• On TechRepublic: Windows 7 keyboard shortcut cheat sheet
January 28, 2009 12:00 PM PST

House rejects DTV delay, keeps Feb. switchover

by Stephanie Condon
  • Font size
  • Print
  • 77 comments

The national transition to digital television remains on track for a scheduled date of February 17, after the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday rejected a proposal to delay the switchover.

The House vote of 258 to 168 failed to meet the two-thirds threshold required to pass the measure under the rules the Democratic leadership put in place for Wednesday's debate. The vote comes just two days after the Senate unanimously approved pushing back the transition to June 12. President Obama's advisers have also advocated delaying the transition.

Republicans opposed the delay, saying pushing back the date would create confusion for consumers and burden television stations that would have to continue broadcasting both analog and digital signals.

Proponents of the delay have warned that millions of consumers will be left without television service if the transition is not postponed.

Nielsen reports that more than 6.5 million U.S. households are still not prepared for the transition. Moreover, millions of consumers are still waiting for coupons for digital converter boxes from the National Telecommunications and Information Administration, which ran through the $1.3 billion allocated for the coupons. A Senate panel on Tuesday approved an additional $650 million for the coupon program as part of its so-called "stimulus" package.

John Rockefeller, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, said in a statement after the vote that he was "deeply disappointed" and claimed that the Bush administration "grossly mismanaged" the program.

Stephanie Condon is a staff writer for CNET News focused on the intersection of technology and politics. She is based in Washington, D.C. E-mail Stephanie.
advertisement
 
Business supplies and services can get expensive. Get smart spending tips and learn about new cost-saving opportunities for your business
Recent posts from Politics and Law
Confidential 9/11 pager messages disclosed
IBM staffer posts pics on Facebook, loses benefits
Congress may probe leaked global warming e-mails
Spain mandates affordable broadband for all
Town to photograph every car that enters and leaves
Dot-com thinking for D.C.: Expert Labs debuts
FCC discusses barriers to national broadband plan
What Intel just bought for $1.25 billion: Less risk
Add a Comment (Log in or register) Showing 1 of 2 pages (77 Comments)
by gopnick January 28, 2009 12:24 PM PST
Thank goodness there are 168 people in the U.S. House with at least half a brain.

All of the money that has been spent to educate the public would be wasted. President Obama needs to understand that television isn't a constitutional right that he must protect. If folks are too stupid to pay attention and get the DTV convertor box after all this time, they'll just have to live with an FM radio.
Reply to this comment
by Zen-Masta January 28, 2009 12:48 PM PST
Gopnick took the words right out of my mouth man. I didn't know until this article that it required 2/3 vote so good thing for that.
by assman January 28, 2009 2:19 PM PST
Completely agree. The senate must be full of morons, can't believe they agreed to another delay after all this. It would end up costing more to delay than it would to supply all the converter devices to people who need it. Lets get this over with so we can make some progress.
by XxDonnyxX January 28, 2009 2:19 PM PST
150% agree! Now I don't have to type all that. :) Brainless People=No TV
by sobishop January 29, 2009 9:13 AM PST
Did I read that right? 6.5 million households still use an antenna? Those people are barely watching TV anyways so who gives a crap if they procrastinate and wait till the last minute to finally upgrade, that is their problem not the country. I am ready for my local channels on my satellite to stop looking like **** because they are broadcast in analog.
by paulsecic January 29, 2009 10:16 AM PST
If Congress exteneded the transition to June 4 million people still wouldn't get of their duffs & buy a TV or box. Screw em!
by kojacked January 29, 2009 12:13 PM PST
+1

