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August 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT

U.S. lags other nations in Internet speed

by Lance Whitney
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The average Internet download speed in the U.S. is slower than that in 27 other countries, according to a new report by the Communications Workers of America.

Web surfing in the U.S. averages around 5.1 megabits per second (mbps), lagging far behind top-ranked South Korea, where speeds average more than 20 mbps. In 2007, the U.S. download speed was 3.5 mbps, inching up only 1.6 mbps since then. At that rate, notes the report, it will take the U.S. 15 years to catch up with South Korea.

The CWA's 2009 Report on Internet Speeds also compared Internet performance throughout all 50 U.S. states.

The report discovered that Internet users who live in the Northeast or Mid-Atlantic regions enjoy faster speeds than those in the South or West. The five fastest states included Delaware (9.9 mbps), Rhode Island (9.8 mbps), New Jersey (8.9 mbps), Massachusetts (8.6 mbps), and New York (8.4 mbps).

States on the slow end were Mississippi (3.7 mbps), South Carolina (3.6 mbps), Arkansas (3.1 mbps), Idaho (2.6 mbps), and Alaska (2.3 mbps).

"Every American should have affordable access to high-speed Internet, no matter where they live. This is essential to economic growth and will help maintain our global competitiveness," said Larry Cohen, president of the Communications Workers of America. "Unfortunately, fragmented government programs and uneven private sector responses to build out Internet access have left a digital divide across the country."

The U.S. is the only country without a national policy to promote high-speed Internet access, noted the report. But that may be about to change.

Signed earlier this year, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act includes a provision for a national broadband plan by spring of next year and grants of $7.2 billion to bring high-speed Internet to rural and remote locations across the country.

That's a step in the right direction, said the CWA. But the organization would like to see more specific improvements.

In the report, the CWA called for such measures as an Internet infrastructure with enough capacity for 10 mbps downstream and 1 mbps upstream by 2010, tax incentives for businesses to provide faster speeds, and grants to provide computers and broadband equipment to low-income households.

The 2009 report was compiled using data from the CWA's latest Speed Matters test, which measures the time it takes to communicate with the nearest server on the Net. Gathered from May 2008 to May 2009, the test tracked the speed of more than 413,000 Internet users.

Lance Whitney wears a few different technology hats--journalist, Web developer, and software trainer. He's a contributing editor for Microsoft TechNet Magazine and writes for other computer publications and Web sites. You can follow Lance on Twitter at @lancewhit. Lance is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and he is not an employee of CNET.
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by SactoGuy018 August 25, 2009 11:10 AM PDT
I think this report is biased for one reason: here in the USA, the widely varying population density makes it very difficult to put everyone on reasonably fast broadband. This is not like Japan or Korea, where the very dense population makes if economically viable to spend the exorbitant amount of money to wire up everyone for very fast broadband access.
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by divisionbyzero August 25, 2009 12:41 PM PDT
I wish people would stop spreading this ridiculous fallacy. If deployment is function of population density, why doesn't NYC have the fastest broadband in the US? The real issue are cost to deploy and time till profit. Sometimes the cost to deploy is much worse in urban areas than rural areas.
by SactoGuy018 August 25, 2009 1:53 PM PDT
@divisionbyzero, if you're talking -public- broadband Internet access to a residence, don't forget in New York City you have a lot of legacy copper wiring to deal with--and copper wiring can only go so fast in data transfer speeds. If you're talking -corporate- broadband Internet access, New York City is actually pretty fast because many corporations send data back and forth through fiber optic lines, which has data transfers measured in -gigabits- per second.

If you look at Japan, because of the very high population density, there are enough potential users per square area of urban land that you can justify the enormous cost of upgrading all the wiring to handle very high-speed Internet. This is also true in South Korea, a country that is smaller than the majority of the states here in the USA, but has a very high population density.
by Warhaven August 25, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
You are incorrect. South Korea services broadband to nearly its entire population, from the dense industrial, to the very remote and nearly-jungle rural. They plan to have complete coverage, from top to bottom, east to west, for every single resident, within the next 10 years.

