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Apple, AT&T, Samsung, Verizon, and others sued over Shazam app

by Erica Ogg
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Correction 5/18: Gracenote was incorrectly listed as a partner of Shazam.

Earlier this week, a company called Tune Hunter accused music-finding service Shazam as well as a host of consumer electronics makers, wireless service operators, and digital music retailers of infringing on its patent on a music identification system.

Shazam is named along with Samsung, Apple, Amazon.com, Napster, Motorola, Gracenote, Verizon Wireless, LG Electronics, AT&T Mobility, and Pantech Wireless in a suit filed Tuesday over U.S. Patent No. 6,941,275, which was issued to Remi Swierczek/Tune Hunter in September 2005. The suit accuses Shazam's music discovery and identification service of violating the patent and the other companies of benefiting directly from Shazam's alleged infringement. Tune Hunter is asking for unspecified damages and an injunction from the U.S. District Court for the Eastern Division of Texas that would prevent "further infringement" on Tune Hunter's patent.

Tune Hunter's patent covers "a music identification/purchasing system, specifically to a method for marking the time and the name of the radio station in portable device such as a key holder, watch, cellular phone, beeper or the like which will allow the user to learn via internet or regular telephone the name of the song, artist and/or music company by matching the stored data with broadcast archive."

Shazam is available on several different mobile devices. It is a popular iPhone application sold through Apple's App Store, which "listens" to songs and identifies them. Samsung is a partner with London-based Shazam on a mobile music store. Amazon.com is a retail partner of Shazam. Gracenote is a competitor.

Shazam was founded in 2002 in London and says by the end of the year its service will be available on 250 million devices.

Shazam, AT&T, Apple, and Gracenote each said they had no comment on the suit, and Samsung and Verizon had not yet heard about it.

Shazam is also available on many platforms not named in the lawsuit, including Research In Motion's BlackBerry, Facebook, and Android-based phones like T-Mobile's G1.

CNET News reporters Maggie Reardon and Greg Sandoval contributed to this story.

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by thomasbrenneke May 14, 2009 4:17 PM PDT
A bit far fetched but perhaps not far enough for patent litigation. Tune hunter doesn't seem to be a product or have a product. At least nothing I've yet to discover.
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by ikramerica--2008 May 15, 2009 8:50 AM PDT
C.net reporters are so "Drive by" it's funny. While the headline is technically right, why is Apple listed by name along with "others" when their only crime is offering the app at the iTunes music store? Just so the author gets hits?

I guess it's less sexy to write "Gracenote, others sued by..." because nobody would click?
by jglb May 14, 2009 4:22 PM PDT
Isn't this closer to what Microsoft and their Zune does re: tagging Songs played on the Zune's FM radio for later downloading from the Zune pass or purchase?
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by timber2005 May 14, 2009 7:43 PM PDT
No. The apps mentioned above use a microphone, record a snipped of the song, and identify it.
The Zune uses the digital metadata broadcast over FM to tag the song.

Similar to how Digital TV, Cable, Sat work... how they can show the tv show data on the TV.
Currently though, not ALL stations broadcast the digital information for the song and album.
by Pete Bardo May 14, 2009 4:26 PM PDT
They do this "by matching the stored data with broadcast archive"? That seems pretty obvious to me, but I'm not from Texas either.
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by Seaspray0 May 14, 2009 9:24 PM PDT
Your loss.
by FreddieT May 14, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
As far as I can tell, the patent does not specify the method by which to match music. How can the mere idea of providing service to do so be patented to begin with?
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by Gambit642 May 15, 2009 6:11 AM PDT
This is just another guy trolling for $$. In the 21st century, the new profession of choice is patent hording.
Let the big guys spend the time and money to develop something that someone with no engineering skill or coding experience had an abstract idea of, then try to steal their revenue because they got it working. Patent's were never intended for intellectual property. I don't see how a person who doesn't invest time and money in to development, or doesn't do anything other that claim originator, deserves compensation for something they could not pioneer to develop anyway? Compensation for what? What did he do? What money has he lost if he hasn't created a thing since since 2005? What a lazy way to to succeed.
by Gambit642 May 15, 2009 6:14 AM PDT
And he patented something on 2005 that Shazam had been developing since 2002.

