October 23, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Barriers loom on road to plug-in cars

by Martin LaMonica
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DETROIT--For plug-in electric cars, it's no longer a question of if. It's a question of when and how.

After many years of buildup, plug-in vehicles aimed at mainstream buyers are set to come to the market starting next year. But even with the momentum around plug-ins, many questions remain unanswered over how this technology transition will impact the ailing auto industry and how the cars will received by consumers.

"You have the feeling that we're at the beginning of something that could be very special," said David Cole, the chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, which is funded by government and corporate sources, during the opening of the Business of Plugging In conference here on Tuesday. "There are a great many uncertainties, but we have to recognize that the key invention is here with the lithium ion battery."

The sold-out conference, which attracted about 600 people, represented the varied groups needed to deliver these vehicles: automakers and supply chain suppliers, electricity utilities, policy makers, tech entrepreneurs, and investors.

Regardless of the initial volumes of electric-vehicle sales, the stakes in this shift are high. Electric vehicles promise to reduce pollution from transportation, decrease oil imports, and provide economic opportunity for a broad number of businesses.

Compared to biofuels or hydrogen fuel cell technologies, the large automakers and several start-ups have coalesced around electrification, to a greater extent. But there still remains the question of how much money consumers are willing to pay and how easily they can adjust strong habits.

"We've placed big bets in this area...(but) the question is: will consumers want these vehicles?" Bill Ford, the chairman of Ford Motor, said during a Wednesday talk. "The short answer is, it depends on how many trade-offs they need to make...and I think customers aren't prepared to make many trade-offs at all."

Hybrid premium
Plug-in cars come in various forms, but the larger battery means a higher purchase price than today's hybrids or equivalent gasoline models. If consumers are going to accept that up-front cost, automakers need to convince them that owning an electric car is cheaper in the long run. One idea that automakers are seriously considering is leasing batteries, which could make the monthly payments for a new electric car comparable to a gasoline version.

The actual prices for many cars aren't yet known, since companies have not yet decided. Nissan's all-electric Leaf sedan, set for its U.S. debut next month and availability next year, is said to be in the $25,000 to $30,000 range. Industry executives estimate that the electric Chevy Volt, due late next year, will be in the $40,000 range.

Fueling up an electric car is less expensive than running the equivalent gasoline-only vehicle, and auto industry executives say the maintenance is simpler on electric drives (no more oil changes, for example). Jonathan Lauckner, General Motors' vice president of global program management, on Tuesday said the cost per mile of the Volt could be a sixth of a gasoline car's, offering as much as $1,500 a year in savings. Those savings get better, if gas prices go up and if drivers can charge up more than once a day.

And consumers want this information. Surveys show that consumers are drawn to plug-ins for environmental reasons, but fuel savings are actually more important, according to a survey of U.S. drivers done by Ernst & Young. Safety, of course, is another high priority.

"We've always had a disconnect between the purchase price and the usage cost, where consumers way undervalue the usage costs, which will continue to be a problem here," Richard Curtain, of the Institute of Social Research at the University of Michigan, said during a panel on Wednesday. "If it got to less than a $5,000 premium, that would allay many of the concerns of the consumer."

Industry executives say volume production, a goal of the Department of Energy's $2.4 billion grant program launched in August, will help bring down costs in the coming years, much the way hybrid components fell in price. But that up-front premium is tough to totally erase, given that electrification is competing with a deeply entrenched technology: the internal combustion engine.

Battery improvements will help the cost picture as well. Many companies are working on batteries--a new generation of lithium ion batteries and other chemistries--that can pack more energy. More "energy-dense" batteries means that drivers will get a longer driving range from a battery of a given size. Ultracapacitors, another storage method, have also been proposed as way to work with batteries in vehicles.

Technology horse race
The different routes automakers are taking to electrification affects costs. General Motors' Chevy Volt has generated plenty of buzz, but company executives say its design will make at least the first generation of the car pricey. GM hopes to wring thousands of dollars from the Volt power train, notably the battery and power electronics in the second generation of the car.

Fisker Automotive, a start-up that received a $528 million loan from the Department of Energy, is using a similar power train for its planned Karma and Nina high-end luxury cars. Called an extended-range electric vehicle or a series hybrid, these cars will run on battery charge only in the beginning--40 miles in the case of the Volt--and then use an internal combustion engine to operate a generator for the electric motor on longer trips.