It's nice to see our tax dollars not wasted for once. Some people forget that sometime life is just not fair... (and sometimes people need to get off their lazy butts and not wait until the last minute.)
by joevai52 January 29, 2009 12:42 PM PST
I also agree. While I think that this transition has been grossly mismanaged, I don't think that the transition should be delayed unless they can come up with concrete plans on how to avoid these same problems in June. Since I'm positive they can't do that, there is no point in delaying the transition. Whenever the transition occurs, these same problems will manifest themselves. Just treat this like removing a band-aid: do it quickly and get the pain over with. If they take care of it now, any problems that arise will be taken care of within a relatively short period of time. If they continue delaying this it will only cost more money... something our government can not afford.
by AlanHub January 29, 2009 7:23 PM PST
sobishop, just because you dont enjoy public television or you are wealthy enough to afford cable. Don't berate these people please.
by embeddedprogrammer January 28, 2009 12:35 PM PST
Wonderful. We need less of a nanny state. Some people should maybe read a book instead of watching tv.
Reply to this comment
by rmva January 28, 2009 12:38 PM PST
The two-thirds rule is a way to expedite non-controversial items. Because a majority voted in favor, the leadership will just bring it up under Regular Order later in the week.
Reply to this comment
by Hep Cat January 28, 2009 3:31 PM PST
I see at least one commenter was paying attention in Civics class. The folks here rejoicing that the bill failed probably enjoy paying a lot of money for cable and don't understand that the "airwaves" in question belong to the people of the United States, are administered by the government, and should be as accessible as possible.

Meanwhile, House Republicans are enjoying fat perks and buddying with cable company lobbyists. Yay for "Democracy by Lobby"!
by homercles82 January 29, 2009 11:27 AM PST
Hep Cat you do not need cable or satellite to get the digital transmission. You need a newer TV or one of thse $90 boxes. And if the airwaves are free why is it that democratic congress and president created the FTC which will not allow me to freely b roadcast across the FM spectrum?

All House and Senate members are enjoying perks from whatever lobbyist is passing out money.
by joevai52 January 29, 2009 12:45 PM PST
Oh, I know that this is still likely to pass, but above I was just agreeing that it's nice to see that not everyone believes that waiting will make the problems go away. They will go away faster if the just make the transition already. Besides, I'm really not looking forward to another five months of those stupid "are you ready for the transition" commercials or the stupid text overlays which always end up blocking something I'm trying to see.

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that something will change and this will not pass.
by ITcomposer January 28, 2009 12:40 PM PST
Amen to that brother;

Quite frankly if you don't have cable or sat tv you knew that this was coming, the lettering was on the wall, and yet TV Stations across the country keep running stories of little old ladies, that are upset they now have to go out and buy a box so they can keep watching tv and have to pay retail because they were too lazy to order their coupon on time, i mean seriously what were you expecting a goverment employee coming to your house to hand u the coupon personally?

PS: Ok, so they kinda underestimated the amount of people out there without cable, this will be fixed, with the stimulus, onward with digital!

Techyworkz
Reply to this comment
by knicksfan3399 January 28, 2009 12:41 PM PST
I agree with you..Why push it back after so much time and money has been spent already. In this world you can't wait for the few to catch up. The 6 million who wont have a tv need to learn to read, listen and react...We can't baby you anymore.
Reply to this comment
by pentest January 29, 2009 10:41 AM PST
Catch up to what? A digital transmission of the same old crap?

If Americans think that is progress, then we are in worse shape than anyone realizes.
by photogeek69 January 28, 2009 12:43 PM PST
It is just amazing how the former adminastration pushes for this thing, then when it runs out of money the gov't just goes oh well too bad. Remember when tv was free. What the hell is happing in this country.
Reply to this comment
by RichemXX January 28, 2009 12:59 PM PST
The problem is the program shouldn't have needed all that money to begin with. The mass amounts of misinformation regarding the change over caused millions of people that didn't need and won't actually use their converter to panic and order coupons. If those people would have taken their heads out of their "blanks" long enough to find that out we wouldn't need to have this discussion.