It's a lot easier for these countries to install their broadband everywhere because they don't have a preexisting infrastructure. They're building their network infrastructure from scratch, which, ironically, is cheaper than replacing an in-place infrastructure like we have in the States. The big joke is that the US gov't already gave the US telcos something like $200 billion back in 1998 in the Telecommunications Act to update our then-already-aging infrastructure. Every US citizen was supposed to have over 200 digital channels and fiber broadband... by 2006. That was three years ago, however, the telcos took the money and... well, they took it, and are only just now starting to lay fiber when its convenient for the company.
by wolivere August 25, 2009 5:10 PM PDT
I'm just north of the Border and I get 25mbps for $94 which is less then what I was paying speakeasy at $119 a month for 3mb when I was in LA. Although I can get 15mbps here for $29 which is a darn good bargin
by Dalmatian28 August 26, 2009 12:26 AM PDT
That logic will not fly because Scandinavian countries are lot less populated yet they have faster internet! I think that our government has allow service providers to run the show and they are much more interested in profit than in competing among themselves. Even countries like Russia and China have deployed 4G Wi-Max and have handsets that are operating at that speed! (egz. Yota in Russia) Our companies and their 4G are still in tasting fazes! We need FCC to start kicking ass or we will fell 50 years behind Korea. Investors in USA are in it for the short term so all they want is profit "right now"....they don't care how their decisions effect the customers or our place in the world!
by Dalmatian28 August 26, 2009 12:31 AM PDT
That logic will not fly because Scandinavian countries are lot less populated yet they have faster internet! I think that our government has allow service providers to run the show and they are much more interested in profit than in competing among themselves. Even countries like Russia and China have deployed 4G Wi-Max and have handsets that are operating at that speed! (egz. Yota in Russia) Our companies and their 4G are still in tasting fazes! We need FCC to start kicking a*s or we will fell 50 years behind Korea. Investors in USA are in it for the short term so all they want is profit "right now"....they don't care how their decisions effect the customers or our place in the world!
by Dalmatian28 August 26, 2009 12:35 AM PDT
aaah..I am sorry, I made mistake and posted twice. I couldn't see the first one. How do I remove this????
by Dalkorian August 26, 2009 9:11 AM PDT
You don't Dalmatian28, your shame is now on permanent display for all the world to see until the end of time.

No worries, it's happened to the best of us. :-)
by Random_Walk August 25, 2009 11:16 AM PDT
This just in: Average population density in the United States is far, far (did I say far?), far lower than every other country listed in that chart up there.

Call me back when Russia passes us up. Thx in advance.
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by daver208 August 25, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
I definitely agree in general although one interesting thing to note: Sweden has a population density of 20 / square kilometer, while the US has a population density of 32 / square kilometer.

I would use the cia world factbook for my citation, but since it appears to be having problems you can check :
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/countryfacts/sweden.html
vs
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/countryfacts/unitedstatesofamerica.html
by Splashes August 25, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
It's not just the density, it's the distribution. Approx. 80% of Sweden's population is clustered on the southern 40% of their coast (about 1000km), while in America approx. 50% of the population is spread along almost 9000km of coastline -- and that doesn't even include Alaska. The other 50% of US population is of course in the interior.

Bottom line: infrastructure costs per user are inherently much higher in the US.
by divisionbyzero August 25, 2009 12:44 PM PDT
Why does this fallacy keep getting repeated? It's amazing. I guess because it seems "obvious" but it has enough plausibility so that people feel smart when they say it. The real issues are cost to deploy and time till profit. Sometimes the cost to deploy is much worse in urban areas than rural areas. See my point above.
by wolivere August 25, 2009 5:15 PM PDT
Density in Canada is much less yet we have better internet speeds by far
by Hoser McMoose August 25, 2009 9:12 PM PDT
According to Speedtest.net, the source for the international data used in this study, the average speed of broadband in Russia is 8.19Mbit/s. In the United States the average was 6.79Mbit/s.