Old-world litigation is going to be the guillotine of new-world invention and development.
by May 15, 2009 6:53 AM PDT
Can I get a patent for "flapping my arms"? Patent law is so ridiculous, I just might get it!
by chonnom May 15, 2009 1:05 PM PDT
What you'll find with this patent squating stuff is an attempt to settle out of court because they more often than not get thrown out. The patent description has to actually be pretty similar to the alleged malfactor's product for it to hold up in court. It's usually cheaper for the company to settle than to pay attorney's fees, etc.
I didn't look but if Apple is actually listed on the complaint, it would be because they provide access to the copyrighted material. The people bringing the suite would have had to file a cease and desist order at some point that would have been ignored for this to happen.
by anilsudh May 14, 2009 4:51 PM PDT
Slow news day I guess.
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by databrain May 14, 2009 4:55 PM PDT
It seems every week there is some company suing another company by patent squatting. It seems the whole patent system needs to be fixed seriously! Whats even more lame is patent disputes over simple computer tasks like, hmm lets see... pressing clicking a link to a website? I have not herd of any patent disputes over that yet however i would not be surprised anymore if some idiot or holdings company tries and do that.
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by emiliosic May 15, 2009 12:44 PM PDT
Btritish Telecom tried to get money from 'Hyperlinking' in the early days of the Internet. They didn't get too far but caused quite a stir in th day.
by Serenity_ree May 14, 2009 5:11 PM PDT
Yes, ideas can be patented. When somebody comes up with a new idea, or a twist or spin on an old one the most important action to take is to legally obtain a patent. This protects the idea while it is being developed. Of course, there are specific criteria which must be met, but if Tune Hunter has a patent then it seems like the owner of the patent met those requirements. This is actually interesting for me because it tests this in court. If it gets by a judge then it can set precedent and make it even more difficult for others to create similar products. After a certain number of years some patents expire, and then other companies can come out with their own versions. This encourage competition.
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by BtmnHatesRbn May 15, 2009 8:23 AM PDT
if an applicable product or usage isn't applied to the awarded patent, and the patent is not made public in some way, as courts have recently rules, the owner of the patent is entitled to nothing and must pay all legal costs.

do a little research on your own on past patent cases. even Nintendo was guilty of the NES 10 lockout chip and Sega had the SEGA chip, which had patents copied by unlicensed companies to publish games on their consoles. a judge ruled they can't do that, but did hold Atari guilty of using public information wrongly. that's one example, and those two patents were being used.

Who is Tune Hunter? because they feature they speak of has been in my cell phone for almost a decade. it's a pretty old phone.
by tekwiz4u May 14, 2009 5:47 PM PDT
It's one thing to patent an idea. Its another sitting on your a** all day until someone actually moves foward with a similar idea and produces a WORKING product. Then claim it as your own because you only on it on paper. Very lame.

I know patents have expiration dates, but it should be null if they dont market a actual working product within a certain period of time also. This is someone just squatting on an IDEA (which everyone can come up with), and letting someone else produce the work. Then sue the pants off them.

Very...very LAME!
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by dbloyd May 14, 2009 6:14 PM PDT
I wish I can sue them for sitting on their ass.
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by codynews May 14, 2009 6:38 PM PDT
I didn't know Shazam (or the makers of the app) was London based. Are there any American companies with a "Shazam" type product?
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by yacahuma May 14, 2009 7:34 PM PDT
Since ideas can be patented. I am going to create a new patent of an aircraft capable of flying using the earth magnetic field. This is so stupid. Having an idea does not mean you are intelligent enough to make it work. Kudos to shazam for creating an awesome piece of software. Tune Hunter are just a bunch of morons that are not smart enough to create something even close to shazam. F C K A S H.
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by Understarsidream May 14, 2009 8:17 PM PDT
You've got to be kidding.... a similar system has been in place for radio signals for 20 years. Each song broadcast over the radio has a unique signature and that signature is used in calculating payments due (ie ASCAP and BMI). What is going on at the patent office these days?
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by flickrz May 14, 2009 9:19 PM PDT
It is about time we should let Texas scede. :-P
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by T-Guy May 15, 2009 6:27 AM PDT
Oh c'mon people.... I thought it was commonly known that you can't just patent an idea. It's invention that's patented. You have to show that you know how to implement idea XYZ in order to get the patent.