TV is still free, the 10-12 channels that are out there anyways. You just need to buy a box and in some cases a better antenna to get them.
by 8301 January 28, 2009 1:06 PM PST
I'm sure there were also many who applied for a coupon despite having plenty of money to cover one or two digital converters. As I recall, the coupons were originally intended for those who couldn't afford the converters.
by sanenazok January 28, 2009 1:16 PM PST
TV is free today. TV reception equipment was never free. What's happening in this country is people feel entitled to everything without bothering with learning about anything.
by January 28, 2009 5:02 PM PST
They broke something that didn't need fixing so yea...they should have to pay for my box.
by homercles82 January 29, 2009 11:28 AM PST
TV is free, televisions are not.
by loose_screw January 28, 2009 12:43 PM PST
Thank goodness! Do it already!
Reply to this comment
by msjonker January 28, 2009 12:46 PM PST
Americans need to learn that there are consequences for their actions (or lack thereof). We need to stop building in all these safety nets for people with their head in the sand. There is no reason to delay the transition.
Reply to this comment
by timber2005 January 28, 2009 7:15 PM PST
I think you have said it best. *cookie*

Time for people to start listening, and start thinking of their priorties. Get up, get out, and get informed.
by efeatherston January 28, 2009 12:54 PM PST
Amazing how both democrats and republicans voted against this, but the article only mentions republican opposition to it.
Reply to this comment
by markdoiron January 28, 2009 1:55 PM PST
22 Republicans voted for the bill, while 155 voted against it. Among House Democrats, 236 voted for the bill and 13 voted against it.
by j1shalack January 28, 2009 12:56 PM PST
The best estimates say about 27 million people use antennas.

$1.6 Billion divided by $40 per coupon = 40 million coupons
What happened to all those coupons if we are 6.5 million short?
Reply to this comment
by efeatherston January 28, 2009 12:58 PM PST
I remember reading that the coupons were distributed, but not all of them were redeemed, so they still have outstanding coupons that could potentially be re-deemed. Quite honestly, if they haven't redeemed it, or dealt with this already, too bad. We need to start treating people like responsible adults.
by dracoaffectus January 28, 2009 1:34 PM PST
Not that it makes much difference, but the article says they allocated $1.3 Billion for coupons.

$1.3 Billion divided by $40 per coupon = 32.5 million coupons.

Which obviously still should have been enough, but by a narrower margin than you calculated.
by Hey_Radar January 28, 2009 1:43 PM PST
People with Cable/Satellite got coupons too.
by martin_c_e January 28, 2009 5:38 PM PST
It is $1.3 Billion divided by $40 = 32.5 million coupons but each applicant could ask for 2 leaving 16.25 million coupons minus the costs of the program (our government at work). The first phase allowed anyone to get coupons, antenna only or cable/satellite. The first phase had a low request rate and expired coupons had to expire before another could be issued and millions expired and now we wait for the next 90 days to expire. Americans all just waited til the last minute.
by tigrzeye January 29, 2009 6:09 AM PST
Some I'm sure went to the "get anything for free" people. I have been in line for free tickets to local country concerts given out by a local FM station, and have heard people ask what are they giving away? When told what country artist the tickets are for they respond "don't know who that is, but hey they're free". They didn't need them, may not use them, but hey it was free!!!

Then there are the make a buck people. Get it free, sell it on eBay. They got the coupon, used it to buy a converter box at a discount, and then sell the converter box on eBay for retail price.
by digitalmemories January 28, 2009 1:00 PM PST
Right On!! All of those people who waited until after January 1st to request their $40 coupon "should have known" that the government funding for this program would run out and they would be left standing in a waiting line for coupons. Let's get real people . . . . this was a mis-managed program from the start (as we can now all see). So what's wrong with allowing a "little extra time" to set things right?? I am a cable subscriber so this really doesn't affect me at all, but for all of you who are getting down on "little old ladies" . . . hey . . . have some heart. My Mom's 81 years old and can barely dial a telephone correctly, let alone talk to someone about a digital-to-analog converter. I'm sure you all have Mom's as well. Most of them are probably a little more techno-savvy than mine, but there are probably millions out there that are not. June is NOT that far away!!
Reply to this comment
by tmaxula January 28, 2009 2:05 PM PST
There is no reason to back up the date. People that have an older Mom need to go over to her home and help her figure it out. Backing up the date just means that people who should have already helped will have more time to sit around and wait for the next deadline. I guarantee you when their TV does not work they will figure it out.
by l-case January 28, 2009 2:14 PM PST
This has been 10 years in the making. Go help your Mom with the change over.
Typical Democrat response.
by homercles82 January 29, 2009 11:29 AM PST
You are playing with emotions and not realizing that the "little delay" that Democrats have been askign for will also cost another $650 million dollars.