One point of note, this study used different sources for U.S. speed data vs. international data making the results highly questionable at best. The source of this study is also the Communication Workers of America union, an organization that stands to benefit from any initiatives (particularly government-funded ones) to fund broadband service in the U.S.
by Hoser McMoose August 25, 2009 9:20 PM PDT
To wolivere, unfortunately what you say is not true. Average speeds from speedtest.org, the source used for this study, put the U.S. at 6.79Mbit/s and Canada at only 5.56Mbit/s.

Unfortunately us Canadians have only ourselves to blame here. The biggest impediment to higher broadband speeds in Canada is the fact that our incumbent telecommunications operators work in a HEAVILY protected industry where foreign owned competitors are barred and new Canadian-owned entrants face significant barriers of entry thanks to our CRTC. This organization has abandoned its original mandate and evolved into a group whose purpose seems to be to protect the bottom line of our established telecom companies.
by wolivere August 29, 2009 4:56 AM PDT
@hoser mcmoose

Hoser unless you are buying the cheapest shaw, rogers or any of those, IE the $19,95 a month pack then yes you are correct. But every major ISP offers speeds over 7mb and for cheap $29 a month.

I lived in LA for over 7 years and when I got back I was like omg thank god I can get some real internet speed now.

http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/Internet/

But you are correct on one part, Ontario seams to really suck with rogers service.
by david__B August 25, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
Coming from the people (unionized COMMUNICATIONS workers) that will get most of that 7.2 billion dollars, it's not surprising they want to subsidize what people have decided they don't really need to pay for (higher speeds).

Welcome to the Obama_Union_Payback_States_of_America...
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by decypher2008 August 25, 2009 1:33 PM PDT
My problem is that those speeds shouldn't even be a problem to achieve. Weren't the telecoms paid huge amounts of money years ago to lay fiber across the country? fiber that to this day lays dark and for what? for the telecoms to decide that it is now profitable? Our tax money was paid to the telecoms for infrastructure upgrades that were never implemented. Don't blame Obama.
by sanenazok August 25, 2009 7:52 PM PDT
Telcos got government money for 10+ projects. Definitely agree that this is union study to push for more work. Guess it's better than the other option which is giving all of these Obama supporters government jobs.
by gsmiller88 August 25, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
What else is new. But as other have said, look at our population density and land mass compared to the other nations. South Korea, Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Germany could all fit within the United States, simultaneously, several times over.
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by RobertAPierce August 25, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
Yes, but how does one explain Sweden then? It has a lower density than the US, yet has higher speeds on average.
by Splashes August 25, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
See my note above regarding Sweden. Apples and oranges.
by sebastien.kalonji August 25, 2009 12:39 PM PDT
But if you divide the US into states like they do with the EU in this comparison you still have low speeds. Whatever the excuse is your looking for the US is still behind a vast majority of the world. But hey you still got more WMD's than every other country.
by wolivere August 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT
And compared to Canada? Why can you get between 15 and 99 mbps here?
by nreddyk August 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT
Lets start getting used to these kind of reports. World is zooming by in healthcare, wealth, internet etc., while we point fingers.
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by bj1126 August 25, 2009 11:38 AM PDT
LOL yeah right world is zooming by in health care huh? That why our cancer survival rates trounce everyone else?

Christ, federal planning of our internet infrastructure scares the crap out of me.
by pablonetx August 25, 2009 12:18 PM PDT
@bj1126

They are zooming by in health care. Sure the U.S. has higher survival rates on particular cancers (not all of them) but we also have the highest cancer rates as well. That is, we get cancer more than other advanced countries, all of which have universal health care. We also lead other countries in preventable diseases, such as obesity-related diabetes.
by RobertAPierce August 25, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
Oh, so now universal health care will help reduce the cancer rate? LOL ... *****.
by divisionbyzero August 25, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
@ bj1126

Uh, you, mean like the original Internet, the arpanet, and then the backbones created by NSF? That kind of Federal planning? The government created the internet. Why does ideology make some people stupid. Oh, yeah, it's a substitute for actual thought and actual understanding.
by Been_there_Saw_it_before August 25, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
We hire lawyers, the rest of the world hires engineers. Do you think there is a connection?
by wolivere August 25, 2009 5:31 PM PDT
The US has high rates for those who can get treatment, but they fail to account for all of those who can't get treatment

But that said Canada surpassed the US in cancer survival, and Cuba has the best Breast Cancer survival rates.

