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February 21, 2008 11:15 AM PST

Blu-ray will not be the success other formats have been

by Don Reisinger
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As the high-def format war finally runs out of steam and Blu-ray has been named the winner, some are wondering what the future of the format will look like.

Will it be the unbridled success DVD was? Will it go the way of the Laser Disc and become more a bridge format than anything else? Or will it be long forgotten as just another attempt to force people into buying the same movies all over again as they wait in anxious anticipation of whatever comes next?

If you ask me, Blu-ray will never be the success DVD was and chances are, it'll be one of the forgotten formats that people scoffed at as they continued to download their favorite films online.

The way I see it, there are three main reasons why Blu-ray will never take off the way DVD did and most people won't even consider making the jump to the new format.

1. The quality jump is not that great

Where Blu-ray excels is in its ability to store data. Instead of the old 4.7GB on DVD, Blu-ray is capable of storing 25GB on a single-layer and 50GB on a dual-layer disc. But when it comes to what the average person will use it for -- film viewing -- the differences between the two formats are not that great.

When you run a regular DVD through a 1080p upconverting DVD player, the picture may not be as crisp as Blu-ray, but even the trained eye will be hard-pressed to find so many differences that a change in format would be necessary.

Do you remember the jump in quality that was experienced between VHS and DVD? If so, you'll probably recall just how beautiful DVDs looked and how disgusting those old VHS tapes were; the jump was huge. It was so huge in fact, that most people realized the value in buying DVDs and players, which effectively ended the VHS' reign as the top media in the land.

But the same can't be said for Blu-ray. Is it high-def? Sure. Does it look nice? Yep. But is the jump so big that you would consider throwing your DVD player out the window and move on to the next big thing because your old media looks ugly? Not a chance.

2. Old entertainment sales will be slow

If nothing else, the DVD generation has been marked by a huge upswing of sales on television shows and old movies. In fact, it's that segment -- specialty entertainment -- that really helped the format grow at such a rapid rate.

Realizing they could have just about any of their favorite shows, people flocked to the stores looking for each new season. But if they own each and every season of Law and Order, why would they want to buy it again on Blu-ray? Beyond that, how many people would be willing to repurchase their entire library just to get it in HD?

And although some say that's not even an issue and they'll gladly watch DVDs on their Blu-ray player, it goes far beyond individuals. If Blu-ray movies or television shows aren't selling because people already own a DVD copy, a significant portion of that market is eliminated.

Simply put, it's as if Blu-ray has lost the first 100 hundred years of movies and television and they'll never come back. What will that do to sales? I think it could be damning to say the least.

3. The wild card -- movie downloads

So far, movie downloads have yet to take the world by storm. But as they continue to surge in popularity, aren't the days of a set-top box and Blu-ray numbered? After all, if we're finally able to enjoy faster broadband speeds and split-second downloads of films, why would we need another player under the TV? Wouldn't it just be easier to download it directly to a set-top box that can be viewed on the TV?

Of course, this is already being done to some extent with the help of cable companies currently offering HD movie downloads on their boxes. But as the brick-and-mortar movie rental business continues to decline, and people find that they want movies directly in the home, the chances of Blu-ray dominating the industry are slim.

Simply put, Blu-ray looks more like a bridge to something bigger and better to me and nothing like DVD, which will always be known as one of the most groundbreaking formats of the last half-century.

So yes, Blu-ray may have won the battle with HD DVD, but in my mind, it's simply impossible for the company to win the war with consumers.

Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and posts at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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by color-blind February 21, 2008 11:32 AM PST
Honestly, the cd and dvd are soon to be a thing of the past. With movie downloads from Comcast and Apple why would one ever want to rent a dvd. Even the hard drive as we know it is soon to be a thing of the past to be replaced with flash memory. For now I see no reason to rush out and buy a blu-ray dvd player.
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by Renegade Knight February 21, 2008 11:40 AM PST
Owernship vs. Rental.