It is not worth it.
by mandelbomb January 29, 2009 12:49 PM PST
If there is a delay, then all the multi-millions of dollars in advertising stating that Feb 17 was the shut-off date will have gone to waste, and only add to the confusion!
by Bobzilla033 January 29, 2009 2:15 PM PST
@ digitalmemories,

Yes, we all do have mothers, however, some of us, like responsible human beings, went over and made sure that they got what they needed before the time came. How about you spend some time helping your mom out and less time complaining about it on CNET? The people that do not have a converter by now deserve to lose their tv. I am tired, as a taxpayer, of footing the bill because people are lazy and ignorant.
by mmcgann11 January 28, 2009 1:10 PM PST
This delay will waste a great deal of money, mess up any number of local first responders who bought radio equipment that they expected to use in less than three weeks.

Sorry folks, I'm a D ? and a liberal one at that ? but ever since I wrote Home Theater magazine's cover story on HDTV (and yes, I've written for CNET, too)? in January, 1999, the word has been out there about these issues. If people didn't convert in a timely manner, too bad. Were I in the House, I would have voted no as well.

The federal government has much bigger issues to deal with ? and stalling this transition for four months isn't going to help anyone.
Reply to this comment
by Hep Cat January 28, 2009 3:36 PM PST
"ever since I wrote Home Theater magazine's cover story on HDTV (and yes, I've written for CNET, too)? in January, 1999"

Yeah, and screw those old people when their TV doesn't work! They shoulda been reading Home Theatre magazine, or watching television for ten hours a day so they'd know about the switchover!

Reminder: Some people in rural and urban areas alike use TV sparingly. They may never have seen the ads about the switchover, or aren't sure what to do, or simply discount the whole thing. Yeah, we've known for ten years this was coming - and eight of those years were during one of the most inept administrations ever - so I think Obama's team needs a little extra time to do-over all the screwed up Bush 'initiatives' that weren't done right the first time.

We have a database of EVERYONE served by the post office. Send them all a note and give them six months. Then switch over so Larry and Sergey can have their white space.
by applusr January 28, 2009 6:37 PM PST
Actually they have had adds on PBS about the change over for about 1 year and half now.
by homercles82 January 29, 2009 11:31 AM PST
Blaming this on the BUsh administration is so idiotic. This has been ongoing since the Clinton administration.

The CHANGE is coming whether you HOPE it doesn't or not.
by capncrunch1 January 28, 2009 1:13 PM PST
ITcomposer I disagree with you. I dont think they underestimated at all. It seems to me that people requested the coupons that don't really need them. Just as an example a local dj was commenting this morning on this story and said that his plasma tv in the family room was good for digital and his big screen tv in the den was good for digital and the flat screen he had in the bedroom was all set but he got the coupons for the analog tvs in his kids bedrooms. I mean, come on, cough up the extra 80 bucks for the two converter boxes and let the assistance go to those that might really need it.
Reply to this comment
by louwest January 28, 2009 1:32 PM PST
I agree it's time to convert. There is the concern for the elderly that don't have the ability or money to get the converter box and didn't understand exactly what was happening. Many have no families to help and thousands are in nursing homes. This is their primary means is stimulus. The thing is another few months probably won't change much. Until the signal is gone and people are forced to make the conversion will they actually do it.
Reply to this comment
by martin_c_e January 28, 2009 5:46 PM PST
Nursing homes all have cable; they do not need to convert anything. And here's a question for everybody: does being elderly make you stupid (everybody acts like it does).
by whiplash55 January 28, 2009 1:37 PM PST
If the idiots aren't aware of the transition at this point, a few extra months won't make a difference. That transition message has been in our face for months. If they haven't managed to see it yet they won't by June.
Reply to this comment
by Greg5A January 29, 2009 8:24 AM PST
Amen to that. The TV stations have been running warnings for months about the pending change to digital. We got our coupons and converter boxes in plenty of time.

