October 23, 2009 12:07 PM PDT

Obama: U.S. needs to lead clean-energy race

by Martin LaMonica
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CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--President Barack Obama on Friday called on the U.S. Congress to pass energy-and-climate legislation, a move he said would stimulate technology innovation and improve the economic competitiveness of the United States.

Obama delivered a speech at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology here after touring student laboratories and before attending a fund-raiser for Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

President Obama speaking on clean energy at MIT on Friday.

(Credit: Martin LaMonica/CNET)

A "comprehensive" energy-and-climate bill will address both environmental and economic problems, Obama said. Countries around the world recognize that energy supplies are limited while demand is rising. That situation is giving rise to a "peaceful competition" among countries to develop clean-energy technologies that "will propel the 21st century."

"There are going to be all sorts of debate both in (the) laboratory and on Capital Hill, but there is no question that we have to do these things," he said. "The nation that wins that competition will be the nation to lead the global economy. I'm convinced of that, and I want America to be that nation."

Obama urged Congress to pass an energy-and-climate bill the Senate is now considering, the Clean Energy Jobs and American Power Act. He specifically praised the bill co-sponsor Democratic Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who was present at the talk, and Republican South Carolina Sen. Lindsay Graham. The senators co-wrote an editorial in the New York Times earlier this month outlining the main components of a desired bill, which was seen as a key step toward passage.

The House bill, which narrowly passed in May, includes a national mandate for utilities to use renewable energy and a cap-and-trade system in which large polluters can buy and sell permits for carbon dioxide emissions.

The president did not weigh into the details of the existing bills, but he did outline the contours of an energy policy that reduces the country's reliance on fossil fuels while making better use of natural resources.

The ingredients of energy policy should include clean use of coal, oil, and natural gas; "safe nuclear power;" sustainably grown biofuels; and energy from wind, solar, and wave power, Obama said.

"It is a transformation that will be made as swiftly and carefully as possible, to ensure we are doing everything we can to grow this economy in the short, medium, and long term. And I do believe that a consensus is growing to achieve exactly that," he said.

Obama said the Pentagon and energy security hawks are stepping up efforts to reduce oil imports while businesses and environmentalists are working together. Young people, too, view energy-and-climate as the challenge of their generation, he added.

"We are seeing a convergence. The naysayers, the folks (who) would pretend this is not an issue--they are being marginalized," Obama said.

He said key pieces of the Senate bill have been approved in various committees but he warned that opposition to passing an energy-and-climate bill will increase as passage gets closer.

There were about 700 people at the MIT talk, including a number of local green-technology entrepreneurs, investors, and students at the university, which has become a hotbed for energy science and technology research.

Martin LaMonica is a senior writer for CNET's Green Tech blog. He started at CNET News in 2002, covering IT and Web development. Before that, he was executive editor at IT publication InfoWorld. E-mail Martin.
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by Shinespark October 23, 2009 12:34 PM PDT
"Clean use of coal" is currently an oxymoron. Technology exists to capture emissions, but it will reduce efficiency, perhaps by up to half. As petrol becomes more expensive, gassification of coal reserves may become economically viable, but I am uncertain of the amount of pollution that process generates.
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by SactoGuy018 October 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
Actually, scientists are working on new technologies to turn coal into various types of liquid fuels using methods more advanced than the Fischer-Tropsch process that the Germans used to make motor fuel from coal during World War II. That new development could mean we could extract clean-burning natural gas from coal in a more efficient way and turn coal into gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene in a very efficient manner. Given that the world's coal supply is vastly larger than the world's petroleum supply, continued development of advanced, clean-coal technologies is worth pursuing.

And the race is on to improve solar panel technology. Using nanotechnology, we could have within 4-5 years solar panels with the same efficiency as today's models but at less than a quarter of the current cost; that would make it very viable to put up solar panels in every new housing development.
by rmullen0 October 23, 2009 3:57 PM PDT
Sacto, you are forgetting one important thing: coal has to be extracted from the earth. See the documentary, Buring the Future: Coal in America. Out in West Virginia the environment is getting severely screwed up from removing the mountain tops. It's getting into the ground water and corrupting it and making a lot of people sick.
by Commander_Spock October 23, 2009 5:17 PM PDT
This CNET NEWS article states in part; Re: ""There are going to be all sorts of debate both in (the) laboratory and on Capital Hill, but there is no question that we have to do these things," he said. "The nation that wins that competition will be the nation to lead the global economy. I'm convinced of that, and I want America to be that nation."

