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March 31, 2009 4:49 AM PDT

High court won't hear Virginia spam case

by Stephanie Condon

The Supreme Court on Monday said it is refusing to consider reinstating the Commonwealth of Virginia's junk e-mail law.

The court's inaction upholds an earlier ruling of the Virginia Supreme Court that Virginia's Computer Crimes Act violates First Amendment rights. The broad law prohibits the anonymous transmission of all unsolicited bulk e-mails, including those containing political, religious, or other speech protected by the U.S. Constitution.

Virginia State Attorney General Bill Mims, according to other reports, is planning to draft a new antispam law in the next General Assembly session to address constitutional concerns.

The Virginia Supreme Court's September ruling overturned the conviction of Jeremy Jaynes, the first person to be convicted of a felony under the state law. In 2005, Jaynes was sentenced to nine years in prison for sending more than 10 million junk e-mails a day.

Considered one of the most prolific spammers ever, Jaynes, according to prosecutors, made up to $24 million by selling fake goods and services via spam. He is currently serving 42 months in federal prison on an unrelated fraud conviction.

Stephanie Condon is a staff writer for CNET News focused on the intersection of technology and politics. She is based in Washington, D.C. E-mail Stephanie.
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by Lumiseon March 31, 2009 5:46 AM PDT
I laugh at that. The Supreme Court needs to relook at the stupid Const. and rewrite it.
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by Seaspray0 March 31, 2009 8:12 AM PDT
It can't be rewritten. It can be ammended (which has only occured 17 times since the original 10 bill of rights).
by SPARTAN VI March 31, 2009 8:17 AM PDT
@Lumiseon.

Forget your middle school edu-ma-cation? The supreme court only interprets and enforces the law, legislatures write the law. I believe they interpreted that First Amendment correctly in that it does infact protect spam messages, as much as I hate it. I'm confident that a little more time in the oven would allow Virginia state legislatures to hammer out a revision of the law that doesn't step on the constitution's toes. It seems religion and politics doomed this one, so exempt those spam messages... unless spammers start sending out Jesus viagra or Barak Obama ***** pumps.
by Lerianis3 March 31, 2009 11:51 AM PDT
Spartan VI gets it right: the Supreme Court only interprets and enforces the law, and on OCCASION strikes down a law if it is in violating of the First Amendment. Personally, I don't think that the First Amendment covers spamming someone with e-mail. I really don't, and I'm usually the person who doesn't like it when someone says that something ISN'T in violation of the Bill of Rights or one of it's Amendments.
by thelemurking March 31, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
Anyone know the judge's email addresses? Since they seem to be OK with spam, I wouldn't mind spending a few days signing them up for every mailing list, catalog and viagra site I can find.
by JayWes March 31, 2009 1:49 PM PDT
I suppose if someone walked up to my house every night with a 1000 watt amplifier and proceded to play bologna into my windows that this would be ok also. These spammers are driving me nuts. Two outfits in particular have been told to cease and desist but will not.
by ctusmarsius March 31, 2009 5:52 AM PDT
Once again, the Supreme Court is there to shoot us in the foot. I think the court needs to ask itself occasionally whether it is actually being useful, or whether it is being idealistic to the point of harming those it's supposed to protect. The legislature of Virginia -- the people of Virginia -- passed this law, yet power rests in a mere 9 people to overrule the will of many. Where is the popular sovereignty?
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by scdecade March 31, 2009 8:12 AM PDT
What popular sovereignty?!? The United States is a constitutional republic. This means that 9 people (SCOTUS) have the right to overrule the will of the people. Thankfully this is exactly what the founders intended. The federal government was created by the states to protect the freedom and privacy of every individual. Whether or not something is popular is irrelevant. "Popular Sovereignty" = tyranny of the mob. "constitutional republic" is supposed to equal freedom from well intended cupidity.
by ewelch March 31, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
Holy smokes what are our schools teaching children now? Dude, have you ever heard of the tyranny of the majority?

The Supreme Court protects us from the wild and crazy nonsense that would come out of Congress if there wasn't a group of nine people keeping them from producing all sorts of restrictions on our freedoms. Did you miss the previous administration's gutting of the Constitution? If it weren't for the Supreme Court, it would have been way worse. It's bad enough they didn't stand up to the shrub when they should have!