A handful of automakers--Ford, Nissan, Think, and Coda Automotive among them--are making all-electric vehicles, also called battery-electric vehicles. Because of the limited range of about 80 miles to 100 miles, these cars are being sold as second cars in the United States or Europe or for city driving.

By contrast, Toyota, which has already sold millions of Priuses, believes that the way to sell large volumes of plug-in cars is to build on the existing hybrid technology, where batteries and the gasoline engine both propel the car.

"We think that blended (mode) is going to be the only way to reach the cost parity that the consumer is going to want," said Justin Ward, the advanced power train program manager at the Toyota Technical Center. "There (are) a lot of high-end cars, but how high do you go before it becomes unattainable for the general consumer?"

Infrastructure
Electric and hybrid cars aren't going to take over the market any time soon, because of cost and because they face competition from more efficient gasoline engines and diesels. Market researcher IHS Global Insight projects that pure-electric and range-extended electric vehicles will account for just more than 1 percent of the total market by 2014, with hybrids and plug-in hybrids being nearly 21 percent.

But even though plug-ins of various types will be a niche in the early years, utilities need to start preparing now. On a local level, utility executives are concerned that just a few plug-in cars, which can pull as much juice as a whole house when charging, will strain local power grids. That's particularly true, if consumers install faster 220-volt charging ports, which will cut charge time to about two or three hours, from six or eight.

The way to avoid stressing the grid is to charge cars at off-peak times, utility executives say. Pacific Gas & Electric, considered one of the most aggressive utilities in embracing new technologies, plans to offer customers a 220-volt charger that has a timer so consumers can take advantage of lower rates at off-peak times. Using a smart-grid technology, a car charger could pick its charge time and rate by communicating through a smart meter.

But what if someone can't charge at home? Like others, utility industry group the Edison Electric Institute advocates new building codes demanding that all new buildings are wired so that charging stations can be added in places such as underground parking garages in apartment buildings or retail areas, according to Anthony Earley, the chairman of the institute and CEO of utility DTE Energy.

A few charging stations will go a long way, according to people who spoke at the conference. "We act like this is a chicken-and-an-egg problem, but it's really not," said Mark Duvall, the director of electric transportation at the Electric Power Research Institute. "They are not enabling technologies, in my opinion, but they can help."

If plug-in electric vehicles are wildly popular with consumers and fleet owners, the industry will then face the challenge of having sufficient capital to scale up. During a discussion on battery technologies, academics said that even now, there isn't a sufficient workforce to do the engineering required for electric vehicles, with the most glaring hole in materials science.

Although higher manufacturing should significantly cut battery prices, there were regular questions about the supply of lithium at the conference. Overall, auto and battery company executives said lithium supply is not a pressing concern. Lithium could be extracted from different sources and can be recycled, said Yet Ming Chiang, the chief scientist of battery upstart A123 Systems and professor of ceramics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The U.S. auto industry has an opportunity to be reinvigorated with electric auto technologies, as its seeks to transition from the "rust belt to the green belt," Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm said Wednesday. China, meanwhile, is investing heavily in electric transportation, which national leaders see as a way to "leapfrog" to the latest technologies, said Yibing Wu, the managing director of Legend Holding, the company that makes Lenovo laptops and is moving into clean energy.

On an environmental level, plug-in hybrid cars have 30 percent lower carbon emissions, even if a car is fueled by coal-fired power plants, Earley said. That's particularly important on a global level, since hundreds of millions of cars are expected to be sold in the coming years in developing countries, said Ann Marie Sastry, a University of Michigan professor and a co-founder of a Khosla Ventures-backed battery company Sakti3.

"The small car is absolutely going to be essential for electrification and to all of us because it doesn't matter where the carbon comes from--whether we generate it or it comes from the emerging economies," Sastry said. "It's imperative (that) the United States play a role in this technology development because of our own interest in climate change."

