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January 19, 2009 7:07 AM PST

Facts behind Microsoft's anti-Linux campaign

by Matt Asay
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Back in 2002, Jim Allchin was co-president of Microsoft's Platforms and Services Division and was, in his own words, "scared" of the momentum behind Linux, as noted in an email [PDF] sent to several of his direct reports.

Why scared? Because Windows was starting to lose to Linux:

My conclusion: We are not on a path to win against Linux. We must change some things and we must do it immediately. The current white papers, etc. are too high level and they are not going to cut it.

So what did Allchin do? As court documents in the Comes vs. Microsoft antitrust suit demonstrate, and as Roy Schestowitz pointed out on his blog Sunday, Allchin started to buy facts. Lots of facts.

What facts? "Facts" about Windows alleged superiority as a preemptive kernel and asychronous I/O, facts that demonstrate that "Linux is old unix." Facts about Windows alleged security superiority over Linux. Facts that go to the heart of Red Hat and IBM's patent indemnification offerings and, frighteningly, Allchin seems to be foretelling Microsoft's later patent FUD against Linux:

We need to understand exactly the risk a customer is under if a patent lawsuit happens and Linux is challenged....There MUST be risks to customers that are being passed on. I want this understood precisely. We need to get the license from IBM given to customers and investigate.

To his credit, Allchin's e-mail constantly re-emphasizes that he's looking for facts, not tabloid marketing against Linux:

Bill [Veghte]/Brian [Valentine]: I need to ask you to take ownership of driving this ahead What I want to see is a package including ALL of these items that we can provide to the field within 2 months (MAX). I am scared....Please remember NO marketing. Facts. No anger toward Linux. Just facts.

But I have to wonder if in amid so much "fact" creation, the truth sometimes got lost.

As reported in 2003 by The Register, among others, Microsoft's incessant drumbeat on "the facts" against Linux displayed a curious infatuation with Linux. If Microsoft truly were better, why spend so much ink (and cash) on building a case against it, at least, one based on "facts"? It seemed a perfect Hamlet moment, wherein Queen Gertrude pithily dismisses a character's comments with "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

The Register wrote in 2003 of Microsoft's fact-buying campaign:

The study is apparently to be used by Microsoft's new kinder, gentler and more fact-based GM for platform strategy Martin Taylor in his campaign to convince customers that nine out of ten cats who expressed a preference reckoned that Linux is pooh. And in this campaign, he has the best facts money can buy.

Did Microsoft cross the line with its "Get the Facts" campaign? Almost certainly. Even so, I'm impressed by Allchin's desire to avoid marketing and stick to facts. The problem is that it's hard to hold to facts when only one side is presenting (and buying) them.

Microsoft eventually disbanded its much-maligned Get the Facts campaign. The former "Get the Facts" Web site is now a much happier place that invites customers to "compare" Linux and Windows, but is much softer in doing so.

Have the facts changed? No. But Microsoft finally came to the realization that its customers weren't stupid and could separate fact from fiction. Sometimes Windows is cheaper. Sometimes it's more secure, is a better technical fit for an organization, etc. But those aren't The Facts. They're site-by-site facts for specific customers, and arguably don't reflect the broader reality, one that has seen rampant, massive uptake of Linux over the past six years since Allchin ordered a directive to find and market "the facts."

Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to The Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mjasay.
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by hymanroth January 19, 2009 7:45 AM PST
Without getting too technical/philosophical, it's hard to see how the words 'fact' and 'software' can sit comfortably together in the same sentence.

At best, one could use some sort of statistical analysis to compare software - but even then the results are unlikely to be true 'facts' (lies, damned lies and ...)

Basically, evaluation of software is a very subjective business.
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by Matt Asay January 19, 2009 8:41 AM PST
A very good point.
by Seaspray0 January 20, 2009 10:47 AM PST
"Basically, evaluation of software is a very subjective business."

