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February 10, 2009 9:07 AM PST

Better reasons to use Linux on the desktop?

by Matt Asay
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In reading through "Top 10 Responses to Why I Should Use Linux? A Linux Evangelists' Reference," I couldn't help but think that Linux needs better evangelists for its desktop crusade.

Take this one:

"Linux is easier to use than Windows. Using the Terminal is not necessary, in most cases."

You don't start by proclaiming Linux easier to use than Windows, then follow that up with the assurance that you won't normally need to use the terminal/command line.

The fact that you might ever have to do so should be enough to scare off most would-be Linux desktop adopters. If the desktop requires a command line (and in my experience, it sometimes does), it's not ready for prime time. Period.

Or how about this one?

"Your porn collection is safe with Linux.

"

Now there's a winning argument for the mainstream adopters of the desktop. I can just hear my grandmother sighing with relief at this assurance from her local Linux evangelist.

There are some very good reasons to use Linux on the desktop, but I can't help but feel that its protagonists continue to miss the mark in their evangelism. Normal people don't care about things like this. They just want the desktop to work and not make a spectacle of itself. They want to be able to install their preferred applications without thinking about the operating system.

For this reason, Linux in the cloud makes a lot more sense right now than Linux on the desktop. Now, that's something worth evangelizing.

Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to The Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mjasay.
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by hymanroth February 10, 2009 9:41 AM PST
I use both Windows and Gnome, and I have to say I'm much more comfortable *manually* installing software under windows.

This relationship is inverted when I use the linux package manager, but not all software I need can be installed this way.
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by alegr February 10, 2009 9:52 AM PST
Does Linux provide a magic fix for user's stupidity? Does it prevent the user from willingly downloading and installing crapware? Those screen savers and smileys, with trojans inside? If it does, I'm all for that.

But if it does not, all this "porn collection is safe" argument is just steer manure.
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by A_Wave February 10, 2009 1:54 PM PST
Linux won't fix stupidity yet, but it does provide a "stupidity condom" of sorts, especially distributions like Ubuntu. And the crapware and trojans typically don't work on Linux at all, willingly installed (or attempted) or otherwise.

A common argument made by MS advocates against Linux on the desktop is that the "non-techie" user will be lost in a sea of command line and software installation issues. I have not found this to be the case at all. Those with no predisposition to Windows seldom have trouble using Linux for their basic computing needs (web, email, word processing, photo manipulation, etc.). At least no more trouble than the have using Windows, and they don't need to worry about the bad stuff that plagues Windows.

The people that seem to have the most trouble with Linux are the users who have become somewhat "Windows savvy", and think that is synonymous with being "computer savvy". They get frustrated when things are done differently, or when their accumulated "expertise" is no longer relevant. Many who depend on the commercial software model for their livelihood often fall into this category, I'm afraid.

I have taught novice users to use Linux easily without ever having to attempt CLI, and I have seen self-proclaimed "power-users" throw hissy fits because they can't download and double-click installcrap.exe to put "harmless" dancing bears or "critical" utilities on their desktop. Maybe it's those users who aren't ready for prime time.
by odubtaig February 10, 2009 9:52 AM PST
Oh dear Lord.

Don't forget the Tin-Foil Beanie moment. You have to be completely ignorant of computer security to believe that the FBI could have a back door into any O/S without someone finding it by now.

It's also, unfortunately, the mindset that's still holding Linux back on the desktop. Too many nerds who don't get that it's not good enough yet and, yes, expecting a home user to learn how to run and maintain an O/S _is_ asking too much.
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by xcal78 February 10, 2009 10:01 AM PST
"Your porn collection is safe with Linux."

LOL - I can see a TV ad for linux using this or a billboard.
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by mcasters February 10, 2009 10:16 AM PST
Linux doesn't "need" any evangelists.

