Music, movie lobbyists push to spy on your Net traffic
Shira Perlmutter of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, an RIAA affiliate, talks up the benefits for broadband providers of policing users' online activities. The MPAA's Michael O'Leary is third from left.
(Credit: Declan McCullagh/News.com)ASPEN, Colo.--Recording industry and motion picture lobbyists are renewing their push to convince broadband providers to monitor customers and detect copyright infringements, claiming the concept is working abroad and should be adopted in the United States.
A representative of the recording industry said on Monday that her companies would prefer to enter into voluntary "partnerships" with Internet service providers, but pointedly noted that some governments are mandating such surveillance "if you don't work something out."
"Despite our best efforts, we can't do this alone," said Shira Perlmutter, a vice president for global legal policy at the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. "We need the help of ISPs. They have the technical ability to manage the flow over their pipes...The good news is that we're beginning to see some of these solutions emerge, in particular in Europe and Asia." (IFPI is the Recording Industry Association of America's international affiliate.)
During a discussion at the Progress and Freedom Foundation's technology policy conference here, Perlmutter said one filtering solution would involve identifying particular files that are (or are not) permitted to be sent to particular destinations. That would be a "very tailored approach," she said.
The idea isn't exactly new: the Motion Picture Association of America said nearly a year ago that ISPs should police piracy, and one of its member companies asked federal regulators to make this a requirement. AT&T said in January that it's testing technology that would let it become a copyright network cop, and the MPAA subsequently suggested that piracy-prone users should have their accounts terminated because they're "hogging the bandwidth."
In a statement sent to CNET News on Monday, an AT&T spokesman said: "There is nothing inherently wrong with P2P applications, which are legal technologies that are used and welcomed on our network. We have consistently said that AT&T will not become an enforcement agent on the Internet, nor will we inhibit the ability of our customers to access any legal content they want."
Not one of multiple AT&T representatives we contacted responded to our followup question, which was: "Can you confirm that AT&T is not monitoring and has no plans to monitor its customers' traffic or other online activities to detect possible copyright infringements?"
(What's a little odd is that the conference organizers said they couldn't find any broadband provider representatives to participate in the panel discussion--even though Jeff Brueggeman, AT&T's vice president for regulatory planning and policy, was listed as attending the event, and executives from Comcast and Verizon were sitting, silently, in the audience.)
Also at the conference on Monday, IFPI's Perlmutter rattled off a list of countries that have taken at least some steps toward antipiracy filtering, through laws enacted by the legislature or other means: France, South Korea, New Zealand, Belgium, and Australia. In addition, Canada's copyright lobby has pushed for legally-mandated filtering.
In the U.S., she said, referring to broadband providers, "increasingly they will be partnering with us--they will be doing deals with us."
Michael O'Leary, a senior vice president at the Motion Picture Association of America, said the relationship between content companies and broadband providers had become less adversarial than before and both sides had left the "us against them era" behind. (This was probably a reference to the political trench warfare that led Verizon to reject the RIAA's request to identify a subscriber and the fuss over one proposal in Congress to implant anticopying technology into consumer devices.)
O'Leary welcomed what he described as today's "multifaceted approach that involves working effectively with the ISPs and universities."
MovieLabs did conduct tests last year of about a dozen "digital fingerprinting" technologies from companies such as Gracenote, Vobile, and Audible Magic. Certain products worked well in some environments, like on user-generated Web sites and on university networks, MovieLabs' chief executive told us in January. But that's not the same as saying it'll work well for tens of millions of AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon subscribers.
Even if the content industry can sign deals with broadband providers, there are still a slew of unanswered questions--including ones about customers' privacy and how filtering will work in practice. Will piratical transfers be automatically interrupted? Or just slowed? Will piracy-prone users merely find--this is what the IFPI suggests--their accounts suspended? How to detect whether content is licensed, or protected by fair use rights, which vary based on the situation? What if the transfer is encrypted?
Looking ahead a few years from now, the content industry may not be satisfied with voluntary agreements. Let's say that AT&T and some of its larger rivals start to filter pirated material and demonstrate (at least to a first approximation) that it's possible, but one ISP does not. Look for the RIAA and MPAA and their political allies to ask Congress for a law that would transform theretofore "voluntary" agreements into mandatory ones.
CNET News reporter Marguerite Reardon contributed to this report
Declan McCullagh, CNET News' chief political correspondent, chronicles the intersection of politics and technology. He has covered politics, technology, and Washington, D.C., for more than a decade, which has turned him into an iconoclast and a skeptic of anyone who says, "We oughta have a new federal law against this." E-mail Declan. 