Bravo! It all depends on the individual. And that' why no one operating system is best for everyone.
by carnotcycle January 21, 2009 6:29 PM PST
Here's a fact: Matt couldn't even get the first line of his story right. Allchin was not co-president of Platforms and Services Division in 2002. He was Group Vice President of the Platforms Group. C'mon Matt, fact check.
by gtyron January 19, 2009 8:47 AM PST
I beg to differ, customers are stupid, or more precisely they are ignorant of the real issues. The most recent wave of ignorance, a massive backlash against Windows Vista, has of course done nothing to benefit Microsoft, but it illustrates my point. Everyone has been complaining about virtually non-existent stability and performance problems with Vista but are almost completely unaware of, and rarely complain about the mandatory kill switch for all drivers in Vista. The kill switch, on your computer, is to be thrown if Microsoft thinks you are doing something illegal, and to do this already disgustingly intrusive thing on your computer Microsoft must first spy on you.(Note this will not actually start until 2010.)
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by odubtaig January 19, 2009 9:44 AM PST
For 'virtually non-existant' see 'contrary to my direct experience with my own and a number of other people's computers'.

Of course, the thought occurs that the GPU accelerated display could be showing up a lot more shonky memory controllers than the old pure 2D XP interface. All those block memory transfers demand a lot more solidity.
by sdwillie January 21, 2009 9:26 AM PST
"customers are stupid, or more precisely they are ignorant"

More precisely? Those are two words with completely different meanings. Ignorance is a state where information isn't possessed. Stupidity is when that information IS possessed, but the capacity for understanding said information isn't. People often equate the two but they aren't the same thing at all, and neither is a more general nor precise instance of the other. 'Ignorant' and 'stupid' aren't synonyms, though they are often thought of as such due to ignorance (failing to consider the distinction qualifies as ignorance and not stupidity). But there are times when they're equated due to stupidity.
by perspectoff January 27, 2009 2:02 PM PST
Not even close to true. Windows Genuine Advantage has been in place for several years.

When i replaced a burned out motherboard 9but not the hard drive with my Windows operating system intact, the OS recognized a replaced component and locked all my files (using Microsoft's proprietary NTFS). Until i paid Microsoft $99 for a hardware replacement fee, they would not give me the code to unlock the system.

Then, when my hard drive failed, the same thing happened. i had to buy an entire new OS if I wanted to even rescue my NTFS files on the crippled hard drive.

Windows Genuine Advantage is indeed a spy program, and it is only one of about 10 Windows modules that report back to Microsoft servers constantly. You won't know that unless you use a non-Microsoft firewall, by the way.

So yes, there is both spy programs and kill switches embedded in Windows -- there has been for several years now.

That's why I use Kubuntu, now.
by gtyron January 28, 2009 3:34 PM PST
Indeed, I'm an Ubuntu user myself now because of this mess. While the Windows Genuine Advantage has been in place for years there are new restrictions for other kinds of products. Though if you'd still had the Windows install disk you could have reinstalled after using a live cd to access your files and placing them on an external hard drive, though, the idea that you'd even have to do that is itself ridiculous.
As for sdwillie, you are a complete ******, everyone knows what I mean and my use of the word "stupid" was a reference to a part of the main article. Furthermore the words have similar meanings even if they're not identical, were they identical I would have left it at stupid. I can't believe you would even go to the trouble of writing a whole paragraph about that, does it matter? You had nothing to say about anything pertaining to the article or my post except for a tiny error in my English and nothing about the message of the post. I don't mind if you criticize the message of the post(with a decently educated perspective on the topic), but your post was completely irrelevant.
by Mr. Dee January 19, 2009 8:57 AM PST
1 Billion Happy, productive Windows users vs. 0.01% Linux monkeys.

