August 28, 2009 10:00 AM PDT

Cyberbullying case to test Megan's law

by Lance Whitney
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Is posting a phony, sexually suggestive ad online about another person free speech, an inappropriate prank, or a felony? That's what the Missouri court system will decide.

A cyberbullying case in Saint Charles County, Missouri, will test a year-old state law on electronic harassment. The law makes it a felony for someone 21 years or older to communicate with someone 17 years or younger by phone or electronic means in order to recklessly frighten, intimidate, or cause emotional distress to that person.

Elizabeth Thrasher, 40, allegedly posted a photo and personal contact details of a teenage girl in the Casual Encounters section of Craigslist during the spring. The teen reportedly received phone calls, e-mails, and text messages from strange men, prompting her to call the police.

Thrasher was then charged with the crime of cyberbullying under the statute 565-090, passed in Missouri in August 2008. Unofficially known as Megan's law, the statute is named after 13-year-old Megan Meier who committed suicide in 2006 after being the victim of an Internet hoax set up by a schoolmate's mother.

In the new case, CNET News recently spoke by phone with defense attorney Michael Kielty and Saint Charles County prosecutor Jack Banas.

The defense speaks
Hired to defend Thrasher, Michael Kielty finds fault with the law itself, pegging it as too vague. "It's a terribly crafted statute," he told CNET News. "I think ultimately it's going to be found unconstitutionally overly broad and vague."

Kielty's problems with the law rest partly on free speech issues. He said the statute states that if you cause somebody under 17 emotional duress via electronic communication, then you're a felon. "Can you imagine the application of that in everyday life?" he asked. "With your children? With teachers and students? It is a slippery slope."

The attorney also believes the case targets Internet speech specifically and that it wouldn't be a felony had it not occurred in cyberspace. "She was arrested and had to post bond for words. No actions, no threats. For words. There's something wrong with that. If it was a newspaper ad, it would not have been criminal. It certainly wouldn't have been a felony. If it was on a street corner or a bathroom wall, it wouldn't have been a felony."

Kielty also discussed the complicated back-story between the defendant and alleged victim. One of the client's daughters was dating the alleged victim's younger brother, he said. That led to a meeting between the ex-husband of the defendant and the alleged victim's mother, who apparently hit it off and moved in together soon after.

Conflict then started to surface between various family members, according to Kielty. The alleged victim's mother started making derogatory comments about the defendant's daughter, he said. Kielty claims there was harassment by the alleged victim and and her mother directed at the defendant.

"This didn't just happen in an isolated incident," he said. "There is context to the transaction. But my client never initiated contact with the victim. Your typical harassment statute would be a series of threatening or harassing statements, maybe some stalking, maybe threats of abuse or something of that nature. This is nothing of the sort."

This isn't Kielty's first encounter with Megan's law. In December, he defended a 21-year-old woman accused of sending harassing and threatening text messages to a 17-year-old girl in a dispute over a male.

The 21-year-old was charged under the same statute, but in this case it was a misdemeanor, not a felony. Kielty said she pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor and received probation. "But she was never arrested, and she never had to post bond," he said. "And I would argue that case was more egregious than (the Thrasher case) because as the facts came out at the plea, there were actual threats made."

Kielty acknowledges that Thrasher's action was improper and a mistake. "It wasn't thought out and it was not the appropriate thing to do. However, I don't think it raises to the level of a felony, much less a misdemeanor."

Kielty sees the law as a knee-jerk reaction on the part of local politicians to the Megan Meier case. All the media attention and public outcry over Meier's suicide led to the new statute, he believes. And now the prosecutor is in a position to enforce that statute.

An arraignment is set for Monday, in which Kielty will enter a plea of not guilty on behalf of his client. He expects the case will be set for either a disposition or preliminary hearing. The hearing would require the state to show probable cause that a crime was committed and that Thrasher was the person who committed it.

After that, the case would then travel to the circuit court, requiring another arraignment where Kielty would again enter a plea of not guilty. The case would then be set for trial, which the attorney believes could happen mid- to late spring of 2010.

If convicted, Thrasher might receive a penalty of up to four years in prison. "Up to four years in prison for a practical joke gone awry," said Kielty. "For words spoken through an Internet medium that would not be criminal if spoken on the corner of the street. I'm going to fight them every step of the way because I don't think it's a properly crafted statute. I believe that ultimately the statute will be overturned and should be."

The prosecution speaks
Saint Charles County prosecutor Jack Banas is charged with enforcing Megan's law. As opposed to Kielty, he said he believes the statute will stand up in court. "I think it's drawn narrowly enough to punish people only when they've done something intentional for the purpose of intimidating or frightening or causing someone emotional distress. I can only say that as it's written right now, we're enforcing it and will enforce it."