By the way, the converters work fine and deliver a much-improved picture for our over-the-air channels. The only problem is the local PBS station, which is the only station in town that still hasn't converted to HD. A PBS spokesperson was quoted in today's newspaper saying that the station is thinking of waiting until June so "our viewers" have plenty of time to make the switch, etc. Sounds bogus to me.
by mpitogo January 28, 2009 1:47 PM PST
Yes! Its about time. I'm ready bring it on.
Reply to this comment
by doogie9999 January 28, 2009 1:50 PM PST
I'm not sure what the big deal is. It IS possible to live without TV.

If the problem was related to something critical to people's lives (like heat for their homes) then I can see the fuss.

Do the cutoff already. For the people that absolutely need their TV, this will speed up adoption of the new boxes, coupon or no coupon.
Reply to this comment
by daviddiel January 28, 2009 1:53 PM PST
Simple question here: Why does it cost $650 million to provide $40 coupons to 6.5 million people? Who keeps the extra $60 per person?
Reply to this comment
by mgarc1125 January 28, 2009 2:37 PM PST
It's pretty much wasted in government bureaucracy...which is why our government is trillions of dollars in debt.
by mrcheck1 January 28, 2009 1:57 PM PST
Plan: Warn everybody when the transition is coming. Offer coupons to anyone who asks for them for the converter boxes. Switch over on Feb 17th, 2009.

Implementation: Money runs out for the coupons. Millions of people are still waiting on them who applied in plenty of time to receive them and be prepared for the change, however those coupons are pending additional funds or expiration of already issued coupons.

Result: Even though you ordered a coupon in plenty of time to get one, we (government) messed up and ran out of money. Oops. Oh well. Hope you like listening to the radio instead. Maybe we'll get you one of those coupons later. Or you could just go buy one yourself. The economy is booming so you should have plenty of expendable income laying around, right? What's that? The President and the Senate think we should extend the deadline for 4 months? Hogwash. Less than half the House obviously knows way better than the rest of the house and those other clowns. Move forward with the transition anyway. Didn't you hear what a resounding success it's been in the test cities?

Now, on the other hand, if the coupon program didn't have a waiting list and there were still millions of people not prepared for the transition, too bad. Go ahead and swtich anyway. Just doesn't seem right though to say "Coupons! Get Your Coupons Here! What's that? You want one? Sorry, we're all out. Coupons! Get Your Coupons Here!".
Reply to this comment
by martin_c_e January 28, 2009 5:51 PM PST
applying for a coupon in January 2009 is not in plenty of time. I applied in late February 2008 and had them on April 2. Let's do it on February 17, 2009 and this way the procrastinators will get the point. Most likely they do not need a converter anyway.
by dracoaffectus January 28, 2009 2:08 PM PST
Seems to me like the part of the problem could have been people unnecessarily ordering coupons, because they thought they needed them. I'm sure many people with cable or satellite didn't pay attention to the commercial well enough to understand that they wouldn't need a converter box.

It also just occurred to me that the government set up the coupon program backwards. Instead of paying for every coupon that gets sent out, they should have made it like a mail-in rebate for retailers who sell the boxes. So that way they only pay for the coupons that get used.

Also, whose bright idea was it to put a 60 (or was it 90?) day expiration date on the coupons?? they should have made the expiration date for all coupons well past the transition date.
Reply to this comment
Showing 1 of 2 pages (77 Comments)
advertisement

Let the battle for holiday gadget shoppers begin

Retailers try different strategies for competing with behemoths like Amazon and Wal-Mart in the cutthroat competition to lure those giving electronics as gifts.

Firefox hopes to one-up IE with fast graphics

Windows 7 features called Direct2D and DirectWrite will speed up Internet Explorer 9 performance. But Firefox hopes it might retool for the same benefit first.

About Politics and Law

News at the intersection of technology, politics, and law, ranging from intellectual property to censorship to tech policy.

Add this feed to your online news reader

Politics and Law topics

advertisement
advertisement

Inside CNET News

Scroll Left Scroll Right