April 9, 2009 12:27 PM PDT

Microsoft's marketing follows Apple's playbook

by Tom Krazit
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At some point, clever marketing can backfire.

It's been quite a run for Microsoft of late. After sleeping for nearly three years while Apple successfully bashed it every night on network television with the Mac vs. PC ad campaign, Microsoft has sobered up and taken the offensive over the last several months with a series of marketing messages comparing the relative prices of Macs and PCs made by Microsoft's partners.

Make what you will of Lauren and Giampaolo's sincerity, there's no denying that the ads have struck a nerve. For years, fanboys of various stripes have fought vicious battles armed with HTML tags over the proper way to compare the prices of Macs and PCs, and by tapping into that, Microsoft's Windows marketing team has shown it has a pulse.

But perhaps someone at Microsoft should start to wonder what kind of branding message they are implanting in the public mind.

Microsoft's public-relations squad e-mailed reporters Thursday morning with another cutesy message regarding the "Apple Tax," because next week is Tax Day. (Get it?) My colleague Ina Fried has all the details on the maze of twisty passages Microsoft followed to calculate the Apple Tax, but the gist is basically the same as you've heard before: Macs are expensive, PCs are cheaper, and in these troubled economic times, won't you do the right thing for yourself and your family and save your money?

It's a reasonable tactic: every marketing student learns about the Four Ps very early on in their education, and price is an essential weapon in any business plan. But in continuing to push this strategy, Microsoft is inadvertently reinforcing every single branding message Apple has ever attached to the Mac.

Virtually everyone who has ever used a personal computer has used Windows, meaning that almost every single computer user on the planet has developed an association with Windows. Most of those current associations still center on Windows 95 and Windows XP, which got the job done but also introduced the world to massive security threats, software engineer jargon, and the concept of hitting the "Start" button to stop using the computer.

That's what Apple has so successfully exploited with the smarmy Mac vs. PC campaign. The ads positioned the Mac as not only a superior computing experience to Windows, but a hipper one.

Microsoft has essentially conceded that point. As others have noted, Microsoft's shoppers don't ever wonder about the relative merits of Finder versus Windows Explorer in its latest series of ads. Instead, they focus completely on trying to make a hardware-to-hardware price comparison between various notebooks.

Yet, Microsoft is a software company. And software, not hardware, is where you form a lasting relationship with a computer.

With its current ad campaign, Microsoft--perhaps the most dominant consumer software company the planet has yet to produce--is doing nothing to repair the damage done to the Windows brand by the Mac vs. PC campaign. One could argue the campaign is right for the times, as the company has (wisely) pretty much given up on trying to sell Windows Vista, Windows 7 isn't ready yet, and any rational person is watching their money more closely than they did in 2008.

But when Windows 7 is ready, Microsoft will have a bit of a dilemma on its hands. It could find it hard to sell Windows as a better experience than Mac--even if it is--because it has spent so much time and money on convincing people that Windows PCs are a bargain.

Argue all you want about the Apple Tax--it doesn't matter. There has always been, and will always be, a sizable group of people willing to pay extra for certain consumer goods simply because they carry an extra level of status. For years, the companies that sell those goods have profited quite handsomely from delivering two services: a quality product, and a status symbol.

Under Steve Jobs, Apple has almost always sought to position the Mac as an antiestablishment high-end computer, a computer for those who "think different" and get excited by their computers. Price is not a consideration for those willing to think different.

The only thing the PC industry is excited about right now are Netbooks, which they fail to mention are eroding their margins even more than they have already been eroded after decades of price wars. And now Microsoft is once again driving the price message, training consumers to expect ever lower prices from their computer salesperson.

Apple, meanwhile, with the best margins in the personal computer industry and two highly profitable consumer electronics products funding its growth, has now had its marketing message of the last two years--Macs are better than PCs--amplified by its rival's message--PCs are cheaper than Macs.

While the world needs Kias, the world wants BMWs, and anyone old enough to grasp a dollar understands that most times, you get what you pay for. Consumer confidence will one day return, and in taking the "Apple Tax" campaign to new heights (or lows) Microsoft has not only strained the bounds of credulity, it has cemented the idea that Macs are an aspirational product.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by ronhawker April 9, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
Sorry Bubba but not everyone tech or not sees the world through the Apple elite glasses. I and many I have talked to thought the ads were very well put. And not all the world wants BMW. Some think they are overhyped like the Apple product. I guess if you think more of what others see you in or with is more important that comparable functionality then go on with your shallow life. In the end a Rolex is still just a watch and an Apple is still just a computer to use as a tool.

