January 10, 2008 7:32 AM PST

LionsGate: Piracy a major deciding factor for Blu-ray support

by Don Reisinger
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Lionsgate

Piracy, huh?

(Credit: Lionsgate)

At CES on Monday, I was invited over to the Blu-ray booth to speak with top executives at the major Hollywood studios supporting Blu-ray. And while I didn't have the chance to speak with every studio, I did get to speak with the president and chief operating officer at LionsGate, Steve Beeks.

And while Beeks seemed like he had solid command over the finer points of the movie industry, I was interested to see why his studio chose Blu-ray over the alternative.

Expecting the canned answer like, "Well, we thought it was the superior format and I'm happy to say that we were right," you could imagine my surprise when the very first reason he gave was Blu-ray's piracy controls.

For those of you who don't know, Blu-ray's piracy controls--largely based on AACS, BD+, and BD-ROM Mark--are easily the most stringent format to date and have only partially been circumvented to this point.

Regardless, I was utterly appalled at the thought that with all of its benefits--high-capacity, interesting new features to employ while playing movies, major industry backing--Beeks chose piracy as the first talking point.

Of course, I had to find out more.

Immediately after finishing his spiel about Blu-ray, I asked Beeks a simple question, "With all of these piracy concerns (as you mention), how do you stop looking like the bully when you go after some kid making a few copies in his house instead of the overseas cartels in gunships?"

After a significant amount of skirting the issue, Beeks told me (correctly) that there's no way to stop piracy and the best way to combat it is to offer more features and give people a reason to buy the official version.

And yet, if that's true, why should the studio even care about which format has the more stringent piracy controls? After all, if you know how to fight piracy and you think you're doing a good job at it, why waste your time paying more for a format when you can have the same sort of features on the other and pay less to manufacture discs?

Of course, LionsGate isn't the only company that should be beaten up in this column. The entire motion picture industry is rife with a bunch of executives who have no idea what the average 18- to 35-year-old person wants when they buy a disc, and to make matters worse, they think they do.

I have said it once and I will say it again: the music and movie industries have become relics of the old school and are unwilling to adapt to the times. DRM is not only hurting each studio's bottom line, it's damaging their ability to look like the good guy in an environment where pirates look like they are.

If nothing else, I learned that the movie industry is run by a subset of individuals who are totally insulated from the real world. If not already proven by the MPAA, look no further than to those poor people who thought they owned something, only to find out later they were being sued for a ridiculous amount of cash for their "crime."

If you ask me, it's time the executives at all these movie studios stop wasting our time with banalities and wake up to realize that the real pirates are out there kicking their teeth in. For once, stop going after the guy who makes a few copies in his room and find the head of an international piracy cartel to stop pirating.

Until that happens, look for even more critics, and even worse publicity.

Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and posts at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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by biznatch11 January 10, 2008 9:55 AM PST
"Blu-ray's piracy controls ... is easily the most stringent format to date and has only partially been circumvented to this point."

It hasn't been out that long, isn't very mainstream, is still competing to be the dominant format, and it was already been partially circumvented. I think even if Blu-ray wins, the copy protection will be broken long before that. So DRM is one of the worst reasons for a studio to pick this (or any particular) format. I think a much better way the new formats (both Blu-ray and HD-DVD) will combat piracy is the huge size of the files. Downloading 10s of GB per movie will not be practical for some time to come, while any DRM they use will be rapidly circumvented.
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by mblum3 January 10, 2008 10:07 AM PST
This doesn't surprise me at all, especially for the case of LionsGate. They fight dirty against piracy. I downloaded a torrent for one of their shows, but it turned out it was them who supplied the link! So someone from LionsGate called my small town ISP who in turn called me asking if I could delete the torrent. I of course only mumbled something about needing to secure my wireless.

Anyhow, the whole thing sounded like entrapment to me. I don't download torrents for vidoes anymore, I just go to sites like the late TVlinks.
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by henryjass21 January 10, 2008 10:08 AM PST
Haha, this was a good point, the movie studios really just seem out of touch. I mean did they really sit down, take a look at the piracy controls built into blu-ray and say to themselves, "this is it, no one will ever be able to break this stuff" then begin congratulating themselves by smoking cigars while tipping their top hats at each other?
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by billmosby January 10, 2008 10:10 AM PST
The piracy problem will never be solved, and bandwidth will improve steadily. Movies and music will become low-cost, low-profit, and produced ubiquitously rather than by obscenely-compensated stars and execs. Kind of like back to the past, when art was done either for the recreational value of it, or by the command of well-heeled patrons.
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by rcrusoe January 10, 2008 10:24 AM PST
Blu Ray vs HD DVD? The winner of this matchup really doesn't matter. IMO, existing DVDs will remain popular long enough for movie downloads to replace disk players in most homes.

Who wants to buy or rent a disk when your Netflix (or whoever) box can provide movies on demand?

These guys are just straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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by foxlake January 10, 2008 10:26 AM PST
Using my PC and special software, I have the ability to copy just about any DVD that I want. If I wanted to, I could copy every movie that I rent and have a DVD library with a thousand titles. But I generally don't bother to copy DVDs. Why? Well, for one, I pay Blockbuster a flat fee every month to use their service, so if I want to watch a movie over again, I can rent it any time I want and it won't cost me any more than I'm already paying. But I don't find that I ever want to watch a movie that I've already seen again. Maybe there's one movie in a blue moon that I want to watch again 10 years after the first time I've seen it, but other than that, I don't want to. Besides, must movies these days pretty much suck anyway, just like music sucks, just like books suck, and just like TV sucks. The days of great film, great music, and pretty much great anything is over. So it's amusing to watch content producers scramble to protect the garbage that they produce.
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by crazynerd January 10, 2008 10:29 AM PST
Apparently they must didn't google "clone blu-ray dvd"...lol
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by crazynerd January 10, 2008 10:34 AM PST
Apparently they didn't google "clone blu-ray dvd".
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by pkidza January 10, 2008 10:35 AM PST
And does DRM really matter anyway? If I were an international pirate syndicate selling millions of pirated disks each year all I would do is slip an employee at one of the studios some cash for a non-protected version. Everything is only as strong as its weakest link...
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by ceebee23 January 10, 2008 12:36 PM PST
Is it DRM or region coding that LionsGate really like about BluRay.

Region coding is plain anti-consumer.

A comparison at titles available for Region 1 and Region 2 for instance, on DVD shows the huge disparity between releases in the US and the rest of the world. An experience that will be repeated with BluRay.

BluRay continues this appalling mess and offers little more, if anything, in comparision to HD DVD for consumers.

Until I can dezone a BluRay player I will not purchase one.
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by bperez1172 January 10, 2008 12:40 PM PST
What is interesting and funny about this article... You would think that Lionsgate had just gone Blu-ray exlcusive, they hadn't. Maybe your time would be better spent asking Warner why they went Blu-ray since that news is actually current.

Seems like this is the 5th article I've read posted on CNET after Warner went exclusive that is anti-Blu-ray in some way or another.

But if writing articles helps dry those tears on your cheeks, keep writing 'em.
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