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January 26, 2009 5:19 PM PST

Senate OKs delay of digital-TV transition

by Stephanie Condon

Overcoming partisan divisions, the Senate on Monday night unanimously voted to delay the digital-television transition until June 12.

Senate Republicans earlier this month blocked a bill to delay the national switch from analog television broadcasting to digital broadcasting, which was originally scheduled for February 17. The so-called DTV Delay Act, though, was brought back to the Senate floor after Democrats and Republicans in the Senate reached a compromise.

The approved bill would allow television stations to switch to digital signals before the June 12 deadline if they are ready, for the vacated spectrum to be allocated to public safety services. The coupon program to subsidize digital converter boxes is also extended under the legislation, allowing consumers with expired coupons to apply for new ones. Since the coupon program ran out of money, hundreds of thousands of consumers have been waiting for a coupon.

"I firmly believe that our nation is not yet ready to make this transition at this time," said Sen. John Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), chairman of the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. "The Senate acted responsibly to give the Obama administration time to attempt to bring order to a mismanaged process."

The House Energy and Commerce Committee is scheduled to review its own version of the digital-TV delay bill Tuesday morning.

Stephanie Condon is a staff writer for CNET News focused on the intersection of technology and politics. She is based in Washington, D.C. E-mail Stephanie.
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by quiekaos January 26, 2009 5:38 PM PST
What is DTV? Disney?
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by timber2005 January 26, 2009 7:53 PM PST
DigitalTV. No longer will analogue broadcasts work.
by The1egend January 27, 2009 8:01 AM PST
No its Discovery.
by Argyll January 26, 2009 5:52 PM PST
Glad to see the delay and that it was UNANIMOUS.

I don't know what IDIOT in Washington decided that switching in the middle of the winter was very smart, but he/she ought to be left out in the cold for a few hours until they figure it out!
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by 3rdalbum January 26, 2009 6:47 PM PST
I don't understand why switching in the middle of the winter is a bad idea. The radio waves don't care what the season is, and you don't have to go outside to install a set-top-box (it uses your existing aerial connection).

The longer the transition takes, the more costly and painful it will be. Just cut off the analogue signals already, or you'll end off like Australia where, at the current rate, we'll have completed the digital transition during the year 2029. The politicians in Australia have already pushed it back from 2009 to 1014.
by timber2005 January 26, 2009 7:55 PM PST
@3rd, the reason is is the installation of the tower transmitters. They had to be as close to the transition date as possible. Ones in the raleigh area were in december around christmas time, finishing up in feb. This kind of weather (windy, icy, rainy) doesn't condone to getting high (hundreds of feet) tower work and lifting done quickly and easily.
by kossorihana January 26, 2009 8:24 PM PST
i thought the middle of winter thing was about people getting upset about missing the new season of heroes. srsly lol!

flame me , i don't care, i just though i'd share my own personal fail :)
by ralfthedog January 26, 2009 8:46 PM PST
"flame me , i don't care, i just though i'd share my own personal fail :)"

kossorihana, You are a cat sniffer!

I would think June would be a much more dangerous time. June has many more tornadoes than February.
by solitare_pax January 27, 2009 2:40 AM PST
Face it - any time of the year is a bad time to switch. But given the option between fixing an antenna in a winter blizzard or a summer thunderstorm, I'd take the summer.

And I'd wait for a sunny day too.
by sevenalive January 26, 2009 6:01 PM PST
Damn it, i am tired of seeing the stupid commercials already. ***, F*ck the coupons. TV isn't a human right, people can afford a stupid box for a lousy $40 bucks. That won't even help them, they need a new antenna anyway, i think VHF the square one. How much has been wasted due to this bill? All those commercials will need to remade and air for another 5 months, which costs $$$. Who are the idiots who approved this so i can backhand them?
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by philiplane January 26, 2009 6:21 PM PST
I thought the delay was stupid...until I read your comment. Even you, a supposedly educated consumer, did not get all the information. You don't need a digital antenna to get the digital signal. Anyone who says you do is trying to sell you something. Digital television is going to broadcast over part of the spectrum that we're using for analog. The antenna doesn't know the difference. When even the members of society who know about the transition don't have the facts right, there's no reason to delay the transition. Now I think it's moronic.
by jaxstephens January 27, 2009 12:02 PM PST
Philiplane,

You wrote, "I thought the delay was stupid...until I read your comment."

