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November 7, 2008 4:00 AM PST

Democratic win could herald wireless Net neutrality

by Declan McCullagh

FCC Chairman Kevin Martin (left) and Google co-founder Larry Page speak at a Wireless Communications Association conference on Thursday.

(Credit: Declan McCullagh/CNET News)

SAN JOSE, Calif.--If you thought that federal regulators were upset at Comcast's throttling of BitTorrent, wait until they start scrutinizing what wireless providers are doing.

Comcast's offense was merely to slow or abort some BitTorrent transfers. AT&T Wireless goes much further and flatly bans all "peer-to-peer file sharing" and "downloading movies." Verizon Wireless' terms of service also single out P2P applications.

If those restrictions applied to wired Internet connections, there would have been Federal Communications Commission proceedings, congressional hearings, and plenty of outrage, real or feigned. Wireless providers' network management policies, on the other hand, have mostly been left alone--a situation that left-leaning groups are hoping that an Obama administration will help them remedy.

"That regulatory disparity is going to become a problem when we go forward and it ought to be addressed right now," Ben Scott, policy director of media advocacy group Free Press, said at the Wireless Communications Association's conference here Thursday.

Scott, one of Washington, D.C.'s most vocal proponents of Net neutrality and broadband regulation, said he thinks it's time to take aim at wireless providers. "They're not different," he said. "That's the basis of the argument that I'm trying to make. They're not different technologies. They're all running on IP. They're all providing access to the Internet. The only question...is what is reasonable network management."

Page (right) makes comments as Martin listens.

(Credit: Declan McCullagh/CNET News)

The Bush administration has taken a dim view of Internet regulations in the form of Net neutrality rules, warning last year that they could "inefficiently skew investment, delay innovation, and diminish consumer welfare, and there is reason to believe that the kinds of broad marketplace restrictions proposed in the name of 'neutrality' would do just that, with respect to the Internet." A report from the Federal Trade Commission last year reached the same no-new-laws-needed conclusion.

Don't be surprised if the situation changes under the Obama administration. President-elect Barack Obama told CNET News during the campaign that "I will take a backseat to no one in my commitment to network neutrality." He said the same thing while campaigning, although focusing on the relatively narrow issue of some Web sites paying more for faster connectivity than others. In addition, some Democratic politicians like Rep. Ed Markey of Massachusetts have slammed AT&T's exclusive iPhone deal, and even introduced legislation to prohibit it.

Now, the disclaimers: Obama's statements were general and not specific enough to figure out what his administration will actually do. Some once-vocal Democratic proponents of Net neutrality, like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, seem to have lost interest in the topic in the last few years. And everyone in Washington officialdom is waiting to see what happens with Comcast's court challenge to the FCC's order before they draft new bills or regulations.

One argument for exempting wireless networks from the sweep of Net neutrality rules is that the size of the (virtual) pipes is so much smaller and that one person can more easily clog a wireless network than wired broadband. Another is the larger number of competitors in the wireless world, at least when compared with residential customers' typical options of DSL or cable.

"How do you address things like tele-medicine or alarm monitoring or VoIP or gaming or whatever tomorrow's flavor" will be, Christopher Guttman-McCabe, vice president for regulatory affairs at the CTIA wireless trade association, said during a panel discussion Thursday. "Setting a hard and fast rule is something that doesn't take into account (changes in technology). That's why I'm troubled at memorializing something very specific."

Guttman-McCabe and representatives of AT&T, Free Press, and Google spoke on a panel--Disclaimer: I moderated it--and at least initially said that they have reached a kind of detente.

There's "not as much that divides the folks up here as we thought," said Richard Whitt, Google's Washington telecommunications counsel. "It's easy to have the wrong impression of where folks are coming from. We didn't always feel that was the case" that AT&T supported the goal of an open Internet. (It didn't help that AT&T's chief executive once said Google was getting a "free ride" on his network.)

AT&T's Jim Cicconi, a senior vice president, acknowledged his employer supported the FCC's Net neutrality assault on archrival Comcast. But he said that AT&T's newfound enthusiasm for broadband Net neutrality doesn't mean such rules should be extended to wireless.

"With wireless, you have exactly the opposite" as wired broadband connections, Cicconi said. "You have uber-competition. I'm hard put to see the case for regulation in the wireless space where I think it's even weaker."

Wireless Net neutrality is not exactly a novel idea. One proposal emerged in the form of a working paper (PDF) by Columbia University law professor Tim Wu published in February 2007, which says that wireless carriers "should be subject to the same core network neutrality principles."