Why spend more that you need for a tool whether it be a computer, car or watch. Unless of course you need that to make you feel or look cool.
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by Perry_Clease April 9, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
You buy chintzy tools out of the dollar bin or you can buy good ones.
by seven7dust April 9, 2009 1:36 PM PDT
well Apple cater to user experience
whether it's Macs or iPhones or iPods
they go deep and try and bring the best experience in the service of the user
much like other Luxury brands

it's the way OSX is designed Apple goes to great lengths to make the software both Easy to use and stay out the way as much as possible unlike other OS'es !
add in all the nifty extras like Magsafe connectors magnetic latches slot load drives
and the great Customer service etc. etc.
Macs are Like Luxury Cars not in terms of computing power
but in terms of user experience

which is why we Mac users keep taking about BMWs etc.
you need to own a Mac to understand !
these are the reasons why I keep buying Macs not because they look Cool or as status symbols ! and they aren't really that expensive in the long run !

having said all this Macs are not for everybody IMO
cause Apple is not trying to be everything to everyone like Microsoft is !
which is why they have such a clean Product line-up of just 10-20 models !
by clintbradford April 9, 2009 1:54 PM PDT
>> ... overhyped like the Apple product ...

In late 2006, I purchased my very first Apple computer - a 17" MacBook Pro. That same quarter, I also purchased for my wife the most expensive home biz Gateway setup available, with its Windows Vista OS.

Any "Apple is overhyped" argument doesn't cut it in my household. The Vista machine and its disappearing sound drivers and system freezes and video problems cause us scores of hours of downtime and tech support calls and a repair job. My MacBook Pro? After being a Windows devotee for as long as it was on the market, my MBP has become my primary machine. I haven't "looked back" since I purchased it.

Clint Bradford
Mira Loma CA US
by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 2:29 PM PDT
@clintbradford

Any software that Microsoft didn't create is not there liability.

And thats the problem with consumers.

Someones Nvidias drivers fail they don't say damn Nvidia can't write drivers worth a **** they blame the OS which isn't fair.
by baconstang April 9, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
Tools don't make me look or feel cool.... they let me get a job done quickly and that makes me look good. For expendable or occasional use, I'll get them at the 'tool outlet'. But the ones I use a lot and that I depend on, I buy top brands (Bosch, DeWalt, Fluke, Xcelite etc). That's the reason I buy Macs.
by SlimGem April 9, 2009 7:36 PM PDT
"Someones Nvidias drivers fail they don't say damn Nvidia can't write drivers worth a **** they blame the OS which isn't fair."

People in the know DO blame Nvidia, the uninformed don't even know what a driver is. Macs use Nvidia and ATI drivers too. It's a package deal: You get the Mac with software and you get the PC with software. And both have to operate third party software. One of them does it more reliably than the other. People who have actually used a Mac and aren't just spouting the usual ignorance recognize this.
by jmmejzz April 10, 2009 7:54 AM PDT
Have you ever driven a BMW? To drive one is to want one, its definitely not about the cool. It's about a powerful engine, silky smooth transmission and when you turn the key, it starts and you know it will bring you home. =)
by zhansen3 April 10, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
Your opinion is just as valuable as anyone else's, but you shouldn't assume that Apple (or BMW) products are "overhyped." If you are satisfied with the quality that you get from your PC or your Kia, then that's your prerogative and you should enjoy the savings that you make in buying those products. However, you should understand that many people--myself included--are willing to pay more for a BMW or a Mac because of the exceptional experience we get from owning them, not just because we want to "feel or look cool" or because we care about what others see in us. We're not all "shallow" as you say we are. I don't think anyone would argue that a Kia can offer the same driving experience as a BMW.

To be honest, there seems to be some resentment in your post--as if you can't afford a Mac or a BMW yourself and are simply resorting to insulting everyone who owns one. Before you jump to these conclusions, you need to simply appreciate that there's nothing wrong with enjoying nice things when you can afford them.
by tuckbodi April 10, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
I saw Steve Ballmer driving a Yugo the other day. He was on his way to buying a new Sanyo TV set. Yeah, you're right, a car is a car and a TV is a TV. Good luck to him and those purchases just like good luck to your computer purchase.
by Seaspray0 April 12, 2009 7:04 AM PDT
@tuckbodi. While you're at it, you can laugh at my truck too. It was purchased as a "plain jane" truck with the vinyl bench seat, rubber mat floor, and standard transmission. I added the undercoating, spray in bedliner, paint sealant, and a radio. That's it. Funny thing is, I'm not laughing because it does what I need it to do and it does it very well.
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by umbrae April 9, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
"Instead, they focus completely on trying to make a hardware-to-hardware price comparison between various notebooks."

This is all the Mac vs PC ads did too. Thats why they are Mac vs PC and not OSX vs Windows. So MS is just following suit. In the end, Macs are just an overpriced PC. There is nothing different about them other than the OS since Macs went Intel other than you pay more for less.
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by umbrae April 9, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
Just to add that it is understandable that people may be willing to pay more, but its not what you call "smart shopping". I might like to have a BMW but if I spent all that extra money and find out it has the same parts as my beat up 10 year old chevy... lets just say I would feel like an idiot.
by ewelch April 9, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
Dude, in case you didn't notice, they are not the same parts when you are talking about a $2,000 Mac laptop and a $500 PC laptop. The same parts go into the $2,000 PC laptop. So yeah, the hardware is equivalent. But don't be telling me your Honda Fit can beat my Porsche in the quarter mile (I wish I had a Porsche.) unless you modified that Honda more than a little bit.