My gosh, there certainly does need to be a re-thinking of our education system.
by Lerianis3 March 31, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
ewelch gets it right. The Supreme Court is there to keep a 'tyranny of the majority' from happening in this country and to keep people's Constitutional rights from being taken from them by striking down any law that does that.
Now...... the Supreme Court has been pretty good on that... but there are sometimes where it has FAILED MISERABLY for a long period of time. Homosexuality, pedosexuality, racial rights..... the Supreme Court has been slow on these issues to realize that sexualities are inborn, thereby making ANY restrictions on ANY sexuality (regardless of the age of the participants) illegal as a violation of human rights, and they were slow on realizing that the 'Jim Crow' laws were in violation of human rights.
by gpenglase March 31, 2009 3:13 PM PDT
@Lerianis3 give us a break from your ****-propaganda. That is a good example of tyranny of the masses. Study after study shows that only between .9 and 1.4% of the population engage in homosexual sex, yet it has been promoted as a 'common' thing, 'inherent in our biology' - there is no such proof - a load of hogwash. And while the constitution should uphold the right for you to be able to practice it with another consenting homosexual of legal age if you so choose, it also is there to protect the society and instil the millenia-old institute of heterosexual marriage for the sake and good of our society. **** sexuals cannot produce children, and since the average length of a 'mature' honmosexual relationship is only four years (and this is *not* including the ****-relationships classed as casual or short term so 4 years as an average is the best it gets) they are hardly a stable environment for children to be brought up in. Yet a minority wishes to foist upon the nation changes to the constitution just so it can have it's way, without regard for 99% of the population and more importantly the next generation of children which are the guinea pigs for your social tyranny. And if you are going to legalise same-sex relationships then why stop there - by your argument doesn't everyone have the right of an in-built sexuality mechanism that shouldn't be denied - whether that be sex with a donkey, a pavement (yes it's true it did happen), a 6mth old baby, the severely mentally handicapped - by your argument really any fetish or desire should be granted equal rights in the constitution then.
by Argyll March 31, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
To Lumison:

The Constitution is NOT stupid. But the way it's sometimes interpreted is. Do yourself a favor and think for a minute before you post.
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by Seaspray0 March 31, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
I agree. The constitution is brilliant. The foundation of our government is based on it, and since we have the oldest existing government, the founders did something right.
by TheOrginalNetguru March 31, 2009 6:18 AM PDT
The populist veiw a 150 years ago was slavery is ok. Do you think that was a good populist view? Of course not. Activist judges hurt but the constitiution is their to protect minorities from the majority when it comes to very bad law. Deal with it!
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by umbrae March 31, 2009 6:51 AM PDT
This law was over-reaching, and was unconstitutional so this is a good move. SPAM is bad, but fraud laws need to be updated to handle it; not separate laws. The big spammer is already in jail for fraud, so the SPAM charges were not necessary. Otherwise, we could go to jail for any email we send to more than one person.
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by humanssssss March 31, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
Criminalizing spam is like criminalizing speech. This is more of a civil matter than anything. When people lose time because of the spam, they sue for lost productivity. Economic loss is incurred by spam and I don't see why criminalizing it would be constitutional.

The Supreme Court made the right decision.
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by Lerianis3 March 31, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
Criminalizing it would be unconstitutional, because it is like a Mormon or someone else coming to your door and trying to prosthelytize to you after you told them "I don't want you here, stay away!"
Spam is simply ILLEGAL and should always be. My mothers e-mail accounts gets LOADS of spam because she was stupid enough to sign up for a thing that she should have known was a scam........ and I'm getting tired of having to clear it out of her mailbox!
by thelemurking March 31, 2009 11:57 AM PDT
The difference is if I don't like what you have to say, I can walk away, turn the channel, change the station or hang up the phone. With spam, it comes in anonymous, it's intrusive, annoying and there's very little you can do about it. You go to unsubscribe and you just verified your email address with them and they may remove you from one list, but they will add you to 20 others.

It's against the law to put stuff in someone's mailbox without mailing it, so why treat email differently than snail mail? Why is it OK to send out bulk emails on Canadian pharmacies and how to increase the size of my *****, yet I never get those kind of things in snail mail? If bulk mail is free speech, then surely there's nothing illegal about going around shoving all sorts of junk in people's mailboxes at night while driving an unmarked car that can't be traced back to anyone... or better yet, stealing someone else's car and using it to drive around and do your dirty work.
by gpenglase March 31, 2009 3:32 PM PDT
@thelemurking let's put this in persepctive. it is just email. if you don't turn on your computer, if you don't look at it etc. it's not going to follow you around, it's not going to harass you, or jump out and bite you. it's email for goodness sake - yes lots of unwanted stuff, but the end user with any reasonable, and freely available, spam siphoning service (heck, just filter you're mail by a redirect through a yahoo or google email account) can avoid 90% of it.

I have email addresses that are 15 years old, and I use over 100 different addresses. I receive heaps of spam but it's not going to change my life in anyway. It takes me about half an hour to check the hundreds and hundreds of spam mail once a week to ensure that my spam boxes are working correctly, and if they are then I often don't bother. So, setup a spam filter, and get on with more important things in your lives, like the massive increase in homelessness or child abuse victims or stopping the people that are killing your next generation of children by promoting and conducting the hundreds of thousands of late term abortions.

