September 17, 2008 10:00 AM PDT

Apple gaining North American notebook share

by Tom Krazit
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Apple's MacBook is taking share from competitors in North America.

(Credit: Apple)

Apple's picking up notebook market share faster than any of its competitors in its home continent, according to DisplaySearch.

Market research figures released Wednesday have Apple's share of the North American market for notebooks, up from 6.6 percent to 10.6 percent in the second quarter of this year, compared to last year. Every other major notebook maker's market share was either flat or down, compared to the previous year, with market leaders Hewlett-Packard and Dell picking up just 0.3 percent and 0.2 percent, respectively, and Acer's share plunging 4.2 percent, including Gateway's totals.

The second calendar quarter of the year is generally a slow one, at least compared to the third and fourth quarters in the PC-buying year. Apple watcher Piper Jaffray thinks that the company will sell roughly 2.8 million to 2.9 million Macs during the current (third) quarter, an increase of 29 percent to 34 percent.

And that's without any new Macs being released during this current quarter, which earlier in the year seemed like a given. Now we expect new MacBooks in October, which could give Apple a boost as it heads into the holiday shopping season.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by benjaminstraight September 17, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
Kind of surprising considering their price and the downtown in the economy. But people will pay for quality.
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by kaibelf September 17, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
Absolutely. Just look at the iPhone 3G rollout and MobileMe! j/k lol
by sanenazok September 17, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
People will buy stuff that's heavily advertised, that's for sure.
by jandler September 17, 2008 10:33 AM PDT
Back to school is usually a bit time for Apple. Students, especially college students, often buy the latest 'hip' and 'cool' products with little regards to price or quality. So it is not surprising but expected.
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by samkass September 17, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
Wow, you had a different college experience than me. There are few folks more broke than a college student, and they want something for the money they invest. All the college students I know left hip and cool in high school.
by ckurowic September 17, 2008 10:58 AM PDT
I am a college senior, everyone i know is flat broke jandler. We purchase Apple computers because of their longevity, quality, reliability, and ease of use, not for "hip" factor. Leave your "facts" at the door, it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
by kevsmail September 17, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
I agree w/Jandler's hip and cool comments. The times are a changin' folks. Loads of college students around these parts drive BMW 3-series or Minis, walk around town playing with their iPhones at Starbucks, etc., and buy Macs thanks to the HUGE college discounts they get from Apple through the university's bookstore.

Back in my day... we thought we were stylin with a $50 Walkman cassette radio. Who'd have ever thought students would shell out $200-400 for a music player and/or phone??!?!?!
by jandler September 18, 2008 7:48 AM PDT
Exactly, and if some college students are too dumb to get jobs, then it's not my fault they are loser.
by gefitz September 17, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
My impression is that even with a downturn in the economy, the training we've all received to purchase "cool" is much higher than the pressure to purchase "quality", or "cost-effectiveness".

More likely: the people that can afford to buy a computer at all are much more susceptible to the "buy cool" pressure than those that cannot afford to buy any computer. There are fewer people that have that kind of dough lying around...the ones that have that money are more likely to buy to impress...
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by ckurowic September 17, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
Um, dude, I'm in college. I purchased a MacBook for $999, and I got features included that only a $1,500 Dell would have. Buy to impress? Where did you go to college? California or something? No one gives a crap what you use!
by compudoc318 September 17, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
ckurowic, i refuse to believe your apple is cheaper than a dell with the same stats...outright wrong, ive done this same stats arguement many times, apple is always more expensive, cause thats when the apple fan cries about how his parts are made better, hence the higher price.
by compudoc318 September 17, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
case in point, new macbook, entry level is 1099 with 13" screen , 2.1 proc, 1 gig ram, and 120 hd, i just bought 2 dells for a girl i work with at 749 with 2.0 proc, 2 gigs ram and 120 gig hd and a 15 inch screen.
by M C September 17, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
You might be right, except for the fairly obvious fact that the back-to-school season is Q3.

Unfortunately, CNet doesn't let you delete poorly-thought-out posts...
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by jandler September 17, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
I have to admit and I am not afraid to admit, unlike many people that I misread Q2 for Q3. But my argument that college students liking to buy the cool and hip still stands. As a matter of fact, even Apple in ther ads favor such statement.
by jandler September 17, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
Also, as for Q2.

Unless you were living in a cave for the past years or so we are in a economic downtime. Apple being a consumer-first company is often not affected by such downtime as quickly as enterprise-first company. Let me explain. Companies like Morgan Stanley, for example, who are currently under stress for many many months will look at their current financial situation and determine than an upgrade circle (new desktop, new server, new laptop) can be deferred to save me. So companies like Dell, HP, etc feel the pitch much much earlier than others. Consumer-first company will eventually feel, but usually, a quarter or 2 after when jobs are being lost, and salary are cut. So to make a valid and complete judgment, we need to wait for the next 6 months.
by Xiibo September 17, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
What could also be a reason for this gain is the ability for new users to have a full Apple environment while still having their trusty Windows desktop available. I happen to fall into this category. Wanting a new laptop for school, and not blindly buying the latest 'hip' product, I looked at an Apple for a change. I had first-hand experience with the early Vista errors and couldn't afford to have problems on a machine to be used for school. It's been great for me. I find myself using the MacBook more and more and rarely find a need for my Windows machine.

