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Drones: America's new Air Force

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Every so often in the history of war, a new weapon comes along that fundamentally rewrites the rules of battle. This is a story about a revolution in unmanned aviation that is doing just that.

Most people know them as drones; the Air Force calls them unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs. And right now, there are dozens of them in the skies over Iraq and Afghanistan, hunting down insurgents, every minute of every day.

They've become one of the most important planes in the United States Air Force--and yet the pilot is nowhere near the aircraft or the battlefield. They are controlled by remote control, from thousands of miles away.

Many of the details of this weapons program are classified, but our "60 Minutes" team was given secret clearance and unprecedented access to bring you this story.

Forty-five miles north of Las Vegas, on the edge of the Mojave desert, is Creech Air Force base. It is home to the only wing in the Air Force where none of the pilots ever leave the ground.

Colonel Chris Chambliss was one of the top F-16 fighter pilots in the Air Force, a member of the legendary Thunderbirds. Now the unit he commands has no jets - just pilotless planes known as the Reaper and the Predator.

Creech is the first base in Air Force history that exclusively flies unmanned aircraft.

"Right now, sitting here at Creech, we are about 7,500 miles away from the battlefield in Iraq or Afghanistan. How close though is this base to the fight that's going on there?" correspondent Lara Logan asked Chambliss.

"I don't think we're 7,500 miles away at all," he replied. "I think if you walk out the hangar and you go into one of the ground control stations, you're in the fight."

The fight for the pilots is on a video screen. In one mission, a truck full of insurgents in Afghanistan was being tracked by the pilot. When the ground commander gave the order, a missile was fired, hitting its target.

The trigger is pulled in Nevada, inside cramped, single-wide trailers and small offices. Two hundred and fifty pilots work in shifts around the clock. Alongside each one of them is a crew member who operates the plane's onboard camera, and a behind-the-scenes team of intelligence analysts.

Real-time view from far, far away
The planes aren't launched at Creech Air Force Base. They take off from locations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and crews in Nevada take control by satellite once the aircraft is several thousand feet in the air.

What the pilots see is a real-time view of the battlefield from thousands of feet in the air, beamed back live from cameras mounted on the unmanned planes. It's what the soldiers on the ground call their "eyes in the sky."

"I'm living the same fight as those guys. Or at least I'm seeing the same fight," Lieutenant Colonel Chris Gough, who flew F-16 combat missions over Kosovo, explained.

Now he flies combat missions over Afghanistan, by remote control.

"There are arguments that we aren't as engaged in the war. I've heard those arguments. And I can tell you that--and I'm happy to tell ya--that I've never been more engaged in a conflict in my life," he told Logan.

And he's never been safer. Gough sits half a world away from the war zone.

"Physiologically, the stimulus and response, exactly the same. I'm not going 400 miles an hour, which means when I pull the stick, I don't get 5 G's on my body. I have much more ability to process and to comprehend what's going on on the battlefield and the information just conveyed to me, and better relay that information to who needs it," Gough explained.

Asked if it is stressful, he told Logan, "Terribly."

And terribly in demand--soldiers on the ground have come to depend on it.

"I've heard the guys say--you know, they don't want to step out the door without eyes in the sky," Logan remarked.

"Sure, I have a brother who's an Army Special Forces. And honestly I wouldn't want him stepping out the door without this thing over the top of him either," Gough replied.

The Air Force now has 28 Reapers, each one costing about $11 million. It can fly as high as 50,000 feet, sit over a target for 15 hours straight, and is as dangerous as a fighter jet.

The Reaper is the Air Force's newest and most lethal unmanned plane, carrying 500 lb. bombs and Hellfire missiles.

But the most important weapon is the aircraft's million-dollar camera. "I don't want them to know that I'm watching their every move. That unseen, unblinking eye is really the effect that I want to give the ground commander. The fact that they don't know that I'm watching them--that's really the magic," Gough said.

The Air Force also has 116 Predators. The Predator is smaller than the Reaper, but it can stay up in the air even longer, 24 hours at a time. It can be miles away from its target, flying undetected through the clouds, while zooming in on an unsuspecting enemy.

We saw that ourselves when the Air Force flew a Predator over our heads, about 2 miles high in the sky.

From 10,000 feet above, the Predator was able to zoom in and send back a very precise image of Logan and the "60 Minutes" team standing on the grounds of Creech Air Force Base. The Predator couldn't be heard or seen by the team, even though they knew the exact whereabouts of the drone.