If you want to own it. You need the physical format. If you want to rent it, downloads make sense if you have the means and method to enjoy them and don't mind dealing with the issues.
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by PunkCityKid2 February 21, 2008 11:45 AM PST
Yeah well when your told that its going to take 2 days to download your 25 gig movie then I'm sure the blu-ray player will look more attractive. Comcast already has trouble providing HD content (ie severe lag in their HD boxes b/c cable bandwidth limitations), how are they going to offer these huge downloads? Internet speeds need to grow exponentially in the US before true HD downloadable content is possible for the masses.
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by Truth_in_HD February 21, 2008 11:56 AM PST
"The quality jump is not that great" - this statement is simply untrue, upconverted DVDs look like crap compared to true 1080p (or 1080i) blu ray.
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by February 21, 2008 12:01 PM PST
Finally, someone with a actual platform saying what I've been saying for the last 2 years. Why have a physical format. Call it blu-ray, call it hd-dvd but to me its just a video FILE that I can play from my computer to my tv.

You do not need a physical format for ownership as the poster above suggests. If that was true then buying MP3s from amazon is not ownership.

As for the other poster regarding slow bandwidth. There is no reason for a full blown download service to take that long to download a movie. With current bandwidth for the main stream broadband user you can download an HD movie within 3 hours. Comcast of course will try to limit your speed because they don't want this form of entertainment delivery to succeed unless its from them. If it works then we don't need comcast for tv anymore because we can get everything from places like joost or overseas network. And if we really need more bandwidth, internet 2 been's around for quite some time.
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by rolandk10 March 24, 2008 5:04 PM PDT
Ig f you think you own it, go ahead and try to sell your MP3 on eBay. See how long before they shut down your auction. Besides, MP3;s atraction has been smaller files and more portable players. TV is moving towards HD and bigger screens. Totally the opposite direction if you factor quality and file size. Comapring CD-MP3 vs HD-DD is a faulty premise I believe.
by lasercat February 21, 2008 12:05 PM PST
Uh, what?

Upconversion is "good enough"? You must have never seen a real high definition title before. There is a OBVIOUS difference when you see upconversion and High Definition, although I guess when you watch them on a tube TV you won't notice a difference.

Downloads? Maybe in 10 years when Internet speeds are fast enough where a multi-gig movie doesn't take several days. And people have rebought their favorite titles in different formats, sometimes several times over so who's to say no one is going to rebuy on BD? Granted, TV shows might take a while before they become a good buy, but movies alone are enough to move on to BD.

In the end you sound like a HD DVD fanboy gorging yourself on sour grapes. In fact, you hit every fanboy talking point except how BD is "soo expensive", so I assume you'll write about that next.
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by sfp3mak February 21, 2008 12:05 PM PST
blu ray reached 2,000,000 sales in Europe and Japan in less time than DVD, and it had a competing format.
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by PunkCityKid2 February 21, 2008 12:12 PM PST
Hey Kids want to watch a movie? Let's reconvene in 3 hrs (very optimistic number)....I don't think so
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by jumbojm February 21, 2008 12:22 PM PST
1. The quality jump is not that great ....too funny...how did you test?

Did you have the player hooked up to 20" 1974 Zenith
Tried hooking it up with HDMI cause composite ain't gonna do it
Being on viagra will blur your vision
by glocksout February 21, 2008 12:16 PM PST
Remember when DVD came out and people said the quality wasn't much different? Well, after a while of watching DVDs when you saw a VHS you thought it was bad. At this point when I watch a DVD I'm distracted because I'm thinking something is wrong with my TV or the settings are off. When you're used to watching high-def it's hard to watch DVD. Would you rather watch Lost in high-def or in standard-def?

Old entertainment sales won't be slow for the younger generation who doesn't have a collection of DVDs. I was simply too poor to collect any films so at this point my entire movie collection is Blu-ray except for a few DVDs.

Digital delivery is not a threat to Blu-ray anymore than is wasn't a threat to DVD 15 years ago. Video on demand has been around for along time and DVD sales were still strong. What you DON'T get with a download is a huge hindrance. You get a lower quality, even lower than DVD (even high-def movies downloaded don't look better than DVD), lower audio quality (less than DVD), no extras, bonus features, commentary tracks, games. And most of all, you don't have a library or a collection of movies to be proud of.
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by Ksal005 February 21, 2008 12:17 PM PST
Blu-Ray will continue with their ridiculous prices and the consumer will not cross over. Downloads are a reality but not an immediate one. I'm going to buy and HD-DVD player at a very cheap price and use it as an upconverter for my existing DVD collection. That's my best bet due to the fact that Sony products byte!!!!