And no duh Sherlock, it's the OS. Why didn't anyone think to bring up this point before? /sarcasm

That's the main thing that makes a Mac a Mac. When the hardware was different, that's what made them REALLY different, and today it's still what makes Macs different. That the OS is tuned to the hardware is but one feature that benefits Macs. But in the end, the real differentiator of a Mac vs a PC is the OS and what it lets you do.

To say Macs are just overpriced PCs is like saying Apple pie is just overpriced apples sans peels.
by davidwb April 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT
" "Instead, they focus completely on trying to make a hardware-to-hardware price comparison between various notebooks."

This is all the Mac vs PC ads did too. "

Wrong - the Mac vs PC ads highlighted the difference between the Mac experience and the Windows experience. Remember the ad with the Japanese girl coming out representing a camera that could connect to the Mac without trouble? Remember the networking ad? Remember the ad focusing on the neat things iLife can do? These aren't hardware ads, they are usability ads and usability comes from the OS - or in the case of Windows, often fails to come from the OS
by ewsachse April 9, 2009 1:23 PM PDT
Hey ewelch

If you did not waste so much money on those Macs, then maybe you could own a Porsche. Besides, comparing a hipster Mac to a serious sports car like a Porsche is an insult. A Mac is more like a WV Beetle.

Hizzah!
by ewsachse April 9, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
Hey davidwb

Have you not seen the Windows commercial where the 5 year old girl uploads a picture of her fish from her camera and then emails it to her parents? She is using Windows Picture Gallery and Vista Mail for that task.

That sure looks like a demonstration of the software.

[Editor's note: Personal attack removed]
by seven7dust April 9, 2009 1:48 PM PDT
wat I deal with everyday is the O.S and software
the hardware could be Intel,AMD,Nvidia or anything else
but in the end the software is wat we as users deal with the hardware matters little

Why do you think Apple is so protective of it's Software not only in Macs but also in iPhones and other products etc.
it's because software is the Real Killer feature in any Device !

and this the single reason why Macs are priced Higher than Pcs
the O.S and software are a luxury compared to Windows ! atleast IMO !
by tzx4 April 9, 2009 1:57 PM PDT
I plead ignorance here on this. I have not wonked out enough to look into the details, but this argument that "the hardware is the same under the skin" seems to be perilously simplistic. Cannot an OEM specify cheap and inferior parts, or quality and up to date parts? And does not an OEM specify some fairly important things like the architecture of the internal components that link all this stuff together?
by trewbux April 9, 2009 2:07 PM PDT
I see one major flaw in Microsoft's "Apple tax" argument- If the PC is indeed a better product at a cheaper price, then why has Apple's market share (and attention from MS) been steadily growing? Free market economics would indicate that Macs should have been driven out of the marketplace ages ago by their PC competition if all people cared about was the hardware under the hood - unless, that is, there really is inherent added value to their product that justifies the higher price point, and consumers see it. That added value is exactly the OS and user experience - I fail to believe that Apple's PR is so good they can convince so many to by an inferior product at a higher price simply based on a "coolness factor"
by BOTNET April 9, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
I'm always confused as hell with MAC and their RED-YELLOW-GREEN dots, what the heck? Why don't you show symbols for minimize-maximize-close as any other OS (not just Windows).

And whats up with the one-button-mouse?
by y2j420 April 9, 2009 2:37 PM PDT
Trewbux,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Apple's sale fell 16% in February while PC's rose 22%...hmmm, maybe the idea that paying a premium for the same parts has become more evident due to the recession...

And if you open up the inside of an Apple computer...you will not find Apple parts...you will find the same parts that you can find in a Dell, HP, or Toshiba machine...

No matter what Steve Jobs tells you..
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by Vegaman_Dan April 9, 2009 12:58 PM PDT
These ads make an event of Thursdays now- people waiting for the next ad to appear and see what they've done now. Keep up a regular release schedule (I think 2 weeks is more realistic) and you might see traction.

Apple has been oddly quiet for months now- even their own Mac vs PC ads dropped off the planet just after New Year's. Not sure what is going on there.
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by calpundit April 9, 2009 2:14 PM PDT
If you think Apple has been "oddly quiet" then you haven't been near a TV much in the last few months. For every MS commercial, I've seen at least 5 iPhone spots -- and in primo programming and time slots.

They're not quiet -- just targeting a different leg of the stool right now.
by Sporlo April 9, 2009 8:47 PM PDT
what calpundit said. I've seen tons of iPhone ads lately. I'm probably noticing this simply because I like Apple, but think about it, as soon as Apple quits a certain line of ads, Microsoft counters AFTER it's over, while Apple strengthens a whole new line (the line itself is old, but they're picking up the pace).

Apple seems to always get there first. (say what you want, I know this is a very nice flame war trigger phrase). Sure, in a little bit their technology might be just like everyone else's, but Apple got the first round of customers and got to present the first impression on consumers.
by anilsudh April 9, 2009 9:31 PM PDT
Apple is in a completely different league. PC are for cheap people. Plus Microsoft is history. Apple and Google are the future.
by krae84 April 9, 2009 11:01 PM PDT
The Mac ads running in 2009 have been the "Greenest family of notebooks" campaign..

