November 12, 2009 9:08 AM PST

Universities reject Kindle over inaccessibility for the blind

by Don Reisinger
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The National Federation of the Blind is applauding the decisions of Syracuse University and the University of Wisconsin-Madison not to Amazon.com's Kindle DX as a textbook replacement.

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The universities cited the Kindle's inaccessibility to the blind as the problem.

The federation said Wednesday that while it appreciates the Kindle's text-to-speech feature, the "menus of the device are not accessible to the blind...making it impossible for a blind user to purchase books from Amazon's Kindle store, select a book to read, activate the text-to-speech feature, and use the advanced reading functions available on the Kindle DX."

For its part, Amazon believes in the Kindle's potential. An Amazon spokesperson wrote in an e-mail that "With a few modifications, Kindle has the potential to be a true breakthrough product for the blind, and we're already working on it. We're excited about it."

According to the federation, the University of Wisconsin-Madison experimented with the Kindle in upper-level history classes.

"The big disappointment was learning that the Kindle DX is not accessible to the blind," Ken Frazier, the University of Wisconsin-Madison director of libraries, said in a statement. "Advancements in text-to-speech technology have created a market opportunity for an e-book reading device that is fully accessible for everyone. This version of the Kindle e-book reader missed the mark."

Frazier added that a suitable device would include better "accessibility, higher-quality graphics, and improved navigation and note-taking. I think that there will be a huge payoff for the company that creates a truly universal e-book reader."

Pamela McLaughlin, director of communications and external relations at Syracuse University, said in a statement that her school bought two Kindle DX units to see if it could replace hardcover textbooks and course materials.

Although students are still evaluating the devices, she said, the university has "no plans to purchase any more of these units in light of the fact that they are inaccessible to blind students. If Syracuse University decides to use e-book technology on campus, we will require technology that can be used by all of our students, including those who are blind."

Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind, said his organization commends the universities' rejections of "broad deployment of the Kindle DX in its current form because it cannot be used by blind students and therefore denies the blind equal access to electronic textbooks."

Mauer pointed out that the federation does not oppose electronic textbooks and believes that "they hold great promise for blind students if they are accessible."

Updated at 10:14 a.m. PST to include Amazon comments.

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by mikehill33 November 12, 2009 9:20 AM PST
Kudos to Syracuse. Amazon, keep innovating!
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by Renegade Knight November 12, 2009 9:33 AM PST
It would be fair to point out that meeting the needs of one group can conflict with the needs of another group. Sometimes the best for all is also marginal for all. That is if you force things to be one device instead of a customzed version based on a demographic.
by Renegade Knight November 12, 2009 9:26 AM PST
So They banish a reader than works better than a standard textbook already?

It would seem that what they really should have done is issue that standards they want a reader to meet rather than ban the ones they don't like.

The National Federation for the Blind should have had an internal discussion on the potential of readers and what they needed to be within a very short time of the introduction of the first eReader. By now those standards should be fairly well polished.
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by Vegaman_Dan November 12, 2009 11:28 AM PST
Amazon has been courting text book makers to replace the paper versions with this instead.
by dune1953 November 12, 2009 9:29 AM PST
And what is the National Federation of the Blind's alternative?
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by kaibelf November 12, 2009 9:50 AM PST
They don't have one. They just want to complain that this device, meant for GENERAL CONSUMERS, isn't magically designed to be all things to all people.
by dascha1 November 12, 2009 10:36 AM PST
Well, it's pretty obvious. I mean I had to re-read this article about 4 times before I was able to get the meaning of the article. I used the article's font sizing to improve reading but why can't I toggle the speech to listen isntead? Long ways to go for webs I guess.
by Mergatroid Mania November 12, 2009 12:59 PM PST
I agree, devices cannot be all things to all people. Currently text books are also not designed for the blind. To say a reader obviously made for sited people is "not accessible to the blind" is just stupid.

There is a new Microsoft device available now that will take a picture of any text and talk it back to you. I would suppose you can upload text to it as well. However, making these devices mandatory to all students just because they are accessible to the blind would also be pretty stupid.