That is a fact.
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by odubtaig January 19, 2009 9:40 AM PST
I'm sorry, you just used the term 'happy, productive' in the context of computer users. I thought you were thick before.
by zelrik January 19, 2009 11:32 AM PST
That is a fiction. I wont bother giving you references, check for yourself.
by Mr. Dee January 19, 2009 1:16 PM PST
MSSlayer, it takes one to know one. Get over yourself, you are probably one of the biggest Windows Vista 64 bit users on this planet, but suffer from the conflicted internal Microsoft jealousy syndrome that so many of you Linux Trolls inherit from Torvald and Stallman.
by protagonistic January 19, 2009 1:58 PM PST
After having worked on more OSs than you probably knew existed I have to take issue with that statement. Windows users, yes. Productive, maybe. Happy, not bloody likely. I have seen very few "happy" Windows users. Most use it because they don't know any better.

I used Windows for many years and quite frankly I would rather go to the dentist and have teeth pulled without Novocain than switch back to Windows. I have used both Vista and the Windows 7 beta. While both are nice they both leave a lot to be desired.
by russkeller January 19, 2009 2:11 PM PST
"1 Billion Happy, productive Windows users vs. 0.01% Linux monkeys.

That is a fact."


BWAAAA HAHAHAHAHA!!! It's called Monopoly, Microsoft won and bought the USDoJ to avoid getting broken up. Happy, productive my @!#&*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOh6Nh8w6f8
by MSSlayer January 19, 2009 2:34 PM PST
Nope, I don't use crap.

I am typing this on a machine running opensuse 11.1.

I just despise morons. Sorry.
by Dalkorian January 20, 2009 8:38 AM PST
The FACT, Mr. Dee, is that prostitution is illegal. I'd watch out if I were you, the undercover agents are zeroing in on you as I type ...

In the mean time, enjoy your slavery. Walls, ceilings, whips and chains aren't for everyone, but I understand some masochistic sickos like that kind of stuff.
by ckurowic January 20, 2009 11:12 AM PST
Dee you friggin' troll, get a life.
by s0055d January 21, 2009 7:33 AM PST
My daughter was an unhappy Windows user. Her family pictures were stuck on her windows computer. It wouldn't start up for her. She was heartbroken. That is until dear old dad, me, came by.
I took the uncooperative Windows box home. I booted it up with a live Linux CD. Then I saved all of her pictures to a DVD. With Linux.

Pretty sad when a monkey with free Linux has to rescue a commercial for profit o.s.'s data, isn't it? It's not the first and not the last time , I'll be asked to "rescue data" from an unreliable Windows system. What I'm seeing these days is that Linux installs run a lot more hardware "out of the box" than Windows. No hunting and installing drivers. I had Fedora 8 on my system. One day, after an "automatic" kernel update, an obscure USB wireless adapter that was not supported, suddenly worked! And it wasn't sporadic like it acts in Windows. Microsoft had better pray that Game software companies don't turn to Linux. If they do that will be the end of Windows!
Wait until companies realize how much $$$ that can save with Linux, in these times. As the economy tanks, so will "peer pressure" to use Windows.
by jezzali January 21, 2009 8:55 AM PST
I'm a happy, productive, virus, spyware, crippleware and trialware free, fast and reliable Linux monkey. And so are almost half of my friends and colleges.

That is a fact.
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by shootthecops January 19, 2009 10:01 AM PST
this is why no one trusts Microsoft. they have been known to bribe reviewers.
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by t8 January 21, 2009 4:59 PM PST
They even paid someone to edit their Wikipedia page.

Shame on them.
by chworktap January 19, 2009 1:11 PM PST
I dislike Windows just as much as the next guy but I wish I had a dollar for every sarcastic embittered pro-Linux anti-Windows article that I've read.

Clearly this article is written to have an emotional -- rather than intellectual -- impact. Very amateurish.

Here you try to make your points by insinuation ("thou doth protest too much" -- oh and thanks by the way for sourcing that quote) rather than by anything concrete. And, oh the irony of sarcastically using the word "facts" in quotes! It blows me away as much as you using the word "pithy" to describe the tone of the other side.