And of course, the iPhone ads..
by slickuser April 9, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
I'm not surprised. some bunch of fools at MS trying to be smart but keeping
getting shot in the foot.

they should just give up and start selling Windows for $19.99. then they can argue
that they are cheaper and windows PCs are bargain! Thats a right price for crapware.

people who keep say MACs are overpriced are just plain ignorant!
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by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 2:32 PM PDT
Is the MAC os worth the price premium? Think about it is it?

What do you get out of the deal a OS that doesn't get viruses?
Thats about the only benefit I see.

"It just works" My ass it just works if it just works they wouldn't need a whole site section dedicated to problems would they?

My Acer just works too its going on 2 years now and I haven't seen one crash out of this thing.
by seven7dust April 10, 2009 3:35 PM PDT
@monkeyfun14
not just a OS that doesn't get viruses or spyware
it's so much more {thats only a added bonus}

the best way to describe it is
is like comparing a pair of Klipsch speakers to a LG set
they both do the same thing but one does it better and with more
flair and efficiency !
by April 9, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
I don't like Apples marketing because it is so pretentious. The last thing I want is a consumer electronics company (and their army of fanboys) telling me how cool their are and how dumb the other guy is. If your product is good, talk about that. Don't take cheap jabs at people. To me it just comes off as elitism
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by tm_anon April 9, 2009 3:18 PM PDT
Haven't seen Apple taking cheap jabs so much as pointing out the obvious. That Vista had problems and was tending towards advertisement more than fixing those problems (this was true at the time), that most laptops at the time didn't come with integrated webcams, that Windows has problems with viruses are all areas which were touched on in those ads and all areas which are true and which pointed out differences between PC and Mac. Notice there are both software AND hardware items?

Now we get into this series of ads from MS. So far, I've seen one girl who walks in and out of an Apple store so fast I'd think she just realized it was the wrong store and then turned around and walked out rather than looking at anything and I've seen one guy who proves how ignorant he is by not even looking at the software for a Mac before deciding it's not what he wants. He wouldn't even touch the hardware.

Tell me again, what's your definition of elitism? It's obviously different than mine if you call Apple elitist from their ads and aren't willing to call MS the same.
by ralphmcmac April 9, 2009 3:44 PM PDT
Elitism! You Windows fanboys have been notorious for being 'Elitist' not just before the Macs Market resurgence but since it as well. In fact not too long ago in the distant past Windows super users looked upon the rest of us with such disdain and stated that if you were unable carry out certain functions on a PC you should not be allowed to own one!
by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
@tm_anon

The only people who had issues were people pushing it with really old hardware I got my PC with Vista before sp1 and it ran fine. No bugs.
by Sporlo April 9, 2009 8:56 PM PDT
I think their pretentiousness is their GOAL. The company of Apple itself is not exactly friendly (this is apart from their goods/services, I'm talking about the thing as a whole). And people keep mentioning elitism. But by definition, doesn't every company want to be elite? And then also by definition, wouldn't you want to buy from an elite company if it's the best? That's what all the advertising is for. All it is is "I'm the best, buy me." Microsoft says "I'm the best in terms of price, buy me, how could you be so stupid as to waste your money on a Mac?" Apple says "I'm the best in terms of user experience, buy me, how could you be so stupid as to waste your money on a PC?"

What's the difference?
by josmor April 9, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
100% agree! Just to add my opinion of why is important for Microsoft to sell "hardware". I think there are 2 reasons:
The first one is because OEM is the most effective way to push new sales without investing hard on communicating with thousands of partners, etc.
The second one is because they want to say "PCs and Macs have the same components inside" as Hyunday has Mitsubishi engines (I'm not sure if that is true but is valid for making the case).

Don't forget that MSFT is now pushing a lot on OEM, even the new Windows Server Foundation is a new thing coming soon and available only for OEM.

I miss the days when Microsoft was worried on adding value to their products. Looks to me now that they transformed into a retail business.
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by chabig83 April 9, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
"There is nothing different about them other than the OS ..."

You don't get it. The OS "is" the computer. And having a better OS makes all the difference.
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by seven7dust April 9, 2009 1:50 PM PDT
exactly !!!
by BOTNET April 9, 2009 2:26 PM PDT
Why do quite a lot of MAC users use boot camp if MAC OS is so great?

Every OS has it's own strong and weak parts. There is no BETTER in this case, you like MAC, I like WINDOWS. The point is that if you put the same hardware side by side and say that the price difference is OS price, then MAC OS costs $400+
by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 2:35 PM PDT
Better is a opinion not a fact whats better for you may not be better for someone else.