If I were the university, I would have rejected the Kindle on the grounds that is can only get media from Amazon. If they select an ebook reader, it should be able to get content from anywhere and not be locked into one provider.
by SactoGuy018 November 12, 2009 2:59 PM PST
Possibly Apple's much-rumored tablet computer? Apple could design a special accessory for blind or low-vision users that allows the text to be spoken or the text to be displayed in a easier-to-read manner.
by dbargen November 12, 2009 9:39 AM PST
Yes, and standard, paper-based textbooks are sooo much better for blind people.

Seriously, people! Blind people already have to use specialized devices for these purposes, separate from the kinds their seeing classmates use. Why not advocate a device like this for your textbooks? If publishers could pull their heads out and pass along the savings of not having to warehouse, ship, and inventory paper books, not to mention print excess copies or create delays when demand is higher than perceived, then eBooks and eTextbooks could be as affordable as paperbacks used to be (before the standardized dimension change).

Blind people already have to use brail versions of pdf versions on a computer, so why not open that door to students and sell an option for PDF versions one can read on their computer? Make it searchable, and studying becomes much easier and faster.

Sadly, you won't be seeing even encrypted versions of PDFs for a while thanks to publishers' fears of piracy. As of now, piracy is held in check not by DRM, but by paper media. Once OCR software improves, though, i'm betting it won't be long before a student with a cheap feed scanner and a hot plate gets smart and starts selling their own PDFs of entire textbooks.
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by Forever_skeptical November 12, 2009 9:44 AM PST
I'm thinking that the colleges are using this as an excuse to keep the student body spending thousands of dollars on books at the campus bookstore instead of from a company that doesn't pay the college money to sell on campus. Just one more way to suck every last dollar from an already broke college student.
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by KnowsBooks13 November 12, 2009 1:44 PM PST
Not true.. Although college bookstores are revenue generators for universities, universities are also service companies. Any service organization worth it's salt listens to the voice of the customer and if eBooks is what they want, eBooks is what they'll get. It's just a matter of time until eBooks reach a standardized format and can be widely adopted. Give it three years and my guess is that the price of books will be built into tuition at about 50% of what textbooks cost students today.
by svgtom November 12, 2009 9:50 AM PST
I can't think of any eReader that would be accesible for the blind, including the forthcoming Nook.

"Frazier added that a suitable device would include better 'accessibility, higher-quality graphics...' "

No offense, but how would higher-quality graphics make the Kindle more suitable for blind people?
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by Vegaman_Dan November 12, 2009 11:29 AM PST
You can be legally blind but still be able to see. It's not an all or nothing situation. Larger fonts can help those with diminished sight.
by Voig_Nederlander November 12, 2009 9:51 AM PST
The Universities also decided to ban newspapers, magazines, traditional textbooks, all signs, signals and notices, and finally, light, all of which have been deemed "not blind-friendly."

The decision was immediately condemned by the Society for the deaf, because they could not hear it. The National Federation of the Blind responded by banning sign language, as it is not blind-friendly.

The Association of Mutes had no comment.
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by dbargen November 12, 2009 9:58 AM PST
Well put.
by LancerEQ November 12, 2009 10:54 AM PST
+10
by mjconver November 12, 2009 11:06 AM PST
+10!
by uthene254 November 12, 2009 11:36 AM PST
Sheesh, people. They didn't ban the Kindle. They're just delaying adoption until another feature is added, which sounds like it should be soon.
by thebergie November 12, 2009 12:31 PM PST
my sentiments exactly! +11
by sharmajunior November 12, 2009 12:46 PM PST
Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Nicely put. +20
by Zoobie November 12, 2009 2:43 PM PST
+10!
by vkalathil November 12, 2009 2:43 PM PST
lol
Exactly my sentiments. You put it well. Kudos!
by bschmock November 12, 2009 10:00 AM PST
Why does this have to be a replacement for text books, why can't it be an addition. Some students might not like having to lug around a 100lbs of books everyday, while others may not mind or find reading that actual paper copy is better for them. Why does there have to be a single option....

