December 18, 2008 4:03 PM PST

Apple offers advice on 10.5.6 upgrade problems

by Tom Krazit
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If the Mac OS X 10.5.6 update caused you problems earlier this week, try, try again.

(Credit: Apple)

Apple has acknowledged an issue encountered by some Leopard users trying to install the company's latest update released Monday.

In a support document posted to its site, Apple described an issue in which a Mac would hang on a "Configuring installation" window when trying to install Mac OS X 10.5.6. That was apparently the result of an incomplete update getting seeded into the Software Update process, and Mac OS X will freak out if it tries to install a partially downloaded update.

Apple recommends that if you encounter this problem, or have already, that you force Software Update to quit, remove the partial update from your library, and re-download the update. If you chose to download the standalone update from Apple's site rather than the combo update, you might also have had this problem; when in doubt, choose the combo update option.

If you've had a separate problem in trying to install the update, check out our sister site MacFixIt for tips and troubleshooting guidelines.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by robvme December 18, 2008 4:42 PM PST
Hi I'm Apple, and I'm PC....guess you aren't so perfect afterall....
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by another_cissp December 18, 2008 5:05 PM PST
you better watch it, the church of apple will put a hit out on you.
by nopinktoday December 18, 2008 5:30 PM PST
Pratically 2 hours and a half, still no AppleRocks or Penguisto comment! Is it a good time to freak out?
by gerrrg December 18, 2008 11:54 PM PST
According to the Book of Job, "Ye who smite the Apple Lord shall be punished by no less than 50 lashings and a hardware lock on your computer."

haha, j/k.

Well, so much for pushing transparent updates.
by  Brian December 19, 2008 9:13 AM PST
Actually, we are superior -- thank you.
by Mark_Anderson December 22, 2008 5:25 AM PST
No, Brian, you just think you are.

Now bag my groceries please.
by shycelticwitch December 22, 2008 7:08 AM PST
Hi PC, I am an Apple. Your face is blue... are you ok? Ohhh I see, you are locked out of your brain. Sorry about that. Gotta watch those system updates...
by Mark_Anderson December 22, 2008 8:26 AM PST
What?
by Mr. Dee December 18, 2008 5:17 PM PST
AppleRocks and the rest of the fruit basket Mac's are in the toilet right now, that's why they can't comment. LOL! Another reason why Vista rocks!

I even read on PC Magazine where users have complained on Apple's discussion board that OS Updates have been known to kill systems. The 10.5.6 update has already destroyed a few MacBook Pro logic boards. And they call it the worlds most advanced operating system.
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by Lerianis December 18, 2008 8:22 PM PST
I don't think the update should have destroyed a motherboard.... that just doesn't sound correct. The last time I heard that was with a guy who said that XP SP2 killed his motherboard, I went into his computer...... found a PHYSICAL fault with it - a capacitor had melted down into gunk! That wasn't XP's fault, that was just old motherboard.
by derilium December 18, 2008 9:07 PM PST
Vista fails. XP FTW.

Vista's too buggy.. the freespace on my HD fluctuates between 20GB to 40GB.. that's up to 20GB of cache/trash the Vista creates on my computer.
by  Brian December 19, 2008 9:14 AM PST
Why are you attacking AppleRocks, Mr. Dee ???

"The posting of"..."personal attacks is prohibited".
by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 9:27 AM PST
by Mr. Dee December 18, 2008 5:17 PM PST
AppleRocks and the rest of the fruit basket Mac's are in the toilet right now, that's why they can't comment. LOL! Another reason why Vista rocks!
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Wow, you really have to stretch for reasons to like fista.

Point us to the article you claim to have read regarding Apple's updates killing systems. My guess is you can't - because such an article doesn't exist. If you want any credibility whatsoever, prove me wrong. Otherwise maybe you should have your mommy wipe your nose for you before it drips on her keyboard.
by Mr. Dee December 19, 2008 10:05 AM PST
Dalkoria, here is your proof:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2337151,00.asp

10.5.6 is destroying machines, accept it, reality stings, your platform is not that great.
by Mark_Anderson December 22, 2008 5:25 AM PST
You know, you would think that after six service packs Apple would have got it right.
by JuanGuapo December 18, 2008 5:26 PM PST
Clearly you guys aren't running Windows Vista.... go to youtube.com and type in "Vista BSOD" or "Vista Crash" or my favorite "Vista error messages". It's good entertainment, trust me.