MS doesn't care if you use a mac because 80% of the users keep a windows installation in boot camp and buy office.
Its not sticking it to the man buying mac if your still going to buy there software.
MSFT still gets their licensing fee and thats all they truly care about.
by Perry_Clease April 9, 2009 6:15 PM PDT
"by BOTNET April 9, 2009 2:26 PM PDT
Why do quite a lot of MAC users use boot camp if MAC OS is so great? "

Do you have some accurate figures as to exactly how many Mac (not MAC) users run Windows under BootCamp or Parallels?
by Seaspray0 April 12, 2009 6:44 AM PDT
There's more than just the OS. A computer isn't very useful unless you can get 3rd party applications to do the other things you want a computer to do. Microsoft does hold that advantage. I'd give osx second place over linux. As for linux, yes you can find apps but alot of them are not of the same caliber as those written by developers who get paid to write for windows and osx. The home environment is also quite different from a business environment. OSX will not compete well against windows here where microsoft offers top to bottom solutions capable of running the largest of companies. In business, I'd give linux second place over osx. For the home environment... I'll stick to the concept that an individual should get what they think is best for them.
by pithenumber April 13, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
if the OS is the computer, I can give you one of those 7inch netbooks with the 900MHz celerons, hack Mac OS onto it and tell you to use it for photoshop and you would not utter a single word of complaint

didn't think so
by NewsReader_ April 9, 2009 1:24 PM PDT
What is the point of this article???

Microsoft's latest ad campaign focuses on the price of PC's vs. Macs. This is an extremely relevant argument, especially given the current economic environment. I am not sure why you are questioning this tactic.

I also completely disagree with your statement that the Windows brand has been damaged by those Apple commercials. Despite all of the outrageous and humorous claims made over the past 2 years, Apple's market share hasn't broken 10% yet and has grown at a slower rate than overall PC sales. Meanwhile Netbooks running Windows are flying off of the shelves and Vista adoption is growing faster than Macs. Windows 7 will grow faster than all three on PC's, laptops, and Netbooks.

The only thing Apple has accomplished is to make Microsoft step up their game and make a better product with Windows 7. They have done a much better job with the iPhone. Why don't you concentrate on that instead of continuing to bring up this pointless discussion about Macs showing any signs of taking over the desktop because it is not going to happen.
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by Sporlo April 9, 2009 9:15 PM PDT
The point of the article is that the author believes that Microsoft's marketing follows Apple's playbook. And it seems the economy is starting to turn up as of late. Sure, it'll still be a while till it's all better, but I think a much better time for these ads would be 1.5 years ago roughly. Right as people started panicking. After seeing these ads, how could you POSSIBLY afford a Mac?

And why should Microsoft need Apple to prompt it to "step up their game"? Are you admitting Microsoft is behind? You should ALWAYS be stepping up your game, not just when a company starts yelling at you.
It reminds me of the people in track/x-country who would walk when no coach could see them, then start jogging whenever they got caught.

And don't throw market share at people, everyone does (and for that matter specific statistics). You could debate with so many different numbers all telling different things you would just be running in circles between computers. Vista adoption growth makes sense. It'd probably be similar to an exponential graph. Slow to catch on, but as more people have it, more people will want it; that's exponential. Then it'll slow down. EVERYTHING goes through that cycle. Things will grow fast one moment, and slower the next. I really don't care at all for growth statistics. So what if Apple's or Microsoft's market share is growing or falling. Too often it changes too soon.
by anilsudh April 9, 2009 9:37 PM PDT
Show the numbers to prove your stupid claims.
by msjonker April 9, 2009 1:30 PM PDT
I fail to see how Microsoft is conceding that Macs are the "superior computing experience," which is a pretty vague term.

If you think "hipper/more visually appealing"="superior computing experience", then sure Macs may be better in that aspect, I guess.
I, however, define "superior computing experience" as being able to do more with the platform, and Windows beats out Macs hands down.

I'm also sick of the car brand analogy, it doesn't relate very well.
What if I want to run AutoCAD on a Mac? Wait, you can't, because Macs don't run AutoCAD. Isn't that like the BMW not being able to travel to Chicago, but the Kia can?
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by danielwsmithee April 9, 2009 2:02 PM PDT
Well the same can be said of numerous Mac only applications say for example Final Cut, Logic etc. There is always an alternative i.e. ArchiCAD.
by ralphmcmac April 9, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
I suggest you view the ads again and hopefully you'll soon get the idea. As for running Autocad, well it's simple really. Create a Windows partition via Boot Camp, install the Windows OS, now install any Windows apps you like including Autocad. Now you're Mac is running as many apps as a PC.

As for the car comparison. BMW makes superior vehicles and this quality is not just indicative in the drive, the EMS, but also the parts, which goes to a significant degree to explain why they have an exceptional reliability record even in the used car Market.

Cheap in no way indicates value at all. Never has done.
by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 6:53 PM PDT
@ralph

You still bought a Windows license MS still got paid so what the hell is the difference?
by OptimusWang April 10, 2009 5:56 AM PDT
"I, however, define "superior computing experience" as being able to do more with the platform, and Windows beats out Macs hands down"

You have absolutely no idea what it means when they say OSX is based on a *nix platform, do you?
by pithenumber April 13, 2009 1:33 PM PDT
@ralph
you resort to using Windows, how nice

my Toyota is supposedly more reliable than your BMW
there are hundreds of studies that prove this
isn't Scion, Toyota budget brand (if that is even possible) in the top 5 for reliability?