Choices are good they lead to innovation and competition, as well as consumer happiness.
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by shuyin84 November 12, 2009 10:10 AM PST
Now I don't wanna be the one to tell the dragon it's breath stinks, buuuuuuuutt, since when can the bling read books anyway?
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by shuyin84 November 12, 2009 10:11 AM PST
*Blind
by Bobnla November 12, 2009 10:14 AM PST
I swear this sounds like a hoax.

Daily Show, are you listening?
G4 Attack of the show?

Voig, well done and well said.
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by RoyLoo November 12, 2009 10:32 AM PST
This is truly unbelievable. It shows again how totally disconnected most educational establishments and faculties are from the world. What are they trying to prove? All it shows me is they are not serving the public good and they the education they provide is of questionable value.
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by MattG75 November 12, 2009 11:12 AM PST
Amazing how quickly people jump to the defense of the ebook makers.
Not everyone thinks an ebook reader is an acceptable method for working with textbooks.
Having already earned an MBA and now in law school, people have a real misunderstanding of two driving factors.
1) costs won't drop to make a difference to a student. textbooks are not sold in the volume that other books at your local Barnes and Noble are sold. authors get very high rates per book sold.
2) I, like most people I know, wouldn't want to use an ebook reader. The inability to mark up your texts, having multiple books at once to crosscompare, etc., make an ereader unsuitable. At least with most electronic access sites, i can print out what I need (example: Lexis/Nexis)
For the blind, there are isses that most of us don't face. But paper texts in braille do exist! Ereaders aren't going to solve this.
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by KnowsBooks13 November 12, 2009 1:50 PM PST
Also, the biggest driver of rising textbook costs is the used textbook market. Textbooks have about a three year profit lifecycle and after that lose any profitability because the market is completely saturated by used books. When the product lifecylce is over publishers/authors release a new edition, that text is adopted as a required purchase by faculty and the cycle begins anew.. wide adoption of eBooks will extend the profit lifecycle of a textbook dramatically and will almost completely eliminate the used textbook market, driving the cost of textbooks into a freefall. Can you imagine having an eTextbook that updates itself for free to stay up-to-date as new ideas/research is done? It's not far off.
by Infomaniacal November 12, 2009 12:08 PM PST
The problem with lazy reporting is they don't get the story behind the story. My guess is these schools are smart enough to see what products are on the horizon and they are telling Amazon to get their act together.

Nook is powered by Android. Android is built for application development, Kindle? not so much. Don Reisinger, maybe you should go explore THAT story.

These schools have NDA agreements and will offer electronic options, just not the Kindle!
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by KnowsBooks13 November 12, 2009 1:35 PM PST
You are right. Universities follow the industry closely and know that there are many competing products coming to market (Apple tablet, Microsoft Courier, Nook, VitalSource PC app, etc..) Amazon does need to get it's act together if they want their product used in education. Otherwise it will remain purely a leisure device
by sharmajunior November 12, 2009 12:44 PM PST
I think you meant to say "The National Federation of the Blind is applauding the decisions of Syracuse University and the University of Wisconsin-Madison not to [use] Amazon.com's Kindle DX as a textbook replacement"

Maybe!?.
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by KnowsBooks13 November 12, 2009 1:31 PM PST
What everyone on here is missing is that universities are liable, per Section 508 of the Americans with Disabilities Act, and are required by law to make sure any technology they use is accessible for all, including blind people. That's why you see closed captions, transcripts, etc.. with educational video (for the deaf), and why ALL colleges have a disability services office to provide accomodation to disabled students. A huge part of this job is converting traditional textbooks into accessible e-versions using OCR on a per request basis.

