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October 30, 2008 6:07 AM PDT

Microsoft: So cool, it invented Apple, too

by Matt Asay

Al Gore may have invented the Internet, but Microsoft's head of research, Rick Rashid, has an even bigger claim: he invented Apple.

Speaking at a recent Microsoft Professional Developers Conference, Rashid makes the claim that he wrote Apple before Apple was cool, as captured in All Things Digital:

If you use a Macintosh or an iPhone, which honestly, I would not recommend, you would be using code that I wrote more than 25 years ago. If you'd asked me 25 years ago if I thought code I was [writing would be] running today on a cellphone, my reaction would have been, 'What's a cellphone?' It just shows you things really do survive and get used in interesting ways.

It also shows why the US copyright system rewards those that implement ideas, and not merely those that have ideas, or why it's critical to move beyond "mere code" to implementing it in killer products and a rising company, as Apple has.

It's nice that Rashid was involved in writing Mach, the microsystem kernel powering Mac OS X today, but I'm guessing that Rashid would have preferred to have his company follow through and write OS X, rather than Vista.

Maybe in 25 more years, Rashid.

Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to The Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mjasay.
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by wolivere October 30, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
"It also shows why the US copyright system rewards those that implement ideas, and not merely those that have ideas, or why it's critical to move beyond "mere code" to implementing it in killer products and a rising company, as Apple has."

Have you paid much attention to the copy writ suites going on these days? its not at all about implementing its about those who had an idea and registered it as vaguely as possible to put the biggest net possible out there.

I would take from his comments that the core code is 25 years old and he is surprised its still out there. But I am sure there is still code in MS that is as old or older. Some code just is good.
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by odubtaig October 30, 2008 8:07 AM PDT
"had an idea and registered it as vaguely as possible"

You're talking about patents, not copyright. The fact that you can't copyright an idea but only an implementation or expression of that idea seems to have bypassed you.
by George Gray October 30, 2008 7:05 AM PDT
So, this guy writes code in the Mach kernel two and a half decades ago-BEFORE working at Microsoft-and you feel the need to say the MICROSOFT is making the claim? WHAT? Where did he say that? Where did he imply that? C'mon...you guys lose credibility with every headline like this.
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by timber2005 October 30, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
I agree :-/ There was no need to make it sound like MICROSOFT made the statement.
by Mark_Anderson October 30, 2008 4:38 PM PDT
He had credibility to start with?
by grabaclue October 30, 2008 7:29 AM PDT
Rashid never claimed to have "invented Apple", only to have written some code in the Mach kernel. And Microsoft never made any claims whatsoever.

This entire article is misleading at best.

Come on, CNET, you're much better than this.
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by Mark_Anderson October 30, 2008 4:39 PM PDT
CNET are, Matt isn't unfortunately which is why we probably won't see him around for much longer.
by ppgreat October 30, 2008 8:20 AM PDT
Satire, people, satire. It's sometimes a difficult concept. Like sarcasm.
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by softwaredesignengineer October 30, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
Guys, It's Matt Asay, he has to have "the daily Microsoft beef" to feed his anti-Microsoft shills even if it means distorting stuff. Just read yesterday's post on Vista which contained absurdities that smack in the face of facts.
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by the_redistributor October 30, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
Right on Softwaredesignengineer! The anti-Microsoft shills are ridiculous to say the least. Let's see Linux, you know the 1960's (LOL!) OS try to move to the cloud. Good luck!!
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by The_Decider October 30, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
LOL

1. There is no such thing as the cloud, it is just specific servers on the internet.

2. You might want to open your eyes, Linux is running most of the servers on the internet.
by blakstarIT October 30, 2008 9:17 AM PDT
Really, someone who is supposed to be pro Open Source, and you praise APPLE??

Seriously, MS has it's closed code, but Apple goes one further by locking everything, including hardware - how does that fit into your open source world?

I used to think this was a blog with some credibility - now I see it's just another anti-MS rag...

Move on, nothing to see here......
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by Vegaman_Dan October 30, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
It's not about anti-anything. This blog is here to generate page views and that feeds the advertisers. It really doesn't matter what the author posts as long as he writes something that gets people to look at it and generate those page views. It could be truth in reporting, it could be slander, it could be an opinion of the proper wine to have with your moon cheese. It really doesn't matter at all. As long as people read it, then the author has succeeded.

Don't like the blog? Tell the CNET editors directly. Or simply stop visiting the blog. That hurts in page views which cuts down the time the advertisers get their message out. That is the way you can make your voice heard.
by TV James October 30, 2008 9:32 AM PDT
"which I would not recommend" - he doesn't really go on to say why. Unless to suggest that he doesn't trust his code. If I wrote something 25 years ago (when I was 9) and it was still in use today, I'd think that maybe I'd done a good job.

This comment is just another example of the verbal spew that comes from a culture of arrogance that Microsoft has failed to purge (maybe it hasn't tried?) but needs to if it's going to survive, especially if it's going to let its employees be quoted in this ever increasingly social and interconnected world where Microsoft is already perceived pretty negatively.
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by jrepenning October 30, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
Mach was also open-source, before open-source was cool. As was its progression of uses that led it eventually into FreeBSD, the Mac, and the iPhone. The "things [that] really do survive, and get reused in interesting ways" do so because they're open: when one use loses steam another can reinvent it.
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by ViewRoyal October 30, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
Microsoft also claims to have discovered America in 1942 (the 1492 Columbus thing was just a hoax).
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by cowatson October 30, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
Matt,

When Microsoft Research released Worldwide Telescope did you do a piece on how Microsoft says they invented the solar system?

Idiot.
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by Mehboob Alam October 30, 2008 4:18 PM PDT
Matt.. it would have helped if you gave due credit to Avi Tevanian, who coded the bulk of the Mach micro-kernal and was Dr. Rashid's PhD student.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Tevanian

Microsoft hired Rick Rashid, after Avi turned down a job offer there and joined NeXT instead.. or so the lore goes.. (wish I could find a link to confirm this)
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