@daniel
"There is always an alternative"
isn't that what all the Linux guys have been trying to point out
or what all the Windows fanboys (if there are any) say when someone brings up the iLife argument

and the response by the people defending is: the alternatives aren't as good
by Mr. Dee April 9, 2009 1:33 PM PDT
Why we are so obsessed with this PC called a Mac which you still end up having to install Windows on to really do something on. OS X is just a pig with lipstick. There, I said it!
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by Perry_Clease April 9, 2009 1:41 PM PDT
Why are you obsessed with the Mac if you don't like them, you sure hang around them a lot.
by seven7dust April 9, 2009 1:52 PM PDT
no that title would go to vista !
by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 2:38 PM PDT
@seven

Wanna bet my vista"pig with lipstick"

Will whoop your macs ass in performance tests down the block?
by seven7dust April 10, 2009 3:37 PM PDT
@monkeyfun14
depends on the benchmarks you choose !
when it comes to multi-tasking Vista stinks
and benchmarks aren't everything
I'd rather have a Better designed O.S
that allows me to do things in half the no. of steps !
by pithenumber April 13, 2009 1:40 PM PDT
@77dust
you overstated the importance of the said benchmark
the test where Macs are good at is "Multimedia Multitasking"
it is converting a movie to a format usable with an iPod with Quicktime happening while iTunes is trying to convert mp3 to aac
both are pieces of Apple software (which suck in Windows) and this situation isn't exactly common in real life either
by Maccess April 16, 2009 2:05 AM PDT
That's probably Correct. Nice lipstick (Mac OS X) on a fantastic pig (Mach Kernel/Darwin).

Much better than the whole hog, which is what monolihic OSs are.
by rnaoncfixd April 9, 2009 1:43 PM PDT
This is going to seem incredibly random, but does anyone remember that geometric cartoon about the line falling in love with the circle?
For those that do, PC's are very much the squiggly doodle that's great, fun, and cheap at first. The line is very much like the Mac where in it's an experience that while it may take some time to learn, ends up creating a much more grand experience.
For everyone else that didn't see that cartoon, continue on, I must be high or something.
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by ppgreat April 9, 2009 6:09 PM PDT
Wow, a Chuck Jones reference in a Mac/PC discussion. Gotta love it!
by tzx4 April 9, 2009 1:48 PM PDT
I don't consider my macbook a status symbol. I chose to buy because in my best judgement, it presents overall the best computer experience. My decision is also made in order not to support a predatory and outlaw mega-billion dollar monopoly. Additionally, in my limited experience, everyone I know with computers, those with MS are not happy with them. Those with Apple actually like using them.
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by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 2:39 PM PDT
Microsoft predatory?

What are they in allyways now? "Buy Windows or i'll blow your effing brains out!"
by nsmoly April 9, 2009 1:48 PM PDT
This is a pretty pointless article --- not everyone in the world is driving BMW and buying expensive watches. In fact, the market is way bigger for the low end goods compared to expensive ones. Also, when Win7 is out it will be even worse for Apple -- PCs are cheaper and will run a superior OS (which Win7 is compared to MacOS). So what would you buy? No brainer to me.

Microsoft is trying to cater to 90% of the audience, because the total purchasing power of 90% is much bigger compared to "elite niche" (in Apple words) audience. This should also be somewhere in those "marketing books" that you mentioned. Apple will never be the mainstream computer if they don't change the way they approach things... (same is applicable to iPhone by the way).
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by Tom Krazit April 9, 2009 2:08 PM PDT
Apple isn't trying to be the mainstream computer. They tried in the 1980s, and lost.

For all who wondered, that is the point of the article: Apple isn't trying to gain huge amounts of market share in the PC/Mac arena. It would be an almost impossible undertaking to even get 20 percent of the overall PC market; they'd have to introduce a ton of new models, slash prices (and therefore profits), and basically grow 20 percent a quarter for the next five years. It's just not going to happen.

So they are content to be in a profitable niche while they go after the next big wave in computing: mobile. By reinforcing the idea that PCs are the bargain alternative, Microsoft is letting Apple keep that profitable spot rather than trying to win it and put Apple on the defensive.
by Sporlo April 9, 2009 9:22 PM PDT
Nice, Tom. Your points seem to be the most argued ones on this site. Seems most people just don't understand each company's goals and methods.

nsmoly: don't focus on metaphors, they almost never work. And also, Windows 7 isn't out yet, talking about it now is irrelevant. We're talking about the ads NOW. When Windows 7 comes out, Microsoft can advertise it and we can compare it to OS X.
by nixermac April 10, 2009 5:14 PM PDT
I wonder if any version of windows can do this in a single line: for i in `find . -type f -name my_great_file.\* | grep -v .doc`; do echo "$i" >> ~/Desktop/my_great_list.txt; done; cd ~/Desktop; cat my_great_list.txt; md5 mygreat_list.txt

the above command does the following in one single sweep:
1. Searches my current directory path recursively for all "files" named my_great_file.* and filters out the .doc files (I don't want them.
2. Sends the output to another file and displays the output file contents
3. Performs a checksum of the output file.