Anyway, as a result of your tone this article alienates everyone who isn't firmly in your camp, and you've achieved exactly the opposite of what you've set out to do. I'll file this article with the other ten billion exactly like it..

(But seriously though, thanks for sourcing the Hamlet quote,)
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by tm_anon January 19, 2009 4:17 PM PST
You may want to read the article again. He used the word "facts" as he did because what ended up being used were anything but facts. I read exactly the same article you did and saw him commending Allchin again and again for wanting only facts. Notice the lack of quotes there? That's because Allchin wanted the real thing, not what he ended up getting. Give me 100% verifiable facts from the ground up and I'll go through them myself and determine who the real winner is. The problem is, I've done my own personal tests on my own personal computer. Linux won by a landslide.

BTW Matt, your reference to Hamlet was perhaps the best bit of writing I've seen on CNET so far, keep up the good work.
by A_Wave January 19, 2009 1:23 PM PST
I think the fact that Linux is on the radar with MS and Apple, and the fact that it arouses such passion in proponents and naysayers alike, speaks to the impact the FOSS movement is having on computing.

I've been a (happy,productive) GNU/Linux user for over 10 years. I've taught courses in which FOSS was a major component. That being said, I am not an advocate of Linux for everyone because I don't want to see good distributions diluted simply to appeal to a larger user base.

If you are unconcerned with privacy issues and have no desire to "own your means of production", so to speak, by all means stick with what makes you happy. If you are threatened by or hostile towards Open Source in general or GNU/Linux in particular, PLEASE stay in the shallow end of the pool! It warmer there (we all know why) and those of us in the deep end won't be forced to remove the diving platforms and put up a covered water slide to keep you happy.
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by Miron111 January 20, 2009 4:37 AM PST
Oi - Oi - Oi,

I do not dispute the honorable history of *X and anytime I type at the terminal I acutely aware that I do pay heed to what once was a dream in AT&T lab of a few perhaps finest software engineers this Earth ever encountered. Perhaps this is one of the reasons, emotional and historical significance, why *X avoided being stymied in her cradle. If any business showed qualities that *X shown when it began attempts to come out on critical US market, it would of being sued to death not because of IP but because of poor service.

Windows is a lot better and will remain so in the foreseeable future.

Was it not for Get The Facts commitment from Microsoft we would be facing a different reality today. It was dead on timely, accurate, absolutely transparent and feared by people standing behind *X so badly that they in the end resorted to attacks on Windows and personally on people working on this fact finding mission.

This is such a piece of sorry history for *X community that I fail to grasp why raise this issue at all. Be happy that Microsoft softened stance due to internal politics. Not the least, say thanks to Novell for working with Microsoft on bridging the two OS's and giving the poorer OS at least basic support. Not lip service.
by Dalkorian January 20, 2009 8:45 AM PST
I hope M$ has paid you well for your tripe and lies Miron111. Your soul is dirtier now, it better have been worth it.

The ONLY thing better about winblows is the sense of slavery it inflicts upon it's victims. WGA is not welcome on any machine I use in a productive environment (it's suffered on my "game console", which is my nickname for the box that still has ex-pee on a partition, initially just to get access to MY FILES once again when M$ decided that they has some right to take over and lock up MY COMPUTER).

Whatever. Enjoy your slavery. Just don't expect any tears from anyone when your master starts beating you senseless.
by ckurowic January 20, 2009 11:15 AM PST
Apple never makes jabs at Linux, A_Wave. After all that would be foolish since they are running on BSD Unix. I'm a life long Apple user. At the end of the day OS 10 is a just a fancy GUI for Unix really, but a damn good one!
by AWJJensen January 19, 2009 1:42 PM PST
Just to remind everyone, some of the worlds fastest and most powerful super-computers run a modified Red Hat Linux distribution. Neither Apple or Microsoft can claim this.
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by DJC1979 January 19, 2009 2:15 PM PST
I am sure they're really missing the revenue from such a huge market. The fact that Linux is open source makes it easier for companies to modify distributions to make it fit their need - it doesn't make Apple or Microsoft any less competent or capable. It might just cost a little too much cash to make them fit that need. Doesn't make financial sense.
by MSSlayer January 19, 2009 2:37 PM PST
Given that MS tried to break into the supercomputer and cluster market and failed, it does mean that MS is incompetent.
by rapier1 January 19, 2009 2:41 PM PST
Linux yes, red hat... maybe not so much. Only 6 of the top 500 supercomputers use red hat. Oh, of those 500, 5 of them are windows based. 1 is an OS X system. So both Microsoft and Apple can both claim some of the most powerful supercomputers are running their OS.
by rapier1 January 19, 2009 2:52 PM PST
@MSSlayer,