This "energy" (war)-(don't know much about the)-climate debate...) is Vietnam - "2"; and, the results this time around will be quite different.
by ddesy October 23, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
Any time now all of the anti-green commenters should be showing up.
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by dbargen October 23, 2009 3:00 PM PDT
Present!

Oh, wait, that's Obama's line. ;-)

Nothing against alternative energy here, but there's a darn good reason a lot of the currently-touted ideas have been tried for decades and haven't panned out: they're not feasible! If you want to cry about investment drying up, think about the rational reason behind it: the investors saw no future in it.

Cgates13 below has it right on the money.
by C_G_K October 23, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
@ddesy "Any time now all of the anti-green commenters should be showing up."

I'm not anti-green, I am anti-stupid-government-intervention-in-the-economy.

If alternative energy sources were economically viable, don't you think we would be using them already?

Sure, put government money into viable research on alternative energy sources, but what Obama is doing is going to wreck an already staggering economy, and that is STUPID. Can hardly wait until 2010 :-)
by Mergatroid Mania October 24, 2009 5:01 PM PDT
The problem is not that the alternative energy sources are not feasible, nor is it that they are not economically viable, the problem has been that big companies that had invested heavily in oil and gas and coal, as well as the economy surrounding those resources, did not want the alternatives to work. It wasn't in their best interest.

As as for "stupid-government-intervention-in-the-economy", man I can't believe you have that opinion but still can actually use a computer. Look where your wonderful non-stupid-government-intervention-in-the-economy got us. The entire mess the world economy is in right now is because there were not enough government regulations in place to prevent the greedy ubar extremist capitalists from trying to steal and thief every cent from the economy and put it in their own pockets.

The proof is that, in Canada our economy is doing way better than the average western country because we had more regulations to reign in our banking industry. Just letting greedy rich corporations and individuals have their own way will lead to what we are experiencing now, and it will lead there every time.
by solitare_pax October 23, 2009 1:23 PM PDT
The key here is to get research done into real alternative fuels, and not the boondoggles of past policies that provided tax breaks for people clever enough to find a loophole. Adding coal tar to coal was one way they made a 'synthetic fuel' to snap up tax credits. Adding ethanol to gas (which is ruining my lawnmower!) is another boondoggle.

Lets put money into real research to step up conservation while working to find good alternatives - and making sure those jobs stay at home.
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by SactoGuy018 October 23, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
@solitare_pax, you wrote: "...making sure those jobs stay at home."

Alas, until we reform our income tax laws to _encourage_ personal savings and capital investment staying in the USA, those jobs aren't staying at home. :-(
by shycelticwitch October 28, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
::::sigh::::: in order to keep those jobs at home, you will have to convince a few people that "he who dies with the most toys STILL DIES." Negligent capitalism has carried our commerce overseas, and until the crap that floats at the top of our society realizes you can only live in one home at a time, drive one car at a time and take one vacation at a time, the rest of us will keep sliding backwards until the US is just another 3rd world country, with a society akin to that of South Africa.
by cgates13 October 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT
Any serious discussion about systematic use of so-called 'clean energy' that doesn't start with nukes is a lie. Nuclear waste arguments are a canard.

Wind power is unreliable, destroys massive amounts of land area and is expensive. Solar is a nice supplemental source, but likewise effectively destroys massive land area (and don't give me that desert nonsense - I happen to like deserts).

The basis of industrial society is the use of lots of energy to transform things into much more useful things - but without lots of energy this is impossible. Until politicians have the political will to comprehensively adopt a serious nuclear strategy, you will be stuck two three options:
1) An eroding and costlier lifestyle in the face of countries without our sensibilities;
2) The status quo (which still isn't that attractive).

The experience in Europe has given the lie to the economic utility of the traditional (and massively destructive in terms of land area corrupted) "green" technologies, and until these are effectively relegated to second tier status until they are economically viable, we'll continue to fall further behind.

I'm amazed that people can see this serious issue and not understand the obvious solution.
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by pentest October 23, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
Nuclear waste has ruined large areas of land in states such as Washington and Colorado.