Banas doesn't believe the law singles out the Internet specifically other than that it's the vehicle used to commit the crime. He pointed out that Missouri harassment statutes are not just for electronic communications. "They're written for any type of communications done to frighten or intimidate or cause emotional distress," he explained, "whether the purpose is to harass somebody through the Internet, over the phone, or face to face."

This isn't a free speech issue according to Banas, but pure harassment. "Free speech does not involve speech directed at someone to intimidate, frighten, or otherwise harass them," he said. "That's not what free speech is about. This is directing something at a specific individual for the purpose of intimidating or frightening or causing emotional harm. It takes it out of the realm of some type of public speech."

Megan's law was passed to update Missouri's prior harassment statute, which Banas said was archaic because it only covered intimidation by writing or by phone. A large committee of prosecutors, defense attorneys, and a victim in another case worked with legislators to upgrade the statute for the modern world to cover electronic communications.

Banas explained that much time and effort have been spent educating people about the new law and the issue of harassment. Local newspapers and news stations have done stories on cybercrimes and the problems they've created.

Megan Meier's mother has also focused on public awareness. "Mrs. Meier had organized a nonprofit agency in which she went to schools to make parents and everyone else aware of this," said Banas. "There are bullying and cyberbullying classes. My wife is a teacher, and that's part of their curriculum."

"Whether or not the law was common knowledge, I think it was common knowledge that what she did was wrong," said Banas. "You're presumed to know what the crimes are in the state of Missouri."

The attorney explained that it's in an appeals process where the statute's constitutionality would be tested.

"If it goes to trial, and there's a verdict of guilty, then the defendant would have a right to appeal it. But I think this statute is very much within the constitutional boundaries. I think it should withstand the scrutiny of the appellate court."

Lance Whitney wears a few different technology hats--journalist, Web developer, and software trainer. He's a contributing editor for Microsoft TechNet Magazine and writes for other computer publications and Web sites. You can follow Lance on Twitter at @lancewhit. Lance is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and he is not an employee of CNET.
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by kaibelf August 28, 2009 10:35 AM PDT
This woman is pathetic. What is wrong with her, and why does she, under ANY circumstances, try to expose a young girl sexually to older men? White trash, pure and simple.
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by ferricoxide August 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT
Ok, but should it be any more illegal than scrawling "for a good time, call..." on a mens room wall?
by tm_anon August 28, 2009 4:02 PM PDT
@ferricoxide

It's no less illegal to post her information on a mens room wall.

However, the difference would be that there would be no evidence she'd done it.
by ferricoxide August 29, 2009 10:11 AM PDT
@tm_anon:

Ah, so we're operating on the "cop didn't see it/bother to investigate it, I didn't do it" school of thought? So, had she been more skillful at hiding her tracks, it wouldn't be an issue?

Sorry, but this strikes me as the whole "the Internet is different" mentality.
by Dalkorian August 31, 2009 4:10 PM PDT
ferricoxide, stop pretending postings to Craigslist and scribbling on a bathroom wall is the same thing. Try to use your brain for a moment and tell us:

1. When the bathroom wall is repainted, how can someone look up what USED to be there? (What, you didn't know that was possible on the internet?)

2. How someone in the adjacent county or state, who happens to be a pedophile, can "look up" that listing on that bathroom wall and act on it? (Let me guess, you didn't know that was possible with the internet either?)

The bathroom wall might be seen by a hundred of so people, one or two of which may be a pervert. The Craigslist ad will be seen by thousands at least, half of which will be a pervert. If you can't see the difference there, no one can help you.
by Mergatroid Mania August 28, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
I hope this b**ch gets everything she deserves.

How can her lawyer say it wasn't thought out? How can anyone go on Craig and place an ad without thinking about it? And he seems to think what happened was OK because there's a family histore. Huh? How does that even enter into it? "Sorry I shot this guy officer, but his mother is married to my father so that should make it ok"? Go figure.

Also, the people who drafted the law should have made it applicable to any media, not just the Internet.
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by unknown unknown August 28, 2009 12:07 PM PDT
"How can anyone go on Craig and place an ad without thinking about it?"

Same people can go on forums and post without thinking about it. Posting an ad on craig's list isn't much different.
by tm_anon August 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT
posting on forums tends to happen more out of knee-jerk reactions.

For instance, I was checking articles on CNET for interesting stories and came across this one. I was reading through the comments and came across yours. I didn't come here specifically to reply to your comment or to make one of my own.

If I went onto Craigslist and posted "unknown unknown is a weeny" or something along those lines, it would have to have been premeditated. I'd have gone to Craigslist specifically to post that message.