4 of the top 500 systems are using Windows HPC 2008. Given the lead time on buildout of really big clusters that's not a bad showing for a new OS flavor (proposal to full build out is usually around 2 years for a major cluster). One of them, Akka at Umea University (Sweden) debuted at 39th - not a bad showing. Another one in China debuted at 10th this past November. I think the increased availability of certified infiniband drivers is helping out a bit.
by tm_anon January 19, 2009 4:23 PM PST
@rapier1
So, what you're saying is that between MS and Apple, they make up the same number of supercomputers as Red Hat alone. Out of 500 supercomputers, 12 use Red Hat, Windows or OSX, the other 488 use what OS again? For a "minority" OS, that's a really good showing.
by rapier1 January 20, 2009 12:20 PM PST
@tm_anon

The vast majority use linux or some variant of it (CLN, SLES) but AIX and other OSes are in the mix. The point of my response wasn't to undercut the value of Linux in the HPC sector but to point out that the original poster was wrong in their assumptions. Both Apple and MS can claim respectable positions in the top 500 list. The people who build and run HPC equipment generally aren't wedded to a single OS - the changes in the OS make up of the Top 500 list over the years attest to that. They're generally just interested in finding what works best for their application - most right now find it to be Linux but if another OS provides a better solution they'll use that.
by t8 January 21, 2009 5:03 PM PST
To add to that. Most server farms such as Google's is running Linux. This is a big market. Google has a market share of web servers that registers as 5th place in the web server market behind Apache, Microsoft, Sun, and nginx.
by Vegaman_Dan January 19, 2009 1:56 PM PST
The author is commenting *now* about something that happened 6-7 years ago?

Wouldn't it make more sense to try writing about the *current* situation instead of blogging about history?
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by lmasanti January 19, 2009 2:13 PM PST
Maybe about the "I'm a PC" adds with Gates and Seinfeild?
by dude7895 January 19, 2009 2:15 PM PST
I think C|net is secretly run by Apple.
by MSSlayer January 19, 2009 2:39 PM PST
1. Not much has changed

2. This is current news since these laughable emails are only coming out now due to MS getting sued yet again for its sleazy practices.
by linux22 January 19, 2009 2:10 PM PST
Get the facts about linux <a href="http://www.promotinglinux.com/truth/">right here.</a> Stop the Microsoft fud machine.
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by someguy999 January 19, 2009 4:08 PM PST
I envy the day where cnet finally wakes up and realizes that this guy only write propoganda pieces... talking about digging... allchin has been gone for a couple years dude, get over it.

Its good he's gone, but the rest of the world has moved on.

not terribly surprised about this piece... I was actually almost excited to read the piece about zimbra... until I realized it didn't add any real value and tell me anything more than they've grown in adoption.... I honestly thought he might write an objective article which tells the pluses of Zimbra... instead he basically says "yeh! they've grown... now they just need to kill exchange". I didn't know anything about Zimbra and effectively after reading that article, I still don't.

Poor writing from a guy who seems to let his personal vindetta against MS consume a news column.

Its alright to write about Open Source and not let your emotions get the better of you on almost every piece.
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by tm_anon January 19, 2009 4:38 PM PST
Did you even read the article? He mentioned Allchins emails in a good light, making note of the fact of his push to get actual, real facts about Linux. Allchin being gone (at least when it's based off of a true desire to get real facts) is a very poor way to handle this.