There is nothing clean about nuclear.
by sanenazok October 23, 2009 3:38 PM PDT
@cgates13 - the problem with solar is it's so appealing especially emotionally. What could be better than getting power from the sun! Ugh, people don't realize that even given the very best solar and wind tech, to power something like Chicago, you would need to cover almost the rest of the state of Illinois with this stuff.

These "renewable energy" goals are ways to get press time. The very best they can shoot for is 10-20% in renewalbes by 2020. So what about the remaining 80%, where is that going to come from? This is exactly why nuclear power has to be part of the equation. It's the only non CO2 emitter for the remaining 80%. Gosh forbid that Obama should think about something other than the titillating solar/wind sources.

@pentest - modern breeder nuclear plants produce little to no waste during their lifetimes. At the end (40+ years) waste is left over, but it has half-lives of a century or so. Plus in 40 years today's waste will almost certainly be re-processable. These modern nuclear plants are everywhere except the US which is stuck with 70's nuclear power technology thanks to loud-mouthed nincompoops.
by solitare_pax October 23, 2009 4:10 PM PDT
There is no one-size-fits-all solution - a mix of technologies is needed to move ahead to achieve some sort of harmony (pardon the flower-child pun)

In tropical areas, solar is the way to go - forget destroying massive land areas though, install them on the roofs of the mega-malls and homes. That reduces wiring maintenance costs since it would be directly used by the consumer (an batteries would be used to store power for the nighttime)

Coastal areas can use tidal power, if not wind power (people on Nantucket have shot down the idea of a windmill farm recently)

Other areas, like Hawaii and Wyoming (around Yellowstone) can easily use geothermal power.

And then there are the nuke plants. Part of the problem is the 'waste' from the leftover fuel rods, but face it - it's a modern technology harnessed to 18th century steam power. If they can create a solar cell that can absorb radiation from the distant sun (which is nuclear too) why can't they devise something to collect the low-level radiation and turn it into power for use?

Or hasn't anyone thought of that?
by sanenazok October 23, 2009 5:50 PM PDT
@pax: "Coastal power" and "wave power" are both pie in the sky concepts. Might as well invest in getting power from good feelings.
by MagiMamoru October 24, 2009 6:06 AM PDT
@pax

To live in Georgia as a greenie wana be, is a pain.

There are only a few places to put windmills with any success and the Serra Club and NIMBYs are fighting the installation of turbines tooth and nail. Of course I don't blaim them, the power provided would not even be a drop in the bucket for one community, not to mention the State.

Solar Power? Let me look out the window, overcast, Just like any other day of the year. As to roof top arrays on business and homes roof tops, which I support. Its only a cost prohibitive supplement at best., you still going to need still need power generation for else where to meet all the needs. Sterling Engines in the Desert, in mass is what we really need. :-)

Nuclear Power? Georgia is working on two new reactors, but that's only to deal with growth, and not replacing the coal fire plants. It practically took an act of God to get approval of those two reactors. I could just see the reaction for more. I would much rather have a reactor or two in my back yard vs. the nasty coal plant I'm downwind from. A coal plant I don't even get power from. My line is attached to a so called clean burning Natural Gas plant.
by biffhenerson October 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT
Man oh man that guy likes to spend our money on worthless stuff. Spend spend spend = tax tax tax = nothing for our money but hopes and dreams.
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by pentest October 23, 2009 2:44 PM PDT
Yeah, new energy sources that don't pollute as much sure is worthless.

What planet do you reich wingers come from?
by sanenazok October 23, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
Clean energy is not a "race." There should be cooperation between researches and countries as opposed to attempts to outdo one another for pole position as the largest user of non-scalable technology. Just look what happened to prices for electricity in Germany since the government there tried to "outrace" other countries by heavily subsiding purchases of solar plants (yeah in central/Northern Europe, that makes peeerfect sense). So prices in Germany are 20 Eur in DE, but 11 in FR, or 12 in AU. I was there when this program rolled out - great for the landwirte who were getting money to install solar cells in fields, but not anyone else - especially not industry. My energy bill was lower in Ireland (island with EXTREMELY high cost of living) than in Germany.