The Predator's camera even followed the "60 Minutes" team as they drove off the base's flight line. It's this ability that makes it difficult for enemy fighters to escape.

Chambliss showed us exactly how these aircraft do that.

Tracking a "hot gun"
In one video declassified for "60 Minutes," a group of insurgents in Iraq had just ambushed a U.S. convoy. They were trying to get away, but the Predator was watching.

"This is a hot gun," he said, pointing on the screen to a moving human figure on the ground, carrying a gun-shaped object that looked white on the screen.

Asked what he meant by "hot gun," Chambliss explained, "Well it's literally, in this scene, white is hot--and that white spot that this guy is carrying is actually a hot gun. So it's been fired--and we already know it's been used. We've met positive identification criteria that these are bad guys, and so now we can go ahead and strike these targets."

"Do you believe that Predators and Reapers are changing the face of war?" Logan asked.

"When we can take 34 airplanes, and we can have them airborne all the time, and they can look at whatever we need them to look at, that's a huge capability and so because of that, the enemy has to do things differently now. They have to hide more. They don't know when we're looking at 'em. They don't know where we are," Chambliss replied.

The pilots' aerial view of the battlefield often allows them to see the enemy before the soldiers on the ground can. Gough gave "60 Minutes" an example of how he once used this advantage to expose a suspected sniper.

"We called down to the convoy and said, 'Hey how about if you start your engines and just move 10 meters for me,'" he recalled. "And as soon as they did that this individual reached down and pulled a rifle out."

"We were in short order able to engage that individual successfully," Gough told Logan.

The target was hit with a Hellfire missile.

"What if you get it wrong?" Logan asked.

"We don't," Gough replied.

"Ever?" Logan asked.

"That's a tough question," Gough said after a pause. "Yeah. We have the resources to make sure we're right. In battle, in combat, in the fog and friction of war, there are always gonna be times that your judgment isn't with hindsight, you can see things with more clarity."

"But you're not there in the fog and friction of war. You're sitting here in your cockpit in Nevada," Logan remarked.

"And that's what makes us more powerful and have that clarity, because I'm able to distance myself from the fight and use resources that are otherwise unattainable to the combatants," Gough replied.

In spite of that clarity, unmanned planes and Air Force jets are criticized in Afghanistan for killing innocent civilians, including an incident just this week that is under military investigation.

Across the border in Pakistan, where the CIA operates, they're blamed for even more deaths. The CIA wouldn't talk to "60 Minutes" about their operations. But, the Air Force argues that the ability of these planes to sit over a target for extended periods makes them more precise than piloted planes.

We got a sense of that when the Air Force let us sit with Predator pilots in Nevada while they kept a close watch on U.S. soldiers along the Afghan-Pakistan border. What one could see, through the Predator's infrared camera, was a Chinook helicopter offloading troops.

This was happening in the dead of night, so on the ground it was pitch-black. The Predator crew in Nevada was tasked to watch over the soldiers as they got some rest--pulling guard duty from half a world away.

Large white spots seen on the screen in Nevada were the soldiers' sleeping bags, thousands of miles away. The infrared image is so sensitive that once the soldiers are inside the bags, the image can distinguish between the cool sleeping bag and the soldier's warm heads, shown as black circles poking out of the white sleeping bags.

Telecommuting to the battlefield
The crews spent hours studying suspected insurgents. They had just seen a group of men ambush U.S. troops. The pilot can take them out and still make it home in time for dinner.

Logan joined Gough one morning as he headed to work to ask him what that's like.

"To go and work and do bad things to bad people is, and then when I go home and I go to church and try to be a productive member of society, those don't necessarily mesh well," Gough told Logan.

"Does it feel strange compared to being deployed?" Logan asked.

"Yeah, when you drive past Las Vegas and look down to the Strip, and turn the corner and head north to the base, you're leaving one world and you're going to the other. You know we go from being parents and spouses to being warriors," he replied.

Chambliss and his wife, Linda, have been juggling that lifestyle for two years.

"It's sort of like being in a movie that you can, you know, you'll wake up at home and have breakfast with the wife and then head to war," Logan remarked.

Linda Chambliss agreed, and her husband said, "It is a bit. Once you pull the cockpit out of the airplane, then whether you are 50 miles away from the airplane or 5,000 miles away, it really doesn't matter anymore."

"Do you think that distance makes it--it's kind of like a video game and not like real life?" Logan asked.