We run Vista on our iMac via VMware and it's the funniest version of Windows I've ever used. For instance, when I open certain things in the control panel, it asks me if I'm sure I want to...how cute :) Just

As far as 10.5.6, it installed fine on all three of our Macs (current-gen iMac, and two last-gen Macbooks). Seriously, I don't get why people were having problems with it and we run every bit of software and peripheral imagineable (esp. on the iMac); wacom tablet, VMware, Photoshop, scanner, etc.

Until the subsequent reboot after installing 10.5.6, I can't remember the last time I restarted our iMac; I believe the last reboot was in October when I upgraded the ram to 4GB from the stock 2GB.... I'd love to see an XP and/or Vista machine go more than two days without a reboot.
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by gp2792 December 18, 2008 5:44 PM PST
then you aren't installing updates...seems to me that i bounce this mac once a week. once every 2 weeks at a minimum. and that's just for updates. Not mentioning the spinning color wheel that I get to stare at all day until I reboot...
by finalfanoffkey December 18, 2008 5:58 PM PST
Clearly you are not running Mac OS. Go to System Preference and click Accounts, and click that funny lock, how cute is the thing pop up in front of me. Wait, is that a Authentication dialog? It even wants me to type a user account and password even I am the admin. In vista, that's just one click. How easy is the Mac OS!

Just go to google "MacOS BOSD" or just search in Apple forum... Oh, wait again. There is nothing in Apple forum. There must be no such thing for Mac. OR apple just deleted everything that it doesn't want people to see? How charm is the apple care.

My vista boxes are on 24x7. It only need to restart when there is patching coming in or new application install requires restart which doesn't happen often. I won't say the same thing for XP though. We shutdown Macs every time we are done the work. There is really nothing can be played with on those boring machines anyways.
by ferretboy88 December 18, 2008 6:18 PM PST
I'm running Vista 64 bit with 8GB of ram on my home built computer with 2 graphics cards that blows away any Apple computer not even 25% of the price of a high end Apple rig.
by i_am_still_wade December 18, 2008 7:14 PM PST
Where have you been? Now, 99% of BSOD of issues are beyond Microsoft's control and are related to failing hardware, bad programs, bad drivers, common disk errors, and spyware. I know a Windows 2000 Server machine that has been running without issue for 4 years. The only time it was turned off was to replace a bad CD burner.
by Lerianis December 18, 2008 8:21 PM PST
Juan, get real. The fact is that Vista does NOT have Blue Screens. Heck, since the Blue Screen that I KNEW I was going to see while installing Sacred on my new computer (which, by the way, on Vista 64-bit didn't appear!), I haven't seen ONE Blue Screen.
I have had problems with some updates, but those were created by yours truly going into the registry or Windows directory and deleting things that were necessary. After fixing the problem (which usually amounted to deleting the registry entries for the updates to Vista... ALL OF THEM!).... I never saw those errors with the updates again, and I learned to stay the freak out of the 'Installer' directory.
by solu1978 December 18, 2008 11:11 PM PST
3 months and counting .. my vista machine has not been rebooted (i have not installed any updates since SP1).. It all depends on who is using the system.

Ohhh and if you dont want your vista thats installed in VMware installed to be cute .. just disable UAC or Hey you have a MAC with 10.5.6 the most advanced system .. why keep vista ?? :):)
by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 9:40 AM PST
by finalfanoffkey December 18, 2008 5:58 PM PST
Just go to google "MacOS BOSD" or just search in Apple forum..
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That statement said all we needed to know about you. A little eduction in case you just didn't know - there is no such thing as a BSOD (Blue Screen Of Death) on a Mac. Never has been and never will be (well, until you install winblows that is). That is a winblows only phenomenon. On a Mac, should a major OS crash happen you get what's called a "kernel panic", similar to what can (but rarely ever does) happen on *nix.

Admitted Apple fan I am, I have seen kernel panics in OS X. Typically they happen in the early stages of the OS release, for example when I updated my work machine to 10.5 I would see them sometimes. The 10.5.1 update reduced their frequency and I don't think I've seen one since 10.5.2. As I remember I had a similar experience with 10.4, experiencing kernel panics through the first update or two only.