Martin LaMonica is a senior writer for CNET's Green Tech blog. He started at CNET News in 2002, covering IT and Web development. Before that, he was executive editor at IT publication InfoWorld. E-mail Martin.
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by brethomp October 23, 2009 4:42 AM PDT
How did you miss Tesla Motors? The already have more then 900 BEVs on the road.
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by mlamonica October 23, 2009 5:51 AM PDT
I wouldn't say that the Tesla Roadster which cost $100K + is aimed at mainstream buyers. On the other hand, Tesla also plans to make the Model S which is supposed to cost $56K before rebates.
by brethomp October 23, 2009 5:39 PM PDT
I wasn't suggesting that the Tesla Roadster was a mainstream car. Your article is talking about the barriers that these car companies are facing to get plug-in cars on the road, but Tesla already broke many of those barriers. Granted they haven't broken the cost barrier. I thought it was odd that you didn't mention Tesla in the long list of companies in your "technology horse race" section. It seems to me that Tesla would be in the lead (for now) since their vehicles are already on the road. Also, you did mention Fisker Automotive who currently only makes the Karma, a 90K hybrid sports car.
by jezzur October 24, 2009 12:15 AM PDT
I agree brethomp... 'tis especially important to mention to mention the sporty ones to challenge the idea that electric cars must be boring and slow. I'd love to thrash the pants off some of the moron big-car-i'm-tough rev-heads of Australia in an electric car.
by portcovington October 23, 2009 5:06 AM PDT
One thing that seems to be always missing from these discussions is the practical day to day use of
electric vehicles particularity fully electric vehicles.

Since you must plug in these vehicles every night to recharge I can see disasters when the owner fails to do so and only to find out in the morning that they can't go to work because the car wasn't recharged. It's not like you can get a gallon of gas and dump it in and your on your way. AAA isn't going to be any help if you battery runs out of power while your on the road for the same reason.

I don't know why there isn't more effort in automating the recharge process so the consumer doesn't have to remember to plug something in.
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by open-mind October 23, 2009 8:19 AM PDT
You just explained the rational for the Chevy Volt. It provides 90% of the electric car benefits, but if you forget to plug it in, then it will just burn gas instead. It eliminates the range issue, so a second vehicle (for travel/backup) is not required. I predict electric cars will eventually go several hundred miles/charge, then the Volt approach will no longer be needed.
by jerrymacGP October 23, 2009 5:46 AM PDT
Some observers have noted that the plug-in electric car may be farther ahead in some parts of Canada than in the US, due the already existing and widely-available infrastructure of energized parking for block heaters. In cities like Edmonton and Winnipeg, failure to plug your car in overnight already means it may not move in the morning, due to the intense cold (-30 C or colder is not unusual). And many workplaces and even some public parking lots also have plug-ins to allow users to plug in during the day so they can be assured of being able to get out of the parking lot at the end of the day. Plugging in an electric car won't be all that different.
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by pdjv October 23, 2009 7:46 AM PDT
Having spent four years in North Dakota, where block heaters are also common, I see two potential problems. One is all those who live in apartments, townhouses, condos, ..., what have you, who do not have a garage (or in some cases even reserved parking). There's no infrastructure and property owners are unlikely to be willing to add this infrastructure to existing (or even new) facilities. The other is theft of extension cords - it happened to me twice in North Dakota - pretty darned inconvenient. Also, how comparable is the current draw for the charging circuit as compared to that for a block heater (or two)?
by Mergatroid Mania October 23, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
Block heaters are a huge energy draw. My hydro bill, which is usually about $50 per month, can go up to $70 or per month if I plug my car in a lot (and that's not every day).
Of course, charging a battery would use quite a bit of power, but the draw would reduce as the battery charges. Most people will not use a full charge every day.
Also, just about all the apartment buildings in Canadian cities also have plugs for block heaters. These heaters are just a fact of life in Canada. As for extension cord thefts, sure it does happen and I've known people it has happened to, however is is not common and I have never had mine stolen in over 25 years of driving. Also, if the cords are retractable and built into the electric vehicle they will be less likely to be stolen.
New facilities will be built with power at the parking areas. Once it is needed, and once people ask about it before renting, the building owners will realize the market is demanding it. It's no different from the power requirements of block heaters.

My biggest worry about electrics (although I'm dieing to own one) is the heat in the interior during the winter. You need quite a bit of heat to keep the windows defrosted and the inside warm. This is going to draw almost as much battery power as moving the car.
by Renegade Knight October 25, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
While you may be better able to plug your car in, don't you have to burn something for heat?
by km4hr October 29, 2009 7:15 PM PDT
If battery power is margin at normal temperatures it'll be horrible at low temperatures. You'll need charging stations at every stop light just to get to the next corner. Batteries don't like cold weather. That's one reason you require charging capability everywhere you go in Canada. It's not just cold oil that limits your car's starting ability.
by iptofar October 23, 2009 5:47 AM PDT
Electric cars will required daily actions to keep them running and i didn't see any mention of the increased transmission infrastructure (power plants and power lines) that will be required. Finally, how much does it cost to replace a battery and how long do they last because i think the cost per mile really doesn't take that into account because letting the salesman tell you it's cheaper without checking is always a mistake.
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by open-mind October 23, 2009 8:06 AM PDT
Depending on your driving habits and range tolerance, I've heard that a battery system should last about ten years. So you're really asking what a new battery system will cost in 2020. It should be much cheaper than today, but nobody really knows for sure.
by NJcatalepsy October 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
Li-ion batteries do not last 10 yrs even if you avoid full charge/discharge. Eurrent batteries will degrade even if it isn't in use. More importantly, in a notebook, if the battery is at 50% capacity, you can still use it. In a car, do you live with 50% range?