Laptops give buyers the opportunity to try OsX without a full committment, granted that they still have their desktops available and are not replacing machines.
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by danielwsmithee September 17, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
This is not surprising Apple makes great laptops, I'm sure as they update the MacBooks in the coming months things will get even better. Dell's newest line of E series latitudes look like a nice improvement over the old crap D series. I have yet to see an HP I'd consider buying.
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by close5828 September 17, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
Sounds more like ppl in this economy are spending some of what was supposed to be their vacation money on something more practical; a Mac will last 3-5 years while a vacation only lasts 1-2 weeks
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by The_Decider September 17, 2008 4:36 PM PDT
Sadly in the US 1 week is a long vacation, but it is hardly impractical.

People are just sick of bloat and malware so is ditching Windows.
by joetesta70 September 17, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
Wow - do these laptops also spontaneously combust?
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by mbenedict September 17, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
Meanwhile Vista notebooks still outsell the Apple laptops by a 9-to-1 margin, even more world-wide. Poor Microsoft. Poor, poor Microsoft.
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by The_Decider September 17, 2008 4:03 PM PDT
Why is it MS fans are ignorant?

Apple is getting double digit growth rates, while those OEM's that hawk Windows are getting 0% growth at best.
by compudoc318 September 17, 2008 4:14 PM PDT
hey decider...... there is not much room to grow when youre already the majority, sounds like youre the ignorant one here......go ahead keep arguing that apple is better....with its 8% share, are the other 92% dumb and youre the only genius....lol.....
by The_Decider September 17, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
Wow another idiot.

You do realize that MS fudges their numbers and the linux installs on most laptops get counting in MS's favor, don't you?

The fact is that Windows market share(and their browser, and just about everything else) is dropping, and has been for some time. Windows overall is maybe 80% of the desktop, they are the minority in the server room and is losing share in the enterprise. Linux and OSX are growing.

Spin it all you want, but MS is shrinking, with no signs of reversing it. In fact, the rate of decline is increasing.
by liamland September 18, 2008 1:24 AM PDT
You'll be saying that with more real conviction when Apple vaults to a 20% market share. With a jump like the one we just witnessed, it's pretty much inevitable within the next 2 years.
by jbx225 September 20, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
It's hard if not impossible to truly compare sales numbers between a PC and a Mac. (When I say PC, I am referring to a Windows based environment and when I say Mac I am referring to a Mac OSX based environment.) When a PC is sold, it can come from a multitude of companies, Dell, HP, Gateway, Toshiba, Sony, etc. When a Mac is sold it can only come from one company, Apple. In the same way, you can't buy OSX and simply install it on a notebook from Dell, HP, Gateway, Toshiba, Sony, etc. So to try to compare notebooks shipped with Vista and notebooks shipped with OSX... it simply does not work and adds zero substance to the discussion.
by Penguinisto December 15, 2008 6:19 AM PST
"Meanwhile Vista notebooks still outsell the Apple laptops by a 9-to-1 margin"

You do realize that Apple makes a bigger cash profit off that one Mac than MSFT can make off of 20 Vista licenses, right? (and the ratio is even more in Apple's favor once you start talking about OEM bulk license costs...)

Probably explains why Apple has more money stashed in the bank than MSFT does right now... ;)
by troyrader September 17, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
Has anyone priced a similarly configured Dell? People talk about Mac pricing, debate the quality, etc, but if you take any dell model, bump the memory, hd, video, etc, to the equivalent of the Mac, it is VERY close. If you can get apple educational pricing, the dell is sometimes higher even. Apple doesn't make or sell "budget systems". The PC world does. And the useful life of those budget systems is a fraction of a real system.
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by etiahwhite September 22, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
That is so true about budget systems...you definitely get what you pay for...My last PC cost around $800 and only lasted about a year but my macbook pro which is coming up on a year hasn't had any issues so far...I know that owning an ipod and then an iphone really convinced me to go with a mac. My ipod is still going strong after 4 years and my iPhone has been issue free. My macbook was pricey but I did get a student discount on it. I know I've learned my lesson about budget PC's.
by RampantAndroid October 14, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
What the hell do you people do that your laptop only lasts a year? Take it in the shower with you?! If you're a gamer, fine. Laptops won't last long against modern games...but the term "gaming laptop" is a oxymoron if you're spending under 3,000 USD on it. If you're using it for light gaming, Office, maybe compiling some code (since school projects are never very large) or surfing the internet, the system can last ages. I've still got a single core Celeron lying around that runs XP...the thing is ancient, but still works if I need something in a pinch.

So tell me, why do your laptops last a year? Unless you regularly drop it while it is turned on, I don't see how that works.

As someone else pointed out, it is hard to compare the sales of Windows to a Mac - and I'll bet that the ability to run Windows on a Mac is helping those sales...I'll also bet that most comments on this article are people who enjoy Macs and are overly enthusiastic about them (dare I drop the term fanboy?)...which may explain why the SECOND someone isn't praising Apple, they're called an idiot. And furthermore, the question is: how quickly does advertising work? Microsoft is getting its ad campaigns going now, so how long until we see the results of those ads? A month? 3 months? 6? A year? Microsoft did not advertise for the longest time...leaving apple do its ads without any real response...which I am going to bet is largely why we see this growth. The people buy what they are told is cool, which is why the iPhone sells...people I talk to who have them say "its an OK phone, I hate the lack of a keyboard, it has its problems. 3G works sometimes. It's battery time dies often."...then why do you use it? Go buy an HTC Touch or something, it does things almost as well, except it is reliable, and has good battery life....
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