With an estimated 10-20 million users (8+ Ubuntu, 8+ Fedora, etc.) and a very healthy developer community it has all it needs. I can see the distributions (which you refer to as "Linux") get better all the time and I've been a happy Linux user for a few years now. I couldn't care less that the rest of the world doesn't use Linux. We're talking about an operating system here, not a religion or a cult like. And we're not talking about a commercial organization here either. (I guess Apple OSX kinda combines all three here :-)) So no matter how many people buy or download "Linux" it will still be viable.

Beyond a certain number of users, a critical mass, Linux and the ecosystem around it can maintain itself and really shouldn't worry too much about the rest of the world. In the end, you use it because it helps you perform a certain task and you're free to try it. Isn't FOSS wonderful?
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by A_Wave February 10, 2009 1:56 PM PST
Here Here!
by xcal78 February 11, 2009 10:59 AM PST
Exactly, the market share between OS's might vary over time but the 3 players will remain Apple, Linux, and MS for the forseeable future. There's plenty of room in the world for all 3 to thrive and do well.
by ArtInvent February 11, 2009 2:34 PM PST
I would disagree. I use Ubuntu daily, but need a Windows box as well. The principle problem with Linux to me has nothing to do with the OS, it's the lack of a number of high end applications. It would be a tremendous advantage if Linux had like 5-10% of the market because there would be much more impetus to have some decent mid and high end video editors. (Please don't offer up Cinelerra and Kino and Kdenlive et al. I use the latest versions and they are not cutting it.) Something to truly counter the Adobe CS package for pro graphics people (and yes I know Gimp and Inkscape and Krita etc. I follow the development closely and use them but they are not in the same league yet.) Some truly professional CAD software like AutoCAD.

I mean, how can I switch over completely to Linux when I KNOW I won't be able to edit my new HD video camera with it?

There are some awesome apps in FOSS but right now there are still these deal-killer holes. With maybe 50 or 80 million users I think this would change. And then if these major gaps could be filled, the sky's the limit.

All the evangelism and all the time and development spend improving 'usability' of the OS is not going to fix this. I would say put that effort and time and money into filling the app gaps. The rest will take care of itself.
by jjbenning February 10, 2009 10:50 AM PST
If Linux were a real threat, M$ would be out of business by now. I really don't think M$ has anything to worry about.
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by odubtaig February 10, 2009 11:33 AM PST
May Microsoft's shareholders be thankful you're not CEO.
by xcal78 February 10, 2009 11:00 AM PST
Life would be kind of boring if everyone only use one of everything. Honestly we need Linux, Apple, and MS all to have a part in the OS market. How else would we have nice articles like this to debate which one is the best when clearly none of the 3 are the best for everyone. Only 1 auto company would be the same thing. Toyota vs. GM who's better? Depends who you ask, what they like, what they intent it to do, looks, feel, etc. OS's are the same let people have Linux if they feel more secure with it or Apple. If your good with Windows then by all means use it.

It's great Linux finally found it's claim to fame after about 17-18 years of trying.

"Your porn collection is safe with Linux."

I'll stick to MS or Apple over that myself.
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by chocsta February 11, 2009 2:37 PM PST
Yes, stick to MS and Apple for this reason. The statement should read "You are safe having a porn collection" The nastly virusus and spam that comes with some movies; just ain't right!

I use MS for work mainly and Linux at home. By default I am protected because Linux is not as popular. I don't have to drop money to get that new application. Chances are...Linux has already had the same type application for some time. MS follows Linux's lead, minux catching viruses.

All applications don't work the same between OS's and some maybe easier, but conveience comes at a price when you want it.

Someone else here said "Windows XP is reliable and fast and secure for the most part. " and then turned right-around and said "Of course there are flaws with the Windows registry, and the threat of a virus attack is ever present, but it works very well and is familiar." A ridiculous statement as is MS. Also the speed of MS depends on OS version, system resources, and time-of-day!

Kinda sounds like MS is threatened?!...exact same stuff that MAC users were saying when MS pushed them to the curb years ago!

I don't mind MAC, but you aren't as flexible with open-source apps using a MAC, WHICH IS just that! (Keyword: Convenience)
by jeaverage February 10, 2009 12:35 PM PST
I have a BLAST with Linux. Can do so much I could not afford to do with Windows. I won't ever go back. Also has been very nice not to deal with problems like viruses as before.