The "Useful" life of a battery pack in a car is very different than the life of a battery. The claimed range for these electric vehicles will only last a year or maybe 2. After 3 yrs, you will lose significant capacity. That's a big deal when the range isn't that great to begin with.

Of course there might be new technology to address these issues, but it might be a long while before it is practical.
by open-mind October 23, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
NJcatalepsy, there are many different Li-ion battery chemistries, each with their own characteristics: max charge rate, max discharge rate, capacity, durability, size, weight, cost, safety, etc. And new and better ones are currently being developed. The ones to be used in electric cars are different than the ones currently used in laptops. The Li-ion batteries selected for most cars both longer than laptop cells and cannot explode. The only exception I'm aware of is the Tesla Roadster which uses thousands of regular laptop cells.
by NJcatalepsy October 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT
open-mind, maybe you know more than I do. I am unaware of any production lithium battery that doesn't degrade or have a limited cycle life. Yes there are some experimental batteries by companies and labs that report incredible advances, but I think a cheap, nontoxic, reliable high cap battery is stil not all that near.
by football0552 October 23, 2009 8:10 PM PDT
The Li-ion battery for the volt has been tested to have a life expectancy of about 10 years (they did this using some fancy algorithms). Also, there are laptop batteries out meant to last far more cycles than they did in the past, for instance see the new batteries that Apple touts as well as some options that HP and a few others have. Batteries also don't really "explode" generally, especially considering the safety factors that car manufacturers are going to be worried about putting them in. Further, most of the energy taken for cars will likely be at night, which is generally when most everything else is turned off. This should offset the extra demand during peak hours.
by hongliuli October 23, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
A very sinple solution to force consumer buy electric car: For environment reason, government should keep on increasing gas tax, that will make consumer to buy electric car
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by Stormspace October 23, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
For many people in the US public transportation is not convenient or even available to all areas in their regions. I mention this because increasing taxes on petrol only punishes those that cannot afford a new vehicle. A better idea would be to subsidize electric car purchases for low income families and set up regulations that force creditors to loan money for the new cars, regardless of credit history. Government should also regulate battery connections and physical dimensions so that GM, Honda, or any other manufacturer can't create batteries that may be discontinued 10 years down the road forcing the owner to purchase a new vehicle, buy an expensive dealer battery, abandon the vehicle, or sell it to some unsuspecting person when the battery expires.
by open-mind October 23, 2009 11:18 AM PDT
I cringe every time I hear someone recommend the universal solution for everything: bigger government, higher taxes, more bureaucracy, and more mandates. it's a recipe for disaster. Force banks to give sub-prime loans for electric cars? That's largely what caused the current housing/financial crisis. They meant well too.
by Mergatroid Mania October 23, 2009 12:13 PM PDT
I think they should slap an eco tax on gas powered vehicles (all of them) and apply this money as a subsidy to the purchase of an electric vehicle. This will put the prices more in line.
by halfsek October 23, 2009 5:53 PM PDT
Sure, slap an 'eco' tax on gas powered vehicles. The first people to dump them will be the ones who can afford it. Now, the pool of taxable vehicles is much smaller- and the people owning them are the least able to pay a higher tax on the only car they can afford.

