• On TechRepublic: Five super-secret features in Windows 7
November 8, 2007 12:32 PM PST

New Zune rating system? I don't like it

by Matt Rosoff
  • Font size
  • Print
  • 10 comments

Earlier this week, Zune product manager Cesar Menendez confirmed on his Zune Insider blog that Microsoft will introduce a new rating system for songs. Instead of the five star system that's been in place on iTunes, Zune, the Windows Media Player, and just about every other music software from the beginning of time, Zune is moving to a simple binary system. If you like a song, it gets a heart. If you don't, it gets a broken heart.

Zune Valentine's Day art

I don't heart the new Zune rating system.

(Credit: Zune.net)

I understand that the Zune team has done some market research that purports to show that some users don't understand or make full use of the five-star system, but this attempt at differentiation feels arbitrary and in some cases harmful. The reason: a lot of sophisticated digital music fans--which, if I recall, were supposed to be the original target for Zune--use the star ratings in different ways.

In my particular case, my wife and I both store all of our music on the same computer. We each have each have our own iTunes library (which the Zune software automatically imports) to organize this music. Our tastes overlap to some degree, but occasionally a song will come up on my playlist that I hate, but that comes from my wife's library. I give that song two stars, meaning "delete from library, but not computer." If it's a song I know comes from my library, and I hate it, and I suspect she won't care whether I delete it or not, then I rate it one star and nuke it from the computer to save space.

Songs that get to live are rated between three and five stars. This is helpful when I'm compiling a playlist for a dinner party--I don't remember every song I've ripped, but I can run through genres and organize them by stars, and sometimes a four or five-star selection that I haven't heard in a long time will stick out.

No more. Worst of all, the conversion process will rate every song two stars or higher as "like," which in my case means I might be subjected to Beyonce, Journey, or worse.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

P.S.: Maybe they're not going after hardcore music fans, but some other hardcore demographic.

Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995, and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mattrosoff.
Recent posts from Digital Noise: Music and Tech
Must-have live recordings at Grooveshark
FanSnap--another way to find cheap concert tickets
Will Craigslist drive scalpers out of business?
Create audio messages from song samples
EMI to offer instant concert recordings
Beatles copyright case down a legal rabbit hole
Study: Radio still has broadest reach
Lala co-founder discusses Google deal, iPhone app
Add a Comment (Log in or register) (10 Comments)
  • prev
  • 1
  • next
I hope the rest of the new Zune software is better
by konabri November 9, 2007 7:11 AM PST
I'm with you on this issue. I have come to rely on the 5 star rating system as a critical piece of my digital song collection. In my system, I rate a song that has poor audio quality (usually from ripping it off of a scratched up disk) one star. While over time this one star list has shrunk as I replace the damaged songs, it has proved a useful way to put certain songs in 'quarantine' from the others. I have gone through my library, album by album, and ranked the songs I really like 4 or 5 stars. The average songs that I don't feel any affection for nor do I despise get a 3 star, leaving the 2 star designation to the songs that make me want to pull my hair out while covering my ears and screaming (usually these are my wife's songs).

The system is one I use daily. My collection is right around 4500 songs, with about 2000 of them making the cut to my 'best' playlist. I typically leave my player to randomly shuffle through my 'top shelf' playlist when I don't want to hear a specific band, and more often than not I am delighted to hear songs from my collection that haven't been getting regular airplay from me.

I am really looking forward to the new Zune players and software. I suppose I can manually recreate the playlists I have been enjoying but that just seems like a huge step backwards. I always think that a big part of what makes new technology so exciting is it's automation and ubiquity, and at first glance this new ranking system seems to loose some of those qualities.
Reply to this comment
5 Stars vs. 2
by Renegade Knight November 9, 2007 7:18 AM PST
My son uses 2 stars. 1 is Nuke the song. 5 is Keep it. There is no middle ground. I use all 5 stars. They have meaning. Differente from yours and the comments but useful just the same. I could squeek by with a 3 star system but 2 would not do the job.