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I hope they will come up with the much better alternative for this surveillance issue.
You can say that again! ;) But since when did these Hollywood honchos abide by the "constitution" anyway? :P
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comcast already monitors looking for p2p downloads, things that slow down the system
If I need to be monitored so we can prevent another 9/11 so be it
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If someone steals something from me I have no authority to try and recover it from that person, even when I know who the thief is. In fact, if I try to retrieve said property on my own I can be arrested for it. Why do the RIAA and MPAA believe that they have this kind of authority?
So I have to question. Why do these people want to implement spying? It was the same with DRM. Everyone including the RIAA and MPAA know that neither DRM or spying will stop piracy or even slow it down enough to matter, but the RIAA and MPAA continue to argue that they need those technologies to stop piracy? It doesn't make any sense. Is it just so they have a feeling of control?
It's almost like the war on drugs where the government knows the war on drugs doesn't do anything to stop drug use and has only made the situation worse, but they continue to argue we need the war on drugs.
Why this logic? What else is going on here?
I still just can't grasp why they would spend all this money to convince people to do something to stop piracy when it doesn't actually stop piracy. For the ISPs the motivation is targeted advertising maybe, but for the MPAA and RIAA it seems like a waste of time.
It won't stop piracy. The only thing I can imagine is so they could track piracy, and then say see see, look how much piracy there is to try and get more oppressive laws passed. I really don't understand why they want all this control though because oppression really isn't that profitable in the long run. Is it?
It's like the Darth Vader phenomenon. The more tightly they grasp for control the more money that slips through their fingers. Have they become so greedy that they're less concerned with making money than they are with how they are making their money? They'd rather lose money and have customers hate them their way instead of making money some other way. I've seen this from companies before, but I will never understand it.
I don't file share, but friends still do. I hate to break it to the MPAA and RIAA but they're still behind. At first it was more convenient, but with all the laws, DRM, throttled bandwidth, and the fact that movies take forever the net has just become another source. Many people I know have just taken up swapping terabyte hard drives with each other in the privacy of their own homes, or even mailing DVDs out to far away friends. Back to the old ways, but with new technology. There is no control for these organizations to find. They simply chase the pirates out of one shadow into another.
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Giving police powers to a corporation is a bad idea. Why is anyone even considering this?
If you don't want to be paid for your work then that's fine but don't force your communism on me please.
As an IP creator I am against theft of IP and if you do it then I and other IP owners are going to do whatever it takes to stop you / recover our IP / get paid for our work.
My right to be paid for my work is way more important than your 'right' to use a privacy argument to steal IP.
A court in the UK yesterday fined a person who shared a computer game on a P2P network £16,500 (about $33,000) and the company is now queuing up to do the same with about 500 others whose ISPs were court ordered to disclose details. Good move.
Of course, that would also mean you have no right to privacy to protect you from me wanting to know if you've stolen my IP. That makes sense right? Well anyway, what I'm going to need to do is hook up some wires to your Internet connection for a few months so I can see what kind of data is going back and forth there you see. I really need to know if you're stealing my IP. I wish I could take you at your word, but unfortunately I can't. Instead I'm just going to have to accuse you of being a thief straight away. You understand that though right? My need to protect my IP is far greater than your right to privacy so I'm sure you'll cooperate. You're a trooper and you'll take one for the team. That's what I like about you.
Also, if I could just sniff around your hard drive and the backseat of your car and your closet and under your bed for a little while, well that would really help too. What would really be great is if I could just get a few cameras installed inside/outside your home as well. I know you'd understand. I'm not saying you took any of my intellectual property. I just really really would like to get all up in your business to make sure of that. That's all I'm trying to do. You do understand that don't you?
Oh, by the way, there's probably some other folks here on CNET that wanna look around your place for some of their intellectual property too. I don't know for sure, but I heard some of them were pretty creative. :)
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Your right to be paid for your work is FAR LESS IMPORTANT to me than people's privacy. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
As for what I buy, I dang well do claim a fair use right to enjoy it any way I choose subject only to the limit imposed by the copyright law.
When it comes to whatiever it takes to "protect your IP" great. You do that. Don't force others to do it for you. they have a right to put their time where they can make their best living. That's likely doing something other than policing your IP.
They are like Bush administration, always declaring the war on those refusing to side with them.
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