Wu argued that the rise of the wireless industry has led to "carriers aggressively controlling product design and innovation in the equipment and application markets, to the detriment of consumers. In the wired world, their policies would, in some cases, be considered simply misguided, and in other cases be considered outrageous and perhaps illegal."

Skype, which is part of eBay and would dearly love to be a bigger part of the mobile market, made similar arguments in a petition (PDF) it submitted to the FCC last year. It says that carriers are trying to "limit subscribers' right to run software" and that any device must be allowed to connect to the network--something that the FCC decided was permissible in a landmark 1968 ruling against AT&T.

The FCC has not ruled on Skype's request, and FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said in April that he would oppose it. But a Democratic-dominated FCC may be more inclined.

Earlier in the day, Martin spoke at the conference with Google co-founder Larry Page. "There are ways to manage your network without having to look at particular applications or types of applications," Martin said, adding that he'd like to prohibit "the network operators limiting where people can go on the Internet or what content they have access to."

Although Google has been a Net neutrality supporter, Page spent much of his time talking about unlicensed white spaces instead. On Tuesday, the FCC approved opening up unused broadcast TV spectrum for unlicensed use. This 300MHz to 400MHz chunk of unused spectrum known as "white spaces" is considered beachfront real estate for wireless broadband services because frequencies in this range can travel long distances and penetrate walls.

Page said that on unlicensed wireless, "if the U.S. does the right thing, then a lot of other people will take that into account very strongly. You're likely to see a worldwide thing happen." He also acknowledged that better wireless connectivity means more search users, and Google's ability to make a "significant amount" more, even 20 percent to 30 percent.

Page said the uses of that portion of the spectrum may follow the path that Wi-Fi took: increasingly cheap chips, uses that nobody could have foreseen, and some free and some pay networks.

"Having an unlicensed regime that works through walls well is going to be tremendously useful," he said. "I think the debate is whether it's going to be really useful or really, really, really useful."

Declan McCullagh, CNET News' chief political correspondent, chronicles the intersection of politics and technology. He has covered politics, technology, and Washington, D.C., for more than a decade, which has turned him into an iconoclast and a skeptic of anyone who says, "We oughta have a new federal law against this." E-mail Declan.
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by vitamincm November 7, 2008 5:08 AM PST
That's a nice thought, but don't you think that the Telco Lobbyists will just start bribing the Democrats now? These guys aren't stupid.
Watch how quickly a few key Democrats suddenly have "epiphanies" that "Net Neutrality is BAD for America". Then, see how their campaign warchest has miraculously grown.
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by Penguinisto November 7, 2008 6:22 AM PST
Err, Declan? Comcast's offense was bigger than you let on - they literally forged TCP RST packets - basically by pulling off the same trick that you'd normally find in a 'Man-in-the-Middle' attack.

Also, I agree with vitamincm - this is just a big fat signal to get the telco lobbyists spending their money on the DNC side of the aisle.
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by declan00 November 7, 2008 8:59 AM PST
Oh, I've written before in some detail about what Comcast did:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10021222-38.html

But the point is that throttling BitTorrent even though that means is less invasive and sweeping than prohibiting all P2P applications in any form at any time for any reason.
by Penguinisto November 7, 2008 9:40 AM PST
Re: "But the point is that throttling BitTorrent even though that means is less invasive and sweeping than prohibiting all P2P applications in any form at any time for any reason. "

Problem with that is, they can't possibly pull off the alternative and expect to keep their service running with any efficiency at all. P2P clients would simply start using TCP and/or UDP ports 80, 443, 25, 21... where they would (without uber-expensive, on-the-fly, high-volume packet analysis gear) hide neatly in regular traffic.
by Len Bullard November 7, 2008 7:16 AM PST
There is one more issue. Wireless is effectively used in public safety applications which due to Federal and industry standards are fat content and bursty. If carriers cannot throttle traffic by type, then there will be emergency situations such as witnessed in the San Diego fires or a future earthquake where wireless will fail to serve first responders and emergency providers.
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by jonsjava November 7, 2008 7:29 AM PST
Joe Biden has been one of the biggest opponents to net neutrality. I'm surprised you aren't covering that. You can look at this link:
http://whatthecrap.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/naturally-on-net-neutrality-government-fails-especially-joe-biden/
Or this link:
http://gizmodo.com/5041044/vp-candidate-biden-is-no-friend-to-file-sharing-net-neutrality-protection-or-online-privacy

Or many of thousands of other locations that explain Bidens voting trend towards Net Neutrality. Well, I hope a VP doesn't have any pull......
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by declan00 November 7, 2008 9:02 AM PST
You realize that those two articles linked to our coverage here at CNET, right? Perhaps you didn't actually read them...

