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by Candace Lombardi
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Canadian Solar has been granted rights to develop a 500-megawatt solar power plant in Baotou, Inner Mongolia, China, the company announced Wednesday.

Baotou is a manufacturing city on the Yellow River in Inner Mongolia with a population of over 2 million, according to the Chinese government's official Baotou Web site.

Canadian Solar's agreement is with the Administration Committee of Baotou National Rare-Earth Hi-Tech Industrial Development Zone, also known as its Chinese abbreviation "CPT." The signed agreement includes rights "to design, install, operate, and maintain" the solar power plant in Baotou.

"To have a solar project of such magnitude in Baotou demonstrates our determination to develop the PV end-user market in China, as well as our commitment to cleaner and more sustainable economic development in Baotou," Fu Ren, the committee's director, said in a statement released to the U.S. press.

Canadian Solar, while founded in Canada, has subsidiaries based in China that already manufacture both solar cells and solar panel systems among other things. The Baotou solar project, subject to regulatory approval, will develop in three stages.

Stage one will include the installation of 100 megawatts of photovoltaics between September 2009 and December 2011, followed by two more development phases, each including 200-megawatt installations.

While the installation is massive, this is not the first of its kind. In October 2008, the U.S. Army announced plans to build a 500-megawatt solar thermal power farm in Fort Irwin, Calif. in an effort to reduce its annual energy costs.

And the newly formed Solar Trust was also recently granted rights to to develop the construction and installation of two or three 242-megawatt solar power plants for California that would be operational by 2013 or 2014.

Baotou, a city in Inner Mongolia, China, is about 12 hours northwest of Beijing by train.

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In a software-driven world, it's easy to forget about the nuts and bolts. Whether it's cars, robots, personal gadgetry or industrial machines, Candace Lombardi examines the moving parts that keep our world rotating. A journalist who divides her time between the United States and the United Kingdom, Lombardi has written about technology for the sites of The New York Times, CNET, USA Today, MSN, ZDNet, Silicon.com, and GameSpot. E-mail her at candacelombardi@gmail.com. She is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not a current employee of CNET.
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by fgfgVCV August 26, 2009 11:24 AM PDT
It would be wonderful to see plants like this producing Hydrogen that is shipped via Hydrogen powered trucks or trains to the coast for worldwide distribtion.
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by dwinks August 26, 2009 12:51 PM PDT
Sure, except that hydrogen is pretty much completely impractical for use as fuel. It's nearly impossible to store, as the atoms are so small that no valves and gaskets can prevent leakage. Also, storing any decent amount requires either massively large tanks, or compression to liquid state, both of which are impractical for vehicles. The latter being both impractical and dangerous. It's fairly trivial to make a petrol tank that can safely withstand 70mph crashes and large amounts of deformation without exploding, not so with hydrogen tanks.

Not to mention you also incur significant losses in converting water to hydrogen, plus the fact that electrolysis of salt water is pretty much impossible due to oxidation of the anode. So you take an energy loss of 5-20% to create hydrogen from water, plus another much larger loss from the energy used to create fresh water in the first place.

Solar, wind, nuclear, hydro power being fed straight into high-efficiency batteries is the future. Scientists have already come up with a type of lithium battery that can be recharged in as fast as you can pump electricity into it, effectively, allowing for 60-120 second "refills" at a filling station. So yes, you'll still be able to take a cross-country trip on batteries, without the need to carry a giant, explosive tank of highly compressed hydrogen.

Oh, and the final nail in the hydrogen power coffin: battery powered vehicles only need 2 components, energy storage (battery) and a motor, while hydrogen vehicles need energy storage (explosive tank of death), a motor AND a highly complicated and expensive fuel cell.
by biffhenerson August 26, 2009 1:49 PM PDT
No need to store/transport hydrogen. A tank of H2O and an activator can provide hydrogen on demand. No need for an "explosive tank of death" Just add water. Reference http://www.horizonfuelcell.com
by tech_crazy August 26, 2009 1:57 PM PDT
@dwinks

You make it sound as if it is a fairy tale with batteries. Ever consider that batteries need to have mechanisms for charge regulation, thermal runaway prevention etc., have limited lives (years and charges), not as energy dense (WHr/kg) as fuels, expensive, materials for batteries need to be mined and so on and on?
by dwinks August 26, 2009 3:19 PM PDT
@biffhenerson "A tank of H2O and an activator can provide hydrogen on demand. " This in absolutely no way is applicable to a car. There are some ideas to allow cars to create their own hydrogen from water, while plugged into AC outlets, however that in no way prevents them from needing to store the hydrogen for later use. There is no current hydrogen cars that do not carry a large, explosive tank of hydrogen, and never will be (unless they actually manage to find a way to efficiently sequester hydrogen at sufficient density to be practical).

Unless someone figures out a way to actually create energy from water, you will still have to use energy to "break" the water, then store the hydrogen, then later use the hydrogen to power a fuel cell (and thus make water again).

@tech_crazy I never meant that batteries are a fairy tale, and I am well aware of their limitations. However, as it currently stands, hydrogen is absolutely unfeasible, and will likely remain so until desalination, electrolysis and storage efficiency approach something more reasonable than they are now. It's just too many steps, too many parts and too many places wasting energy. As for the batteries, the first gen ones are STILL being used, after nearly 10 years, and when they finally die, they will still be sufficient for use as energy storage at solar/wind generation plants to cover night/calm periods. Once they are no longer sufficient for that, they can be recycled and used to make new batteries.
by tech_crazy August 26, 2009 11:44 PM PDT
@dwinks.

With all due respect, rechargeable batteries simply don't last that long. The most notorious are Li-ions. I have had laptop batteries go totally bad within a couple of years. That being said, I used to make batteries myself (not Li-ion of course) and have been following up on their development. From a true, ideal source of energy storage, I have given up on batteries.

I am sure most will not believe this, but I had come up with radical energy storage ideas (a few examples would be compressed air storage batteries, molten salt "batteries", concept of serial hybrid like the Volt etc.) more than a decade ago. Too bad I didn't file patents on them or publish papers. I hope not to repeat the mistake with my newer ideas.
by gggg sssss August 26, 2009 5:42 PM PDT
Good luck getting paid fo rthis by the Chinese govt. And staying out of jail. Look at what happened to the iron ore guys when they wanted to negotiate a deal.
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by ErnieTheBear August 26, 2009 6:07 PM PDT
One big whale makes enough biodiesel to run my truck for a whole year. I'm carbon-neutral!
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by gggg sssss August 26, 2009 7:37 PM PDT
since that whale would have breathed out a ton or two of CO2 if it had lived that year, you are even ahead.
by tech_crazy August 26, 2009 11:46 PM PDT
You are both hilarious!
by owlafaye August 27, 2009 8:21 PM PDT
When we invent a simple, small, device using little energy to separate hydrogen and oxygen from water ... then we can have hydrogen powered vehicles. When Scotty beams one down from his time warp we will all celebrate. In the meantime, scratch off hydrogen vehicles for the foreseeable future. Maybe in 2309 we will be there..."Back to Intergalactic space time please Scotty"
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