Perfect? Far from it, but a whole lot better than suffering the indignity of running trashware like fista. I am a slave to no one, my machine is mine. I can't wait until M$ screws up WGA again and accuses all you fista apologists of being criminal pirates like they did to me with ex-pee. Reading your baseless defenses to that should be entertaining.
by DrtyDogg December 19, 2008 3:42 PM PST
He said to google "Mac BSOD" not that the screen is blue. We all know the screen is gray and there isn't any information telling you what went wrong. FYI if you had done a google search on it, google would have come back with about 1.5 million results.
by Trane Francks December 19, 2008 4:57 PM PST
> On a Mac, should a major OS crash happen you get what's called a "kernel panic", similar to what can (but rarely ever
> does) happen on *nix.

With certain Bluetooth headsets, kernel panics are a freakin' way of life. My MacBook panics pretty regularly and nearly always at a seriously inconvenient time.
by j3wc3 December 21, 2008 2:02 PM PST
juan i think you lead with your chin on this one. there will always be more exceptions to an observation we make than we could foresee (google foot-in-mouth disorder). i use both OS's regularly and i only reboot when i want to change the OS i am under. i have been able to do this since (drum roll please) WinME (yes, really). if you know what you are doing it is easy to turn off all the crap you dont use and that which does not work in windows. look it up, info is out there. vista is old enough now that we know what processes we can kill w/o disabling the system.

OSX however, really wants a seamless upgrade. the trouble with this is they dont test on every machine available, nor do they test on every connection available (a practical impossibility). with Win AND Mac if you want to be sure do it by hand - download the whole thing from MS or apple and run the update in its own process. otherwise you are trusting the provider (MS or apple), not an uncommon folly mind you.

and yes, apple and win BSOD's are funny as hell as long as im watching on youtube/metacafe'. thanks for the post. cheers
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by john55440 December 18, 2008 5:29 PM PST
Just works? I guess not.

Get an HP. (grin)
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by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 9:43 AM PST
I'm sure HP is perfect and has never made any minor mistakes. Yes, this is pretty minor in the scheme of things. Who lost data due to the upgrade crash? Who's hardware was damaged? Who had to reinstall the OS?

The issue is even fixed now and Apple has a few ways to deal with it for the people who encountered the problem, none of which is particularly difficult.

Why can't winblows apologists understand that NOTHING IS PERFECT, but ANYTHING is better than winblows? Is it a mental deficiency? Education level? Age/maturity? What??
by Mark_Anderson December 22, 2008 5:33 AM PST
Well, Dalkorian, I guess it's because we're used to Mac fanboys talking rubbish about Vista and resurrecting issues that were closed about 8 months ago.

Sauce for the goose and all that. :)
by Vegaman_Dan December 18, 2008 5:57 PM PST
Can it, guys. Any OS update can have issues. Apple is addressing them and offering advice to make things go a bit smoother. Apple and Microsoft both do this. It isn't anything out of the ordinary.

Just be glad Apple acknowledged the issue and is trying to help people.

Complaining about it here or poking fun at one OS or the other won't help.
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by Mr. Dee December 18, 2008 6:01 PM PST
"Can it, guys. Any OS update can have issues"

I agree, but the arrogance of Mac Users make it same like their OS immune from errors.
by ckurowic December 18, 2008 6:09 PM PST
Mr. Dee, you seriously do need to can it man. Why are you mass labeling Mac users as arrogant?? I am personally ambidextrous when it comes to computers, but prefer the OS X side of things, so that makes me arrogant? Get a life.
by ferretboy88 December 18, 2008 6:22 PM PST
I spend a few years on macrumors.com and Apple fanboys are arrogant. They hate anyone who is different from them and has different ideas. Not really thinking "outside the box" over there.
by Perry_Clease December 18, 2008 6:47 PM PST
"I spend a few years on macrumors.com "

Are you a Mac user?
by Orion Blastar December 18, 2008 7:12 PM PST
Maddox clearly thinks so:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't, is shut up. It is clearly that simple, Mac Users can't stop talking about how great their Mac is or how superior they are to everyone else, or how much better everyone else will be using a Mac instead of a PC. It is almost like they married their Mac, and Steve Jobs is their new God and lord and master as part of some freakish religious cult, Macism. :)
by Perry_Clease December 18, 2008 7:47 PM PST
"One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't, is shut up. It is clearly that simple, Mac Users can't stop talking about how great their Mac is or how superior they are to everyone else, or how much better everyone else will be using a Mac instead of a PC. "

Yet here you are opening up on an Apple story.