It may seem like the NFB is trying to stifle innovation but in reality the disability community is excited about the possibiliities technology offers to make their lives easier, and instead what we're seeing is unthoughtful product design by organizations like Amazon (and Barnes and Noble for that matter). Technology products should be built with the idea of universal design, just like like any door knob in a modern commercial building. Notice how door knobs are no longer round in commercial institutions (they are now handles to make them easier to use for the physically handicapped). This universal design concept has been translated into almost all non technology products and is finally now being used by *little* tech companies like Apple and Microsoft (Mac OS and Windows 7). Amazon and other tech companies should take note of what the big boys are doing in terms of universal design and follow suit. If they don't their products will never be widely accepted in academia.
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by Voig_Nederlander November 12, 2009 2:03 PM PST
Actually, that's not how it works. The INFORMATION must be accessible, which it is, in the traditional braille and electronic reader forms. The format is of no importance, so long as what it conveys is still available to those with disabilities in other ways.

The transferring of traditional books into electronic format will not preclude their being made available in these disability-friendly formats, so there is no conflict with the law whatsoever.

This is an arbitrary and pointless decision that removes what could be a very useful technology for the overwhelming majority of people in order to placate a very small number of unfortunate people who are not harmed in any way, shape or form by it. If the eBooks somehow contained information NOT available to the blind, then I would be behind the decision 100%. Or if the eBooks sought out and executed blind people. That would be another good reason to ban them.

But disallowing them because a blind person cannot see them is penalizing an overwhelming majority for being blessedly unimpeded, and in short, isn't remotely fair.
by KnowsBooks13 November 12, 2009 2:52 PM PST
@ Voig_Nederlander

The current lawsuit against ASU and other universities for piloting the Kindle may disagree with you, depending on how the case is ruled. What the disability community is advocating for in that lawsuit is equal access to not only information, but to the tools used to convey that information. Decision still pending.

My guess is that the case will be laughed out of court and universities will be clear to adopt these platforms, but until that happens Universities are smart to ere on the side of caution and avoid potentially expensive litigation. The decision by universities to hold off is therefore not pointless.

I agree with you though, eBooks could be a very useful technology to everybody, even those with disabilities if the platforms are designed correctly.
by Voig_Nederlander November 12, 2009 9:59 PM PST
I just looked up 508, and would appreciate your take on it... looks to me as though it only applies to Federal agencies. If so, and they filed suit under 508, the case will never even be heard, because the suit was improperly filed.

But I'm not a lawyer and might be misreading it.

Either way, it's an inane argument from them. If they have the info, who cares where it comes from?
by sonicdivx November 13, 2009 6:20 AM PST
508 is for Federal, though would have to go look and see if it applies to institutions that accept federal funds (probably does).

I do agree this should have been optional technology and there being a equal requirement to use, is definitely a stretch especially since the same content is available via other accessible means.

I do agree the Kindle should be upgraded to better allow other functionality, BUT a second version may need to be created to address the issues. Accessibiity does not inherently improve usability and as such to meet the Federation's requirements may make a device less usable for the majority. Not sure that is a good thing.
by KnowsBooks13 November 13, 2009 1:10 PM PST
508 DOES apply to universities because they receive federal funding in the form of financial aid.

For the most part, if you make things usable for the disabled it does not hurt the rest of us. Using Kindle as an example, they could simply add a "read out loud" button somewhere on the device with little braille instructions (or something... I'm not a UI designer)
by bigDumbBear November 12, 2009 2:06 PM PST
They have these all over University of Washington
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by zeke225 November 12, 2009 2:27 PM PST
in a few more years those schools will have their first tv and computer for student access. or someone will just go and donate the kindles to the school.
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by spacydog November 12, 2009 7:39 PM PST
Outside of the inaccessibility reason for not adopting the Kindle, did the universities find out anything else, like how well the students were able to use the ereader instead of lugging around heavy textbooks? Was note taking on the ereader any good? With any technology, these ereaders can be adapted to include more features, including accessible features that these universities are single handedly pointing out.
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by markmcak November 13, 2009 8:32 AM PST
So, are they also going to ban cars and skateboards that are inaccessible to the blind?
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by gggg sssss November 13, 2009 5:36 PM PST
proving once again that we let the most incompetent among us teach. I suppose that they will next ban textbooks because they are also not accessible.
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