If you live in a sales tax state, what's your choice- buy local and pay sales tax or buy out of state and don't?
by Renegade Knight October 25, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
@Mergatroid Mania

I think they should slap an eco tax on all plug ins and hybrids since they don't pay their share of the fuel tax that funds the roads they drive on.
by ferricoxide October 25, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
@Stormspace:

It was Federal polices designed to increase home-ownership, even at the expense of making loans the high-risk buyers, that helped fuel the collapse of the real estate. It's never a really good idea to help high-risk people further over-leverage themselves.
by weegg October 23, 2009 6:20 AM PDT
My next car will be plug-in electric. Until then I'll hold on my old car for several years. Hybrids will be a maintenance nightmare because you have dual systems to maintain, whereas plug-ins is only one.
Many of these electric cars fail when considering the normal Californian commutes a lot more than their range allows. Until the manufacturers can meet 150 EV6 miles/charge the electric doesn't cut it.
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by Mergatroid Mania October 23, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
If they make the batteries removable so you can pull into a "gas" station and they swap out your battery for a fee, this will vastly increase the range of these vehicles. This method is currently being tested in Japan.
by joaompq October 27, 2009 4:57 AM PDT
The removable batteries model will go on test in Portugal Denmark and Israel in 2011 (i think that some US city's also signed a protocol with Better Place) . The idea is that you pay a regular fee and you can change the batteries as many times as you wont , you don't have to own the batteries , just the car. The recharging stations will be powered just by renewable energy , you can watch a prototype of the recharging station here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKA4GhVn0a4

The Portuguese electric company predicted the building of 3000 recharge stations (witch is a lot for a small country like Portugal , i think the idea is to fight the range anxiety witch is interesting since most of the people wont travel more than 20 miles a day).
Would this model work in a big country like US ? We just have to wait and see ...
by saadhusain October 23, 2009 7:08 AM PDT
Why can't we have plug in hybrid? Short distance can be electric only and long distances can be on gas.
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by mlamonica October 23, 2009 7:54 AM PDT
There will be plug-in hybrids from the big automakers - Toyota, GM, etc. Market share for hybrids, including plug in hybrids, in the next five years is projected to be much bigger than EVs. 21 percent versus just over one percent (see above).
by bildan2 October 23, 2009 8:51 AM PDT
Two issues need to be added to the discussion.

One: Fast charging batteries. If you can recharge in 10 minutes, range is less of an issue. 200 mile range with a 10 minute recharge is a total non-issue.

Two: Battery electrics are not likely to be the only car a consumer owns. An EV makes sense now as a daily driver/commuter/grocery getter. A large ICE powered vehicle can sit in the garage until needed.

It works for me. I have a big SUV that spends 95% of it's life sitting in my garage. It only gets used when it's capabilities are needed. My daily driver is a 60MPG motorcycle. I'd like to replace that motorcycle with an EV which wouldn't need more than 100 miles range.
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by Nighteye19 October 23, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
It takes me an hour to charge my Blackberry.. I don't think a 10-min car charge is foreseeable anytime soon, probably never.
by ferricoxide October 25, 2009 12:09 PM PDT
@Nighteye19:
One hopes that bildan2 actually meant that multiple 10-minute charges would make it easier to attain a 200mi. range.

That said, if you have a 220v charger, you can charge the battery in 1-2 hours (the new MiniE is supposed to full-charge in 2 hours to it's 150mi average range).
by kwhsy82 October 23, 2009 9:11 AM PDT
Thanks for the article! I'd like to own some form of an electric car (outside my current hybrids) and this article provides a nice road map.
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by TogetherinParis October 23, 2009 9:12 AM PDT
I own an electric car now that I bought from various sources and cobbled together myself for $10,000. It is downright unreliable because the chief mechanic (me) is so inexperienced. That being said, it does get about 2000 miles per gallon equivalent running on a small electric motor at speeds up to 35 mph. There is plenty of room for improvement, but electric cars should be smaller and simpler vehicles, and we should get used to it. Driving around in our living room furniture should stay in Spielberg's Minority Report.

