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September 29, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Five Zune HD features Apple should steal

by Matt Rosoff
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The more time I spend with my Zune HD, the more I like it. Sound quality aside--and I know opinions differ dramatically here, but I'm stuck with my ears and my preferences--there are a bunch of features that make Apple's products seem like they've fallen behind the curve. Here are five things in particular that I miss when I use my iPhone or one of my iPods:

Zune Pass Apple has long maintained that people want to own rather than rent their music. I counter that a subscription-based music service, combined with a state-of-the-art player, is one of those features that you have to try before you realize how fantastic it is. It reminds me of the first time I beta-tested the Xbox Live gaming service back in 2002--I didn't understand how addictive online console gaming could be until I spent eight hours playing Moto GP without even looking at the clock.

Here are a couple of real-world examples from yesterday. First, a friend came over for brunch and we began talking about Gram Parsons, one of those towering influences whose music is sorely lacking in my collection. In the past, we might have talked for a minute, maybe gone online to hunt down some ancient YouTube videos, and then forgotten about it. But with the Zune Pass, we were able to walk over to the Zune HD (which I have plugged into a first-generation AV dock and connected to a Bose Wave player in my living room), connect to the Marketplace through my home Wi-Fi network, and sample a bunch of Gram Parsons songs while we ate.

A Zune Pass makes the Smart DJ function into a great music-discovery tool.

Later, I ripped the nervously funky Can LP "Ege Bamyasi" to my hard drive. Curious to discover some similar music, I used the Zune software's Smart DJ function, then listened as it drew music from the Marketplace that I don't know very well, like Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Gong, and my favorite discovery, Faust. Trying the same thing with iTunes' Genius function suggested plenty of new music from the iTunes Store but to hear it, I'd have to buy each song as a download. (Note: you can't create a Smart DJ playlist on the Zune HD device itself, although I expect that feature to be added later. Instead, you have to use the Zune software, then save it as a playlist.)

These are the kinds of music-discovery features that make the Zune Pass a great deal at $14.99 a month. And on top of that, each month you get 10 MP3 downloads to keep.

Quickplay This feature lets you "pin" favorite songs, albums, playlists, or other types of content to the front menu of the Zune HD. It also has a "New" section that automatically displays the six items you've most recently added to your collection, a "History" section that displays the last six things you've played, and a spot to access any currently playing song that you've paused. I miss this instant gratification, particularly quick access to recently added music, on the iPod.

Background art Remember how cool it seemed when you could first look at album covers as you played songs on your MP3 player? The Zune HD makes this seem hopelessly obsolete--instead, it scrolls through album art and pictures of the artist as each song plays. No purchase is required--it works even with the LPs I ripped. It's similar to how the Zune software (and iTunes) can populate your music collection with album art from a database in the cloud, only more sophisticated. (You can see this feature in action starting around 2:00 into this video demo.)

Wireless sync This feature has been part of the Zune experience since 2007, and once you get used to it, you'll hate dragging your iPod to your computer every time you want to load new music. Microsoft seems to have improved the sync experience in the Zune HD and Zune 4.0 software--all you have to do is leave the Zune HD's wireless connection on, and it will periodically sync automatically with your PC, even if you don't have the Zune app open.

See what my friends are playing Zune's social-networking functions haven't been very useful because of the relatively small number of people who own a Zune. I'm hoping this changes with the Zune HD. Already, the Gram Parsons fan says he's going to buy one. Once we connect to one another, I'll be able to see his playlists as he runs through Gram Parsons, the Flying Burrito Brothers, and all their musical neighbors. With a Zune Pass, I'll even be able to play any song that he's played, immediately, on my device, as long as it's available in the Marketplace. Again, this is an absolutely amazing tool for music discovery.

Apple's still riding high with the iPod, particularly the Touch, but the Zune HD is clearly moving ahead in terms of innovation. Now if Microsoft can open the Marketplace to third-party apps and fix the browser, Apple might have reason to worry.

Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995, and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mattrosoff.
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by CuttlefishTech September 29, 2009 4:42 AM PDT
And how about some features the Zune HD needs to steal from Apple?

802.1x, Enterprise WPA, or VPN support. Any of those three and Microsoft instantly has my money.
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by hysonmb September 29, 2009 8:41 AM PDT
Zune has 802.11g (that's how you get the wireless sync and web brower). I have it connected to a WPA2 Encrypted network without issue. VPN, doubtful but I've not tried so I won't pretend to have a definitive answer on that.
by CuttlefishTech September 29, 2009 10:44 AM PDT
802.1x is a wireless authentication protocol usually couple with encryption, not a wildcard for 802.1b/g/n. Sure, it works with standard WPA/2, but not with enterprise WPA solutions.
by firefoxluva95 September 30, 2009 6:46 AM PDT
Why the heck would the average consumer need that? Remember what the Zune HD is, an entertainment device. Go do business on your blackberry.
by September 30, 2009 7:25 AM PDT
Amen firefoxluva95!
by yeks1 September 30, 2009 5:23 PM PDT
You, know...sometimes i really don't understand "apples"...by that i mean...people like CuttiefishTech.

They title was 5 features Apple should steal ..which are just innocent renderings of things that will better the ipod.

and your reply is...."And how about some features the Zune HD needs to steal from Apple?"...the ipod isn't perfect...neither is the Zune...but damn....if you like the ipod....ok!...we get it now!
by chowfun September 29, 2009 5:01 AM PDT
802.1x, Enterprise WPA, or VPN support are probably the last thing a typical consumer would want.
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by Rod Roddy October 2, 2009 1:02 PM PDT
Typical consumer here,...don't need it.
by zincmann September 29, 2009 5:32 AM PDT
Ya know christmas is around the corner and i am looking to upgrade my current 30GB Creative Zen Vision M to either a Zune or a Apple Ipod TOuch, the ONLY reason i would consider the touch over the Zune right now is the 64GB Model they have just released, I REALLY do not want to consider apple because its such the "Me too" MP3 player where everyone who gets one is part of the "in crowd", i am not an "I want to be part of the in crowd" kind of guy and i was REALLY hoping the new Zune HD would have a larger model 64GB that would sell me because all in all its a better unit has more features I Want and would be again "Anti-apple" but so far Microsoft is not leaving me a choice, Make a 64GB Zune HD MS!!
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by doctorfeelgood656 September 29, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
I also have a Zen W (30gb) and love it. I bought an iPod Touch 8gb a few months ago and love it and hate it. I hate apple with a passion but like the touch. However, I love the Napster. (now $5/month) It works the same as the Zunepass - i get unlimited music downloads that play on the PC or the Zen (every player but the ipod) with DRM that renews every 2 weeks. With 30gb, I have almost all my fav music plus a few audible books (World War Z is awesome) and a few movies. The ipod won't work with napster, audible or anything but itunes. And the Zune syncs wireless? Wow - that would rock. as podcasts come down, they sync automatically? That would rule. I like the apps and games, but basiclly they are useless as I work on a PC and have several at home - the games for the most part suck. Without the iphone connection, the apps are mostly hamstrung unless you park near starbucks. So I carry the zen in my truck with all music I own in case my tastes go outside of the 8gb on the ipod. I think audible works with the Zune, so I think you will love the music subscription and the lack of apps is the only issue. for now. if i drop the touch, i would look at the smaller one myself. I love how the Zen is also a thumbdrive - drag files to it. If they are music or movies, it will play them. If not, they sit there. My resume and some work stuff is on mine. Neat. The Zune probably odes this too knowing MS.
by zincmann September 29, 2009 5:33 AM PDT
Ya know christmas is around the corner and i am looking to upgrade my current 30GB Creative Zen Vision M to either a Zune or a Apple Ipod TOuch, the ONLY reason i would consider the touch over the Zune right now is the 64GB Model they have just released, I REALLY do not want to consider apple because its such the "Me too" MP3 player where everyone who gets one is part of the "in crowd", i am not an "I want to be part of the in crowd" kind of guy and i was REALLY hoping the new Zune HD would have a larger model 64GB that would sell me because all in all its a better unit has more features I Want and would be again "Anti-apple" but so far Microsoft is not leaving me a choice, Make a 64GB Zune HD MS!!
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by jaypres September 29, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
I hope you are not using Windows. Some linux would be your OS.
by RockaTech September 29, 2009 7:44 AM PDT
Yeah I got tired of the "Me too" player for the same reason I wish I would have got a zune HD instead but to late =/
by myles taylor September 29, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
So do you also run Windows because everyone does it? I've never bought an iPod to be "part of the crowd". it's all about a mentality and it's ridiculous to base your purchases on whether or not other people have them or whether they are cool. It's just as silly to NOT buy something because it's popular as it is to buy it because it's popular. Buy it because it works for you. That's what I do.
by H_Lime September 29, 2009 5:56 AM PDT
Good points, all. I'm convinced that people hear "subscription music" and either think of comparatively lightweight "muzak" services like Pandora, or think of the old "subscription CD" catalogs that required one to purchase a certain number of CDs per month. Everybody out of college with any concern about their budget realized the latter were scams, but they were indeed the first "subscription music" services.