I will not pay that ridiculous price.
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by glocksout February 21, 2008 12:18 PM PST
As far as buying MP3s, that's different. Few people who download music actually sit down and listen to the music, they have it on their iPod to go. Music is a background thing for most people. Those who sit to listen to music buy LPs!

Movies are something you sit down with, something you spend time with. It's very different than music.
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by Ksal005 February 21, 2008 12:20 PM PST
"You get a lower quality, even lower than DVD (even high-def movies downloaded don't look better than DVD), "

I don't know what type of system you're using but that's not the case with mine. Hi-Def movies look awesome on my system. Much higher than regular DVD.

As far as the extras, I've never watched them nor will I ever. Its just not important to me. I'd rather have affordable 1080p output.
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by February 21, 2008 12:22 PM PST
This article just goes to prove that most "journalists" have no idea what they are talking about. I have been buying media for a long time and will continue to. I like to buy and own it. There is something about having it on the shelf. As far as quality goes, upconversion does not even come close to full 1080P. If the data is not there it can't possibly look as good. Perhaps better fact checking would be in order before your next article.
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by Ksal005 February 21, 2008 12:27 PM PST
The article does state that up-converting is only good enough. It doesn't say that 1080p is the same as upconversion. The article is saying that most consumers, average family which is the biggest market, will not cross over.

1080p, BR or HD-DVD has awesome output. No doubt. Is it a leap from VHS to DVD, no it's not.

I didn't buy either format as I was waiting out the war. Now that it's over, I'll just buy an HD-DVD player and use it for upconverting. I'll be happy with 1080i.

I can live with it. I refuse to rebuy my entire collection in BR format. Sony won the battle (congrats to them) but they will lose this war with the consumer.
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by soccer732 February 21, 2008 1:01 PM PST
Your first arguement has no ground. It has already been proven that there is a dramatic difference between blu ray and standard def. It is what is driving the sales of HD tv's. And blu ray made Jack Sparrow's pores on his face seem touchable. Sure if you are watch a blu ray disc in 720p, on a HD tv with 60 hertz, no big deal. But to watch a blu ray disc in 1080p with 120 hertz, the difference between dvd and blu ray is incredible. And yes, I will certainly go out and buy the same movie I own on DVD. 300 anyone? I think I hear a dissapointed HD DVD fan.
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by gubber1 February 21, 2008 1:22 PM PST
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by moonskin February 21, 2008 1:36 PM PST
If someone cannot tell the difference between standard def and high-def and is a trained professional, they are biased or blind, having spent time as a broadcast engineer I can tell the slightest difference in picture. I actually don't own any high def products because I cannot get past all the digital artifacts that appear when viewing on something that isn't high def quality. I do agree that blu ray might not have the success that DVD did but not because of the stated excuses, mine tend to gravitate to economic concerns and not competition, something not really taken into account. We have the technology and infrastructure to do high def downloading but it's politics that get in the way, not the lack of bandwidth that they have that they don't share. Just because you only get 8+Mb/s down, doesn't mean that they are not capable of more. And don't use comcast as an example, they have been shown and admitted to being bandwidth nazi's. Overall I'm glad that this 'war' is over, so quite ******** about things that we really can't prove will happen and just enjoy this flux of new technology.
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by dee9tj February 21, 2008 1:51 PM PST
I think as long as Playstation 3's are being sold Blu-Ray is going to be here for a long time.

Who cares about buying movies all over again I bought some movies on vhs only to turn around and buy it again on dvd. So I don't think owning a movie on different formats is going to matter especially if it's a movie that you like.
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by j_stavro April 17, 2008 4:37 PM PDT
I'm with glocksout.

As for ksal005 and the author of this article, where do you guys get off? blu-ray is UNBELIEVABLY better and clearer than DVD and prices have dropped significantly, not to mention they will do so again in Q4.

Even at today's prices, blu-ray is worth it.

Either way, I'm not surprised this website does not predict success for Blu-Ray. All they ever do is scare people from spending their money. Simply put, go to any home theater store and ask them to show u the same movie on dvd and then on blu-ray. There's no contest!!!

Everyone who has watched blu-ray at my house is convinced it is better. These websites like cnet and consumer reports are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dumb. For example, ANY MORON could have predicted blu-ray winning but they never actually said anything like that because HDDVD was CHEAPER! you guys want to save money? stop listening to these morons and ask for your membership fees back
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