We do need to see that externalities costs of the petroleum industry are carried by that industry instead of by all of the people as is now the case. When everyone benefitted from internal combustion engines and without viable alternatives, allowing oil producers to escape bearing the full costs did make sense. Gasoline makers and sellers should pay for the damage that their products cause the environment, which in turn cause so much human sociopathy, illness, incapacity and death. We need that tax on coal and oil dirtiness to allow the market to make wise decisions. If we continue to allow them to 'get away with it' we will never progress, we will atrophy, we will die.
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by lch41 October 23, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
has anyone thought about the energy used by the power companys to generate the power to charge these cars? remember there is always a trade off in generating electricty you loose a percentage of energy used to produce it on the order of 50 to 60 percent. ad most of the fuel used to produce it is coal & natural gas.
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by pentest October 23, 2009 3:05 PM PDT
No, you are the first person to bring it up. What a genius you must be!
by azeerover October 25, 2009 10:03 AM PDT
Sarcasm doesn't address the point. I think you are not supposed to choose electric cars based on economy/efficiency, or even less pollution, but for a preference for old battery pollution and centrally produced pollution over fossil fuel pollution. It costs a lot for society to change over and that produces jobs & economic activity. Once we get the early adopters rolling, then we place a penalty on individual use of fossil fuel to help it along. It's just how we grow our government & economy - how we create new industries. We're pretty much forced into these type of programs to avoid national bankruptcy. But it's good for you - helps keep the wolf from the door.
by ferricoxide October 25, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
Yes, numerous people have thought of it. Internal combustion engines are extremely wasteful in their power output generation. Simply put, centralized power generation tends to be more efficient - both from an energy per input-unit and lower, overall emissions. Factor in that you can't really use solar, geothermal, hydro or wind to power a conventional car, and the environmental and production costs REALLY favor electrification.
by markb1967 October 23, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
The biggest barrier is still the car companies unwilling to change, and the oil companies that are unwilling to lose customers. Car companies will be building huge profits into the sale price of the electric cars to make up for the lack of maintenance that would usually be needed later. Oil changes, filters, engine replacements, and tune ups will all be a thing of the past and the car companies will lose that money.
Oil companies are doing everything to slow down this migration to electric, and are slowly buying up all the new technology that will be used to support electric cars. Don't be surprised if the batteries we are using in 5 years are made by shell, exxon, and mobil.
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by ferricoxide October 25, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
Err... The car companies won't be losing ANY money on maintenance. It's the dealerships and independent garages that make money on maintenance. And, yes, they along with the Jiffy Lubes of the market would be increasingly hurt by the adoption of these technologies.

Other entities to be hurt will be the combination gas stations and mini-marts. They get the vast majority of their sales from gasoline-buyers that make "while I'm here" purchases. These places tend to cut their margins - sometimes to the point of (small) loss - so as to pull in more fuelers to make more, higher-margin "while I'm here" purchases.
by markb1967 October 23, 2009 12:09 PM PDT
It's not like there will be 200,000 electric cars on the grid overnight, it was happen gradually and it will happen in newer upscale neighborhoods that can handle the extra electric requirements easily. Wouldn't it be nice if we all had solar panels on our roofs that stored energy that then charged our cars and cooled our homes without the assistance of power companies?
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by george_liquor October 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT
Amen to that. Build a big solar array that charges a bank of batteries, and then overnight those batteries could charge your car w/ no impact to the grid & CO2 emissions.
by belfert October 23, 2009 2:37 PM PDT
It would be better to have the solar panels at parking lots instead of at home. Charging batteries during the day just to charge some other batteries at night just wastes energy.
by kylegas October 23, 2009 11:10 PM PDT
I still think that telecommuting would solve a huge portion of the issues with transportation in general. Companies still insist on making people drive to offices... technology has solved so many of the issues with distributed work, it's really just old thinking that has me staring out the window at other drivers every morning, backed up in traffic.

That said, people still need to get around, and personally, I don't think pure electric power is the answer. More efficient hybrids that charge more efficient batteries will be the way of things until there's a breakthrough in power technology.
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by ferricoxide October 25, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
Telecommuting is a double-edged sword. If you can telecommute, it means your job is MUCH more easily outsourced to people that will telecommute for less (think third-world countries).

As to range: the vehicles that are geared to get 100-200mi/charge will get you in the 1-3 hour driving range before having to drive. I know that with something like the MiniE or the Tesla S, I'd be able to drive from my house in the Washington metro region to my parents' house in PA. While there, I'd be able to recharge for my trip back home (perfect for holiday trips to be with family).
by Cobralord October 25, 2009 9:24 AM PDT
Like they mentioned in the article, infrastructure is a major problem. Our electrical grid is at capacity, and our politicians are in the thrall of enviro-luddites who'd rather us all go back to horse and buggies rather than build another power plant. If we're going to switch to an electrical economy, we need to invest in electricity production, which means building power plants (of all types), and improving infrastructure. Increasing transmission lines, burying powerlines in storm threatened areas, encouraging home production of electricity etc. We already have the technology and resources to meet our energy needs. Cutting through the bureaucratic roadblocks to using them is the real challenge.
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by Renegade Knight October 25, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
The roadblock is in construction. That most utilities are publicly regulated monopolies is a huge benefit in funding and construction once you get through the roadblock.
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