I've read many articles written by this author and, from all the articles I've read on CNET, these are some of the most objective I've come across.

Of course, since you obviously disagree, how about writing your own articles? Let's get a look at your own ability to remain completely objective while writing an article about an OS. How about starting one about Linux? You could also write one about Windows 7 and another one about the newest OSX version available.

Or you could try reading the article without having an agenda for trying to belittle the author and realize that there are indeed facts available and in use in many, if not all, of the articles available from this particular author. I'm not claiming he's perfect, I'm simply saying he does a very good job.
by EricTor1 January 19, 2009 4:35 PM PST
I was curious about the "massive uptake of Linux" link near the end of the article so I clicked on it ("massive uptake" being a pretty strong statement). What I learned is this (of course) refered to Linux as a server, not desktop system, and furthermore that a big part of the story was that Linux was "eating into Unix". Hmmmm.
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by AppleSuxLeo January 19, 2009 5:32 PM PST
I have the best of both worlds...My Asus MOBO has Express Gate (mini-Linux) which allows me to boot in about 3 seconds and be on the net , etc. Can`t be written to so is totally safe for web-browsing via the built-in FF.
Booting into Windows is just a click away when I want to do more things Linux doesn`t support like gaming. I had the first Replay TV in 1999 that ran flawlessly on Linux. The kernel of Palm`s WebOS is also Linux (Palm Pre is my next phone) My Scientific Atlanta 8300HDC allowing me to watch and record in HD I believe runs on Linux. Linux is very important in more ways than most people realize.
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by random truth January 20, 2009 7:33 PM PST
I am going to ask again. Are you high or are you just a little kid.
A. Asus Express Gate has nothing on real linux.
B. Who cares if you can boot in 3 seconds.
C. Everything does not run on linux.
D. Do you even know what LInux is?
E. Palms webOS is not Unix or Linux based.
F. My company has a mac pro that has about 60 os's installed on it. Does that mean it gets the best of 60 worlds?
by JCPayne January 20, 2009 2:25 AM PST
One thing that has led to my little hiatus from Linux is I feel Linux companies need to hold peripherals manufactures' feet more to the fire. I wish there was one central website by the main Linux companies where they literally benchmarked some of the computer equipment out there and gave hard stats on the best equipment maker to go with. E.g. NVIDIA +ATI I think it was had been chided in the past about their graphics cards drivers on Linux. If they refuse to support the Linux community better then Linux shouldn't be afraid to call them out on it and see if the competition wants to step in and fill the void.
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by Ted Miller January 20, 2009 4:47 AM PST
If Microsoft is to get it right, they need to go back to the Windows 2k and XP Era. With the simplicity of their file management. In IT we usually bust XP down to something of 2k, and all the users are extreamly happy with their enviroments. So happy they even say our setups are better then the ones they have at home. This is also what makes some Linux Distros better the Windows is the ease of use.

Remember people want to create or manage things with their computers and not baby sit an operating system all day long. Its really that simple.
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by inachu January 21, 2009 6:09 AM PST
This will get worse unless you disable themes under services. I get performace increase up to and sometimes over 10% by disabling themes.
by Linuxiac38 January 20, 2009 5:39 AM PST
"Baby sit" is the right term for Microsoft, and, for the common user who buys a PC and just expects it to work, but, in a few minutes time discovers some of the Million Microsoft Virus/trojan/bot/exploits, it is a revelation that Ubuntu does more, better, and loads up in only 20 minutes, and updates not only the system, but, ALL third party software!

Entire cities, counties, provinces, even countries, enjoy less IT overhead, fewer IT techs required, now that they have switched to Linux. Look at China, Pakistan, Turkey, France, England, Cuba, and 124 others, and their stable Linux environments, FREE and Open for all citizens to review.