And no it does not take years to get care, here. Heck I needed an MRI for a non emergency and got it within a week.

But then again it depends who's report you read. The real ones or the ones put out by the insurance companies.
by sanenazok August 25, 2009 7:59 PM PDT
@wolivere oh yeah the "real reports" are by anyone other than the insurance industry.

Even if the Candian system was good you can't just drop it in. While you didn't have to wait THIS ONE TIME, on average the waits in Canada are much higher than in the US.

Find ONE thing that the US government has done that it does better than the private sector. It just doesn't exist. From package delivery to trains - the government run companies are a money loosing mess.

A good deal of the people who don't have insurance in the US didn't try to get it until they were sick. I've always paid for my health insurance, even when I was perfectly healthy and in my 20s. Good healthcare is everywhere here, people just have to budget for it. Most young adults don't give a damn to spend $200-$300 a month on health care until something goes wrong and then come crying to uncle Sam since nobody's going to cover someone that's sick. Some things should be fixed with the system, but a public version of the insurance market should be out of the question.
by TheGoBetween August 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
I am more concerned by data transfer caps than I am with the download speed. In order to use many of the next gen services listed in the report we need greater access to the wires, not the 40 to 250Gb caps ISPs impose.
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by EvanSei August 25, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
besides population density differences a big factor in keeping the U.S. slow is the fact that high speed internet is so expensive who wants to pay $139.00 for 1500 Kbps when you can get 512 Kbps for $39 (cascade networks pricing) a month which by the way is a tad on the spendy side.
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by Splashes August 25, 2009 12:42 PM PDT
Huh? Who pays $139 for 1.5mbps? I'm in a rural area and pay $45 for 3mbps. I'd happily pay for more speed but can't get it because of distance from DSLAM.
by HlLLARY CLITON August 25, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
using population density as an excuse is ridiculous, every home in the USA has a phone line but yet not every home has dsl access. No excuse for it
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by Splashes August 25, 2009 12:39 PM PDT
Wrong. DSL had a limited range from a phone company central office, where a DSL multiplexer (DSLAM) is installed:

25 Mbit/s at 1,000 feet (~300 m)
24 Mbit/s at 2,000 feet (~600 m)
23 Mbit/s at 3,000 feet (~900 m)
22 Mbit/s at 4,000 feet (~1.2 km)
21 Mbit/s at 5,000 feet (~1.5 km or ~.95 miles)
19 Mbit/s at 6,000 feet (~1.8 km or ~1.14 miles)
16 Mbit/s at 7,000 feet (~2.1 km or ~1.33 miles)
1.5 Mbit/s at 15,000 feet (4.5 km or ~2.8 miles)
800 kbit/s at 17,000 feet (~5.2 km or ~3.2 miles)

A central office is expensive to set up, and where population density is low, it can't pay for itself. Check your facts before spouting off.
by Been_there_Saw_it_before August 25, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
In my city there is a buried vault about every mile that essentially has a central office in it. They dig a hole 10x40 feet and drop a container sized concrete box in it. Prewired and fully equipped. The next day it is electrified, tested, and a few fiber optic cables to the regional center and a dozen copper cables to the nearby neighborhood. A week later it is landscaped and looks like it has been there for years. All that is visible is the access hatch, which also contains an air conditioner exhaust.

DSL at 20MB/s at your command.
by sanenazok August 25, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
@Been_there - and these magical boxes and hookups are free I presume? Also, the telcos own the city so they can build whatever whenever they want?
by clamenza August 25, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
The USA is behind on so many things, but the "patriots" think it's still the best in the world. It so happens that on both national and state levels, there's a strong correlation between religiosity, poverty, crime, (lower) life expectancy, and technological "hindrances".
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by Akiba August 25, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
And you thought this was a good place and topic for that discussion?
by gertruded August 25, 2009 1:39 PM PDT
The "patriots" that you describe are our version of the Taliban. The reason for our low broadband rate is simply the maximizing of profit by our wonderful corporations that control the country.
by Kwasiowusu August 25, 2009 3:58 PM PDT
@ clamenza :"The USA is behind on so many things, "

Like what for example?
Broadband speeds? Whether you have 4 magabits per second or 20, you'd surf at about the same speeda. Your browsing speed after a certain point, has more to do with how powerful your computer is, how much RAM etc than what your connection speed is.
For must internet users, it's of very little relevance what their connection speeds speeds are, after their connections speeds pass a certain point., if they have broadband.
I never noticed much difference in my browsing speed when I uprgaded to Verizon FIOS.