But yes, you are correct, we do have a well deserved superiority complex.
by Vegaman_Dan December 18, 2008 8:22 PM PST
Why am I reminded of the Shakespeare play, "MacBeth"?

Queen Gertrude is asked by Hamlet what she thinks of the court politics going on:

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

That line alone... ironically in "MacBeth" seems to apply to a lot of the comments in any Mac / PC / Linux debate.
by protagonistic December 18, 2008 8:30 PM PST
ferretboy88 you really need to get out more often. You are the one running with the herd and you accuse Mac users of not being able to think outside the box? I have installed every update to OS X since about 10.2.5 and have had only one go bad on me. If I could have had anywhere close to that rate in Windows I would still probably be using it. But I have to admit I am glad I finally made the switch. I no longer have to spend a big portion of my life keeping my computer up and running.

And if that makes me arrogant in your opinion, well you know what they say about opinions.
by Mr. Dee December 18, 2008 10:16 PM PST
ckurowic, your post prove my point well. That's why people will never get your platform, because you tell them to can it and tell them 'Get a life'. Imagine that, you are insulting someone over a logic board, plastic, aluminum and some 1s and 0s.
by ittesi259 December 19, 2008 7:54 AM PST
"One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't, is shut up. It is clearly that simple"

Apparently not, according to this thread.

Hi, I'm a Mac user, and I hate stupid Mac fanboys and stupid PC users. Unfortunately I find myself surrounded by them.
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by Orion Blastar December 18, 2008 7:07 PM PST
Yeah I got the solution to Mac OSX update crashes as well:
http://www.ubuntu.com/

Download the Live Ubuntu CD and use that until Apple fixes the OSX update issues.

I swear Apple is Microsoft's Mini-Me. :) Same problems as Microsoft, but at a higher price for the system, which is basically an Intel PC with the Apple logo on it and EFI changes to BIOS. The Mac now is basically a PC, just runs a different OS is all. Plus most Mac users run Windows via Bootcamp or a virtual machine because of lack of OSX native software they need to get their business or jobs done.

You'll be better off using Ubuntu and the bundled FOSS software that comes with it, until your Mac stops acting up and Apple fixes that update problem.
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by timber2005 December 18, 2008 8:13 PM PST
Linux is DEFINATLEY not immune to update issues either.

"The Mac now is basically a PC"... yes, the acroymn has and always will stand for "Personal Computer" not "a device which runs the Microsoft Windows operating system"
by protagonistic December 18, 2008 8:35 PM PST
Having used Ubuntu quite a bit I have to say you are a bit off the mark on this one. Maybe if all you do is read email and browse the web, but Ubuntu does not yet have easy to use video editing software. Actually, the audio editing software has a ways to go as well. It is getting there, but the cost of a Mac system is a small price to pay for getting work done quickly. I don't know about you, but my time is worth something to me.
by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 9:54 AM PST
Orion, I love Ubuntu as well, but you're making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill here. We're talking about an OS update that didn't download completely, causing Software Update to freeze during the install process.

M$ users would freak and panic at this point, knowing full well their OS was trashed and they would have to spend the next few hours reinstalling everything and running every update released since they bought the OS.

Mac users would power down the machine and reboot it, expecting to find the OS they had before trying to update. This is what happened in this case as well, nothing was trashed - just the update didn't work. I'm not sure how you could call that "acting up".
by Mr. Dee December 19, 2008 10:09 AM PST
You are forgetting the point Dalkorian, the OS update has rendered many systems useless, to the point of irreparable.
by Travis Ernst December 18, 2008 8:44 PM PST
Didn't have any problems on the 10.5.6 update. Must be a rare situation, or persons in duel boot. Those in Mac only who were following the "typical" procedure (quit all other programs first) must not have issues.

iTunes will have speed problems on Christmas Day and a couple days following (bogged down) due to all the new iPods people get. Same for system updates and downloads from Apple. So if you are in that group be prepared to stay up late (0100-0300) to try and avoid traffic hours. Either that, or wait a few days for the demand to drop down.
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by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 9:57 AM PST
by Travis Ernst December 18, 2008 8:44 PM PST
Didn't have any problems on the 10.5.6 update. Must be a rare situation, or persons in duel boot. Those in Mac only who were following the "typical" procedure (quit all other programs first) must not have issues.