This is exactly the type of "leadership" that brought nothing more than bragging points and no development in the underlying technology. Just another program for the government to fund.
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by MaLvaDo39 October 23, 2009 3:58 PM PDT
Yeah, but we also need to drill the hell out of Alaska and our Oceans. Create jobs and get off the muslim oil.
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by rmullen0 October 23, 2009 4:02 PM PDT
Interesting how he lists all the non-renewable forms of energy first. I smell PAY OFF.
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by bob1xxxx October 23, 2009 4:26 PM PDT
More fertilizer from prez buzz kill, why does this site scrape and bow to this court jester and his bad of moronic fools? He's killing the economy with is insane spending , not created a single job with the " pork filled non stimulus' and his naked power grab to give America 3rd world socialized medicine are all reason why anything prez buzz kill says should be ignored. Guys clean this political arse licking up your giving more reasons daily why not to come to cnet any more you blind support for this economy killing dunce is bizarre at best.
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by Commander_Spock October 23, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
Sad to say; but, political crap (like that which you are ranting and raging about) and sensible scientific and technological (global warming.....) facts do not mix.

Who controls the "oxygen supply routes" on the dark side of the moon when all the trees (that takes care of the carbon dioxide emissions) on Planet Earth are destroyed!!!

And, your "vote" might just not count the next time around.
by dargon19888 October 24, 2009 12:26 AM PDT
There are a couple problems that many here are missing...

First, the 'clean tech' like wind and solar are being led by countries like Spain and Germany.
Nuclear? Forget about it. Sure the first controlled fission reactor was done here in the US and we made the first bomb. However currently France has more nuke plants in operation and if the US were to build a new nuke plant in over 30 years, we'll have to contract French companies to help with its construction.

As to nuclear power's issues with getting the fuel out of the earth, the poster seems to forget that the US did most of that mining during the cold war and the fuel was being enriched for atomic weapons. Nuclear energy is still one of the cleanest energies out there.

There's geothermal but even there, some European countries have a lead on the US. Why? Because since the 70's, they've had to pay more for energy and cut their reliance on fossil fuels. Now we have to play catch up.

The truth is that we can use more geothermal in several areas and nuclear power almost anywhere. We could use plutonium as a fuel and recycle it more efficiently, however, you have to consider the potential for terrorist threats on the fuel supply and each reactor. So if you use a less efficient uranium, you have more waste.

Now if you could create a Stirling ?sp? engine using a ferrous liquid that was nontoxic, you'd have a good start on a solution.
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by play7 October 24, 2009 5:30 AM PDT
oh?
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by cocobolo-sungod October 24, 2009 10:05 PM PDT
Firstly, I'm not an American, I'm Canadian. Too many Americans think when they cross the border into Canada, you run into 6 feet of snow. Tain't so. How many of you have any expertise in actually living on solar energy who have posted above. My guess is zero. Maybe one, tops. How many times have you individually had a loss of power from the grid? Have you lost count over the years? Was it inconvenient? Was it downright annoying? Maybe it even cost you some real money for one reason or another.

I don't know why it it that so many people are down on solar power when it works so well. There was a comment above about being cloudy outside. So what? Solar panels still provide some power even when it isn't sunny. Did you not know that?

And the comment about solar not being economical for another 5 years is equally wrong. The new CIGS type panels are being produced for about $1/watt, which puts them on an equal footing with fossil fueled power - without all those charming emissions we all love so much.

Why don't all you nay sayers give the only real power option of the future a chance. What are your great, great, great grandchildren going to use when you have wasted all the oil to make your electricity and run your 300 horsepower cars? Either there will be none left, or the price will be so high that only Presidents and bank robbers will be able to afford it.

Like it or not, we all need to take a pro-active role in how our power is made and where it comes from. We do still have options, but to continually bash solar and wind power is foolish and short sighted. By the way, Sharp just announced a panel with a 35.8% efficiency rating. Not bad for such a benign power source. I wonder what the efficiency rating of coal really is, given all the expenses which are buried for accounting purposes.

I'm sure you all get the point, just try to keep an open mind when championing your new nuclear reactor or coal or natural gas fired power plant.

P.S. I have been living on solar power since 1997. Do I care when the grid goes down? Not likely, it just gives me a darker night sky to observe the stars and galaxies by.
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by FreeCleanSolar October 31, 2009 10:02 AM PDT
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