"No, no, not at all," Chambliss said. "Because you know that there's no reset button. When you let a missile go and it's flying over the head of friendly forces and it's flying toward the enemy to kill somebody or to break something, you know that that's real life--and there's no take back there."

"It has become central to the way we operate," General Norton Schwartz, the Chief of Staff of the Air Force and its top military officer, told Logan.

"As a system, do you see anything that has done more damage to al Qaeda?" Logan asked.

"This is probably at the head of the line," he replied.

In 2006, the Predator played a crucial role in hunting down the most wanted al Qaeda leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

"Here's the way it goes. You had 600 hours of Predator time over a lengthy period...following Zarqawi. And then you had maybe 6 minutes of F-16 time to finish the target. It reflects again the power of the unmanned systems to produce the kind of intelligence that leads you to a guy like Zarqawi, who was very good at maintaining his anonymity," Schwartz explained.

Chambliss told Logan he thinks the power of these unmanned planes is just beginning to be tapped. "Next year is gonna be a watershed year. We'll actually buy more unmanned aircraft than we buy manned aircraft for the first time in the Air Force's history," he explained.

The Air Force has had to call on their National Guard and Reserve crews to meet the growing demand for these planes. And they're looking for a new generation of pilots who are willing to give up flying at the speed of sound.

"Once you get over the fact that you're not climbing up the ladder and getting into a cockpit, this is so much more satisfying because, you know, every time you fly, every single day, you're having an impact on the ground," Chambliss said.

Asked if he wouldn't go back to flying fighter jets, he replied, "I'll be honest with you, I wouldn't."

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by capnvan May 11, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
This article has a few issues.

1. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's death had nothing to do with UAVs. One of his associates was captured and convinced to betray his safehouse. His safe house was kept under surveillance, but that could have been done by virtually any surveillance asset. The UAVs played no active role in discovering his whereabouts or his death. If anything, it was a tribute to very old-fashioned human intelligence work, precisely the opposite of the increased reliance on airborne, unmanned assets.

2. If the UAV has changed the face of war, someone has yet to tell the USAF. While there are 28 Reapers in the inventory, we're well on our way to 187 F-22s. That would be the vehicle which, since entering active service in 2005, has been tasked with precisely 0 combat missions despite our being in 2 wars.

3. Using a Hellfire missile, which was designed for anti-tank operations, against an individual sniper is a disturbing misuse of resources.

4. '"What if you get it wrong?" Logan asked.
"We don't," Gough replied.
"Ever?" Logan asked.
"That's a tough question," Gough said after a pause. "Yeah. We have the resources to make sure we're right. In battle, in combat, in the fog and friction of war, there are always gonna be times that your judgment isn't with hindsight, you can see things with more clarity." '

I'm not sure if Gough was poorly quoted, but since we know that UAVs have played a role in some of the civilian casualties in Afghanistan, either his response as written is a misquote, he is highly deluded, or he outright lied.
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by tbonehauer May 11, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
1. Umm...source? I would say that if the UAV's were used to track his whereabouts so that he could be captured...that would be about as active of a role as you could expect from any manned or unmanned aircraft.

2. Someone has yet to tell the USAF even though in the article Chambliss states that the Air Force is going to buy more unmanned aircraft than it will manned aircraft.

3. If that sniper had killed even one american soldier you would probably be the first person to complain because the air force had a reaper on station that DIDN'T fire its hellfire missiles on that target.