It's the ISPs who actually suffer - it's their networks which get clogged unless they spend money and time holding back the huge amounts of spam from end users. And stop trying to change the constitution which as made your nation great, especially for small annoying infringements; just write better laws.
by ishmael349 March 31, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
Who says the constitution can't be rewritten? There is nothing sacred about an outdated self-serving collection of "rules". And might I add that is was written by rich White men with ulterior motives. Its time to stop pretending that we somehow know what the writers intended. They might have been intelligent for their time, but they're dumb now! What does freedom of speech have to do with send spam to an account that I pay for? Tradition os nice but not when its used as an excuse to avoid working to create something better.

If isp's charges once cent per email nobody would be hurt but spammers. Require all email to have the originators return address to where unwanted can be bounced.
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by Lerianis3 March 31, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
Wrong! There is something sacred about at least the first 10 Amendments, though I think that the ONE Amendment has to be clarified to mean that NO religious involvement in government or support of religions, with dollars or otherwise, is okay.
The fact is these things are pretty well written.... it's is the Supreme Court, in their infinite STUPIDITY who are taking these free-speech things too far. Religious spam? Okay. Business spam? Not okay. FRAUD SPAM? THROW THE PERSON IN JAIL WITHOUT NO TRIAL.

I actually agree that e-mail should have the original address of the person who sent it, that cannot be 'faked' in any manner..... however, that would take a complete rewrite of the protocols that are used for e-mail and updating of the e-mail servers and e-mail applications that consumers and businesses use.
by Dalkorian March 31, 2009 4:25 PM PDT
Retardicans like you who think nothing more of our Constitution than "an outdated self-serving collection of 'rules'" written on some old piece of paper really tick me off. Introduce yourself to people on the street and make that view known and watch how many of us beat the ever loving snot out of you for showing our great nation that level of disrespect. Better yet, move to China or maybe Cuba. They have no respect for our Constitution either.

Then I got to the "isp's charges once cent per email" idiocy and realized I'm not even dealing with a mentally handicapped person here, I'm dealing with a retardican troll. May the overpass you live under crumble and crush your pathetic troll body late one night because of the deterioration our infrastructure has suffered under your "great divider's" time in office. Trust me, no one will ever miss someone like you.
by mike_ekim March 31, 2009 11:33 AM PDT
We have a do not call list. We need a do not spam list, and a way to report the spammers who don't pay attention to the list. How about a $1 fee each time spam is sent to someone on that list, payable to the recipient? That will address the loss of productivity.
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by Dalkorian March 31, 2009 4:27 PM PDT
Discover how to track the spam back to the source and not just to the poor guy who caught yet another winblows virus that turned their computer into another zombie and you'll be the world's hero. Otherwise, it's easy to argue that you're trying to punish one of the victims.
by charodon March 31, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
It should be noted that what the Supreme Court did here was deny certiorari, which means they refused to review the Va. Supreme Court opinion -- they didn't "uphold" the decision or pronounce the Virginia law unconstitutional. Denying cert. means the US Supreme Court had no comment on the lower court decision either way.
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by hadaso March 31, 2009 2:42 PM PDT
The main problem with anti-spam law is that they don't address the real problem. The problem is not the "speech" but the way it is broadcasted by stealing the recipient's communication medium that the recipient has alloted for person to person communications and using it as a broadcast channel without permission (and without paying the owner of the channel for the costs incurred, which though are small, add up to millions when hundreds of millions of copies are sent). Anti-spam laws should not disallow sending advertising material but rather regulate it by placing requirements on the way they can be broadcasted. One requirement can be that broadcasting a message through an electronic/digital medium that is meant primarily for person to person communications would only be allowed if the sender has knowledge of the identity of the recipient (that is having an email address would not be enough. The sender should be required to have proof that they have the full name of the recipient. And the sender should also be required to prove that sending to multiple addresses of the same recipient was actively avoided. That is the senders of bulk mail should be required to invest resources in maintaining their mailing lists. That would be a hurdle to sending bulk mail to lists of just addresses. I'm sure there are other aspects of sending spam that can be regulated, but my main point is that anti-spam laws should not forbid speech but rather restrict the use of mediums that are paid for by the recipient as broadcast mediums and place a price tag on such uses.

BTW, Israel added a new anti-spam clause to its communications act that became active on December 1st 2008, and that sets a fine of about $250 on each piece of unsolicited advertising (by email/phone/fax) without need to prove damages, and makes the advertiser (the one whose product/service is being advertised) responsible for paying such fines, and spam from Israeli spammers to Israeli recipients stopped almost completely on Decmeber 1st and since then there is almost no such spam.
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