My, how times have changed. My wife and I tried the Zune Pass "free trial" with the same trepidation, but we were quickly hooked. The ease and rate of music downloads can't be beat, and the ability to "own" DRM-free a number of songs a month only sweetens the deal.

I'm an ex-Apple fan, and my loyalties have reversed over the years; surprised to find myself rooting for MS here; it's a changed world from the old Apple-underdog/MS-industry leader world. Now I find myself a zealous fan of 360, one of the best full-home entertainment systems out there--MS has delivered a fantastic, if sputtering (and with a few real lows) execution with the 360 and the Xbox Live service. MS has made itself, amazingly, into the underdog that you just want to root for--against the gaming giant Sony, the 360 has come out on top, against all odds. Zune isn't there yet--so I've got fingers crossed that MS pulls out all the stops, perfects the "three screens and a cloud," gets Netflix going via Silverlight on the Zune HD before the iPhone ever gets it, produces some fine Zune HD games, etc, etc.

And, rooting for the underdog here, I hope this all happens before the Apple/Jobs design/marketing machine is smart enough to copy the Zune's several levels of superiority over the iPod line. If it doesn't, MS will have lost a golden opportunity to fold Zune into the 360's massive success. Time is critical for MS on this one--they've spent far too long talking about integration. Execution, and tandem execution, hasn't been MS' strong suit, but it certainly has been Apple's.

While you're at it, MS, how about finally enabling my 360 webcam so I can Live Messenger videochat with friends on PCs? How hard can the full integration they've been promising be? With each level of integration between products comes an exponential increase in usefulness. This is what also makes the unclear and divided state of the Zune, Windows Mobile, and Xbox Live marketplaces absolutely mystifying. They should be joined, immediately. And of course, it's coming--Zune Marketplace is coming to Xbox Live this November--but why so long?

MS needs a Jobs-like visionary and hard taskmaster to coordinate these efforts. Allard, perhaps? Zune, Xbox, and the Windows Live effort need to have a common head who's driving the train. I can only think that's been the failing in the past--too many promises, but hobbled ability to deliver, given the split leadership. This needs to change, and immediately. If MS hopes to fully develop the Zune's great promise, and to actually implement the integration, they need a vigorous, visionary leader. And it can't be a leader of an "Integration Division." It's got to be sexy, and it's got to pull together the system they've been trying to integrate for years now--Windows Live (/Games), Xbox Live, and Zune--it's got to focus entirely on that--the entertainment and media side of things. Because there, with the monthly and yearly fees, they've got a workable business model. People are willing to pay for the quality of those services, at least the latter two. With full integration, the purpose of Windows Live/Games would be much more clear, and I'd wager people would pay for that too. With hamfisted, hobbled integration, it'll always remain unclear just what we're getting for the package. So again, a leader--and now.