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I'm an Apple fan myself, but that's a rather specious argument. I got up and left my desk while the update happened and I didn't have any problems, so the problems must have only affected people who sat there and watched it.

A watched update never installs.
:-D
by Chapmaniac December 18, 2008 9:26 PM PST
I had Windows 3.11 - updated to 95, updated to 98, built a new computer and put XP Pro on it. Updated that to SP1 then SP2. Got sick and tired of all the nonsense and buggy feel to the OS and switched to the Mac in October 2004 (G5 iMac Rev A). Loved it and converted a few households in the next 4 years.

Now for the kicker - I'm typing this on my new Dell. It has a 2.66 quad processor and came with 8 GB of RAM, a 750 GB hard drive, wireless keyboard and mouse, built-in TV tuner card (with a nice remote control), a 15-in-1 card reader, CD/DVD-RW, 2.1 speakers (with subwoofer) and a wi-fi card so I don't have to tether this desktop to Ethernet (handy when I want to move it to the living room TV). It also came with a nice 22 inch wide-screen monitor and Dell even threw in a free GPS unit for my car. The whole package came to under $1500 - and that's after tax, my friends. So I'm running Vista 64-bit and, on this relatively moderately priced system, it absolutely flies.

Have I come full-circle back to Windows? I don't think so. In my mind, I've moved forward; I upgraded every bit of the way and each time I do, I believe I'm using the best my money can buy. To everything, there is a season and, for me, the Apple season has come and gone. Apple's quality has taken some beatings lately while Vista (as much as you've heard otherwise) is Windows moving forward.
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by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 10:18 AM PST
by Chapmaniac December 18, 2008 9:26 PM PST
... Vista (as much as you've heard otherwise) is Windows moving forward.

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This I can agree with. It is one of many reasons I will never give another dime of my hard earned money to M$ in my entire life and is the primary reason why M$ trashware is no longer welcome on my machine [1]. I own my computer, not M$, they have no right whatsoever to inflict WGA on their customers. Have fun when they screw up again and accuse you of being a criminal.

[1] - Disclaimer: actually, ex-pee is still on my main machine (I suffered one last install of it because it was the only way to access the files I had locked within it). It's my game console now and nothing more. The real partition has Ubuntu on it so I can get actual work done, instead of slaving to patch the patches around AV software designed to cover the myriad of holes in the OS after convincing M$ that the legally purchased copy of ex-pee trashware isn't an illegal copy. Given a choice between being locked out of my machine entirely and being accused of being a criminal versus a software update that failed to install and otherwise did no damage ... well, I can't fathom how anyone could defend fista in any way.
by AppleSuxLeo December 19, 2008 12:39 AM PST
Better advice is to throw out Free BSD/Colorful GUI and use XP which is rock solid and MSFT supports for like 15 years and doesn`t charge you for service packs. And the Windows service packs actually work .
Or on the same machine you built you could dual-boot with a Linux distro. Mac = walled garden.
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by ittesi259 December 19, 2008 7:56 AM PST
Microsoft will never support XP for 15 years....if you're gonna comment, be realistic about it.
by smilin:) December 19, 2008 8:21 AM PST
Direct retail of XP ended June 30, 2008. System builder ended Jan 31st 2009. Mainstream support is 5 years after this. Extended support for business is 5 years after mainstream. Online (self-help) is guaranteed for 10 years and beyond.

Since XP released in December 2001 that means it will be supported for 18+ years not counting online self help which currently is indefinate.

ittesi259 if you're going to tell someone to be realistic maybe you should research first. If you want to practice research why don't you go lookup what Apples support policy is. I think you will be disappointed.
by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 10:19 AM PST
There is no point in arguing with a delusional idiot. None whatsoever. Enjoy your slavery.
by DrtyDogg December 19, 2008 3:43 PM PST
people have been trying with you.
by 3rdalbum December 19, 2008 2:06 AM PST
Why doesn't Apple use hashing for their updates, to ensure that the download is complete, hasn't been corrupted in transit, and hasn't been intercepted and modified in transit?