4. As others have pointed out, yeah mistakes will happen, 1000 civilian casualties is pretty low considering how long we've been involved in both of the current wars. Compare those casualties to the ones when we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The best we can do is try to minimize civilian casualties, and having an aircraft that can observe for 24 hours at a time is going to significantly reduce the civilian casualties in future conflicts.
by rpen25 May 11, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
It depends on where the sniper is in relation to our troops. A very cleverly hidden sniper using hard structures for cover sometimes can only be taken out with an airstrike. Yes, it seems illogical and maybe even excessive, but that's how dangerous a sniper is. A sniper can literally stop an entire brigade of troops. They're THAT demoralizing AND deadly. Without a good location on him and the means to kill the sniper, it's almost impossible not to incur losses. They say the best way to take out a sniper is with another sniper. If you haven't got one of your own there, the second way would be to use mortars or grenades. But grenades (either hand-thrown or self-propelled) or mortars aren't exactly pinpoint accurate, not to mention limited in range. You can loft one over cover, but there's no guarantee that it'll hit and kill him (if it even reaches him). A sniper is trained to move his location after every shot to avoid being located. A sniper is also usually armed with a high powered rifle and scope that can strike further than standard issue assault rifles. Tanks and other armored vehicles sometimes have to be called in. But they're not always available or close enough. I agree that dropping a 5,000 lb. bomb is excessive. But a 500 lb. bomb isn't. If an aircraft has a lock on a sniper, I would definitely call in an airstrike versus going Rambo and trying to outshoot a hidden sniper with an itchy finger.
by rpen25 May 11, 2009 1:11 PM PDT
The man isn't going to say, "Yes, it's a crapshoot every time we pull the trigger." That's just not going to happen. Everyone knows that war is hell. Innocent people die in war. Friendly fire happens in war. That's why war should only be used as a last resort. But he's not going to give the enemy any ammunition in a war of propaganda to sway the course of the war. That's the reality. It is propaganda, but I'll tell you that it's 1000x better than carpet bombing. Entire cities were leveled, their populations almost entirely wiped out, just to destroy a ball bearing factory or munitions depot.
by SIGHUP May 11, 2009 8:05 AM PDT
UAV are only so good with people driving them. What we need to do is get a computer system to drive the UAV. We could call it SkyNet.
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by rpen25 May 11, 2009 1:15 PM PDT
That is an awesome idea. Later, we could allow this "Skynet" to be in charge of our nuclear weapons arsenal. That way, there will be NO WAY human error can come into the mix and accidentally start armageddon! You sir, are a genius!
by sparrowhyperion May 11, 2009 8:09 AM PDT
These things are a recipe for disaster....
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by disco-legend-zeke May 11, 2009 8:41 AM PDT
A couple things:

1. There is now a sniper UAV chopper, a much cheaper, lighter RC with a high powered rifle. The advantage being the ability to take out a single target with minimal collateral.

2. Controlling military aircraft missions from Indian Springs makes it a bonafide military target. Not exactly inspiring to potential Las Vegas tourists.
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by rpen25 May 11, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
Um...there are numerous military bases ALL around big cities in America. Lackland AFB in San Antonio, TX. That's where ALL new airmen get basic training. Pearl Habor, another place that has already seen an attack, is a big Naval base.

It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for any country to attack US cities with conventional weapons without the US' early warning system being on alert. NORAD watches the skies over N. America and can track virtually everything. Not to mention any army building up it's forces at our borders would have to do so either in Mexico or Canada. Last time I checked, they didn't allow foreign armies on their territory. Two, since 9/11, security at military bases has been ramped up considerably. It is very hard to successfully carry out an attack on a US military base. You might kill some of the guards at the gate, but it's very hard to successfully put an entire air base out of commission without resorting to NBC (nuclear, biological or chemical) attacks. Even then, the personnel have protective suits and are trained to be able to work and defend the base wearing them. Not to mention the base having trained military personnel with deadly military hardware at their disposal ready to fend off attackers. It would just be stupid. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, because there have been attacks on our bases worldwide and attempts here in the States, but it wouldn't prevent us from carrying out our mission even if there was a successful attack.

f anything, the Pentagon would be a more likely target as it is the central point for military operations for the US. And, unless you didn't know, there is extensive security around Washington, DC and any plane or aircraft unauthorized in the no-fly zone would immediately be met with F-16 fighters. There are also rumors that the military has set up surface to air missiles around Washington DC in case someone is on a suicide mission. But that's purely speculation.
by shootfirst May 11, 2009 9:00 AM PDT
LOL skynet. Here is what I didn't see is how safe is it to operate these planes since they are remote controlled. Technology may not exist to hack into them yet, but time is a sensitive thing. The UAVs can go weaponless, but the fact that they travel so fast and have such fantastic operation will allow people to just take control and use the UAV as a weapon itself.
Point blank not being in the battle it gives pilots the ability to disassociate themselves from the battle. Bombing is hard when you are in the plane and can see the results of what you do, but the best thing for the military is they can order strikes and then hide the outcome since the pilot is never really there and digital footage can easily be altered or replaced. Why do you think they have the pilots sitting in the US instead of putting them in the country they are blasting and if one pilot there doesn't do it, transferring command of a UAV isn't that hard unlike a pilot actually up in the air. There have been several sci fi movies that reach into how remote bombing and everything works.
I think UAVs are awesome for recon, but to use them to actually blow up targets is something that should be considered as like they said there is no reset button and it is hard to discern what you see on that screen as opposed to what is really on the battlefield. To relate there is supposed to be more solar storms in the coming future and to have a UAV armed during something like this might bite them in the butt hard.
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by rpen25 May 11, 2009 1:25 PM PDT
It's not because of that. It's because moving all the equipment necessary to communicate and control the UAVs is expensive and unnecessary. Why spend all that money on moving the equipment into the theatre of operations when it could be kept relatively safe in the US without the threat of an attack on the base? The equipment isn't exactly "handheld".