Again, great article. Hits the nail on the head about what Apple is missing (and, by proxy, what all are missing who only have eyes for the iPod and haven't toyed around with the Zune ecosystem).

HL
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by wixostrix September 29, 2009 10:35 AM PDT
I completely agree with you. I absolutely love the Zune ecosystem, have come to love the Xbox 360 for it's multimedia capabilities and am particularly fond on a slew of Windows Live Services (Skydrive, Mesh, Photo Gallery) and think if they finally just made all those things work together they would defiantly have a killing Windows Live Ecosystem. With the Xbox's placement around the world they could easily sell millions of Zunes if they integrate well. Why limit the Zune to the PC? How about I go out and buy one, activate it through my Xbox and access the entire music catalog over Xbox Live, download using my Zune Pass and sync it up to my Zune. It makes sense. It's how it should work.
by H_Lime September 29, 2009 11:39 AM PDT
To wixostrix: absolutely. I myself favor Flickr for an online photo gallery, but why shouldn't Live let you do it a la Facebook--integrate whatever you want--throw in a Flickr app on Zune and Xbox... See, the problem is, users want more control, not less. MS knows this--Sharepoint is a triumph for businesses and corporations (and lawyers) everywhere--it's user-customizable.

Why doesn't MS realize that the benefactors of its tremendous (but split) Zune and Xbox ecosystems would become even more fanatically loyal--and exponentially increase in numbers--if it integrated its own systems, and gave its users a little more freedom to play around in the MS "cloud" and customize it to their own whims?
HL
by GSOgymrat September 29, 2009 6:14 AM PDT
I agree. I have a Zune HD and an iPod Touch and for listening to music I keep using the Zune. I also don't like using iTunes because they don't use MP3 and the format is cluttered. IPod is better as a PDA/gaming device. Some things Zune should copy from iPod is the remote on the earbuds and 64 GB of memory.
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by BenzTech September 30, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
I'm an iPhone user. About 16GB worth of music on my 32GB phone that I've gotten from the Zune Marketplace (either as one of my 10 songs a month or purchased outright). It's a great device. Most of the apps are near worthless, but there's enough of them that I use every day.
That being said, I still keep Win7 on my Macbook, primarily for the Zune software. Love my 80GB Zune, and I love the Zune Pass even more. Can't tell you how many bands I've discovered using it. I've got tons of stuff on there that I enjoy listening to, but would never go and outright buy. If you're in to music, the Zune is the way to go.
Had a 32GB Creative Zen before that with Rhapsody, but the 10 songs to keep a month from Zune was worth the switch. Not to mention the Zune software is fantastic.
Probably won't pick up an HD until something comes along with higher capacity. With a Zune Pass, you'll fill up that 32GB pretty quick, and you can get four times the space in a Zune 120 for near the same price.
by buckstermcgee September 29, 2009 8:04 AM PDT
Why does this "analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news." seem to have a strong bias for Apple? Yes, I get that he's saying he likes these things from the Zune HD, but he comes of as someone who is only tolerating a Zune despite it being far better, but really wanting to get back to his Apple pacifier.
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by ZuneNetNews September 29, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
Tis interesting how the tides do change ? I can remember when the majority of internet pundits and radio/podcast personalities were lambasting and predicting the demise of subscription music services such as Rhapsody. Now it seems the Zune and the Zune Service have made music rental sexy. This shift in blogosphere opinion is momentous given Microsoft?s normally staid reputation.