That said I still help Windows using friends b/c Windows remains in their comfort zone. Several have taken notice of open-source projects like Linux and OpenOffice and I'm very proud to get them started with FOSS.

Linux is promoted with so many different angles it is common to find opinions that seem silly but everyone's needs/wants are different. I'm not going to waste my time debating which OS is best b/c they all have their place and three have a place in my life in different quantities. We purchased an Apple MacBook recently and it is A+. We still have a gaming partition on our computer that uses a much altered version of XP. Home for me on the 'net is still Mint Linux KDE. I don't see this ever changing.

Mint Linux KDE gives me all the important office apps I want, graphic arts, a few games, and all the multimedia software I could never afford back in my Windows user days. Digikam, Amarok, VLC, Mplayer, GIMP, CD rippers and DVD backup. Life's good. On the side Linux also powers my favorite gadgets - my D-Link DNS-323 NAS, my Nokia N810, my WRT54L router, my PVR, and so on.
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by kiwibuntu February 11, 2009 1:42 AM PST
Desktop Linux doesn't need to displace Windows to succeed - it only needs to reach critical mass. And it is nearly there. Once Firefox grew too large to be ignored, browsers, and the web generally, improved considerably. Similarly, a large Desktop Linux market will help drive innovation in computing. And that is something for all IT people to celebrate.
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by sirrobinyellow February 11, 2009 3:42 AM PST
I have used Gnome, KDE and Xfce and they all have their drawbacks and limitations. Apart from the ease with which you can add new applications, there isn't one major thing which a Linux Desktop excels at. Windows XP is reliable and fast and secure for the most part.

If Google took Linux and invested 100 times more money into it as Canonical have then it still wouldn't match up to Windows XP Service Pack 1 for sheer ease of use. Of course there are flaws with the Windows registry, and the threat of a virus attack is ever present, but it works very well and is familiar.

Imagine if Microsoft open sourced Windows XP, that would be a great place to start.
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by odubtaig February 11, 2009 4:12 AM PST
Also impossible. There's a fair amount of code in Windows that MS has licensed from others so it's not entirely their decision to make.

As for Linux, I just think back to how 'usable' it was just five years ago. I wouldn't rule it out on such shaky assumptions. After all, Apple made BSD extremely user friendly for basic home users.
by xcal78 February 11, 2009 8:37 AM PST
I'd have to speculate that with a company of Google's size dumping cash into linux it would start the OS down a road to rival Apple in marketshare in the next 3-5 years. I don't think linux is doing to bad except they lack a major player selling them and providing rock soild support. The only other drawback is getting every app from windows/apple to work on linux. If people can get linux on their new Dell plus have full support on the product as they would with windows the race would be much closer for home users. A $900 dollar desktop would drop to a $750-800 dollar desktop and in this economy that's a big difference.

As far as Windows going to open source. That's going ot be driven by a ton of factors but customers will be a major one. Does IBM, Honeywell, the us government, NASA, etc. want their OS to be open source? If windows went open source I'd prolly become an Apple user.
by odubtaig February 11, 2009 2:59 PM PST
I understood right up 'till the last sentence. Would it somehow go backwards?
by odubtaig February 12, 2009 6:18 AM PST
Oh, and I forgot to mentions. Look up which O/S NASA actually uses a great deal of sometime.
by xcal78 February 12, 2009 7:34 AM PST
Don't have too I have friends who work there and almost accepted a position there myself last year.
by xcal78 February 12, 2009 7:37 AM PST
I didn't pick names of companies out of a hat I strategically picked those names for a reason. :P
by odubtaig February 12, 2009 9:38 AM PST
So you know that at least some departments in NASA use Red Hat/Fedora then?
by xcal78 February 12, 2009 9:43 AM PST
Most of the items that leave Earth are Linux.
by odubtaig February 12, 2009 9:47 AM PST
Not what I'm talking about.