I have given an example of a shell script which performs multiple tasks in one single sweep. I have tried doing this on Windows and get frustrated. There is no shel interface and you have to go clicking to do things.

I do not say that I could not do the above on a cheap PC with Ubuntu installed. I can and I do. I use Linux too. Ubuntu beats the hell out of MS in terms of power and price. I use the Mac for elegance and here is a list for other things:

1. The best way to play my movies (Front Row)
2. iWorks - can't explain what you are missing
3. Time Machine - have you heard of painless backup and recovery
4. Parental Control - which means what it says. My child gets limited hours on the comp, I get the logs, and control what sites and content is visible.
5. XCode - developer tools for free and it is pro grade.
6. iLife - iPhoto rocks, iMovie (painless movie edits), GarageBand - I am a musician now, iDVD - pro level DVD authoring
7. perl, php, svn (version control) and ports (i am sure a Winders guy never herd of it).
8. the list can go on for me

I am sure you would have a tome to write if you wanted but i am happy with what I have.

I sure appreciate that you use what you like and I use what I love.
by Dan7637 April 9, 2009 1:49 PM PDT
if youre too cheap then buy a pc if you want quality then buy mac, microsoft justs has its head up its @$$ and made itself look even dumber
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by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 2:41 PM PDT
I can find quality pc vendors to and I can find pc's that look alot better then macs.

I love how all the MAC fanboys have the assumption that anything that isn't made by Apple is falling apart.
by BOTNET April 10, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
Does apple make 10'' netbook which lasts 11 hours on battery? No, the smallest they make 13'' overpriced notebook. This is not about Microsoft, but PCs in general, Apple is overpriced and really not cool anymore.
by nixermac April 10, 2009 5:16 PM PDT
@ BOTNET

Apple makes a small computer on the go called iPhone. I believe you have never used one. :)
by sharmajunior April 11, 2009 2:46 PM PDT
@ nixermac

a small computer that is incapable of opening an attachment.
by nixermac April 12, 2009 11:23 AM PDT
@sharmajunior
What kind attachments dude. ever try opening a doc, xls, pdf, jpeg. tell me. i use iphone to read all these stuff and more. you want to edit them. head to the App Store. spend a little $ or do i say rupees. wait i forgot in india people do not buy software. they take it.
by sharmajunior April 12, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
@ nixermac

Yes, indeed. I have a few professional Mac developers who are currently developing an imaging software for the iPhone. During the recent outage at AT&T in California, they had to use their iPhones to do most of the communications. Guess what ,they couldn't open any doc or xls file on it. I personally haven't looked into why not but they tried many times and even had a chat with Apple tech over the phone but still couldn't open them.

Now since we have the internet restored, the attachments open just fine on a regular PC and are regular documents that I believe an iPhone should be able to open.

One more thing, what gives you the assumption that I am Indian? If its the screen name. Then there isn't a bigger idiot than you. You have no idea as to why I have chosen this screename and you just simply imply that I am something that I am not.

And about you insulting any country. First look into the economic condition of that country, look up exchange rates and then calculate whether something is affordable for those people according to the salaries they get. In Russia, I have seen original copies of Windows (XP and Vista) go for around 2000 to 3000 roubles and a original OSX go for 3500 roubles which is about half or more than half the price in case of windows. I know they are offical copies because I confirmed my registration over the phone with Apple and microsoft as I do not buy pirated software.

You to me sound like a White Supremacist, just like the one who shot 4 Americans in Pittsburgh.
by Argyll April 9, 2009 2:05 PM PDT
Amen!
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by TX-Sunset April 9, 2009 2:07 PM PDT
Seems like all CNet is hiring now are Mac fanboys to write their articles. The feeling I get from the MS ads are there is more variety with PCs. They show these people in the store looking at various models and features. Where as, there is only one mac to pick from and one color. Even Alienware is smart enough to have a few different models available.

And they still run their Vista commercials as well for all those that claim MS has abandonded Vista. All those commercials with little kids showing how easy Vista is.

I use Vista on my Home PC and it runs great. I have no crashes, the system boots up faster then my Boss's wife's iMac and it shuts down in less then 10 seconds. It is sad everyone belives in the Mac Propaganda. I know people who say they do not want Vista because of what they have "heard". I tell people, Don't knock it til you try it.. It is a good, stable operating system that can outperform any Mac any time and has a ton more software and games available.

And for those that say Macs are not overpriced? Price the parts yourself. See how much Mac charges you for that memory upgrade and then go to Crucial.com and check the prices there....And Crucial is by no means cheap themselves, but they will blow away any price Apple gives you.
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by monkeyfun14 April 9, 2009 2:42 PM PDT
Before someone mentions the OS on a Mac

Not having viruses is not worth $500
by baconstang April 9, 2009 3:35 PM PDT
I just doubled the memory on my iMac for $50. The cards from the iMac went into my Mac Book, doubling it's memory. So that $50 went pretty far on my Macs. Not having viruses worth $500? Ask the IT guy at a company that had clean up dozens/hundreds of PCs.
by tm_anon April 9, 2009 5:10 PM PDT
Used Vista for less than 5 minutes. I didn't boot it up and I didn't turn it off. I was just looking at some photographs on the built in programs for Vista. Vista lost the photos 4 times.