I have been an on and off fan of Rhapsody for years and became dependent easy access to almost any artist or tune. Within minutes of hearing of a song or CD I could listen to it and download. Rhapsody was further enhanced using the wonderful Haier Rhapsody ibiza MP3 player. The ibiza is still one of the best implemented Wi-Fi players on the market but unfortunately seems to be on the verge of abandonment by Haier. Rhapsody lost my business when I began to see more and more artists removed from their catalogue and the license for their tunes dropped. Dropped licenses are a real issue and a major disadvantage of subscription services. No license ? no play.

I tried Napster streaming with 5 MP3 downloads a month but gave up on it because of the poor audio quality of the streamed music. I am now using the Zune Pass with my Generation 2 Zune and for the most part happy. I almost dropped the service when I realized many of the ?free ?tunes are WMA DRM protected files. I can copy them to other players supporting DRM WMA files but they cannot be converted to MP3 files. Even folks who should know better (Paul Thurrott are you listening?) continue to misrepresent Zune free downloads as MP3s. Many are, but almost all of my free down loads are WMA and come with some limited form of DRM protection.

Does seem ? what goes around comes around.
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by myles taylor September 29, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
I agree with you about most of the features. The problem with the Zune Pass that I see is not that it's not cool, because it is. The problem with it is that it's a gimmick that the music industry and Microsoft are using to try and end iTunes/Apple dominance. It's been said that it's very hard if not impossible to make money on the subscription based music service. Anything that has a company bleeding money to try and get users on their service is going to be great for the consumer. If Microsoft suddenly got 50% of the market, you'd see this feature disappear.

The Quickplay is nice. iTunes has similar "playlists". What it needs is a way to make shortcuts to those playlists and put them as icons on your home screen.

Background art? Nah....it's another one of those things like the LP thing that Apple introduced recently. Cool to look at and to show off, but only for about 5 minutes. After that I just get back to listening to my music.

Wireless sync would be kind of cool, but it's not really necessary. It's one more way to bleed the battery dry. I plug my iPhone/iPod in anyway to charge it. You can download songs straight to the device. The iPod is becoming more and more independent of the computer. Why do we need to add a sync feature as the device moves away from syncing entirely.
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by ithomas94 September 29, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
What I must say is that much of your statement is pure opinion. What you consider is unuseful and gimmicky may well be useful to someone else.
by myles taylor September 30, 2009 7:00 AM PDT
Well first of all, almost everything you read is pure opinion, including the original article. What this author finds useful other people might find gimmicky.

My first statement though, is less opinion and more opinion based on fact. Subscription services don't make money which means that it's a marketing ploy. We know the music industry hates to be controlled and that they and Microsoft will do anything to wrest control from Apple. What better way than to basically give away free music...hook people in and then start charging them more?
by tadlan September 30, 2009 7:49 AM PDT
Wireless sync is great for those of us who have our zune dock connected directly to an a/v receiver. I don't use my computer to charge any longer and I listen to music in my whole house thanks to my lovely Harman Kardon. I have an xbox 360, cable box, media computer, and my zune all connected via HDMI. Wireless sync is necessary for those of us who have moved forward and do not need more wires. It is convenient and automatic.
by September 30, 2009 7:31 AM PDT
I just picked up my Zune HD and I own an Iphone. I definitely find myself using the Zune for my music listening. The music is just so rich and more vibrant than what you get on the Iphone or even Ipod. I was also skeptical about the Zune Pass music rental package, but after just trying for 2 days, I freaking love it! I love the selection, ease of access to music, and the ability to keep 10 of those songs permanently. Keep in mind that Itunes charges atleast .99 cents to $1.29 per song plus tax. With Zune Pass you get unlimited rentals and the equivalent of 15 bucks worth of songs to keep per month for 14.99. You tell me what's the better deal?