By the way, that was just an example so don't think I'm seriously calling you a weeny.
by ckh1272 August 29, 2009 7:36 AM PDT
@Mergatroid Mania---Even though I'm not crazy about the tone of your comment, I agree with the fundamentals. To the other two posters below Mergatroid Mania, posting here and posting an ad on Craigslist (which does take multiple steps BTW) is not the same. Craigslist is for people looking for certain things or people. Now, what if some pedophile freak responded to the ad and got really nasty about the whole thing. Is that the same as slamming someone on CNET. The answer is "NO".
by dragonbite August 28, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
So where is hte fine line between what they did with personal information and her picture and putting in something like she loves playing "rape games" and "playing the part" until somebody takes it seriously? Wasn't somebody just caught putting that into an ad for his ex-wife or ex-girlfriend?

The intent was to cause harm and the person thought they could do that annonymously over the internet.

Responsible parents are teaching their kids to not put their information on the internet for their safety yet somebody they are not getting along with can go and put all that information up there and not get into trouble? What's wrong with this picture?
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by dblr55 August 28, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
It was a mean and horrible thing to do, but I dont feel that years in jail is the right punishment. That is extremly excessive... I do beleive there is a Slippery Slope with this law, and this case makes a good argument for it.

Should the lady be punished absolutely!! .. and she definitely should of known better.. but locked up for posibly 4 years?!?! C'mon, thats not right.. and not the answer to solve this family problem.

She would of been better off beating her up and getting a few months probation instead.
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by tm_anon August 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT
The prison term comes into effect because of the consequences of her actions towards this young woman.

Even if the advertisement has been removed and this young womans personal information is no longer posted on craigslist, it still exists online somewhere along with her picture. That means anyone who wants to find it can do so. Anyone who wants to call her number can do so.

Four years isn't long enough. She's imposed a much longer penalty on this young woman through her actions and should be held responsible for it.
by PhaseDMA August 28, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
The attorney also believes the case targets Internet speech specifically and that it wouldn't be a felony had it not occurred in cyberspace. "She was arrested and had to post bond for words. No actions, no threats. For words. There's something wrong with that. If it was a newspaper ad, it would not have been criminal. It certainly wouldn't have been a felony. If it was on a street corner or a bathroom wall, it wouldn't have been a felony."

If you did it in a newspaper it would be a felony (or not printed in the first place). If it was done on a street corner the assumed person would be yourself, and if it was on a bathroom stall the people calling would be charged with harassment because people don't write their own information on bathroom stalls.
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by Garken August 29, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
You are all missing the point here. On a wall or in the classifieds only a few hundred people would see this, maybe. Peds and other sexual predators by the thousands troll the internet for this stuff. The poor girl may have gotten a couple of calls the other way but this way she will probably recieve thousands, not to mention the trolls who will take the time to figure out where she lives !! Get with the times and realize that the internet can be a very real threat in cases like this.
by ferricoxide August 29, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
@garken:

Seriously? You *really* think that? You think that a pedophile is looking for things just like that? That they're going to see, "lolita loves your lollipop," and isn't going to be thinking, "hmm... wonder if this is a setup?"

This is all part of the "Internet is voodoo" mentality. People seem to be under the impression that, because of the Internet, there's *more* "sexual predators" out there or that they're any more reckless about their pursuits than prior to the Internet. People also seem to think that things done on the Internet are fundamentally different than the same things *not* done on the Internet.
by agreddon August 28, 2009 11:50 AM PDT
Why couldn't they charge her under the law relating to fraud or pimping?
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by krosafcheg August 28, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
We are becoming a society of laws of common sense. What everyone as parents is NOT doing at home, society and law is desperately trying to rectify. If this continues, we'll be in the same situation of flight as our ancestors from England. (besides taxation getting worse, too)

Enough is enough!
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by marc_90292 August 29, 2009 5:04 AM PDT
Sorry, but anyone who thinks that placing such pictures without permission in public view should be punished.
I agree, though, that four years of jail - at over $100,000 cost per yer to tax payers - is not the appropriate punishment.
Rather the woman should be fined $40,000, that is $10,000 per year of jail. That will teach her.
by JoeKoskovics August 28, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
It is not the tool that committed the crime, it was the person. No one has the right to endanger a child, teen, or adult for that matter. What would we be saying if the teenager was killed? And what will happen for the next several years because of the "forever" state of the internet?