@ clamenza :""but the "patriots" think it's still the best in the world"

What patriots you talking about dude?
We still have the best technology firms on the planet, no?
We have IBM(still the greatest computer maker on the planet, fastest supercomputers, mainframes, and some of the most advanced computer chips out there),
We have Intel(still the top/biggest chip maker on the planet.
We have TI, Microsoft,(still the biggest tech firm on the planet by market cap, most profitable tech firm on the planet, top software maker on the planet, etc etc), Google, Oracle etc.
No country even comes close.

@ clamenza :". It so happens that on both national and state levels, there's a strong correlation between religiosity, poverty, crime, (lower) life expectancy, and technological "hindrances".

Now you got me puzzled. "Religiosity(whatever the heck that is), determines if someone has low life expectancy, and how much technology savy they are?
I am not even sure I know just where you are coming from, or where you wanna go with this one.
Suffice to say, that someone's religion, has nothing to do with whether they have fast broadband or not. Religious folks don't turn round and insist on using dial up if thats what you mean..

BTW, Mr Clamenza, how did ole Tessio take it when he got bumped off?
by thelemurking August 25, 2009 12:46 PM PDT
Well there is no competition in local markets. A lot of places get screwed by only having access to one phone and one cable provider. For instance, in my city, the only cable provider is Charter Communications and the only phone provider is Embarq. Charter is like the scum sucking bottom of the barrel of cable providers. I currently have the fastest they offer in my area with 10mb, but if I was to move just 20 miles away, I could be on Comcast with 20mb for the same price. Comcast does better with internet, but everyone I know complains about their channels and picture quality. It would be nice to pick which cable company I wanted instead of some city provided contract system.
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by Farthing Haypenny August 25, 2009 1:44 PM PDT
This is the best comment thus far. It is the government imposed monopolies that are at the root of the problem. They spent all of their money (and whatever they could borrow) buying up the competition rather than investing in their services. Offer a greater number of choices within each locality and in a fairly short time you will speeds increase, prices fall, and greater market saturation.
by Lerianis3 August 25, 2009 7:26 PM PDT
That's part of the problem.... no competition in the slightest in the United States because of the FCC granted monopolies.
by therobot August 25, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
I'm still on 14.4 kbit/s dialup
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by gpmoo7 August 25, 2009 12:49 PM PDT
In Canada, we have an average speed at 7.5 Mb/s ... the 3G of Rogers Wireless is almost faster.
I miss the 20 Mb/s I had in France in 2005 ... for 50$ a month (VoIP and TVoIP include).
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by Akiba August 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
It's not just density. I've seen some really poor service in US city centers while some of the new services like Verizon Fios are being implemented in the suburbs first. Seattle is a good example of this. The densest part of the region gets the worst service (Belltown - Broadstripe/Qwest 8mb advertised but often below 1mbs, while suburbs get full Comcast speed and a little fiber).

