January 29, 2009 7:07 AM PST

Could Sun swallow Red Hat? Or vice versa?

by Matt Asay
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In the midst of reading Paul Rubens' well-reasoned "Linux vs. Unix Values Evident in Red Hat, Sun Market Valuations," I was struck by this thought:

Who might buy Red Hat is a game that can be played endlessly, and just about everyone who is anyone has been mentioned in the past--Microsoft, Dell, Google, Oracle, you name it. So what about another name that's been mentioned less frequently in the past: Sun?

Much of Red Hat's business is selling support services for open-source software, which is an activity Sun would like to be doing more of. Sun's pretty much got the cash, and such a move might get its share price moving north again.

At one level, it's a ludicrous idea, but on another...perhaps. Neither company has a lot of cash to burn, but the combination of the two could be potent: Red Hat's dominant Linux distribution (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) and JBoss middleware, coupled with Sun Microsystems' deep bench in Java, Open Storage, MySQL, and more.

The pairing would arguably make more sense in the absence of Sun's hardware business, but it's an interesting thought. I doubt that it would happen. Red Hat no doubt feels that it would be burdened by taking on Sun's baggage, and Sun likely wouldn't see much added value from Red Hat's still relatively small $600 million in revenue.

As an outsider, too, I like the two companies as two open-source companies, pushing hard against established, proprietary incumbents to open code, reduce margins, and drive innovation.

Yet my curiosity is piqued. What do you think? Is it a momentary lapse of reason or a seed of a good idea?


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Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to The Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mjasay.
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by jvargas92 January 29, 2009 8:08 AM PST
I think that as a combined business it would be horrible. Sun's hardware business would be a distraction for Red Hat's Linux-support based services and business model, and Sun hasn't cleaned up or organized its side of things. That being said, I think that there would be a great synergy (I know, horrible business word) between the services end and Red Hat MySQL customers would surely benefit from closer access to MySQL development. In my opinion, though, it'd only work if they formed a cooperative alliance, rather than any merger. Mergers are the kiss of death for one company, if not both in the long-run.
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by dragonbite January 29, 2009 8:11 AM PST
Red Hat has been doing well, don't want to ruin that by introducing Sun's baggage as you said.

I hope they stay separate.
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by twolf2919 January 29, 2009 8:16 AM PST
Didn't you just recently write a story that indicated that RH's market valuation exceeded that of Sun Microsystems (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10146879-16.html) ? Since usually the share value is a multiple of the tangible assets (including cash), how could Sun have enough cash to buy Red Hat?
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by SmicroCaps January 29, 2009 9:37 AM PST
In present form, Sun would have to swallow Red Hat. The footprint of Sun is so massive compared to Red Hat's - 15:1 employee ratio, $13B in revenue versus $600M. Red Hat's 25% top line growth would disappear.

If the dream is to have a super powerful, pure play corporate advocate for open source, then it seems best to hope that Sun will spin-off its hardware division and merge the software group with Red Hat. That's not likely. Why? I don't think that Sun's management believes that its hardware (and particularly storage) platform is a liability. And what about OpenSolaris? If Sun can make headway and keep Unix systems out there, there's one less reason to need Red Hat's offerings.

IMO, Red Hat needs more strategic pieces. Sun needs to execute with those it has.
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by fgshareme January 29, 2009 11:14 AM PST
Actually, you have lost your mind..

Apple if it desires the Enterprise would be a better candidate to buy Sun Microsystems from business viability and etc.
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by JadedGamer January 29, 2009 12:37 PM PST
Apple already has an enterprise business with the XServe range of machines and Mac OS X Server operating system. Why dilute it with alien hardware?
by JadedGamer January 29, 2009 12:36 PM PST
It would be sad for us Java developers if that happened; Red Hat's JBoss "division" is making a bunch of OSS solutions which compete with Sun's. Join the companies and one of the families probably dies, leaving us with less choice and less momentum in the enterprise Java space.

That said, Sun pushes "their" solutions heaviøy (with partners like Liferay or without) as reference implementations, and JBoss has a hefty customer base unllikely to switch.
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by MSSlayer January 29, 2009 4:41 PM PST
RedHat and Sun go together like MS and Yahoo.
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by SunnyGuy53 January 30, 2009 9:35 AM PST
> Apple already has an enterprise business with the XServe range of machines and Mac OS X Server
> operating system. Why dilute it with alien hardware?

Because Apple barely has a toehold in the Enterprise -- whereas Sun is huge.

And what alien hardware? Sun is into Intel/AMD in a big way. The build quality is comparable.

Sun provides Solaris, Linux, and Windows. Imagine if OS X were added to that mixture. Bingo.

Maybe replace the FreeBSD/Mach parts of OS X with Solaris parts, and you'd have a dynamic combo.

Sunny Guy

P.S. Sorry if I double posted by accident.
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by saltylaker February 4, 2009 9:51 AM PST
I agree that Sun needs to execute with what it has. By most counts, it has a superior open source operating system in OpenSolaris (dtrace, ZFS) and a more up-to-date application server in GlassFish (being the reference implementation for JavaEE).
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by idfubar February 6, 2009 11:26 PM PST
One can dream...
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Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to the Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is general manager of the Americas division and vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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