PS...those infrared screens are being used by real pilots everyday. Forward looking infrared cameras are used on gunsights and missiles to track and target enemy units from long range. Air to ground radar is used to lock on to structures on the ground when the pilot is too high above the ground to see with his own eyes. BVR, or beyond visual range targeting is used by fighter pilots to engage and destroy enemy aircraft farther than the human eye can see. So in essence, modern war has already shifted into the "Nintendo" phase already. Everything is already like a video game.
by rpen25 May 11, 2009 2:27 PM PDT
A weapon going off due to a solar storm is highly unlikely. An unarmed bomb can be dropped from altitude and not explode on impact. This safety feature helps bombers and other attack aircraft evade attack from other aircraft. By dropping their load and external fuel stores, an F-16 for example can get away if outnumbered because it's load was lightened by a few hundred thousand pounds. The bombs are basically inert until they are armed. The weapons CAN go off, but it is highly unlikely due to all the safety mechanisms put into place to prevent accidental detonation.
by krollins83 May 11, 2009 9:08 AM PDT
For those of you that seem to think this can be done without mistakes, you need to take another look at whats going on in these wars. We're dealing with an enemy that has intentionally blends in with a civilian population, has used them for shields in the past, and wants civilian casualties so they can use them as propaganda.

The best way to be "sure" about something, if these is such a thing in these situations, is to be able to take our time in the surveillance - something we can't do with manned jets. Sometimes it's obvious (smoking, white gun), sometimes it's not, but these UAV's give us the best chance of getting it right.
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by zmonster May 11, 2009 9:17 AM PDT
The US military has killed almost 1,000 innocent Afghani civilians using these idiotic drones in the past two years.
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by krollins83 May 11, 2009 9:21 AM PDT
Care to cite a source on that? Or did you just sort of "pull that one" from somewhere?
by SIGHUP May 11, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
SkyNet has not been invented yet so those Drone are still piloted by humans. Basically even if that number that you 1000 pull out of your ass number was right, those people still would have died from a manned aircraft.
by efd39 May 15, 2009 7:27 AM PDT
The war on Al Qaeda and the Taliban will not stop just because they use drones or not. The weapon alternatives to drones are likely to kill a lot more innocent people which is why they get used.

If only the Taliban and Al Qaeda cared as much about harming innocent people, there wouldn't be a war at all. And no, I don't think growing opium to poison people for money and disfiguring teachers/killing leaders to maintain control are the hallmarks of innocence or even freedom fighters repelling "invaders".
by slickuser May 11, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
These are useless when waging war against a country with army like Iran. They will shoot down them. It will not be easy to violate their air space...

Fortunately for Americans, the Taleban in Pakistan ran out of launchers (I forgot the name of it, the one Americans provided to them) they used against Soviet planes....
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by madmindset May 11, 2009 11:41 AM PDT
Don't be so sure about that. I remember reading about the Global Hawk UAVs doing surveillance flights over Iran and being mistaken for UFO's. I think they fly around 50K to 60K feet up and have a 30+ hour flight endurance.
by rpen25 May 11, 2009 1:37 PM PDT
What kind of army does Iran have? One that is immune to bullets and bombs? They may have a million+ man army. But that's why God invented cluster bombs, land mines and Napalm. They're extremely effective at incurring large amounts of casualties on infantry and armored units.
by efd39 May 15, 2009 7:30 AM PDT
You don't need them until after all the anti-aircraft weapons have been blown to bits... just like what happened in Iraq. Until then, satellites do just fine.
by terminalblue May 11, 2009 9:41 AM PDT
this article was written by a drone, lol
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by breakaoss May 11, 2009 9:42 AM PDT
It is war! People die during war. 1,000 civilian casualties? That's it? Give me a break. Compare that to times when all we could do is carpet bomb a place.
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by Dr_Zinj May 11, 2009 11:15 AM PDT
Stinger missiles won't do much good against a target 10,000 feet or more in altitude as 10K is it's maximum altitude it can reach. It has a range of 8 km, but that doesn't do much good unless you have line of sight to the target.