I didn't mention it because the president, not the VP, gets to set policy (unless the president abdicates this role). But here's our take on Joe Biden:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html
On Net neutrality, Biden has sounded skeptical. In 2006, he indicated that no preemptive laws were necessary because if violations do happen, such a public outcry will develop that "the chairman will be required to hold this meeting in this largest room in the Capitol, and there will be lines wandering all the way down to the White House."
by jonsjava November 7, 2008 2:04 PM PST
Actually, I do realize that, but many companies swing one way before an election, and a completely different way after. I just want to make certain that people realize that Net Neutrality is enemy number one when it comes to Joe Biden. (O.K. maybe that's a stretch, but my point is none the less valid). I usually follow C|Net when it comes to news, because you cover things that matter to me. It just bothers me when I see an article that seems to say that Obamas teem is 100% pro-NN, when his number 2 man has shown time and time again the opposite. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, and reading into this article more than I should, but I just wanted to make certain that the point was made.
by knowles2 November 7, 2008 3:36 PM PST
"There is one more issue. Wireless is effectively used in public safety applications which due to Federal and industry standards are fat content and bursty. If carriers cannot throttle traffic by type, then there will be emergency situations such as witnessed in the San Diego fires or a future earthquake where wireless will fail to serve first responders and emergency providers."

Well they just needs, literally need to add one paragraph to the registration to prevent this which is this:

That during any state or nation wide emergency, the telecoms have the right to limit all non emergency or block all non emergency traffic of the network until the emergency situation has been resolve.

Probably not legal language but you get the point, in fact I be surprise if their are not laws which allows telecoms to limit their networks to emergency use only, in times of crisis.

We all know Google main priority is to make sure people can access the web or more specifically their web sites. With their people now at the heart of the obarma administration I would expect them to move aggressively to get congress to pass net neutrality laws. They will probably use any and all mean available to them.
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by bob1xxxx November 9, 2008 2:35 PM PST
Wow what are you guys smoke'n . The demo's are in the pocket of riaa /hollywood/record company ghouls. You should look forward to random police strip searchs on public streets to make sure no one has a illegally down load movie off bit torrant on a mirco sd flash cards in their body cavites . Silly the dumbest stuff that come down the pike has been bills forwarded by demo's like the lap top searchs by TSA for "pirated music" , look for the rappid end of any hope of neutral net under the hollywierd WOWed Demo's LOL.
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by broomfighter November 10, 2008 8:42 PM PST
I don't see why we need broadband to be private at all. Any thoughts on nationalizing the ISPs?
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by jandawson November 11, 2008 2:31 PM PST
broomfighter - if you knew anything of the history of the telecoms industry you'd know why these entities need to be private - nationalizing them means creating a monopoly (because one government entity competing against another makes no sense) and that leads to higher prices, fewer choices, less investment and slower growth.

The privatization of the major telcos of the world (and the introduction of competition) over the last 20 years has been the single biggest factor behind the launch and subsequent explosion of broadband.
by broomfighter November 11, 2008 4:00 PM PST
jandawson
you're right, it would be a monopoly, but it wouldn't a monopoly in the sense you described. When you nationalize a company, you remove the desire the make money, which completely changes the way it functions. No longer is the company simply a vehicle for profit. The company becomes an entity funded by the people to provide for a common good. Though this can create an industry that is slower to innovate, you get a company whose only goal is to provide a better product to consumers. So the question is, do we need to innovate so quickly? Are their so many advancements being made so quickly that government can't keep up? Are telcos really innovating at a such a tremendous rate?
by jandawson November 11, 2008 2:33 PM PST
The wireless broadband networks have entirely different economics from wired broadband networks, and provide much lower speeds. The wireless carriers can provide unlimited broadband offerings for $60 per month only because traffic is limited to non bandwidth-intensive uses. If they allowed P2P and massive viewing of online video traffic would explode to the point that networks would become unusable for everyone and/or they'd have to massively increase capacity, raising prices considerably.

In practical terms, though, there's only so much capacity the wireless carriers can provide using current technology in any given area, hence the restrictions. WiMAX (e.g. Sprint/Clearwire's XOHM service) and possibly other "4G" technologies like LTE may solve this problem in time.
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by DivineOracle November 16, 2008 1:49 AM PST
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Voyant-International-Corporation-917727.html

These guys are already manufacturing commercial-grade white space radio device not just for broadband, but also innovative uses such as long-range radio control of devices and data transmissions.

Think smart traffic signals that's solar-powered with LED signal lights, with software-defined signal processing, video streaming of traffic conditions, image/on-ground traffic sensors, automated with central control and central data processing. ALL WIRELESS and GREEN!
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