Hopefully Windows Media Player doesn't follow suite, I'd have to dump it for WinAmp or something else.
Reply to this comment
why waste your time?
by sbee November 9, 2007 10:25 AM PST
Zune is a bad device with bad implementation of every feature from a bad company. Why bother?
Reply to this comment
Dunno, i really don
by Sasuto Uchiha November 9, 2007 12:10 PM PST
Reply to this comment
pathetic attempt again M$
by jaspoon187 November 9, 2007 1:15 PM PST
Again with the Widgets/Gadgets Spolight/Search-Live iPod/Zune Microsoft doesn't know how to innovate so they just copy evything. Heck even the Zune is just a rebranded TOSHIBA. This is just a pathetic attempt on M$ side to say "we are individual and innovative and intouch with consumers"

1st of all no hipster indy music fan is ever going to buy a Zune from the most evil corporation ever conceived by man.

2nd of all the new Zune is still huge, still unoriginal and the Marketplace sucks. So remind me, if Apple is, supposedly, such an evil corporation (according to 95% of Cnet articles) with a great product, why should I fork over any money to an even more evil corporation as M$ for a substandard unimaginative bulky Zune?
Reply to this comment
I like simplicity, but...
by DOm3N November 9, 2007 11:01 PM PST
I like simplicity , but....***? like and don't like...and...that's it? I dunno. I was
actually thinking about giving the Zune a chance too, I dunno we'll just have to
wait and see how the other features stack up?
Reply to this comment
I LIKE THIS!
by strongpimphand November 11, 2007 7:38 AM PST
I don't use that 5 star crap anyways.....if i like it, it's in my top 25 in itunes because i play it a lot.

A remedy to this would be simply a 3 prong system. Full heart if you LOVE it, half if you aren't sure, X'ed heart if you HATE it. That way everyone wins
Reply to this comment
Don't really care
by atomicbomb156 November 11, 2007 10:02 AM PST
I've never used the five star system ever and I deleted the top 25 song playlist on my iPod. Hell I don't even use my iPod all that often anymore. But the new Zune design is pretty nice and a great break from the monotony that is the iPod and its siblings. I kind of like the 2 point system but the using a heart is a little weird. I'd think it would be better with a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Microsoft is getting a little better for other consumer products. I just don't like Windows at all. My next comp I'm using Linux. Not getting a Zune or an iPod when mine breaks. Just gonna use my phone.
Reply to this comment
We will all Live !!
by blatz91 November 11, 2007 12:31 PM PST
This is just bring in a system like the popular Thumbs up/ Thumbs Down on TIVO. Its a very simple function and that will be easier to manage then 5 stars. Plus I have always had trouble labeling 4 star songs and 5 star songs...so life just got easier for me.
Reply to this comment
Come on, are you serious!?
by seanh1231 November 11, 2007 9:33 PM PST
To be honest, I have never once used the star system on any player I've ever owned (Creative Zen Micro, iPod Nano, Zune), so to me the new system might get me to use it with it's added simplicity. And I find it absolutely unbelievable that some of these people here would actually allow something some extremely minor make or break the Zune80. Some people just stress over the stupidest things.
Reply to this comment
(10 Comments)
  • prev
  • 1
  • next

A CNET Conversation with Eric Schmidt

CNET's Tom Krazit and Molly Wood sit down with Google CEO Eric Schmidt to discuss the future of Android, the Chrome OS, the problem of real-time search indexing, and more.

Verizon tests sending RIAA copyright notices

The No. 2 phone company, known for its reluctance to intervene in antipiracy cases, strikes an agreement to forward copyright notices on behalf of the music industry.

advertisement

About Digital Noise: Music and Tech

Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995 and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He's also a bass guitarist and an avid collector (and digitizer) of LP records. DISCLAIMER: This blog contains the personal opinions of the author and does not necessarily represent the opinions of his employers or of CNET Networks. As an IT industry analyst, the author occasionally agrees to nondisclosure agreements from Microsoft or other companies, and he will not violate the terms of such agreements on this blog.

He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.

Disclosure.

Add this feed to your online news reader

Digital Noise: Music and Tech topics

advertisement
advertisement

Inside CNET News

Scroll Left Scroll Right