Bottom line, I love my Iphone for everything else, but am deeply in love with my Zune HD for my music.
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by izmickey September 30, 2009 9:00 AM PDT
LOL, thats what people need to understand. The Zune HD is aimed to be a better music player and it is. If you want to do business on it, dont. Just get a smartphone.
by Axual September 30, 2009 1:36 PM PDT
Sorry, Zune just adds another device to my load ... I'll stick with my single iDevice which is a phone, pocket computer with access to 85,000 applications, game device and music and video player. One device, does everything. I could care less about a music subscription, and wireless sync is meaningless since ALL my music and videos are on my device (with 32GB of memory, that's easy).

Hopefully Zune HD can pull Microsoft up to 1.5% market share in that space.
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by jakemochas November 14, 2009 3:18 PM PST
umm multiply 85000 by .20 because 80% of the apps in the app store are INACTIVE!
by maneeshpan September 30, 2009 3:57 PM PDT
I'm with Apple music rentals make little or no sense and always come with DRM restrictions to make the files expire after a certain point -- only good thing they could possibly do is help make music discovery better -- to discover new music consumers might later buy but for that we have radio services be they terrestrial, satellite or Internet radio. You can even use online radio apps like Pandora Radio on an iPhone or iPod Touch with an Internet connection. People like to play their music over and over again -- they don't watch the same movie as many times as they listen to their music so movie rentals are sensible which is why in addition to online movie purchasing via iTunes Apple has iTunes Movie Rentals too.Zune's Zune Pass feature would be promising if it worked with other rival players. Zune lacks market share compared to some other players including the dominant iPod - a Zune 2 Zune and/or Zune 2 iPod sharing makes sense but exclusive Zune 2 Zune with Zune's limited market share doesn't really fit.

A feature like Zune Pass for sharing music from iPod to iPod would be nice and Apple has sold plenty of iPods they could make it work. This would make music discovery better and easier thru sharing music temporarily between iPods but Zune 2 Zune sharing not really compelling and music rentals don't really seem that interesting.

Tried Verizon's VCast Music service to download music to my phone and my computer -- was okay for purchasing and downloading mp3s but the Rhapsody subscription component didn't interest me. Prefer to still have CDs, or use iTunes Store and/or Amazon MP3, or peer 2 peer file sharing -- point is music subscriptions don't interest me and aren't that compelling for most people using iTunes and iPods which represent a major portion of the music player and legal music download market -- that explains iTunes dominance.
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by GentleNation October 2, 2009 2:42 AM PDT
The more I use the Zune HD the more I love it. Zune Pass is incredible. I don't think I will ever use my iPod Touch to listen to music ever again. Zune Pass is for the MP3 player what Xbox Live was for the video game console.
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by jakemochas November 14, 2009 3:19 PM PST
exactly what i think
by mrhdtv October 4, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
why the heck should Apple take anything from the zune hd when microsoft's steve ballmer laughed off the ipod when it was released 8 years ago? Sorry dude but the mp3 market is saturated and the zune's real competitor will be all those cheap as dirt mp3 players from the outfits like coby and gpx. MS should have been toe to toeing with Apple from the get go instead of chiding them.
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by AaronCT123 October 15, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
Apple doesn't need to steal anything from the Zune HD. It's bad enough that everything Microsoft does is seen as catching-up anyway. I'm all for the iPod line continuing to do it's own thing, because the second Apple adds any of the features listed, they'll swear they did it first.

And, yes that last claim is backed up by their own website which claims that iTunes tagging is the "new-fashioned" way, knowing full well that every generation Zune has been able to do it for the past year plus.
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by jakemochas November 14, 2009 3:20 PM PST
yeah they didn't CATCH UP AT ALL... not have you seen all of the new technologies and firsts this device uses? HD radio, tegra, and the OLED screen... that's just hardware, software wise they already surpassed apple with the 4.0 software
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Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995 and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He's also a bass guitarist and an avid collector (and digitizer) of LP records. DISCLAIMER: This blog contains the personal opinions of the author and does not necessarily represent the opinions of his employers or of CNET Networks. As an IT industry analyst, the author occasionally agrees to nondisclosure agreements from Microsoft or other companies, and he will not violate the terms of such agreements on this blog.

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