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February 6, 2009 12:42 PM PST

Apple stores ban Facebook access? Not really

by Caroline McCarthy
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This MacBook at the 14th St. Apple Store in New York could load Facebook just fine. Taken, naturally, on my iPhone.

(Credit: Caroline McCarthy/CNET News)

NEW YORK--It involved three shopping districts, two subway lines, and a whole lot of walking in the freezing cold. But I completed my mission to hit up all three Manhattan Apple stores to see if it was true that the retail outlets' computer stations had blocked access to Facebook because too many people were using the popular social network to waste time. (Editors' note: at publish time, the link above was experiencing a network time-out error.)

The verdict: An Apple Store representative told me in a phone call later on Friday, "We have not blocked Facebook from our stores." But it looks like some stores may have put a block in place on their own accord.

Apple retail stores are famously stocked with Internet-accessible workstations that, while intended to be used as demonstrations for prospective buyers, are also free for the public to use. That's led to some problems with nonshoppers monopolizing the machines and taking up space: in mid-2007, Apple blocked access to MySpace, which was then the world's biggest social-networking site.

I hit up Apple's Fifth Avenue flagship store in midtown (you know, the big glass cube), the 14th Street store in the Meatpacking District, and the store on Prince Street in the downtown neighborhood of SoHo.

At the Fifth Avenue store, I was able to access Facebook from one laptop, but on another, the facebook.com domain redirected to an Apple Store page. In the Meatpacking District store, meanwhile, two laptops loaded Facebook without a problem, but a desktop computer brought up a message explaining that the parental controls feature in the Safari browser had blocked it.

In the SoHo store, meanwhile, I had no problem accessing Facebook from any of the random computers I checked out. Ironically, it was in the SoHo store that was populated by the most people who clearly weren't customers; by the time I swung by, it was lunch hour at a local high school, and the computers were occupied by teenagers checking out games and music.

So, what it looks like is that even if there is no nationwide ban of Facebook at Apple stores as some had speculated, a few individual stores have chosen to go their own route.

This post was updated at 1:05 p.m. PT with comment from Apple.

Caroline McCarthy, a CNET News staff writer, is a downtown Manhattanite happily addicted to social-media tools and restaurant blogs. Her pre-CNET resume includes interning at an IT security firm and brewing cappuccinos. E-mail Caroline.
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by gopnick February 6, 2009 12:55 PM PST
Sounds like they are dealing with it on a per computer basis, meaning they aren't using SurfControl or blocking it at the firewall.
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by ca5ter February 6, 2009 1:18 PM PST
Could be that a sales rep was demoing the security features inside OS X. Or, some kid thinking they are funny.
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by kcotham February 6, 2009 1:29 PM PST
Who cares? Why is this news?
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by ubnyan February 6, 2009 2:02 PM PST
Because it is not just news... it i s Caroline McCarthy's news. On the other hand, I have to agree with you.
by Mergatroid Mania February 6, 2009 2:45 PM PST
I agree 100%. Who cares what Apple allows or does not allow their computers to do in their stores?
Gees, you'd think it was a library or something important.
And to think, someone actually wasted their time visiting the stores to check it out, and then some editor actually PAID for this story!
I could come up with a better story just scratching my rear, wonder if they'd pay for that?
by  Brian February 6, 2009 1:30 PM PST
It's crazy.

At the Apple 5th Avenue store, there are people who spend the entire day hogging the Macs while shoppers like myself are unable to use it to see which products I might have been interested in.

Apple has clearly lost sales, THAT I can assure you of.

Too many times I was in the mood to check out software, but without testing it out, I walked out.
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by Perry_Clease February 6, 2009 1:45 PM PST
Did you speak up? Did you ask one of the staff to help you?
by  Brian February 6, 2009 5:08 PM PST
@ Perry Clease

Actually I did not.

The huge crowds at the Apple retail stores alone is daunting enough.

But the ones who hog the systems are usually busy doing their Facebook/Myspace/Youtube/Banking/Video ripping right in the store.

Apple has an interesting strategy because their sales are pretty much recession-proof.

Rarely a sale and usually packed, that's a winning combination.
by Perry_Clease February 6, 2009 8:09 PM PST
"Apple has an interesting strategy because their sales are pretty much recession-proof.

Rarely a sale and usually packed, that's a winning combination."

So you are saying that sales are recession proof, meaning people are buying Apple products, but there is rarely a sale?
by scott2400 February 9, 2009 6:09 AM PST
@ Perry Clease

Apple Stores have an average annual per square sales of $4000. - far above most other retail outlets. Hardly a "rarely a sale" situation...
Must be that some of those Mac "hoggers" were actually serious buyers.. unlike yourself.
by dumbspammers February 6, 2009 1:54 PM PST
Personally, I would have no problem with both Facebook and Myspace being blocked at the root name servers. But then, I have a life and don't understand the attraction of "social networking" with millions of total strangers.
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by codynews February 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST
I "social network" with people I know in real life. And I have a nice 'real life' life too. Amazing eh?
by loose_screw February 6, 2009 1:55 PM PST
Why not post a sticker that all keystrokes are logged? That should put a stop to it. :)
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by MadLyb February 6, 2009 2:50 PM PST
Perfect!
by ITcomposer February 6, 2009 8:14 PM PST
And its usually some teeny booper checking their myspace, and if u ask em if u could use the machine they turn around and give u the "dude can;t u see im busy here"

Gotta love it
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by Deekman February 7, 2009 4:33 AM PST
The Apple store in Indy is always packed with shoppers. It's unreal walking around that mall, practically everyone is carrying an Apple bag. The staff is very helpful and when I've asked for a demo (usually of software) they'll just walk up to whoever is working on the machine and politely ask them if they can do a demo, and ask them to stay to watch.
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by erictbar February 7, 2009 11:38 AM PST
Facebook has been a hit and miss for me at the Menlo Park Apple Store, though I haven't used it there except on my iPhone (using their Wi-Fi network) in awhile. One day it works, another it won't go past the login screen.

Doesn't make sense for them to block Facebook, now that Apple uses them in iLife '09 to allow easy posting of photos to Facebook from iPhoto, and let your Facebook friends know that your iWeb page has been posted.

I'm sure some employees want to demo posting Facebook photos to certaIn one to one customers and during iPhoto workshops.

PS: The author should have waited until this weekend, beautiful weather in the NY Tri-State area compared the past couple days.
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by jinx101a February 7, 2009 12:35 PM PST
This is just another example of Apple's heavy handed controlling attitude. I'm not surprised.
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