And why doesn't Apple put its update files on a "staging post" server so bleeding-edge users can test them out first, before letting the population get at them?

Either one of those measures would have prevented the update problem. Ubuntu does both. Microsoft only does the hashing, but that's good enough.

Most advanced operating system? I don't know what that is, but it sure ain't the Mac OS.
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by ClaBR December 19, 2008 4:28 AM PST
Apple deserves to get bashed for every single flaw of their OS for one reason: They always marketed it as the Anti-Windows, problem free, perfect system, anti-Windows so they brought it up on themselves. When reality hits, they must get all bad PR in return for their false ads.

Mac user bragging about Macs being better is just like when China changed it's name to Popular Republic of China after the revolution or the communists changed East Germany's putting Democratic in it or more recently the Democratic Republic of Congo: They need to write down that it is a democracy because if you let people see it naturally, they will see only dictatorship.

SAME PRINCIPE for Macs: if no one says that they are better and super and cool, people will see them just as a pretty thing and nothing else.
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by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 10:21 AM PST
You should find a real reason to hate other than ignorance. It doesn't make you look good.
by dennisl59 December 19, 2008 5:45 AM PST
Well, Well, Well, so the Operation System Update had a problem?
Welcome to the real world Macintosh users.
Crow and Kool-Aid are being served.
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by ittesi259 December 19, 2008 7:57 AM PST
Wow...so proud of your comment you can't leave your name? If you have nothing productive to contribute shut up
by Maclover1 December 19, 2008 5:48 AM PST
1 iMac current generation, 1 Macbook Santa Rosa both installed fine zero problems. Every single update since I started with clean installs of Leopard have gone fine with out problems. In all cases I noticed nothing really good or bad. I am sure fixes were made but from my perspective I did not notice problems before the patches.

Someone said there are weekly patches for OS X. That is simply not true. There have been lots application patches, or RAW camera support updates, which you do or do not have to install.

I also have a Vista Machine and it does not crash either. It still has slow network copy speeds and it tends to hammer the hard drive while its sitting there not do anything, nor has done anything for a few hours. I use this machine as a VMware workstation box, quad core 8 gigs of RAM. I am probably going to rebuild it with XP 64 since XP will use fewer resources which will give more resources to VMware when running many VM's....besides XP 64 is basically Server 2003 64bit.
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by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 10:27 AM PST
When you go back to ex-pee, watch for "Windows Genuine Advantage" in the update process and deny the heck out of it. Trust me on this one, the only advantage to this is the ability M$ gains to completely lock you out of your machine. No other reason for it, it's just a OS kill switch and nothing else. Controlled by M$, because you can't be trusted with your machine.

Why should they trust you with your machine, you were dumb enough to install winblows on it after all!

Fista is a resource hog because things like WGA (plus a ton of other DRM crapware designed to not allow you to run your own computer) are now built right into the core level of the OS, instead of being a tacked on afterthought.
by DrtyDogg December 19, 2008 3:45 PM PST
@Dalkorian: you want to post any facts or just more B.S?
by sting7k December 19, 2008 6:32 AM PST
Wow so much hate. I like my vVsta but I have to admit that the IE7 update that got put out earlier this week broke my Wifi. It would just sit and sit saying identifing and never connect. Updating the driver and restarting my network did nothing. I eventually had to use system restore (thanks MS for providing this to Windows users years ahead of the "time machine"). That fixed it. I don't use IE anyway so I'll just wait and see what they say about it.

Everything can have problems people get over it, you never know what will happen.
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by shycelticwitch December 19, 2008 7:30 AM PST
"One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't, is shut up. It is clearly that simple, Mac Users can't stop talking about how great their Mac is or how superior they are to everyone else, or how much better everyone else will be using a Mac instead of a PC. "

I challenge all of you PC users to go to a posting about Windows or Microsoft, and see just how many Apple fans post there. At least we talk about our preference and why we like it IN OUR OWN FORUM!!! If you don't use Apple computers, why do you come to these posts to talk about them?