Love it. Love it. That cracked me up.
by bmw013090 January 26, 2009 6:10 PM PST
This is absolute crap. If people cared to get educated enough to find out what a spectrum waster analog was, they would understand how many services and how their security could be enhanced. This is absolute bull. If you haven't gotten a box by now, then your tv should go to "snow."
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by BigGuns149 January 26, 2009 7:56 PM PST
Good point. It isn't like Congress all of a sudden came up with the idea to move TV to digital. The transition was about a decade in the making and would have happen years earlier were it not for the idiots who don't realize that the transition is going to benefit public safety by giving public safety agencies additional frequencies that they can use.
by forestryee January 27, 2009 4:42 AM PST
But what the government didn't do was actually test these signals in real world settings before they decided to do it. Even some of the early articles and FCC posts admitted as much. But they don't really want people to know that. They don't bring it up often anymore.
These signals absolutely do not work as well as the analog signals. They do not travel as far, they do not go through blockades as well, and they can degrade just enough even in the wire from the antenna to the TV to be unusable. Until the signals can be propagated well enough to replicate analog coverage, this transition simply should not happen.
by sanenazok January 27, 2009 7:59 AM PST
@forestryee: do you have anything to back this up?? Sure in outlying areas that never had good analog reception, there will be bad digital reception. People can watch analog even with a lot of snow, but not even a middle-quality dtv signal. This is just part of the technology.
by forestryee February 6, 2009 11:25 AM PST
@sanenazok: follow the links for support of my statements:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/13901.cfm
http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_75.pdf - This shows that the tests hadn't been completed by 2001; the government voted in 1996 to free up the airwaves. Originally, the transition was supposed to take place in 2002.
There have been others, which have probably been archived. I would gladly try to find more.

For the record, I get perfect/very good reception on several of my stations at home, but since most changed their channel assignments, it does not do me much good. If most kept their original assignments, I would have more than one channel to watch. This was just not properly administered and the government should be held accountable.
by SanDiegoD January 26, 2009 6:18 PM PST
This switchover to digital was supposed to occur in 2007, and has already been delayed until Feb-2009. PAY ATTENTION! There is no one in this country for whom the switchover timeline next month should be a surprise. If you're too stupid to pay attention until just now, then you deserve to lose your signal and read a book instead.
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by BigGuns149 January 26, 2009 7:57 PM PST
Actually if you dig up really old articles the digital switchover was supposed to have happened even earlier than that so I am really confused at how there are so MANY people who don't know what is going on around them.
by The1egend January 27, 2009 8:16 AM PST
The people that the government is concerned about are the people who don't read these forums, the people that aren't internet savvy, the people that really probably have NO CLUE about what is going on. You may know some of them, they're probably your parents or grandparents. They see an article in the NEWSPAPER (since they read those antiquated things) and it talks about this technology digital thingy and they skip right through it. The problem is that they probably won't ever take notice until their television is just a snow box.
by techman21 January 27, 2009 9:05 AM PST
AMEN
by Voice2Hear January 26, 2009 6:32 PM PST
What I don't understand? Why in the world is the government legislating how we watch TV? A bunch of politicians made some serious cash under the table on this deal...
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by BigGuns149 January 26, 2009 8:04 PM PST
Ummm... have you been under a rock for the last 5 years? The move to digital frees up frequencies for public safety to use.
by assman January 26, 2009 7:10 PM PST
Idiots. how many times are they going to delay this? JUST DO IT. We are READY. This is ridiculous.
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by Freiheit13 January 26, 2009 8:50 PM PST
We are ready as long as million of people (who DO own digital receivers) don't want to watch television ever again. I live about 35 miles east of Los Angeles, surely one of the biggest broadcasting centers of the world, and with my digital receiver I receive exactly 2 stations with my antenna in one position and two others with my antenna in another position. Digital over the air television is junk as far as I'm concerned.

And to the other poster, yes some politicians did get paid very well to push this one through.
by egarc--2008 January 26, 2009 9:10 PM PST
@Freiheit13: When the switch-over finally happens, the broadcasters will increase the power of the digital signals. You should have better reception when this is finally over.
by assman January 26, 2009 9:19 PM PST
I use an OTA antenna with my laptop to watch HD digital content on my laptop using vista media center. Yes, it is difficult to get good reception sometimes, but digital is far superior to the analog signal. Obviously HD content is better than SD, but the picture is free of snow or noise -- you either get the full data signal or you don't. Not to mention, the audio quality is higher too.