In the dense areas of the US the lines are just over saturated instead of upgraded. I live in Japan for part of each year and I have had an 100mbs connection in every place I have lived and the performance did not degrade anytime during the day. In small towns you still usually get faster and more consistent service than the best services in the US. If upgrades became more economical in the US, the broadband companies would just use the revenue to buy other companies and expand into different markets. I'm not saying they never upgrade, its just not proportional to population density and they can't even provide anything near what they advertise.
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by jscott418 August 25, 2009 1:37 PM PDT
I think some interesting points can be made. One point is that even in dense populations in other countries which means more bandwidth use. The speeds still are up there. In the US the speed tends to drop off in two ares. Extreme population area's and very low population area's. One can assume that technology is not spent in those low population area's. But why do we have poor speed in higher population area's. I think the answer is simple. Greed on the part of broadband provider's. They spend less on infrastructure improvements which translates to a stagnation of speed improvements. Their for a while this country went on a fiber optics marathon. Now it seems everyone else has continued this while we sat on our copper lines. Maybe they are waiting for the stimulus to pay for it.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 25, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
Many people are quite happy with 1.5Mb/s DSL. You can't discount that. While faster speeds may be nice, many, many, many people don't care.

If you can get 1.5Mb/s DSL for $15 a month, it's very attractive to our population, and many Telcos offer that in the dense (close to telephone relay station) population bases.

And the cost to upgrade isn't insignificant in many of these older, dense areas, with 100 year old apartment buildings. The copper can carry 1.5, the cost to upgrade would go to the building owner, and the demand isn't there for customers who'd be paying higher rent and higher fees for faster internet.
by tm_anon August 25, 2009 7:08 PM PDT
@ikramerica--2008

Please point us to those people who are happy with 1.5Mb/s DSL. I've got it right now because I can't afford more than $45 a month for internet. It's not enough to keep up with my 1.87 GHz P-4 machine.

Are these people running older hardware than me? Are they using it for nothing more than checking email and text based web pages?

As for the apartment building point you made. Ask each resident in the complex if he/she would be willing to make a contribution for installation of a fiber optic cable. Make sure to mention the prices for fiber optic internet connection in your area and how you will routinely get double the speed for less or simply get the same speed for half price (I've checked). I can guarantee fiber optics will be installed in that building and be completely paid for by the residents.

By the way, in my area and I'm sure in many others, the resident pays their own internet. There's nothing for the owner to pay. That means no need to raise the rent just because the apartment has access to fiber optics, though I'm sure some owners would do this and claim the cost of installing it.
by vladimir.orlovsky August 25, 2009 1:38 PM PDT
I like this:
`Lets start getting used to these kind of reports. World is zooming ..`
by: nreddyk August 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT
more important ly.. this is correct !
One-Very-Fresh example from the different source:
`Average SAT scores in reading and writing declined by one point this year, math scores held steady` -- http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/sat-scores-show-slight-decline-in-reading-and-writing/
so,
we are NOT improoving, but we want to live better... comical-to-patetic -VJO
/injoy reality/
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by ikramerica--2008 August 25, 2009 3:14 PM PDT
There are problems with the data.

1. It measures connected customers, not population. In many countries, only the wealthy can afford internet, but it's fast. In the USA, we've made it affordable with discount DSL, and people CHOOSE to pay $15 a month for 1.5 DSL rather than $50 a month for 10 Cable. That choice brings down the average speed, but makes it also affordable.

2. If you look at the countries ahead, as stated above most of them are either: very densely populated with city centric populations of people living in tightly packed apartment buildings (Japan, Korea, Hong Kong), or countries that are installing infrastructure for the first time, with low input and labor costs (eastern europe).

So, we should also look at cost per megabyte speed, cost per megabyte speed adjusted to annual income, and megabyte speed per citizen (not subscriber).

I don't know where the USA would come out in those charts, but it would be interesting to know.

As for Korea, it's interesting that they have such an imbalance in upload v. download speeds. They seem to be the most asynchronous nation on earth, with download speeds in the 20Mb/s, but upload speeds under 3Mb/s. This signifies a large consumption but a lack of production of internet content in that nation.
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by Kwasiowusu August 25, 2009 4:08 PM PDT
@ ikramerica--:"people CHOOSE to pay $15 a month for 1.5 DSL rather than $50 a month for 10 Cable. That choice brings down the average speed, but makes it also affordable"

