sales tax, or was it a much better, sweeping revision to their tax code such as no income tax or no corporation tax or the like?

Is it just me, or is CNET lagging behind on reporting details?
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by ralfthedog May 26, 2009 9:48 AM PDT
It's for Apple. Apple is expanding and they are having a hard time keeping up with their IT needs. They can't build server capacity fast enough (Server capacity is more than just a bunch of computers. It is also the infrastructure to support those computers (AC, power, security...).

The changes in NC tax law are that Apple would not need to pay corporate income tax in NC as long as most of Apples sales are not in NC (Gross simplification).
by Vegaman_Dan May 26, 2009 9:58 AM PDT
I'm kind of surprised they wouldn't choose eastern Washington. Microsoft has their data center in Quincy, WA, and the region is well suited for cheap power, geologic stability and.... the #1 producer of Apples in the United States. :)
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by ralfthedog May 26, 2009 4:02 PM PDT
I think Apple is looking for an East coast farm.
by Seaspray0 May 26, 2009 4:11 PM PDT
I want to know what OS they would be running.
by RTFM May 26, 2009 11:09 AM PDT
Alaska.
Not too hot up there most of the year.
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by ralfthedog May 26, 2009 4:02 PM PDT
See my comment about the East coast.

:)
by tipoo_ May 26, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
I wasnt aware that Apple builds server farms.
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by baconstang May 26, 2009 1:27 PM PDT
I'd guess that between iTunes, the App Store and all the traffic at Apple (store, forums etc.) they use a few servers. Build it on the coast and cool it with seawater.
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by Seaspray0 May 26, 2009 4:14 PM PDT
Seawater is very corrosive.
by n7565j May 26, 2009 2:32 PM PDT
Got a Google server farm here in Caldwell county, they said they came here because of the abundant power here... Since all our furniture plants went to China, I guess we've got some to spare. Catawba and Cleveland are the same way, lots of power, and no users. I don't think they'll hire many locals, maybe a few to maintain the HVAC units & security, but a few is better than none ;-) We got Google, Epic, Red Hat, & RTP to name a few, so keep em comin :-)
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by Seaspray0 May 26, 2009 4:15 PM PDT
Please open up the furniture plants. That stuff made in china is cheaper but it doesn't last like the stuff you guys made.
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