The act was completely irresponsible, and a young girl may suffer from it for years.

think about it.
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by lucifox August 31, 2009 6:05 PM PDT
I thought about it, and I call BS.
by JoeKoskovics September 24, 2009 7:14 AM PDT
Again, Think... This time much, much harder. If you can't think of the victim, then you just can't think at all.
by Police_States_of_America August 28, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
o noes she got phone calls n someone posted her picture on the internets!
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by ckh1272 August 29, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
Seriously PSA, you need to get a grip on reality. How about you post your pic and personal info. and we can see what some criminal can do with it. Put the bong down and come back to planet earth!
by Police_States_of_America September 2, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
so if someone posts a picture and personal information they are a criminal? who wouldnt you lock up?
by aintnorainbowdorothy August 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT
Definitely a slippery slope. The law only applies to people under the age of 17. Does that make it ok if I was to do it to a female or male18 or older? Certainly the woman did it with a mean spirit. So why not publish her name in the newspaper as a cuberbyllyer? Just as effective. And now that it's in the open her embarrasment should be more than enough punishment.

The law is definitely an assault on free speech. But don't forget that crying fire in a crowded theater is against free speech.


A bad law badly written. It should have been cyberbullying against anyone by anyone. By singling out someone 17 and under, it becomes unconstitutional.But Missouri is a pretty weird state with weird laws to begin with. Just the same as the state I live in, or any other state. At least my state has a tad bit of sense.
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by ferricoxide August 29, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
Ah, the "fire in a movie theatre" agument. The only reason those provisions exist is that they create an immediate and direct danger. Posting information, such as this, creates neither an immediate or direct danger. Someone has to: A) find that information; B) decide that it's not some kind of entrapment scheme; C) verify the validity of the data; and, finally, D) act upon it. That makes it neither immediate or direct.

The only things that differentiate this from someone *papering* random areas with this information is that it concerned a minor, was easily traceable and it was on teh intarwebz.
by Harrison912 August 28, 2009 3:15 PM PDT
As a web site owner of safety and security products, I hope she is prosecute. Some of my products are designed to help parents protect their children and teens from harmful people like her. Adults need to protect children not prey upon them.
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by lucifox August 31, 2009 6:03 PM PDT
And just what did she do that is 'preying' on children? You see, if I flip some ******* the bird online, I am a felon. If I do it on the bus, then nothing. Sorry, this law makes no sense at all.
by Gabey8 August 28, 2009 8:47 PM PDT
Anti-cyber-bullying legislation needs some other nickname besides "Megan's Law". That already is the nickname for the laws requiring sex offenders to register with authorities.

Having said that, I hope they throw the book at the woman who posted this ad.
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by classicvibe August 30, 2009 1:33 AM PDT
Seems the law itself is badly written in this case. But on this individual event, I think the punishment is acceptable
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by fixitrob August 31, 2009 8:55 AM PDT
The law is very wide and needs changing. This is why it's so easy to become a sex offender. A guy pisses out doors and then must register for the rest of his life. A kid (teen) receive a photo of his teen GF's breast on his cell phone and they doth have to register as sex offenders. Now this? Look she was stupid. People do stupid stuff. Should they have to register for the rest of their lives for it? If it's under Megan's Law guess what? She'll have to register for the rest of her life for this. To me that is just crazy!!
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by freemarket--2008 August 31, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
I agree about the registry crap, but I didn't see that mentioned anywhere in the article. It says "to recklessly frighten, intimidate, or cause emotional distress to that person." Nothing in there about sex crimes.
by perfectblue97 September 1, 2009 5:46 AM PDT
As far as I'm concerned this is a sex crime. One party solicited men for sex for the other part. She should be charged for pimping an under-age girl as well as for harassment. An act conducted with the intent of harassment is harassment be it a direct action against the victim or an indirect one as is the case n this instance, and pimping is pimping regardless of whether the victim is willingly being pimped.

As far as I'm concerned this woman is no better than some sleazy bar owner forcing illegals into prostitution.
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by shycelticwitch September 1, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
May you reap what you sow... and I guarantee that each and every soul on this planet WILL, and a lot sooner than they think. The subject of this article only confirms that society has sunk to it's lowest level since "civilization" began.

I don't care if you're religious or not, karma is karma. I know just as many atheists who suffer from their transgressions as I do believers. In my time on this earth I have seen first hand the consequences of bad character and bad judgement. My sympathy goes out to those who think they have gotten away with something. Your "deer in the headlights" look will be amusing to watch when you finally get back what you gave. Don't look for me, I'll be up in a high place somewhere with a bowl of salt-free popcorn watching you squirm.

As for the woman who is the subject of this article... people like that (those who act without any regard for the consequences) are the ones most likely to suffer a violent demise, or worse... a long slow painful one. It's called... collecting what is owed to you.

You can find hate-filled posts on blogs all over the internet. It seems to be the place where you can leave your good judgement, good character and civility behind and become a virtual clown with no better sense than an ape.

Strike that... I've seen apes that have more common sense than any of those brainless wonders.
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by agreddon September 27, 2009 9:42 AM PDT
Why isn't she being charged with pimping and pandering of an underage person? I think that would be a much more constitutionally-sound and simpler charge.
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