http://digg.com/linux_unix/NASA_uses_Fedora_a_lot
by xcal78 February 12, 2009 9:59 AM PST
This should clear this up fast. :)

Shuttle Discovery?s new software - from OI-32 to Windows XP
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2007/10/shuttle-discoverys-new-software-from-oi-32-to-windows-xp/

"Windows has been the preferred operating system for NASA, and this continues with the upgrade of the laptops from Windows 2000 to Windows XP, which makes its debut on Discovery with STS-120."
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by admoore February 11, 2009 12:56 PM PST
We don't need as much evangelizing for Linux as we do for free software and open standards. I don't care what OS you use as long as it's not impeding me from using what I need to use. That's the problem with the proprietary folks.

We need people who can better articulate the tangible advantages of FOSS in general in layman's terms, rather than hanging our collective hat on a single piece of FOSS code.
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by pentest February 12, 2009 6:03 AM PST
Yup, enforce open standards and the platform and software becomes irrelevant.
by KevinDupuy February 11, 2009 4:33 PM PST
First, I've never heard of Interling, and apparently with 400-something readers, it's not like this is openSUSE or Ubuntu or even a larger Linux magazine or blog coming out with this list. Second, how to promote desktop Linux? By simply getting the name of different distros out and showing off what great features we have and Windows & Mac OS don't. Desktop Effects (Compiz Fusion), F-Spot, Desktop Search (Beagle and Tracker), and Banshee. Great applications that most other applications on most OSs can't touch.
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by AXG February 11, 2009 5:29 PM PST
Wow Compiz is so unique that users will just waste entire weeks/months/years rotating cubes on their desktops, desktop search is a major feature of Linux which btw cannot search for files owned by root. Anyone who says that Linux does not need command line has probably not used Linux for anything but web surfing and e-mail checking. I don't know about others, but I use my PC for a whole lot more than e-mail and web surfing. Linux just doesn't have either the applications or the drivers to support anything.

Linux has come a long way from the first time I used it in 2000. Linux can easily become the OS for desktops but it needs the Midas touch of a visionary and of course, lots of money.
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by pentest February 12, 2009 6:10 AM PST
A lot of ignorance there. It beats Windows hands down in hardware support. You can search for files owned by root, I do it everyday. Without su or sudo. I use Linux for everyday uses, gaming, programming, penetration testing and nothing I do requires the CL because of Linux. I use the CL because it is infinitely more useful and powerful for programs such as nmap, netcat, etc.

People like you amuse me. You have no problem clicking through endless dialogs to perform a simple task but a simple command that goes straight to the functionality you are looking for scares the daylights out of you.

The CL is not archaic, it is not difficult, and it is not a hindrance. It is more productive.

I can't remember the last time I had to install anything on the command line including drivers, which most of them are built in to the kernel anyway, including my wireless drivers. The only exception on my machines is the nvidia video drivers, but that is one button click away.
by pentest February 12, 2009 5:57 AM PST
Matt,

People like you need to stop bashing the command line. It is infinitely more powerful then your average GUI app. It is also not difficult to use. There are some things that are better in a GUI, such as office apps and web browsing(yes, you can surf the web on the CL, which is invaluable if your graphical shell is busted), but if you need to search your file system or tweak a OS setting, the CL beats a GUI app every time.

Given that, Linux is easier than Windows for simple reasons. Three clicks and you have a fully functioning, completely setup computer. You don't have to waste time and cycles on anti-malware tools, it doesn't degrade over time, and it supports more hardware than Windows, admittedly, it is sometimes a little behind the curve on new hardware(2-3 months usually), but that means little to your average computer user. The lack of DRM and OS integrated spyware is a benefit that can not be overstated, even if you don't collect porn(I always wondered about "porn collectors"). No phoning home to ask permission to use your machine, nothing to stop you from exercising your legitimate free use rights, etc, etc,etc.

In other words, Linux acts like an OS should. It sits in the background waiting to be told what to do but otherwise stays out of your way.
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