And you don't have to have a product being marketed to get a patent, you just need the invention. There are tons of inventions out there that aren't being marketed or sold by the inventor for the simple reason that it doesn't make busines sense.

Also, there's some serious patent reform currently going through the legislation process to put the US patent system more in line with the rest of the world...for better or for worse.
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by QuetzalcoatlUSA May 15, 2009 7:57 AM PDT
I don't think Tune Hunter is based in Texas, just that the U.S. District Court for the Eastern Division of Texas is like patent infringement filing heaven because the courts seem to heavily favor plaintiffs - see

http://www.technologyreview.com/InfoTech-Software/wtr_16280,300,p1.html?PM=GO
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by emiliosic May 15, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
That court is dubiously famous for awarding trial on ridiculous patents, and juries in that reason seem to think that if a big company is being sued by a smaller one, they levy what I would consider abusive fines even when the 'big' company has merits over small companies (usually the small company is a 'patent holder' entity with no tangible assets).
What's amazing about this is that for patent litigation, you can shop around the court of choice. I don't think this would be possible with any othet 'real world' activity.
In the end, this just hurts american innovation. Just what we need in these days.
I guess more companies should move thir R&D to China or other countries that blatantly ignore intellectual property.
Unfortunately. The 'Injunction' means the companies cannot sell their products until proven innocent (yes, that right: IP laws allows an 'injunction' until proven innocent, and yes, this is America).
by ikramerica--2008 May 15, 2009 4:38 PM PDT
actually, shopping the courts is pretty common. the 9th district is often shopped to push liberal policies through the courts that can't be passed as law. so they find test "victims" in that district and elevate them, while people with similar cases in other districts are left out to dry.
by Gromit801 May 15, 2009 10:26 AM PDT
Patent squatting is the new Domain Name squatting.
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by xraydude May 15, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
Timber2005 has it right.

Tune Hunter would take the station, date, and time to figure out the song from the station's data at a later time. Anyone who has a radio capable of showing the data that is sent at the same time as the music can see instantly what song/artist is currently playing. That capability has been available on car radios long before 2005.
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by ikramerica--2008 May 15, 2009 4:39 PM PDT
That's RDS. Radio Data Service, and has been available for at least ten years in the USA, longer in other countries.
by faceless128 May 15, 2009 6:26 PM PDT
"Shazam is also available on many platforms not named in the lawsuit, including Research In Motion's BlackBerry, Facebook, and Android-based phones like T-Mobile's G1. "

it's also available on Windows Mobile, though only thru AT&T phones. (Unless you obtain it illegally).
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by KoenTanghe May 16, 2009 6:19 AM PDT
I didn't read the patent claims yet, but I assume this has to do more with the technical ways such a system is implemented, as patent disputes are usually not about the concept itself.
In any case there is clearly enough open evidence that Shazam already had such a system working in 2003:
- see this presentation of the ISMIR 2003 conference by Avery Wang:
http://ismir2003.ismir.net/presentations/Wang.ppt
- I actually was there at that moment and saw the system in action (he had to call to the UK at that time IIRC because they hadn't set it up with US phone numbers yet)
These are facts, no assumptions or maybe's. Facts.
Of course, there maybe other details going on, but it's clear that the general idea/concept was there already at least in 2003.
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by asorrell May 16, 2009 4:48 PM PDT
Eh this lawsuit is kinda far fetched. The patent was filed for listening to radios. Shazam does more than that. Also what about Verizon's V Cast Song ID? That does that same thing as Shazam.
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