Your reception for digital should be about the same as analog. The difference is that using analog you can accept a degraded signal more gracefully. If you don't get a good signal, get a new antenna or use a direct cable connection. If TV owners care enough about it to complain, they should be able to spend a couple dollars on an upgrade every once in a while.
by forestryee January 27, 2009 4:48 AM PST
egarc--2008: That is not neccessarily true: many stations are broadcasting at the maximum 1million watts right now. Actually for many, it is simply a matter of time before the brand new equipment starts to degrade and so will signals to people like Freiheit13.
(I am in a similair situation, in Southern Indiana, where I get 10 analog signals from Indy/Louisville, but only 1 good and 2 sometimes watchable signals from Loiusville.) All the stations from Louisville have informed me that they are currently broadcasting at full power. So short of a 70-80 foot antenna I may lose all reception in a few years. Hopefully, we can make enough noise at the government after the transition to have them help with translater towers all over the US.
by sanenazok January 27, 2009 8:02 AM PST
@Freiheit13 A giant so what? Is anyone entitled to watch 30 channels of free TV? It's the broadcaster's responsibility to ensure that their viewing public continues to have access to the programs, which rely on eyeballs and advertising. A government delay of the inevitable won't change things. It seems like you need to invest in some better antennae or to dust off the library card. I basically have time for 15 minutes of TV watching a day (morning news from Europe on a DTV channel -Wordview).
by ywkhgqo January 26, 2009 7:18 PM PST
JUST DO IT. Again there was no reason to delay it. People aren't going to be any more ready. Ugh this makes me so angry. Its so typical
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by almz25x January 26, 2009 7:36 PM PST
Come on people! I'm 60 years old. The day the coupons were made available on the Internet I applied for two. The day after they arrived I drove into town and bought an RCA converter box ,a Magnavox converter box., and two $19.95 RCA indoor television antennas. Later that day I installed said equipment and went from receiving 4 channels to receiving 29 channels on one set and 27 on the other. It's not that hard.
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by timber2005 January 26, 2009 7:58 PM PST
Weren't they one per house?
by El_Mikee January 26, 2009 8:27 PM PST
"Weren't they one per house?"

It´s two $20 coupons, that you can use any way you want; use both for one box, or one for each box...
by forestryee January 27, 2009 4:49 AM PST
No, it's two $40 coupons.
by iamcgw January 26, 2009 7:42 PM PST
If you can't figure out how convert after all the crap that has been shoved down our throats over the past several months, you don't deserve to have a TV!
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by delf76 January 26, 2009 7:49 PM PST
I worked the PBS telethon last year, and as part of the money collection process, we asked how people were receiving PBS. I think 2 people out of the whole evening was receiving it by regular over the air antenna. Most were getting it over sattelite or their cable provider, in which they don't need the stupid converter box.
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by BigGuns149 January 26, 2009 8:09 PM PST
I don't know how many people you talked to, but if it is even somewhat representative of the general population I think that most people are just fine already.

Honestly, considering how many households are subscribed to either cable/satellite services I am not surprised that the number of people affected by the transition is only ~10% of the population by some estimates.
by rohneas January 26, 2009 8:36 PM PST
The catch is that most people with the money to give to PBS also have the money to have cable. The majority of people that are getting PBS over the air likely don't have the money to give (or it isn't a priority to them).

However, there are likely still relatively few households that don't use satellite or cable. TV is a luxury anyway, and with the amount of advertising time that is being spent drilling this into our skulls, it is really stupid to delay this any further.
by Spartan_458 January 26, 2009 7:57 PM PST
We won't be "ready" for it by June 12th either. Just do it already.

And for all you people who say: "TV isn't a luxury! People need it to see school and church closings and weather, and blah blah, etc.," there is a little something called RADIO. It works for all of those, and the signal isn't changing any time soon. People can get by. They'll eventually figure out that they were lazy and go get a converter box. If they can't buy a converter box, then they shouldn't have been able to buy a TV.
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by ralfthedog January 26, 2009 8:59 PM PST
Radio does not have pictures last time I checked. When the Weatherman comes on TV and tells you that a 1 mile wide strip of your town is about to have 318 MPH winds, it is nice to see a map of where that strip is.

Note: Tornado sirens and weather radios are good for an imminent threat (0 to 20 minutes at the longest). When they go off, all you can do is go to your safe room if you have one, or go to a first floor bathroom, get in the tub and pull a mattress over top of yourself if you do not. The information you get from TV weather will let you know if you have time to run to a safer place.
by BigGuns149 January 26, 2009 11:29 PM PST
@ ralfthedog: Radio tends to broadcast over a far greater area than TV does. Depending upon the power of the transmission and other factors you rarely will get TV transmission more than 100 miles away from the broadcasting site. Therefore, if you have a large scale event (eg. category 5 hurricane, >6 earthquake, etc.) power is likely to be knocked out and even some TV broadcasters may go off the air. Radio broadcasts can often be picked upwards of >250 miles away from the broadcast tower for a high power broadcaster and good conditions. Furthermore, if power is out you are far more likely to be able to receive TV than Radio for emergency information (eg. where can you find aid?).