Linux does gaming, comes with several hundred games. But, with your head in the sand, you will not discover true freedom, and thousands of FREE applications.

True Freedoms exist in open systems, where there are no built -in back doors for the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other snoops. Get a FREE CD image from http://livecdlist.com or Ubuntu.org or LinuxMint.org .

All you have to lose are your shackles! Funy how the 'oppressive' governments are all embracing Open Source OSes!
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by odubtaig January 20, 2009 2:52 PM PST
2/10
by AppleSuxLeo January 20, 2009 6:04 AM PST
With Linux as an option , there really is no need for Apple to exist.
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by rapier1 January 20, 2009 12:21 PM PST
Well, except for the fact that OS X still provides, in my view, a better experience to the end user that isn't interested in also being a sysadmin.
by random truth January 20, 2009 7:34 PM PST
Wow, Have you just tried linux. You are acting the same way about linux as you acted about windows 3 months ago...
by AppleSuxLeo January 21, 2009 11:08 AM PST
My Asus MOBO has a mini version of Linux (Express Gate) that boots in about 3 seconds and allows me to do Web (Fire Fox) , Skype , multiple chat programs etc. And since it can`t be written to , it is THE SAFEST way to browse the web. With PC`s we get such choices. It`s the best of both worlds. Can your Apple computer boot in 3 seconds ?
Did you know Asus makes the MOBO`s for Mac books and iMacs ?
by rapier1 January 21, 2009 11:23 AM PST
Have I used linux before? Yes, I've been using it since at least 1994 when I first installed it at home. I wasn't impressed and switched back to BSDi. I still used linux on some installs at work but not really on the desktop. In the mid to late 90s I switched to free and netbsd. Around '99 or 2000 I started using linux again because it became a lot more stable and started developing a superior network stack. I still prefer using OS X as a unix development environment (though I use Vista at home and for 'fun' things) because I don't have to spend as much time being a sysadmin on it. However, for production servers I generally use Linux.

Why do you ask?
by rapier1 January 21, 2009 11:27 AM PST
@AppleSuxLeo

If all you are doing is browsing the web then that is a fine option. I tend to do more than just web browsing when I'm on a computer though. As such, these sort of minimal function sets aren't all that practical for me. If they work for you though, then that's great. I'm glad you found a solution that works for you.
by CBattery January 20, 2009 10:36 AM PST
"the broader reality, one that has seen rampant, massive uptake of Linux over the past six years since Allchin ordered a directive to find and market "the facts."

Yeaaa.....massive and rampant, all the way up to 0.8% market share. http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9. Maybe your definition of massive and rampant are different than mine.
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by rapier1 January 20, 2009 12:22 PM PST
It depends on the market. Since 2000 linux has gone from having no share in the top 500 supercomputers (top500.org) to over 80% of that sector. Its a pretty massive uptake in that area. On the desktop... not so much growth.
by UITD January 21, 2009 10:02 AM PST
I wonder how we'll all pay for electric, food, water, fuel, insurance, etc when we dont charge for our work? Its not linux that I hate, its the "free" part of it that makes absolutely ZERO sense. Last I looked, my bills were stacking up and so are everyone else's. Care to explain how we'll pay our bills if we're all being taught to GIVE AWAY OUR WORK? What a utopian fruitcake society we've become.
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by perspectoff January 27, 2009 2:04 PM PST
You're not giving it away. You're trading it for the work of others.

You clearly have never been to a barn-raising where the whole town gets together to build a farmhouse. For nothing. Because it's a community.

Many many communities on earth exist like this.
by AppleSuxLeo January 21, 2009 11:18 AM PST
Yes...to all the people in denial out there (Apple users) Palm`s "WebOS" kernel is Linux.
If Jon Rubinstein , head of Apple product development for 10 years (now works for Palm) , says it is Linux , it IS Linux.
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by jessiethe3rd January 21, 2009 7:47 PM PST
Linux... the new Amiga.
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Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to the Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is general manager of the Americas division and vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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