Yup.
Because there is little descernible increase in browsing speeds when you go from 1.5 DSL to 10 Cable, so its not really worth it to most of the popuilation who only use their laptops just for web browsing, chatting on Yahoo IM, looking at their bank statements, recipies etc. None of that is really going to faster with a much faster broadband. Deminshing returns set in afer a point.
As for Korea, their higher speeds probably has something to do with their obsession with these MMO's, which they seem to play all day, even here in New York at these Korean internet cafe's.
by Lerianis3 August 25, 2009 7:29 PM PDT
No discernible difference? HELL NO! The fact is that when Comcast went from 6 to 10 Mbps service, I noticed the difference immediately.
by drbyte August 25, 2009 3:32 PM PDT
Doesn't matter how fast it gets with all the caps the isp's are silently running.
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by refriedfood August 25, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
Wow...just, wow. Now I know what they mean by "The internet makes you stupid."
It's black and white people, comes down to one thing and one thing only -- Greed.
There is no Obama government funding conspiracies, there is no 'lack of fiber optics', and there sure as hell isn't any relation to density.
It only has to do with controlled territory, by zipcode, and revenue.
Example; Verizon has been in dispute with Comcast (TimeWarner) for over 8 years regarding their Fios delivery and where they're allowed to set it up. Comcast/TW has had a strong hold on too many areas to name, they want to keep all the revenue for themselves in certain areas. I.e. We want to rip people off more without any interference or competition. DSL(s), T1, OC3 pose no threat.
Just picture one man owning all of the movie theatres, who is going to set the price, and how many movies will he allow you to see? Right, whatever he wants.

Korea, and all of Asia for that matter have been ahead of the US for a long time in terms of bandwidth, this is well known. Why?
Simple, one company does not have control over certain areas, it's a free market of ISPs, therefore companies actually offer more for less instead of less for more, without claims they can only provide so much.
Live there for awhile, you'll pick this up quite quick.
The only way to dispute the lack of US bandwidth will come in many forms from corporations, usually it's the claim of 'less stability' or 'lack of funding'. And frankly, with the amount of intelligence of the people who use the internet it isn't surprising people buy into it, or are simple misinformed.
It isn't going to change for along time, roots have been dug into the infrastructure and groundwork much too deep for much too long. They only people who can change it are the people, and they would need to take action which isn't going to happen, we'd rather bicker about it on cnet, etc.

My question is, why exactly has it taken CNET over 8 years to even report on this age old fact?
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by ikramerica--2008 August 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT
Calling people stupid for not going off on your tangent doesn't make your argument any better.

The reason why FiOS is not available in many places is cost, not greed. Or are you saying that it's greedy for a company not to want to lose thousands of dollars per customer?

The REASON Korea, Hong Kong, etc. have a faster backbone have been explained, you just don't want to listen. Most people in these nations with computers live in tightly packed, relatively new apartment buildings, in areas that went from having no infrastructure at all to having fast internet because they were starting from scratch. The USA and UK were on the forefront of the communication for long while, but that creates a legacy of older technology that needs to be replaced. It also creates a legacy of customers who are "happy" with what they have, especially when it's inexpensive.

Again, DSL was once $50 a month. Now it's $15. Most people are happy with 1.5 DSL. They don't host servers, they don't stream HD content, etc. Those that want to do that get cable and pay 3x as much.

But a great example of how clustered housing with relatively wealthy customers leads to faster internet in the USA is the college dormitory. US Colleges have some of the highest speed connections in the world, mainly because people are tightly packed and close to communications hubs, they have disposable income (either through wealth or government subsidy to 'study') etc. And they have a use for it.

As these students get older, they will demand faster internet in the outside world, and may be willing to pay for it. Until that time, the people who control the money (people 30-60) are generally fine with 1.5 DSL for the most part, and those who aren't are still pretty content with 10 Cable.

Personally, I'm good with 10 Cable, I just want it to be more synchronous. I want 5 up, and I get 1 up, and that sucks. But for all the talk of Korea, the vast majority there don't have 5 up either...
by t8 August 25, 2009 6:43 PM PDT
The US is behind in Internet speed and other things like Mobile usage etc.
Anyway, that is not a big problem. Their infrastructure is functional and does what most want it to do.
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by krosafcheg August 25, 2009 9:35 PM PDT
Get the latency down and move everyone to satellite. Problem solved. OK, thanks, send me the check.
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