Look at it this way... A cult is a group of people who all believe the same thing, regardless of whether it's good, right, wrong or bad. A religion is the following of beliefs. Intelligence is the ability to differentiate between what is real and what is not. So the way we see it, Windows users are a cult of unintelligent people who believe that because a product owns 90% of the market share, it must be superior to anything else, and like any fanatical religious group, they seek out the gathering places of those who don't agree (the intelligent ones) and use threats of doom and damnation to try to convince them otherwise.
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by smilin:) December 19, 2008 8:23 AM PST
Your poop stinks. Just thought you should know.
by shycelticwitch December 19, 2008 8:27 AM PST
no... actually that is your upper lip that you smell... sorry.
by sythara December 19, 2008 9:04 AM PST
So the way we see it, Windows users are a cult of unintelligent people who believe that...

So all windows users are unintelligent. Come on man, seriously. This is worse than observing a Christian and a Muslim about their religions. Look at yourselves people, seriously. No one gives a crap about how you feel about your OS. At the end of the day it really doesen't matter as long as you got your job done.

This is just trully amazing.
by shycelticwitch December 19, 2008 1:51 PM PST
I see that you didn't take the challenge... but you certainly proved my point.
by DrtyDogg December 20, 2008 9:04 PM PST
Actually, any MS story gets slammed by Apple shills go back and look for yourself. Your "challenge" isn't a challenge, because it is completely incorrect, the talkbacks show it. Most of the first posts are Apple shills, and they never talk about a preference in fact they often look a lot like this:


"by AppleRocks1963 December 1, 2008 1:12 PM PST
Someone explain how renaming Vista to Windows 7, disabling some UAC nag screens make this better than that crap MS is trying to sell already?"

from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10120474-56.html?tag=mncol
by Mark_Anderson December 22, 2008 5:36 AM PST
Really, shycelticwitch?

I suggest you pay a bit more attention to CNET, ZDNET, Paul Thurrot's site and pretty much every tech blog out there.
by shycelticwitch December 22, 2008 7:06 AM PST
I looked. I saw a handful of posts, most of them by the same handful of geeks who post on every article. But not the fanatical 'kill the Apple fans" warfare that goes on here in the Apple forum.

What I DID see was a lot of Windows users bashing their own system... go figure.
by Mark_Anderson December 22, 2008 8:28 AM PST
Try it with your eyes open this time.
by bourgtai December 19, 2008 7:31 AM PST
Holy crap and sanctimonious poo! An update Apple's distributed has caused problems! THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY DOWN!!! Never mind that Windows updates have been known since the beginning of time to cause problems on peoples' systems, cause slowdown, cause impromptu restarts, and cause more updates to fix prior updates. No. This one time on Apple's part is far more momentous a catastrophe than, say, rootkit.

The Internet is passion free from reason.
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by Dalkorian December 19, 2008 10:33 AM PST
You're neglecting to acknowledge all the pain and agony this failure on Apple's part is doing to their customers. Mac users had to power down their computers and restart them to find - nothing wrong. Just no update installed.

No kernel panics.
No corrupted files.
No damaged hardware (still laughing at that one Mr. Dee).
No corrupted OS.
No BSOD's (don't remember who I'm laughing at with this one).

Apple has now told users how to fix the problem, either remove the receipt file and re-run Software Update or download the combo updater from their website and run that. See how painful that was?

Winblows apologists have to comment on every single Mac article to make themselves feel better about the mistake they realize they have made.
by  Brian December 19, 2008 9:12 AM PST
I have successfully installed 10.5.6 on both of my Macs and they both run fine.

I suppose it just works.
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by brianwatts December 19, 2008 2:51 PM PST
After downloading the 10.5.6 update, my Mail application unexpectedly quits when I try to open an email with an attachment. No attachment, no worries. After 4 hours with 4 different people at Apple technical support and trying about 10 different ideas, the problem was not fixed. So I took the easy was out and opened a Thunderbird email account. Problem solved.
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by DrtyDogg December 19, 2008 3:51 PM PST
My favorite part from the Apple support post:

"To avoid this issue, download and install the Mac OS X 10.5.6 Update or later. Note that this update must first be installed to avoid the issue; the issue may occur while downloading the Mac OS X 10.5.6 Update or later."

To avoid issues while updating to 10.5.6 update to 10.5.6 prior to updating to 10.5.6.

Genius. If you where up to date you would have these problems updating.
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by PhoenixStudios December 19, 2008 8:33 PM PST
I guess the lesson learned is to always use the combo updater. Both platforms rot at delivering incremental updates, although seems Vista is doing better these days with the hundreds of tiny updates that must be delivered seems like everyday...
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