Friendly Fire Isn't. While the drone operator doesn't have to worry about being killed, injured, or captured, and consequently has more time to consider his (or her) moves, and reduce the possibility of accidently killing our own people; accidents do happen. We will have instances where the operator, or the commander, orders the strike and ends up targetting our people instead of the enemy. There will also be instances where they strike innocent civilians instead of the enemy.

The disassociation of the operators and commanders from the results of a bad strike is disturbing. It's too easy to blow off blowing up a bus load of children when you're 7000 miles or more away. And when you use a hellfire missile to destroy a house and everyone in it (women, children, infants) just to kill one terrorist, that's an attrocity. There's a reason why we have snipers. It puts accuracy, and 'humanity' into surgical strikes.

Most disturbing is the use of these platforms against non-military, non-criminal civilian targets. If it hasn't happened already, it will. There should be a civilian oversight organization over the use of ALL of these drones; whether military, CIA, or other entity.
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by zdr93523 May 11, 2009 12:56 PM PDT
The disassociation of what you know and what you think you know is astounding! Much of our public opinion (see some of the above posts) is based on the opinions of a few people that actually know nothing about what they are talking about!

Your opinion and reality are two completely different things, don't poison others minds with a rant about a topic that it is obvious to some that you know only what you are spoon fed by the media.

This was a good, objective, informative article.
by Dr_Zinj May 13, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
I certainly hope zdr93523 comment was an accidental reply to mine and that he/she/it intended it as a reply to the article.

There is no disassociation of what I know and what I think I know. My technical knowledge is sound and in the public domain, as is my psychology.

You want credentials?

MSgt, USAF (Retired) should be more than enough.
by efd39 May 15, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
There is and always has been civilian oversight of the military--its called the Secretary of Defense, the President, and Congress... all civilians and all either elected directly or appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. It was designed that way from the beginning of US government to ensure the military remained a tool of the government rather than becoming the government itself.

There is less disassociation for a pilot who has to watch the footage from a zoomed in lens than a B-52 pilot who drops carpet bombs from altitude and never sees the direct damage. Though not covered in this article, other articles have covered the mixed emotions, stress, and sometimes depression that these UAV crews experience--even from the missions that only kill "the bad guys".
by dailofan May 11, 2009 12:41 PM PDT
I don't doubt the man that said that nothing had more to hurt Al Qaeda than these drones.

However, I also think that these things may do much more harm to the US over the long-term. I think these really make the world think of us as a cowardly, "evil Empire". Imagine worrying that these things are flying over invisible and can take you out at any moment.
It just reminds me of the evil forces that the good guys are always uniting to fight against in every sci-fi movie.
These weapons may have a valid place in our arsenol, but we should be debating hard the moral ramifications of how, when, and where to use them.
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by Mac User Too May 11, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
Submarines were once considered 'cowardly', but the world got over it. Imagine a totally unmanned Air Force, Navy and Army. That's where this technology is headed and won't it be wonderful? Think about it. American casualties are the only reasons public opinion reversed itself on the Iraq war. Without those casualties and with the American people behind our invasion, do you think Iran and North Korea would be acting so cocky?
by modstang May 12, 2009 7:43 AM PDT
first of all learn how to spell. second of all where did anybody say anything bout iran? they just said they work well against our curent enemies.

also the launchers are called stingers, and even though their heat seeking you have to aim in the general direction. if you would have looked it up instead of just mindlessly opening your mouth you would know that their range is only about 15,000 feet and the uav flies up to 50,000 feet. i think our generals would have thought about that before they just deployed a 11 million dollar weapon to get shot down.
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by modstang May 12, 2009 8:00 AM PDT
lol everyone on here hasn't got a clue what their talking about. you don't know about the training these pilots go through. these uav have a huge advantage the enemies don't know their there they have the option to take their time to shoot their target, whether they wait 5 minutes or 5 hours to where they are in a less populated area.
civilians need to stay out of the war out of our military and out of our cia. let the people who signed the dotted line and are paid to keep the country safe do their job. the less you know the better off the country is civilians do enough nosing around in eachothers lives they need to stay out of national security.
this article was fyi not hey we need you to come baby sit us and stick your nose where it doesn't belong.
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by hassan_bin_sober May 12, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
Now you can tell your parents all that time playing Space Invaders was not in vain!
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