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November 6, 2008 10:11 AM PST

Apple adding wireless podcast downloads to iPhone?

by Tom Krazit
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Over-the-air podcast downloads look set to arrive with the release of iPhone OS X 2.2.

(Credit: Flo's Weblog)

Apple appears set to turn on over-the-air podcast downloads with the next version of the iPhone software, making it much clearer why it rejected a third-party application that did the same thing.

A German blog called Flo's Weblog has published screenshots purportedly from the next release of Apple's iPhone OS, version 2.2. One of the new features in that software, along with additions like Google Street View, will allow iPhone or iPod Touch users to download podcasts directly to their devices without having to connect the device to their computers and go through iTunes.

Sound familiar? That was the same feature offered by an iPhone application called Podcaster that was rejected from the App Store to much handwringing from the iPhone development community. Apple told the developer that the application duplicated a function found in iTunes, but at that time, iTunes wasn't able to send podcasts directly to a device over the air.

Looks like that is about to change relatively soon. The rejection of Podcaster was one of the primary examples of the grumbling over Apple's policies for iPhone application development. Apple holds veto power over any application destined for the iPhone, and while there are quality control and security issues that help justify that stance, it also allows the company to kill any application that duplicates something it has on a future road map.

And since Apple is unlikely to start sharing its iPhone software road map with the development community--when it hasn't even clarified exactly what the rules are for the App Store--developers who spend weeks or months adding a feature to the iPhone don't always know if they've been wasting their time. Not to mention the possibility that they could face the added insult of watching Apple roll out the same feature a few months later.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by Alex Alexzander November 6, 2008 10:28 AM PST
Pretty anti-competitive if you ask me.

Alex
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by Ipopngraphics November 6, 2008 11:37 AM PST
Pretty damn smart if you ask me... There's enough 3rd party apps to go around, and from what I've seen Apple has been more than generous to the developers. Since it's their hardware, their software and their name, they'd be stupid to allow unrestricted outside development.

And here I was... looking for that 5 paragraph, 10,000 word comment praising the virtues of Microsoft and bashing the beejeezzuz out of Apple... Did you forget to drink your RedBull today?
by Vegaman_Dan November 6, 2008 12:35 PM PST
Ipopngraphics:

The issue is that Apple can decide to remove an app for any reason at all... and in this case, there was a successful application that did all that was advertised and then Apple removed it. Now we see they did it because they want to do one of their own, which prohibits anyone else from doing one.

That's why it's anti-competitive.

It's also why don't have any alternative email applications, which is a shame because believe me, the included app on the Touch and iPhone is a very poor excuse for a mail client.

This sort of behavoir also allows Apple to see what application is popular and then release one of their own and ban the original app.

Not exactly friendly to developers, and it goes a long way towards explaining why developers are looking more towards Android instead. :/
by rkinne01 November 6, 2008 11:44 AM PST
I agree with Alex. I'll also point out that if Apple doesn't do something to appease developers then they'll write for Andriod and not deveolpe for I-Phone at all. Apple isn't the only kid on the playground to play with anymore, the game has changed.
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by fuzbears November 6, 2008 11:44 AM PST
I am not sure how apple can treat developers so bad and still keep them so engaged.. It is definately anticompetitive, but even worse that you could put effort into a project Apple decides not to allow.. As a small developer, Apple could put me out of business.. Their attitude is arragant, and cruel.. I am not sure why people think this company is so progressive and wonderful.. They are slowly living up to their "1984" ideals.. Like what we tell you, everything else is "double plus ungood"...
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by CBattery November 6, 2008 12:03 PM PST
Right on. If this was Microsoft people would be howling to the point of hyperventilation. Since it's Apple you'll see all these comments saying 'It's GOOD that Apple is anti-competitive, blah blah blah'. Hypocrits.
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by Ipopngraphics November 6, 2008 12:19 PM PST
LOL all of you need to listen to yourselves... talk about howling to the point of hyperventilation... here's a paper bag for you...
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by nojava November 6, 2008 12:20 PM PST
The iphone is just a computer. You can load any apps to a Mac. so why not the iphone. The iphone will be obsolete before long since Apple will hinder free devolpement.
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by Adjei2008 November 6, 2008 12:25 PM PST
Keep dreaming buddy, why haven't all the developers left Apple, they keep on selling more phones and more apps are getting download everyday, all ready they are at 200 million and counting.
by pase121 November 6, 2008 8:56 PM PST
Adjei2008 is right in that the iPhone wont be obsolete anytime soon due to its popularity. At the end of the day developers want access to the broadest audience possible. However the android platform doesn?t have the limitation of being only on one piece of hardware. Slowly but surely it will gain its own audience and when that happens what will Apple do. Other than a broad audience developers also seek the path of least resistance. Apple doesn?t seem to care so much about that.
by Adjei2008 November 6, 2008 12:21 PM PST
If Apple had allowed podcaster and then developed this, you would have seen all the cries about Apple making them pay for podcaster knowing they would be bringing it for free and also they copied podcaster.
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by Vegaman_Dan November 6, 2008 12:37 PM PST
I have Podcaster on my Touch. I don't like it. It only streams content online. I had hoped it would sync and let me download the podcasts for later listening instead like you can inside iTunes. If Apple's new product is also only a live streamer, then it's something I'm not interested in.
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by TheLe99 November 6, 2008 12:46 PM PST
Once again, we're dealing with a double-standard Apple community. If Microsoft did this, the Apple community would burn them in effigy. But in this case, "Apple can do no wrong" is the mantra... yet again.
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by jypeterson November 6, 2008 1:44 PM PST
1) Apple owns the software and hardware for a unified user experience
2) Apple was gracious to open the door to native applications by developers and provide a single store to provide them to users (no other phone provider had done that yet)
3) For a small fee of each paid sale, Apple is paid for distribution and provider fees
4) Millions of $ are now flowing towards mom and pop developers for their contributions to the iPhone
5) Developers ride the wave of the Apple brand without having to pay for advertising

Shall I go on...

Sure there will be apps that won't be accepted at the Apple store. Apple owns that right straight out. None of the developers, NONE, have provided the hardware or underlying software for the iPhone. Why do they get to whine then -- because they feel entitled. Read the SDK developer agreement and you will see that Apple gets to dictate what gets approved. Developers can take a risk that an application will be rejected, but that is business risk. Apple isn't big brother or an iPhone monopoly. If you don't like it, don't develop for the iPhone. Go to some other also-ran platform.

By the way, of all of the coding tools, the Apple SDK is one of the easiest available, and it provides a vast library of online resources.

Stop whining. You're giving me a headache.
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by goodspeed8701 November 6, 2008 5:11 PM PST
What you are trying to say is that if You break up your iphone they have the right to arrest you cos the iphone you bought from them is actualy theirs. Well you are stupid you think you know too much. i have the right to choose anything i like on my iphone and they are not suppose to alter that.

Let me deside which app is stupid like you and which is great. Its called choice. Most apple fans dont like this but your are too foolish to realise how you are in bundage apple tell you how to use your stuff GROWUP FOOL
by goodspeed8701 November 6, 2008 5:16 PM PST
When you look at this comment you realise that apple is a ripoff. This is one reason i have to stay away from them.
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by juz1093 November 7, 2008 6:01 AM PST
Just like Apple ot lock you down to use only their products
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by medezark November 24, 2008 12:49 PM PST
No, only microsoft locks you into using their products. Oasts are the decendents of Apple users.
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