There is a reason that emergency planners recommend you to have a battery powered radio in an emergency kit. In an emergency there is a good chance it may be your *only* source of information from the outside work.
by ralfthedog January 27, 2009 11:27 AM PST
Living in a town that gets wiped out by natural disasters on a regular basis, I can tell you that a map is much more useful than radio. After the 5th or 6th time in a year (or a night) that you hear the sirens go off at 3:30 AM you learn to turn on the TV, look at the map, "Looks like the tornado is going 5 miles SE of where I am. I am going back to sleep."
by AnthonyNYC January 26, 2009 8:05 PM PST
Delaying this again is ridiculous and annoying for the 99% of the people who already converted and have to put up with the public service announcements for a few more months now.
As everyone on here has said, if you haven't done the conversion y now, you don't deserve to have a tv the day it cuts off. And what is the big deal if people are left with no tv service? The legislators act as if something trrible will happen. So a few stupid people are left with snow on the tv set, big deal!
The next day they will go out and buy a converter and have omeone smarter than them help them hook it up, done.
Until the tv goes to snow, these people will never bother converting! Enough already, just do it.
I can't believe they took so many years to convert to digital in the first place, makes me feel like we have idiots running the country. If they think so many years are neded for a conversion that takes 10 minutes to do. Crazy, if you realize all the time, money and effort wasted on assuring some idiot isn't left sitting without a tv to keep them appeased. What are they expecting mass riots in the streets because these people will have nothing etter to do?
Maybe we will have another baby boom generation as people without tv will turn to sex to amuze themselves at night. LOL
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by mpitogo January 26, 2009 8:07 PM PST
get rid of analog already
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by ibeetle January 26, 2009 8:13 PM PST
Digital switch will never happen. Come May it will be pushed back to August or maybe even December. Come August it will be announced that it will not be mandatory for stations to switch at all. They will be able to if they want to.
The cable industry has fought the switch tooth and nail. The independent broadcasters have filed dozens of lawsuits to keep it from happening. Even the AARP have had negative things to say about this subject.
Do not underestimate the power of AARP members. If they are against something it is not going to happen.
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by 8301 January 26, 2009 8:17 PM PST
"The approved bill would allow television stations to switch to digital signals before the June 12 deadline if they are ready, for the vacated spectrum to be allocated to public safety services."

Why would they switch before the deadline? Every viewer without the means to receive digital transmissions represents lost advertising. Television stations aren't going to switch until the go
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by BigGuns149 January 26, 2009 11:33 PM PST
Operating a second transmitter costs money. If most of your viewers either aren't effected or have already moved to digital it may cost more money to continue to transmit both than you lose in advertising revenue.

I know I read about one station that had their broadcast tower fail a few months ago and they didn't bother to restart analog broadcasts at all. Furthermore, there were several newer stations that bypassed analog entirely and have always been completely digital.
by HIPAR January 26, 2009 9:06 PM PST
This isn't about the poor, elderly and infirm. It's just another ugly political attack on President Bush .. as if he really had anything to do with digital TV. You can read the inflammatory remarks on Sen Rockefeller's web page.

But I'm all for the delay. Now it's the new administration's duty to get us all ready for the DTV transition so when the inevitable problems surface in June maybe President Obama will lose some charm taking the rap.
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by BigGuns149 January 26, 2009 11:40 PM PST
It has nothing to do with either really. I think that the real issue is that the government pool of coupons for converter boxes ran out and the industry wants more subsidies. Either that or members of Congress simply who are incredibly unpopular right now want to latch onto some issue *any* issue where they can act like the nice guy nevermind that the delay isn't likely to help anyone. It will delay some people's plans on upgrading analog equipment, which will mean less dollars spent at a time when the economy needs people to hoard money less.
by twinsajally January 26, 2009 10:12 PM PST
Basic cable is only $20.00 per month. This would solve this problem and give better service!
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by ralfthedog January 27, 2009 4:28 PM PST
$20 a month over 10,000 years is $2,400,000. Do you want to spend almost two and a half million just to watch TV?
by HeavyJim January 26, 2009 11:41 PM PST
When tv programming becomes worth watch (Im laughing real hard now) I will care.
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by xcal78 January 27, 2009 5:16 AM PST
Why bother to read or post in this article then? Your vote don't matter!
by george108 January 27, 2009 12:59 AM PST
People had 3 years for this. It just shows the stupidity that abounds. Just like filing taxes and waiting for the last minute. Well, the train should have left them behind. They'd wake up.
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