This was the first and only time I will every use Vista. The laptop it was installed on is very nice, good keyboard, a bit too heavy for what it was originally designed to be (laptops should be portable). The problem has never really been the hardware with Windows. I'm using my old hardware with Linux right now and it runs beautifully. I used Windows with the same hardware and it ran decent with a lot of work.

I'm pretty sure if I'd done some work on that computer, set it up properly, made sure everything was running smoothly, it wouldn't have lost the photos. That's the whole point though, I shouldn't have to do all that work for the OS, it should work for me. OS X works for most who buy it, Ubuntu works beautifully for me. Vista didn't work so well for a large amount of people.

It's great that Vista doesn't crash for you and that it boots up faster than your Boss' wifes iMac. How old is her iMac, by the way? Is she still happy with it? Can she still do every last thing she's ever wanted to do with it? Those are the true tests of an OS, making the consumer content.
by Sporlo April 9, 2009 9:26 PM PDT
If you look very closely at what each type of fanboy is saying, Apple and Microsoft, you'll see that we're all remarkably similar. We just have different labels, and therefore impressions and prejudices that come with them. But we're really all doing the same exact thing to each other, just in slightly different ways.
by Argyll April 9, 2009 2:07 PM PDT
Microsoft's new ads are only showing that people with a champagne budget should have a beer taste.
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by seven7dust April 9, 2009 2:28 PM PDT
Actually thx to these ads I've managed to switch a few people to Macs and that to mostly through the internet !
So far thats 6 People and thy all started of bashing Macs
a few arguments later !
all I did was pointed them to a few youtube Videos
and ask them about their Windows Experiences
and Boom they were convinced !
Some of them went all out and even bought iMacs and Macbook Pros even though I suggested Mac minis and used powerbooks !
and so far all of them are loving their new Computers !

the only reason for Apple's low marketshare IMO is ignorance !
So by bringing Apple's name into the picture
MS is doing Apple's job for them !

So this article is dead on atleast in my experience
and thx Microsoft for being as clueless as usual !
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by Sporlo April 9, 2009 9:28 PM PDT
you just slightly summarized the article, congrats. But don't talk about market share, it's irrelevant, as the two companies have two entirely different goals.
by jvargas92 April 9, 2009 2:36 PM PDT
The benefits to the Mac platform ? standardized hardware and OS custom-fit for the hardware specific ? are areas that everyone acknowledges as Apple aving the upper hand. Dismissing Apple products as "overpriced" is being narrow-minded. Do they cost more? Yes. Are they better in terms of quality? Sometimes yes, but depends on the model and reseller. Are there other computers out there that are faster, more customizable? Yes. But Apple has made their focus making computing easier. It is arguably much easier to manage and maintain a Mac than it is a PC. Lower threat of viruses, malware are one area, but also ease of use, built in features and a mature operating system. Not everyone who buys a Mac does so out of a shallow desire to acquire an aura of "coolness"; and not everyone who buys a PC is a simpleton with no creative genes. People choose their computers because of their needs, experience and familiarity. A lot of people have come to own Macintoshes after finding that they simplified their daily computer tasks/needs and worked to make their lifestyles more fun and easier to integrate into their digital lives. If you doubt that then take note of how the PC world copies many of Apple's innovations in their products, whether it's the slim profile of the MacBook Air, the use of the applications "Dock" in OS X, the touch pad gestures, the integrated mini-cam in the MacBooks and iMacs or the success of iTunes and it's music/app store.
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by FuturamaFan April 10, 2009 7:15 AM PDT
Actually OSX is POSIX complaint. Same as Linux and Unix. So the OS is standardized too. With some work you can port just about any Linux or Unix App to the Mac. Can't do that with Windows. But why not? I don't see why MS is so opposed to standards. Even IE, what should be one of their most nimble and flexible products, because they release it for free, is far far behind in standards. Not that all standards are good, but they do provide some constraints that allow you to be more creative in other areas, freeing you to focus on other things than just getting something else to work.
by dpsavy April 9, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
I guess in the end it all comes down to what your needs are. If you need to be coolest guy with the biggest toys than that?s what you buy, me I would prefer to spend the money on other things like my family but that?s just me. If you can?t seem to avoid plaguing your computer with viruses because of your browsing habits or whatever; you get the product that has the least risk. If you have to provide a computing environment for hundreds or thousands of people, you buy the product that provides the right functionality at the lowest cost. Which in the end may be neither a PC or a Mac but the whole my daddy can beat up your daddy campaign just seems a little silly to me.
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by Sporlo April 9, 2009 9:32 PM PDT
RIGHT THERE--> it all comes down to what your needs are.

People love to compare the two company's products, but ultimately, much of the arguments don't relate to some people. Each trait will have a different appeal to each and every individual. Compare products with 1 other person, not a huge group. Otherwise you just get a huge gigantic jumbled mass of arguments of what's better and worse. Then you can't even compare them anymore, there's too much information.
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